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[philipma1957]

we did get over 36k on some exchanges.

my thoughts are we are repeating the sept oct nov dec 2015 pattern

if so 42k by nov 30 and 48k by dec 31.

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[hisslyness]

Let us hope $35k sticks this time and builds some solid support.

As long as you keep your coins offline!

[BobLawblaw]

As long as you keep your coins offline!

[JimboToronto]

Let us hope $35k sticks this time and builds some solid support.

As long as you keep your coins offline!

Try to keep all your transactions person-to-person, either OTC or UTC.

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[Antisthenes]

~ too many questions ~

Later.
DYOR in the meantime, and I’ll come at night to spoon-feed you.

That's pretty whimpy of you.  I am not really surprised, though. 

Historically (or in the past), several times, you have engaged in similar diverting and averting, so it is not like out of your play book to evade and avoid some shrapnel heading your way (or already head your way?)...

I’ll say it again: I do not debate with AI’s
Debating with you is pretty much pointless. On the other hand, if I can cherry pick things to my [thesis] advantage, I will.

Sure, there may well be some forum members acting as if they are real people who are interested in promoting bitcoin ideals of freedom and independence of ideas and money, but they might not be as bitcoin-aligned as they are presenting themselves... WE cannot really know, but I would imagine that there are quite a few state actors and even deep state actors here.. but at the same time, it is hard to know with any kind of certainty... so each of should try to be a bit careful in terms of aspects of our OPsec.

Before COVid we could only speculate.
After COVid we can know for sure, because these fuckers really exposed themselves and their malign intentions.
Notice how they all rhyme at the same tune at the same time?

That said, can we agree that certain tech inovations of the past decades, started off from the industrial-military complex?
The internet? GPS? The public does take some time to catch up with these inovations, probably after TPTB can control them in a more efficient manner.

[insert digital currencies]

I think “Bitcoin” was meant to be a) TPTB elite coin, b) a digital testing ground/benchmark. At least at its conception.
What the NSA fuckers did not take into account, was the anarchist soul of its leading(?) developer on this project.
He understood that the future would be grim if allowed to roll out like that, and decided to do something about it, unleashing Bitcoin to the world.
Since then, governments are trying to catch up, call it China or the US, and definitely trying to control the sentiment surrounding this inovation.
#rogue
#intelligence.fuckup
#cypherpunked

Does  not take away that there are good people here too.. and also in other places around bitcoin circles, and sometimes controversies might get some folks being accused of being deep state actors.. and still not easy to know... even if some people might meet person to person and even sometimes meet other bitcoin personalities (or forum members) at various converences, or real world meet-ups.

Regardless of what people think that I am in these here parts, I have zero malicious intentions, and I love Bitcoin for what it is: Freedom
Now, all the above is purely speculative of course, and I will be the first one to point it out, should evidence arise that it’s not so.

It is good to have some creative thinking, yet there seems to be quite a few weaknesses from that kind of a framework to believe that the government started bitcoin, but then it kind of got away from them..

If that’s not the case, then … well … fuck, Houston we have a problem!
Call me a hopeless romantic, if you must.

What about moon landing?

What about it?
#fake.as.fuck

yes governments are seeming to lie more and more and even seeming to get more desperate in some of their attempts to want to control information, which seems to be one of the reasons that there are more and more efforts to create impressions that free flow of information is not a good thing.

Happy to agree with you on this one.

Expecting this too, but will not be surprised if it does not happen yet, or if the price drops. I have experienced too much in this market, almost nothing surprises me anymore.

Well hello, absolutely love your username.

[OutOfMemory]

~ too many questions ~

Later.
DYOR in the meantime, and I’ll come at night to spoon-feed you.

You were the one asking questions, in a very unspecific way. So feel free to spoon-feed elaborate at any time.

[Pingrapole]

Let us hope $35k sticks this time and builds some solid support.

As long as you keep your coins offline!

Very well said indeed as long as you do not keep it offline it will help you move forward faster. Very nice.

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[JayJuanGee]

Just follow the steps and let us know if they pay you.

Today my account was unlocked and i can trade and withdraw, but the shitcoin I put for stake are still missing. I will update about this too.

I think that bitstamp is still a full legit exchanger, but on the internet is full of people unsatisfied or frankly scared by their very unpersonal approach ("we are working on this" is the only answer some people got after months of blocked account and after providing all requested info). Kraken seems to be a better option for European users nowadays.

Literally, an exchange is for exchange, not for storing assets.
At least, that's the way i'm using exchanges.

Kraken is a good alternative, maybe Coinwaste (pun intended), if you are able to accept the fees.
I don't know if a trustworthy exchange even exists, in the face of so much wealth in custody, i would trust none of them to keep my coins safu.
just my couple of cents...

EDIT: Look out for small balance converting capabilities when looking for exchanges to trade on. If you just buy/sell a few coins using fiat money, any exchange will do good.

