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https://cryptonews.com/news/10-million-people-globally-targeted-by-fake-crypto-app-ads-check-point-warns/



"Fake crypto app ads have exposed over 10 million people to malware.
The malware uses JavaScript and advanced evasion tactics to avoid detection.
Victims risk losing passwords, Telegram data, and access to crypto wallets"

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Wow, this is hilarious dude!
Instead of these people to lose their entire Bitcoin portfolio, it's better you keep it safe so there will be no malware that with corrupt it lol.
It seems you will be a good wallet recovery service with years of experience. Life is good dude  Smiley

Funny, sure. But at some point there might actually be some old man/woman with dementia sending their seed phrase...
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Surely it’s just a short matter if time until an explosive upwards move.


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Bitcoin whales bought 1% of the total supply in the last 4 months.

Big money is stacking 🚀

https://x.com/btc_archive/status/1950942221521297835
If the whales in the market continue to increase their willingness to buy Bitcoin, then the worth of Bitcoin will continue to increase in the future. The statistics for the last four months are such that those whales have accumulated 1% of the existing supply of Bitcoin and I think they will continue to accumulate until their goal is met. The worth of Bitcoin could further provoke the possibility of $180k -$200k before the end of this year.

More source: https://decrypt.co/332924/bitcoin-whales-1-percent-circulating-btc-supply

Notice that they refer to >10 btc as a "whale".
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Bitcoin whales holding between 10 and 10,000 BTC...
The cutoff used to be 1000 btc...shows how much bitcoin has moved up in price, especially in five years since 2020.

Personally, I am not sure that 10 btc is a true whale as it is "just" 1.18 mil...maybe 100btc is a whale now...or maybe still about 250-255 btc (an equivalent to about $30mil-a minimal requirement for UHNWI).
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Damit, I could really use a little leg up right now.
 
Reason being that I am only allowed to drive my 20yr old car for another 20 days now as it failed inspection and they demand that I replace a shock absorber. Would be fine with that, but Opel isn't producing/selling these shock absorbers any more. Couldn't get one in after market either, not even 2nd hand as it seems very special (somethingsomething sports-electronic-control bla). I liked that car a lot but it is what it is.

We used to have a world in which all kinds of repairs were part of the norm, yet in recent times, more and more products have become unrepairable.. Even if you end up getting another car, there may be something that you find out at some later point.. such as an ability to repair your shock absorbers.... yet I understand too that you also need to pass inspection...

And, sure, i might be fighting with the hypothetical too much, since maybe the point is about the need to potentially sell some corn due to a new expense related to car replacement.

So I found a used Mercedes caravan that would really fit us well but I need to cash out some corn first and I have this tingling feeling in my guts that once I press the sell button price will shoot up to 140k in an instant. I have no problem shelling out a few sats for that but after stacking and hodling for about a decade I feel like a few days or weeks could really make a difference here. Money means nothing to me, though BTC does.

Talked this now over and over with the missus and we decided to just give a fuck for now - we will wait for a better price first (clearly over 130, ideally even more) - and if things go seriously south we don't care if we have to walk to the grocery store for a few weeks.

I mean who needs a friggin car, right? (oh wait, occasionally I really do)

If somebody would have told me two years ago that I will be too stingy to sell at 118k to buy a car, I would have laughed out loud at him.. Hodling really changes perspective, especially for those in FU mode. Cars come and go, but BTC that one sells never comes back..
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You seem to be on the edge of having enough bitcoin but maybe not having more than enough bitcoin in such a way that it is obvious that you have more than enough bitcoin.

Of course, no one wants to suffer a 15% to 20% or more cut to their BTC.. or what they could have had gotten from a sale of BTC, yet in some sense there is not a real BIG difference between $118k and $140k.. yet it also may depend on how many BTC that you have.

For example, if you were to be right at fuck you status (let's say 15.769 BTC for an anticipated withdrawal rate of $6,666 per month), then you have no extra BTC for the extra expenses and you might not even feel psychologically comfortable to cash out at your $6,666 per month level.  On the other hand, if you were to be more than 100% higher than your threshold fuck you status (let's say more than 32 BTC in this example), then you might not give too many shits about selling a few extra satoshis here and there in order to satisfy some of your expenses (even potentially some BIGGER item expenses from time to time)... so then there becomes a question about the quantity  of the BTC cushion that you might have that may well motivate you in regards to how concerned you are about our current $118k BTC prices versus the possibility of $140k BTC prices within a short-term in the future, that may or may not end up happening... but yeah, I am with you that the odds for $140k within a few months is decently high, perhaps even getting into the arena of 60%, and some folks might even consider such odds for $140k and higher to be even greater than 60%.

