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[wachtwoord]

Probably everyone here is well aware of this but the new 100000 byte limit of OP_RETURN seems silly with the entire pubscriptkey (of which it is a subpart) has a  10000 (ten times smaller) limit.

Of course this still implies an increase from 80 bytes to 10000 bytes (or 9995 bytes to be exact) but that's still a lot less than 100000.

[d_eddie]

There is no disputing this in any way or form, there is nothing subjective about it.

Here we go. Dogmaboy.

Filterboys are repeating the same thing that Roger Ver did. They think the same way that he did. He thought he knew better than the people who live and breathe protocols while he can't even write 1 line of code using AI.  

If there's anyone here who sounds like Roger Ver, it's not cAPSLOCK or OOM. More accurately, you sound like a cross between Ver and Faketoshi, without the latter's ignorance.

[Satofan44]

There is no disputing this in any way or form, there is nothing subjective about it.

Here we go. Dogmaboy.

Filterboys are repeating the same thing that Roger Ver did. They think the same way that he did. He thought he knew better than the people who live and breathe protocols while he can't even write 1 line of code using AI.  

If there's anyone here who sounds like Roger Ver, it's not cAPSLOCK or OOM. More accurately, you sound like a cross between Ver and Faketoshi, without the latter's ignorance.

Another dishonest retard. Include where that part is from rather than quoting out of context.

Should the quantum physicists ask your grandma for advice in regards to the development of quantum computers?

You are repeating the same thing that Roger Ver did. You are talking about things that you don't understand and you want engineers to consult you on it. Meanwhile your biggest life achievement is writing a college essay about gender. Surely you'd fly around in a plane that is engineered by the local village clown, hypocrite.  

Probably everyone here is well aware of this but the new 100000 byte limit of OP_RETURN seems silly with the entire pubscriptkey (of which it is a subpart) has a  10000 (ten times smaller) limit.

Of course this still implies an increase from 80 bytes to 10000 bytes (or 9995 bytes to be exact) but that's still a lot less than 100000.

That one will also be lifted later, don't worry about it. Just give it some more time. However, being a consensus limit it will be harder but it will happen eventually I assume. For the normies here that are clueless about Bitcoin, the line he is referring to is here. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script/script.h#L40C1-L41C1

[d_eddie]

There is no disputing this in any way or form, there is nothing subjective about it.

Here we go. Dogmaboy.

Filterboys are repeating the same thing that Roger Ver did. They think the same way that he did. He thought he knew better than the people who live and breathe protocols while he can't even write 1 line of code using AI.  

If there's anyone here who sounds like Roger Ver, it's not cAPSLOCK or OOM. More accurately, you sound like a cross between Ver and Faketoshi, without the latter's ignorance.

Another dishonest retard. Include where that part is from rather than quoting out of context.

The name calling requires little context, does it?

Should the quantum physicists ask your grandma for advice in regards to the development of quantum computers?

Of course not, but they should ask her about forcing a little quantum computer in the washing machine she uses, if there's a doubt it could send some of her laundry in a Schroedinger state where it could vanish, after she already bought the washing machine without any quantum hardware.

Now, the physicists involved in the debate have mixed opinions about that, because the theory's not laid out yet, and there have been no experiments yet. Then some of the physicists start arguing by calling each other names: Here's the cat in a box again! I smell cat shit, but the cat is gone ahaha! You're a Podolsky fanboi! Back to Bohr, is that where we are? Go back to your Newton worship! ... and so on.

[Satofan44]

The name calling requires little context, does it?

There is no need to actively remove context in any case. Filterboys is a great name. I have already explained that this problem is not solvable, and as you see mr. luke-jr wants to set up a committee to review transactions for CSAM content. Do you want to join him? When that turns out that it doesn't work (which it doesn't), then the next step is mandatory KYC before being able to send any transactions. Just let us do this one more thing, that will stop all the spam and CSAM!   Where is that political expert dressed in an independent-thinker clown costume, why did he fail to recognize this tactic? 

Of course not, but they should ask her about forcing a little quantum computer in the washing machine she uses, if there's a doubt it could send some of her laundry in a Schroedinger state where it could vanish, after she already bought the washing machine without any quantum hardware.

Without internet and social media grandma wouldn't be any wiser, and she would be better off for it. Now you are just making grandma worried and sad over nothing, no wonder she falls for misinformation so easily.

Now, the physicists involved in the debate have mixed opinions about that, because the theory's not laid out yet, and there have been no experiments yet. Then some of the physicists start arguing by calling each other names: Here's the cat in a box again! I smell cat shit, but the cat is gone ahaha! You're a Podolsky fanboi! Back to Bohr, is that where we are? Go back to your Newton worship! ... and so on.

At least they have solid knowledge about their field, that makes it more entertaining.   What we have with the OP_RETURN thing is just stupid. Not even 1% of the people commenting on it have even cared about of OP_RETURN before, they barely heard of it occasionally in passing. Most certainly not WO people, otherwise they would not be spreading basic misinformation.  

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[philipma1957]

ahh the smell of wo in the morning.

I need some coffee to read the fights.

Satofan44 has freshened up the thread a bit.

hey guys speaking of dogma anyone a fan of triumph the insult comic dog ?


and back to wo topic 113 k is hopefull maybe we go up some more before the 29th

[AlcoHoDL]

A sunny Sunday.
Perfect for my daily walk.
But not before this.