I think that the earlier folks in bitcoin might well rely on exchanges to get bitcoin and to build their portfolio, and so maybe they could end up holding larger amounts of BTC on various exchanges that they use, and even if any of us continues in bitcoin, we still might have created systems in which we continue to hold a certain amount of our value in various exchanges.  Whether we are overdoing it might be another question that we may or may not realize, and even some folks have mentioned to me that if I had never held any value on exchanges and with third-parties, then I may well end up having more BTC today than I actually have in the real world scenario in which I use various exchanges, sometimes having more than 10 relations at a time, but maybe only using a few of them actively.

I personally believe that I would have likely had been a bit less aggressive with my holding of bitcoin if I were not using exchanges to attempt to ongoingly balance and manage some of the downside risk by selling on the way up and buying on the way down, but I do admit that sometimes it feels like spinning wheels, and sometimes when something does go wrong, it does end up costing quite a bit more than all of the profits that had been made.. but then once in a while there fat finger incidents that end up benefiting a person.. I had experienced several fat finger incidents, but none of them were even close to as profitable as the June 2022 Binance US incident.. and then I was put down a bit about that since I am claiming that it ONLY increased my BTC holdings by a couple or a few percentage points at most... but it still really feels BIG to have had happened all of a sudden and a preexisting system was in place (not even with the intent to capture such) that allowed for the benefiting from such a mistake.

I think that some guys are either scared out of their holdings are they end up being too whimpy in their BTC holdings and/or accumulation because they are keeping everything that they hold in some kind of a cold storage, and it also could be the case when guys are so preservative with their BTC, then they never really get comfortable in using their BTC, and sure, I don't really claim to have a lot of experiences using my BTC, but there are some cases in which I am attempting to use my BTC and interact with the world in bitcoin by having some BTC held in various kinds of hot wallet kinds of ways, which may or may not be third parties involved, but for example Blue Wallet, Phoenix and Breez.. are some ways to attempt to hold bitcoin in some kinds of self-sovereign ways while also serving as kinds of hot wallets.

Dump incoming.

Oh no what happened?

Nobody is going to sell Bitcoin before the ETF. Who in his right mind would like to be caught short when the SEC approves the ETF?
When ETF gets approved, this cross would be lifted big time.

which means?  Either you are being sarcastic with this post or did you accidentally contradict yourself?.. or maybe you are just saying that any dump is going to be a kind of fake dump.. since there assertions that dumps follow any large Microstrategy purchases, which may well be fantasies rather than any kind of reality since MSTR is just buying regularly and the BTC price has quite a bit of ups and downs, so we can frequently proclaim that there are dumps connected with their purchases, but such dumps would likely be difficult to avoid no matter what price they buy, especially in a consolidation market (which may largely be most of the 2023 descriptive), or maybe in a downwardly sloping BTC market, which would be almost the whole of 2022.

And, in regards to the likely pending ETF approval, there could be a short pump and then a dump and then a later more sustainable UPpity, but even I hate to get too caught up in a kind of expectation of what bitcoin might do, and we might suggest that some claims are that the BTC price had been so greatly suppressed throughout about May 2022 until now.. and still somewhat lingering until now (look at the 200 week moving average for a possible measure of such ongoing suppression claims) that it may well be way the fuck more healthy to get into some kind of a 40% to 80% above the 200-week moving average rather than our current BTC price levels that are currently floating 25%-ish  above  the 200-week moving average.. sure we might be in earlier stages of a bullrun anyhow, so there might not be any desires to really float around too much, but we could well try to be prepared for a variety of scenarios, including a kind of go straight up scenario, a kind of floating around at various points while having a few short-lived seeming violent (but ending up as kind of fake out) scenarios along the way.

I am not going to conceded that floating around a mere 25% above the 200-week moving average (which currently is at $28,463) is even acceptable as a balance towards what happened largely between May 2022 and even as recently as September/October in which we have been largely barely above the 200-week moving average (like less than 10%) and spending a lot of time below it.. Just does not seem normal to me.. even if it might become the "new normal" be cause there are no guarantees with bitcoin, including the 200-week moving average is not guaranteed to continue to go up, even though so far it has not failed in bitcoin's history.. including that it had gotten nearly as low as ONLY moving up around close to $10 per day.. and then now we are back up to moving up around greater than $20 per day,

..and from my own tentative thinking on the matter the amount that we are moving up per day in the 200-week moving average is a percentage and not just a number, but in terms of percentages, it is likely going to get to the point where even the $200 week moving average is moving up $100s and then $1,000s per day, which may well be difficult to grasp if some of us are considering our total cost per BTC in our holdings becomes less than the amount that the 200-week moving average is moving up every single day.. not guaranteed.. but surely seemingly a pretty strong hypothesis that the 200-week moving average is both going to continue to move up in value but will continue to increase the amount in which it moves up in value in the ways that I am saying..

even while we might not know the timeline for these progressions to play out since bitcoin is not so much a straight line like the 200-week moving average irons out to be a kind of straighter line than the actual BTC price.. it becomes a kind of stability within the unstable (the inevitably volatile, as I like to frequently proclaim).. and so many folks strive for proclaiming bitcoin as being stable, and they can go fuck off with that ideology that just does not exist in bitcoin current prices and/or the expectations of its future price performance, except perhaps when looking at something like the 200-week moving average, which sort of brings the "ought" to the "is".... and don't get me wrong.. it seems likely that bitcoin is going to become more and more stable and there won't be a choice since it is going to become harder and harder to move bitcoin's prices, but probably we are not going to get to such a state of BTC price stability until getting 5x to 10x or even higher than that of Gold's market cap (which would be bitcoin prices in the $2.5 milllion to $5 million) price arena. which could even happen in this cycle or the next cycle, but I am kind of thinking that it would take a bit longer than this or the next cycle.. but who really knows?