Also maybe with potentially BIG ticket items, there may be preferences to have even greater than 100% cushions to be spending from our excess bitcoin holdings before we might start to not be so worried about such extra spendings... The threshold likely differs.. .. and if you were at 3x (such as 48 BTC in the hypothetical) your fuck you status threshold  or 4x (64 BTC) or 5x (80 BTC).. at some point, you would likely become less concerned about shaving off some BTC, and the BIG ticket item would not really seem to be considered as a BIG ticket item.

Little dip to 115k last night, as soon as Powell opened his mouth. Weak hands will be weak hands. Recovery to 118k now, I’m starting to think 118k is the new 58k gang Cheesy

Surely, surely we start the next leg up soon?
121k-ish is the next point of call.... it will dwell there for a while but from September, the journey to Mars will begin.

I would not count on it.  $121k is not materially different from $118k, so $121k is hardly even worth mentioning as if it were meaningfully different. from $118k.

Another thing.  merely because we had past lingerings of the BTC price, and we are likely to get them in the future, it comes off as a bit presumptive to consider such "sideways at the top" to even be reasonable expectations, even if they might end up happening.

There have been quite a few folks that have been considering that it is more and more difficult for bitcoin to have blow off tops in the future, and so frequently blow off tops end up playing out only after decently long episodes of ongoing and more modest uppity that continues to happen and to happen and to happen, and then the next thing we know, we are in the midst of a blow off top.

This time is different.  Sure.  That is possible, yet I am still going to be careful in regards to having high convictions in regards to a belief of BTC price movements that presume periods of stability, especially within a seemingly top range (anywhere less than 10% from the top seems like the top range to this here cat.. and our current top is $123,236).

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The problem in the end is not  the copy paste stuff itself. As you say, there is sometimes interesting info in it. But it's the intension that matters quite a bit.

The c/p posts are not coming out of interest in Bitcoin or in a discussion about it. It's that sterile try & error pattern to get merits which disgusts me.
Like for example, if your wife tells you that you are a great guy, it probably (hopefully) comes from the heart.  It's something totally different when a car salesman tells you the exact same thing because he wants you to sell a car.

It's the intention and the person behind an action that defines that action and how we feel about it ...imo  
Yes, and your wife is likely trying to deliver a different product as compared with the car salesman, meaning that they each have their place and purposes and even utility in this here "real world" of ours.
I see you got my point !  Wink

Such "products" of farmers have little to no benefit to the WO...

Even if I might kind of get your point, you and I still seem to be coming to differing conclusions regarding the extent to which merit sources might be sending smerits within a discretion that comes to differing conclusions regarding the extent to which some posts/posters are "deserving" of smerits or not.. 

We also may be coming to differing conclusions about the extent to which the existence of smerit, trust and/or signature campaign policies/practices overlap in the forum and regarding the extent to which smerit senders (especially merit source members) need to engage in due diligence in regards to their smerit sending.. since there aren't forum rules that restrict merit source members in the direction of how much due diligence they might need to perform or even how they should consider the merit worthiness of a post in regards to substantive value or some other objective and/or subjective bases for sending smerits to some posts versus not sending to other post - so long as the merit source members are not engaging in quid pro quo kinds of behaviors or otherwise breaking some obvious forum rules in the way that they are sending smerits or maybe engaging in some kinds of bad faith behaviors that might not exactly be written in the forum rules.

Surely individuals, even merit source members, have rights and abilities to send smerits for any reason or no reason at all, so long as such reason(s) is (are) not a kind of financial benefit reason, so it may well be out of place for other forum members to be harassing and attempting to impose smerit sending standards upon such source members through social pressures or whatever, including trying to impose smerit sending standards that do not exist in reality on the forum.

