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I agree that in kind redemptions would be the next level. It would ease the workflow and cut one more speed bump/intermediary - I'm thinking about the daily settling business in particular. Also, it may be an additional incentive not to play games with fire (or corn), because when a customer's redemption must be liquidated, the issuers - say, Blackrock - are going to need bitcoin, not fiat.

However, I am not so convinced that much would actually change. Investors who turn to ETFs rather than the hard underlying (that's our king daddy), probably do so exactly not to be bothered with magical internet money on their balance sheet or household finances. When they eventually sell their ETFs, I'm betting fiat is what they want. If there were a choice between in kind (btc) or fiat redemption, my gut tells me an overwhelming majority would go for fiat. If not, why get the ETF rather than raw corn in the first place?

Getting in and out of the ETFs is one thing that "in kind" would help, and why they buy the ETF rather than bitcoin in the first place is another matter.

Sure there is ease in holding in the form of an ETF rather than directly owning bitcoin, and with time, some folks are going to figure out the power of self-custody... and/or the disadvantages of having third parties holding your coins.

Maybe we thought that we saw enough negative repercussions regarding third-party custody in 2022, yet sure some folks do not learn from historical happenings.

Admittedly, some persons, entities, and/or governments are not able to hold their own coins (private keys).

Calling bitcoin "digital gold" is such an undervaluation for bitcoin. I don't think people realize there will come a time, when everyone in the world will rely on bitcoin, and it will be impossible to make more of.  
Time factor + Price variation + High demand (TPH) = Impossible to make more of it.

Sometimes it looks weird seeing people undervaluing bitcoin, though it's just their knowledge and I wouldn't take it as an offense till they get to know the importance of it maybe when it's no longer possible to get more of it.

Demand has to catch up with price, and you are correct that perceived value has to catch up too.

Just because bitcoin has an addressable market and monetary capacities that cause it to be around 1,000x or more valuable than gold, that does not mean that we wake up tomorrow and BTC prices are $900 million per coin. It takes time to get from $100k per coin to $900 million per coin, just as it has taken nearly 16 years for bitcoin to get from $0 to $100k or maybe more realistically (let's not count the first 3 years) nearly 13 years for bitcoin to get from $5 to $100k per coin.

Oh no, he's back..
Alright.

Cryptotourist dies with this post - because of reasons.

It’s been brewing in my head since earlier this year, but only now getting round to it.
I will lock this account with a random password that I won’t be able to recreate.
Of course the email reset option will remain for now, but if this account ever posts again in the future, I urge anyone with two brain cells to ask for confirmation with the fingerprint on the profile AND the stacked Bitcoin address.
Moderators can also ban it for all I care. [kindly consider this post a request]

It’s been a real pleasure posting amongst you guys n girls.
Peace out.
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Good catch.  I recall that supposed sunsetting of the account, but I did not realize that the other post from a couple of days ago was from crypotourist.. I had not noticed the user name... but yeah of course, cryptotourist was a bit of a drama queen in his final days.

Calling bitcoin "digital gold" is such an undervaluation for bitcoin. I don't think people realize there will come a time, when everyone in the world will rely on bitcoin, and it will be impossible to make more of.  
Calling bitcoin digital gold is what possibly "saved" bitcoin somewhere between 2011 and 2021, but this is just my interpretation.
Maybe 'saved' it too strong a word, but certainly this interpretation cleared it up to gain the acceptance of wider audiences.

I don't buy it.

Bitcoin was not rebranded.

Bitcoin has always had both digital gold characteristics and also peer to peer payment characteristics, and it still does and likely will continue into the future.

IMO even discussing someones opsec in an open forum without first clearing it with them via pm is uncool.
I think the same way... Even if I was one of the first to bring it up I did it in a very tactful suggestive way!!!

 We all have our own plans even if some of them have changed along the way!!! (why I have this login in the first place)
I have sold what seems like penny's I really wish someone else could give me a roadmap but I got this far on my own!!!

 I do plan on selling this cycle like one of my heroes here I am not sure I can call a top or bottom like he can but holy shite if I can even come close!!! (stoopid taxes) But then what I don't think I have any notes after this....
Bad problem to have right?
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Unless you are going to die soon, there is likely no reason to sell all of your corn.  Sure  you could sell some of it.. but yeah, you are the one to choose how to proceed.

What you going to sell it for?  Fiat?

Then what?

Many times guys can sell some small fraction of their coins and still be quite well off with that particular trade or to engage in sustainable withdrawals based on price and/or time, especially if they have been accumulating BTC early.. .. Let's say that you did most of your accumulating between 2015 and 2017.. so perhaps your average cost per  coin is in the ballpark of $1k per coin.. currently you are 100x in profits but then you want to sell for 350x in profits?

You can sell small amounts at any time, so why rush selling large portions of your coin?  and then end up a low coiner or worse yet a no coiner?

Allow me to post in advance, looks like we will be back soon...