[BlackHatCoiner]

Why the fuck is there so much drama in this place? It's like the toxic corner of bitcointalk. We should be celebrating the $35k.

[OutOfMemory]

I had experienced several fat finger incidents, but none of them were even close to as profitable as the June 2022 Binance US incident.. and then I was put down a bit about that since I am claiming that it ONLY increased my BTC holdings by a couple or a few percentage points at most... but it still really feels BIG to have had happened all of a sudden and a preexisting system was in place (not even with the intent to capture such) that allowed for the benefiting from such a mistake.

Yeah, i can actually remember this. You likely have made more BTC by this FFI than by traditionally short-term trading various cr.... shitcoins amongst other assets, which most often are traded in parallel, for one's win to compensate the other's loss. The Binance FFI was like a present for you, but it wouldn't even have been possible if you didn't set up your sells beforehand, so it actually is the result of your work.
I only DCA and snipe some comparably cheap corn since a year or so, but i'm not unhappy with the minor adds to my stack, since i know i will sell a bit more into the next ATH, to have some spare "cash" for spending (a little of it) and re-investing into the next bear market (the most of it), so i can compensate for my sells. Remember, most of the corn is dedicated for my kids and wife, so won't be touched, but i plan to add some more BTC to the whole of it.
Honestly, i would have done this already, if the double peak of last two ATH's wouldn't have occured so early, compared to the prognosis of about $100k, where i would have started selling some corn for re-stocking later. So let's all "thank" SBF for making this impossible, and let's hope for the next ATH, which will most likely bring some energy back into the current bullrun that is slowly emerging in these now days...

Why the fuck is there so much drama in this place? It's like the toxic corner of bitcointalk. We should be celebrating the $35k.

Oh, for my part, i am celebrating it. The chopper may be in service, but will be flying soon, i guess.
And CCMF, of course  

EDIT: And this thread is like a (brilliant) soap opera. You have to build desperation before relief, tension before slowdown of the story, and add some love, hate and affairs (i heard about Cryptotourist and eXPHorizon's upcoming cybermarriage, through the grapevine...)

This thread is greater than "The daily adventures of Mixerman", another famous thread on the internet, which i highly recommend if you like satire. It even was published in a printed book.

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[JayJuanGee]

I’m feeling good at 34,500$ …  next stop 35k$ imo
Cheers

….and … Boom 35,089 on bitstamp… sweet

Cheers bitcoinland
https://www.bitstamp.net/markets/btc/usd/

I am kind of sorry (but not sorry) to point this out, but it is so funny and ironic seeing you in these kinds of elated states of positivity in regards to our lil precious... especially given how much of a twat that you were back in the day with your shitcoin pumpening and your downity and your waves and your breathing bullshit.. but maybe our lord and savior aka king daddy,  kind of snapped you out of some of those framenings.. hahahahahahaha  Loving it!!!!. .even if I might be projecting a bit in my head.

Dump incoming.

Cute green dildos within minutes of his tweet.

155 BTC in October! and that too above average price of bitcoin for MicroStrategy!!!

It’s true institutions will adopt bitcoin on large scale before individuals. Guess who will be the last?

Who?  Who? Who?

governments?

of course, a decent number of poor (and somewhat uneducated) people are going to get fucked with their lack of discretionary income and their difficulties in taking risk.. but they will still likely benefit from bitcoin being a much more fair system.. and it is more likely an indirect benefit rather than their getting into direct exposure and their getting in early. . so maybe they will get in last, even after their governments have already gotten in (on the sly).

Housing market showing some serious signs of collapsing, the Fed pausing rates, and the market cheers. This is because people are already expecting the government to have to do another round of stimulus. Feels like we’re back to 10 years ago again. Looks like people are giving the all clear sign to move back into speculative investments.

Isn't the stimulus already happening through the fake war.. or the war that is being an excuse and maybe even encouraged and/or promoted, exaggerated and/or given a lot of attention as a world-wide crises in terms of justifying the throwing of "lots of money" at it?

Let us hope $35k sticks this time and builds some solid support.

Yeah.. thanks for selling at $35k?   You surely have been helpful (recently and historically) for "us" to be able to move MOAR UPpity.. and surely no one really should be complaining about having had made some sales at $35k.. and the price may or may not end up coming back down to these levels, while at the same time, I do have a bit of a hard time believing that sub $30k will not be visited again, but surely we should be able to recognize and appreciate that sometimes further dips are not going to end up playing out and there have been many times in bitcoin's history that certain prices and/or price zones get left behind forever, but it is not easy to know when that has happened with any kind of strong confidence until maybe several years after the fact..