In that regard, I am going to continue to not concede any on the seemingly ongoing micromanaging attempts and judgement substitution attempts, especially when they fail/refuse to take into account a variety of other factors that any merit source member (including yours truly) might be dealing with including various personal constraints (such as time, energy, intellect, etc etc) and/or personal circumstances (what is happening in a person's life at any particular moment) that do not even need to be justified to the extent to which the source (in this case yours truly) doesn't end up falling within such merit selling practices or even the impression of engaging in merit selling practices...or some other breach of forum rules (written or unwritten) that may well be needed to be reported to the administrator if there were such allegation and/or knowledge of forum rule breaches taking place. 

Yet, we likely already know you, nutildah and other merit whiners have no evidence (and/or reasonable argumentation for logic and/or reasonable conclusions) of any such forum rule breaches taking place, and merely attempts to try to socially manipulate and to impose smerit sending standards that don't exist, even if I might (were to) agree to certain smerit standards to be potentially applicable at some given point in time or in regards to some specific kind of a post, I am not agreeing to needing to make any changes to any of my smerit sending practices, or my level of due diligence (or lack of due diligence) or that I have any needs to feel regrets about any of my past smerit sending practices, even if from time to time and on some various case by case bases, I might have had ended up sending some smerits to some undeserving posts and/or to some undeserving members.. yet I have no need to defend any specific smerits that I sent or did not send in the past or any smerits that I may have considered sending or considered not sending. or even to admit that there might have had been some situations that I could have had done more due diligence in regards to a specific post or in regards to a specific forum member prior to sending them an smerit or considering to send them an smerit.
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You can try Absolute Ethanol (200 Proof) when we get there:

I remember doing a shot of Everclear in college... one was enough to know never again. Because its college, first you light the shot on fire, then cover the top, and the shot glass suctions to your palm, then you drink it. Then your stomach burns for half an hour... fun times!

I drank 1/4 to a 1/2 a bottle in the early 90's before I puked all over the place!

good times. Smiley
Hahaha trust me dude, the 21st century boys wouldn't understand your fantasies then.
 Things are now different now, what we used to drink and play with them has now become practical scenes.
Our livers were young then and choices were questionable Smiley


I can drink just not much more than a shot. Followed by a lot of  cold  unflavored seltzer.

Back in the day well that was different.

I will shoot some photos of what has passed and what is to come.

Still waiting for a delivery of the 140 and the 160 proof products.
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https://cryptonews.com/news/10-million-people-globally-targeted-by-fake-crypto-app-ads-check-point-warns/



"Fake crypto app ads have exposed over 10 million people to malware.
The malware uses JavaScript and advanced evasion tactics to avoid detection.
Victims risk losing passwords, Telegram data, and access to crypto wallets"

Victims can send me their seed and I will protect their funds:

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Wow, this is hilarious dude!
Instead of these people to lose their entire Bitcoin portfolio, it's better you keep it safe so there will be no malware that with corrupt it lol.
It seems you will be a good wallet recovery service with years of experience. Life is good dude  Smiley

Funny, sure. But at some point there might actually be some old man/woman with dementia sending their seed phrase...

It's a made up email. If it really exists and somebody sends their seed to it, the universe wanted it that way
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Notice that they refer to >10 btc as a "whale".
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Bitcoin whales holding between 10 and 10,000 BTC...
The cutoff used to be 1000 btc...shows how much bitcoin has moved up in price, especially in five years since 2020.

Personally, I am not sure that 10 btc is a true whale as it is "just" 1.18 mil...maybe 100btc is a whale now...or maybe still about 250-255 btc (an equivalent to about $30mil-a minimal requirement for UHNWI).

It is quite amazing how much wealth seems to go up when a person is accumulating and/or erroring on the side of holding bitcoin, and surely you are correct that 10BTC just does not have any kind of a whale connotation, even if on a personal level guys with between 10 BTC and 30 BTC are likely getting into reasonable levels of BTC accumulation that would be approaching or surpassing their entry-level fuck you status, and even with bitcoin, it seems that if guys have something like 10 BTC right now, then in 2-3 years, the dollar value of that quantity of BTC is likely to be double, especially if we might be considering valuating the BTC more conservative like the 200-WMA as a means to valuate our bitcoin holdings.  Spot price can be all over the place, so we might not have as much confidence where the spot price might be in short term, such as 2-3 years from now.

On a definitional level, I am not really sure what is the difference between a whale and filthy-rich status.  