That bird... (is it a penguin?)  is going the wrong way.
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 Yeah we're pretty much headed sideways


At least you got the direction a bit MOAR better.   Yet, I have a request:  Could you slant that widdo blue bird a wee bit MOAR UPpity?  And, stop tryin to ruin'in dee moo.   Angry Angry

And by the way, your spelling sucks... I mean.. Have you ever seen a BTC  looking like that?
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Allow me to post in advance, looks like we will be back soon...

That bird... (is it a penguin?)  is going the wrong way.
~snip

 Yeah we're pretty much headed sideways


At least you got the direction a bit MOAR better.   Yet, I have a request:  Could you slant that widdo blue bird a wee bit MOAR UPpity?  And, stop tryin to ruin'in dee moo.   Angry Angry

And by the way, your spelling sucks... I mean.. Have you ever seen a BTC  looking like that?

  I did have a version pointing upward and to the right but it didn't seem realistic - we are going sideways - so I had to flatten the trajectory but it is going right which everyone knows is the right direction, right?   I'll tilt it upward Sunday evening Smiley
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 If I'm being totally honest, I've never seen a penguin riding a bitcoin with flames shooting out of it before but then I've lived a somewhat sheltered life.
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Calling bitcoin "digital gold" is such an undervaluation for bitcoin. I don't think people realize there will come a time, when everyone in the world will rely on bitcoin, and it will be impossible to make more of.  
Time factor + Price variation + High demand (TPH) = Impossible to make more of it.

Sometimes it looks weird seeing people undervaluing bitcoin, though it's just their knowledge and I wouldn't take it as an offense till they get to know the importance of it maybe when it's no longer possible to get more of it.

Demand has to catch up with price, and you are correct that perceived value has to catch up too.

Just because bitcoin has an addressable market and monetary capacities that cause it to be around 1,000x or more valuable than gold, that does not mean that we wake up tomorrow and BTC prices are $900 million per coin. It takes time to get from $100k per coin to $900 million per coin, just as it has taken nearly 16 years for bitcoin to get from $0 to $100k or maybe more realistically (let's not count the first 3 years) nearly 13 years for bitcoin to get from $5 to $100k per coin.
Yes you are very correct!
But Let's consider some factors that surrounds bitcoin currently and the reason for the exponential growth above expected, and if we say it would take time then it's not getting the attention needed and to me which I think as days passes by the more visible and known (more demand increases, more people acquires it) if it took up to nearly 13 years as you said then I would say due to the rapid interest in some institutions and such as blackrock, fidelity and couples with the just elected Us president who is now bitcoin friendly wouldn't take much time for bitcoin to double it's price on a shorter range, do I say we forget about the ETFs as well? No!
All these will sharpen the edge of bitcoin for faster rise above the 13 years past. Maybe in less 5.9 to 6.6 years Bitcoin would gain the price and the attention it never gained since everly created.

To sum it up; the past 16 years was a year of seeking for attention, now it has gained the attention required and it wouldn't take that long for incredible things things to happened. Therefore I am on the hodl lane.
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It's amazing how little you guys pay for electricity. Here, the tax alone is a lot higher, and the price before taxes too. I'm paying €0.259/kWh today.
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Chad Saylor making big moves - Expect him to announce another big Microstrategy Bitcoin purchase tomorrow.



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Sunrise, wrong side of another day,
Sky high and six thousand miles away,
Don't know how long I've been awake,
Wound up in an amazing state,
Can't get enough,
And you know it's righteous stuff,
Goes up like prices at Christmas,
Motorhead, you can call me Motorhead, alright

Brain dead, total amnesia,
Get some mental anesthesia,
Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights,
And if I can't be wrong I could be right,
All good clean fun,
Have another stick of gum,
Man, you look better already,
Motorhead, remember me now Motorhead, alright

Fourth day, five day marathon,
We're moving like a parallelogram,
Don't move, I'll shut the door and kill the lights,
I guess I'll see you all on the ice,
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And all I am is wired,
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Allow me to post in advance, looks like we will be back soon...

That bird... (is it a penguin?)  is going the wrong way.
~snip

 Yeah we're pretty much headed sideways


At least you got the direction a bit MOAR better.   Yet, I have a request:  Could you slant that widdo blue bird a wee bit MOAR UPpity?  And, stop tryin to ruin'in dee moo.   Angry Angry

And by the way, your spelling sucks... I mean.. Have you ever seen a BTC  looking like that?

  I did have a version pointing upward and to the right but it didn't seem realistic - we are going sideways - so I had to flatten the trajectory but it is going right which everyone knows is the right direction, right?   I'll tilt it upward Sunday evening Smiley
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 If I'm being totally honest, I've never seen a penguin riding a bitcoin with flames shooting out of it before but then I've lived a somewhat sheltered life.

 Ah crap.  I've been duped!
These pudgy penguin gifs are NFTs on the ETH blockchain.  That little bastard penguin is literally and figuratively riding on the back of 100K BTC - no wonder he was going the wrong direction.   I'm done manipulating pudgy penguin graphics so there will be no tilting forthcoming.  If anyone was really looking forward to the tiltening today, please accept my humble apologies.
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