I have tentatively put filthy-rich status as having $100 million or more of wealth, but yeah, perhaps a whale could still fit within whale status with quite a bit less than filthy rich status levels of wealth in order to still be considered a whale.. something like you mentioned with a $30 million net worth level could be enough, yet maybe even $20 million to $30 million might be considered as a starting range for whale status.  

I did look up and got an AI generated answer that said that only around 0.003% of the world's population have $30 million or more of wealth, yet it still seems to me that even guys who are getting into the $20 million or more (especially if they are holding BTC) may well be getting into what might be deemed whale status, and I am thinking that just over 2 years, even the guys with $20 million in wealth in bitcoin (in accordance with the 200-WMA) will likely have right around $40 million in wealth in just over 2 years time.. let's say within about 30 months or so.

By the way, right now, to have a $20 million bitcoin valuation at the 200-WMA levels, 395 BTC would be necessary... yet coincidentally, right now, 395 BTC has a spot value of more than $46 million.

Of course, if we were judging bitcoin valuation based on current spot price, then ONLY 170 Bitcoin would be required to be at a $20 million valuation, yet I hardly have confidence to proclaim the spot price value of the 170 BTC doubling in 2 years to 2.5 years, unless we were to measure it in it 200-WMA valuation, which would be just over $8.6 million right now for 170 BTC.. and so we likely could have pretty decent confidence that the 200-WMA valuation of 170 BTC would be $20 million or more within 2.5 to 3 years (since that would be 2.33x appreciation in its 200-WMA valuation).

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Sitting at belief about to pump into thrill that will translate ~$150,000.

Euphoria FOMO pump in autumn above $200,000.



feels like early to mid 'optimism' to me, still (the blue part).

This bull seems to be very hesitant.
We keep zigzagging back and forth all the time.


actually not surprising .... the real bull has always started after summer...
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https://cryptonews.com/news/10-million-people-globally-targeted-by-fake-crypto-app-ads-check-point-warns/



"Fake crypto app ads have exposed over 10 million people to malware.
The malware uses JavaScript and advanced evasion tactics to avoid detection.
Victims risk losing passwords, Telegram data, and access to crypto wallets"

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Lucky for me I don't have any seed phrases.  I guess my cold storage predates the practice.  I'll stick with good old fashioned private keys and maintain that it is a good idea to probably never give them to anyone.  Until I see a reason to make a change, things will stay as they are. 

I'm sure so many people's seed phrases have been compromised by taking photos of them and storing them in their camera roll in their phone.  Someday someone is going to go through all the photos their app has access to and do some serious wallet draining...  Just a random thought.
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Damit, I could really use a little leg up right now.
 
Reason being that I am only allowed to drive my 20yr old car for another 20 days now as it failed inspection and they demand that I replace a shock absorber. Would be fine with that, but Opel isn't producing/selling these shock absorbers any more. Couldn't get one in after market either, not even 2nd hand as it seems very special (somethingsomething sports-electronic-control bla). I liked that car a lot but it is what it is.

We used to have a world in which all kinds of repairs were part of the norm, yet in recent times, more and more products have become unrepairable.. Even if you end up getting another car, there may be something that you find out at some later point.. such as an ability to repair your shock absorbers.... yet I understand too that you also need to pass inspection...

And, sure, i might be fighting with the hypothetical too much, since maybe the point is about the need to potentially sell some corn due to a new expense related to car replacement.

So I found a used Mercedes caravan that would really fit us well but I need to cash out some corn first and I have this tingling feeling in my guts that once I press the sell button price will shoot up to 140k in an instant. I have no problem shelling out a few sats for that but after stacking and hodling for about a decade I feel like a few days or weeks could really make a difference here. Money means nothing to me, though BTC does.

Talked this now over and over with the missus and we decided to just give a fuck for now - we will wait for a better price first (clearly over 130, ideally even more) - and if things go seriously south we don't care if we have to walk to the grocery store for a few weeks.

I mean who needs a friggin car, right? (oh wait, occasionally I really do)

If somebody would have told me two years ago that I will be too stingy to sell at 118k to buy a car, I would have laughed out loud at him.. Hodling really changes perspective, especially for those in FU mode. Cars come and go, but BTC that one sells never comes back..
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You seem to be on the edge of having enough bitcoin but maybe not having more than enough bitcoin in such a way that it is obvious that you have more than enough bitcoin.

Of course, no one wants to suffer a 15% to 20% or more cut to their BTC.. or what they could have had gotten from a sale of BTC, yet in some sense there is not a real BIG difference between $118k and $140k.. yet it also may depend on how many BTC that you have.

For example, if you were to be right at fuck you status (let's say 15.769 BTC for an anticipated withdrawal rate of $6,666 per month), then you have no extra BTC for the extra expenses and you might not even feel psychologically comfortable to cash out at your $6,666 per month level.  On the other hand, if you were to be more than 100% higher than your threshold fuck you status (let's say more than 32 BTC in this example), then you might not give too many shits about selling a few extra satoshis here and there in order to satisfy some of your expenses (even potentially some BIGGER item expenses from time to time)... so then there becomes a question about the quantity  of the BTC cushion that you might have that may well motivate you in regards to how concerned you are about our current $118k BTC prices versus the possibility of $140k BTC prices within a short-term in the future, that may or may not end up happening... but yeah, I am with you that the odds for $140k within a few months is decently high, perhaps even getting into the arena of 60%, and some folks might even consider such odds for $140k and higher to be even greater than 60%.

Also maybe with potentially BIG ticket items, there may be preferences to have even greater than 100% cushions to be spending from our excess bitcoin holdings before we might start to not be so worried about such extra spendings... The threshold likely differs.. .. and if you were at 3x (such as 48 BTC in the hypothetical) your fuck you status threshold  or 4x (64 BTC) or 5x (80 BTC).. at some point, you would likely become less concerned about shaving off some BTC, and the BIG ticket item would not really seem to be considered as a BIG ticket item.


Thanks for your consideration and advice regarding FU numbers.

The problem is not actually replacing that thing with a "dumb" replacement for like $50 from the same model without the special sport version of shock absorber electronic adjustment for the "sportfahrwerk" of that (whatever that may be called in english - and ofc I didn't know I have "sportfahrwerk" until I needed the shock absorber  Cheesy), the thing is there would be a orange shock absorber led warning lamp in the dashboard showing error and the inspection would fail.

Our society claims to be sooo sustainable and green but a car today has a maximum lifespan of 10-15yrs. While looking for the shock absorbers everywhere I even heard things like "Oh, 20yrs is not bad, we have cars that are not anymore maintainable after 6-7 yrs".
But that must be me and you only who think repairing stuff and using it for another 10yrs is sustainable.. Though admittedly buying new is better for the economy.

The amount to spend and the worry of mine are purely emotional, technical the amount doesn't matter so much at 118, you are right. But something in me wants to squeeze out more car for less corn  Grin
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A lucid analysys IMHO, without the spicy talk that someone else has addicted me to.
Here are just a few snippets from an informed, valuable news article.

Weak Bitcoin Treasury Companies Will Be Crushed By Bear Market, Insider Warns

Bitcoin is homogeneous collateral, but public equities are not. Liquidity, index inclusion, and the absolute size of a balance sheet produce a “winner-take-most dynamic”

perpetual preferred equity—dividends but “no debt maturity ever”—(is) a structure that removes the most dangerous cliff

The times are good now… there will be a cycle. That’s what will separate the men from the boys
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is buddy looking to serve us week end dip?
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Of note:

MSTR announced that they will not use common stock to directly buy BTC as long as mNAV is less than 2.5X (currently 1.53X)...no more share dilution for a while.
Instead, they issued ATM using preferreds: Q2-$683.6 mil
STRK ATM has 20.5bil remaining, STRF ATM has 1.9 bil remaining, STRD has 4.2 bil ATM remaining.

STRC just IPOed-another $2.5 bil (5X oversubscribed, which means potential ATM sales would be sought after).

STRC will pay 10% (as of today) dividend of 0.8/share on Aug 31 to shareholders as of Aug 15  Wink
Beats money market at 4%, so I got some exchanged (at 94).

https://www.strategy.com/press/strategy-announces-second-quarter-2025-financial-results_07-31-2025

EDIT: OT-why you can only earn pennies on WS IPO casino: FIG IPOed at $32 (already being richly valued at $11-12 bil), but opened for trading at $93 and trades now at $146...CRCL all over again.
EDIT2: hot on the heels of it's oversubscribed $2.5 bil STRC IPO, Saylor just announced a $4.2 bil STRC ATM.
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1050446/000119312525170517/d826419d424b5.htm
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