Bitcoiners are fine.
Even when they lose, they win.
Just ask LFC!

Bitcoin is crypto,
But calling Bitcoin crypto,
Means you are clueless!

WTF dude? Eww!
That's mouse necrophilia.
Fuck-You status reached!

The mouse may be dead,
But the cat is still alive,
And ready to bounce!

OP_RETURN drama.
Fear not, my young Padawans.
It will self-correct!

Drone roller coaster.
Boom, gloom, back to boom again.
You can bet on it!

#7wodigestsundayhaikus

[Satofan44]

ahh the smell of wo in the morning.

I need some coffee to read the fights.

Satofan44 has freshened up the thread a bit.

It's better to fight than to be surrounded with that lame and depressive energy that I found on the few pages before the OP_RETURN posts. Oh no, Bitcoin is down a little bit from the ATH it is time to panic and consider a complete recession.

[philipma1957]

R.I.P. June Lockhart.

I GREW up watching her on Lassie and Lost in Space.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Lockhart

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[wachtwoord]

Probably everyone here is well aware of this but the new 100000 byte limit of OP_RETURN seems silly with the entire pubscriptkey (of which it is a subpart) has a  10000 (ten times smaller) limit.

Of course this still implies an increase from 80 bytes to 10000 bytes (or 9995 bytes to be exact) but that's still a lot less than 100000.

That one will also be lifted later, don't worry about it. Just give it some more time. However, being a consensus limit it will be harder but it will happen eventually I assume. For the normies here that are clueless about Bitcoin, the line he is referring to is here. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script/script.h#L40C1-L41C1

That would be horrible. Nearly as horrible as the blockdize increase (both the explicit one narrowly avoided in the blockdize wars and the implicit one that unfortunately was Trojan horsed in with the segwit implementation).

[Satofan44]

Probably everyone here is well aware of this but the new 100000 byte limit of OP_RETURN seems silly with the entire pubscriptkey (of which it is a subpart) has a  10000 (ten times smaller) limit.

Of course this still implies an increase from 80 bytes to 10000 bytes (or 9995 bytes to be exact) but that's still a lot less than 100000.

That one will also be lifted later, don't worry about it. Just give it some more time. However, being a consensus limit it will be harder but it will happen eventually I assume. For the normies here that are clueless about Bitcoin, the line he is referring to is here. https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/src/script/script.h#L40C1-L41C1

That would be horrible. Nearly as horrible as the blockdize increase (both the explicit one narrowly avoided in the blockdize wars and the implicit one that unfortunately was Trojan horsed in with the segwit implementation).

It is because of the users and their cultist behavior, many in this thread at at fault too. They blame developers for things that they do and things they don't do all the time. When limits are lifted, there is nobody to blame and nobody to sue. It is a natural consequence and progression. Of course some limits will take time to increase depending on engineering factors, we can't just remove all limits arbitrarily. I'm primarily talking about standardness limits, but some consensus ones may be increased with time too. Why wouldn't they?

To make things even nicer, there is nothing you can do to stop this. If you don't like it, you can join luke-jr's CSAM review committee on his new altcoin. Just don't act surprised if someone adds you to some watch list if you support such a thing.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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[Charcol]

R.I.P. June Lockhart.

I GREW up watching her on Lassie and Lost in Space.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_Lockhart

Really sad..

I read that June Kathleen acted on television and in stage and film in the 1950s and 1960s. Maybe it was during that time that your favorite series Lassie first aired, probably around 1954. If you have watched the series since then, then you have certainly gone through a long and memorable chapter in your life. But the selfless acting of the past still evokes a different kind of nostalgia in today's era. Especially interesting to me.

[cAPSLOCK]

The positions are mostly extremely opposite. Those that argue against it are saying that something really bad will happen, whether from the legal side or from spam. Those that argue in favor of it are saying nothing has changed and nothing will change. A subtle increase in spam would be "nothing happening". A major non-frivolous lawsuit or attempt to go after Bitcoin for this kind of data would be something big happening, or perhaps some unforeseen issues technical issues from a lot of OP_RETURN (doubtful).

Having been a betting man from time to time in my life, (in fact, placing bets is how I earned the majority of the Bitcoin I hold.) I can tell you that if you guys really mean for this to be a meaningful bet, you have to set very clear parameters for what is a win and what is a loss.

Proposition bets without parameters end up in the arguments about, well, that's not what I meant, or that's not what I think it was, or you didn't this or that, whatever.

Examples of clear parameters for such bets could be the price will be x.  Or you could set a number of kilobytes of pornography that are loaded into the new "opera-turns" and once it crosses a threshold the bet is satisfied. Similarly, if it does not cross that threshold by a particular date, the bet is satisfied.

Again, to you, just saying "nothing bad will happen before next January," for example, won't lead to any conclusion.

It can be anything you want, but the devil is in the details for proposition bets. If you don't know what you're betting on, then I don't know how you resolve the bet, really.

_________

On an unrelated topic, I plan for my next installment of my series to be a list of people on each side who have made the most reasonable and calm and powerful arguments for the positions that they've taken.. Adam Back and Samson Mow, for example, are good examples.  Interestingly, these two old friends have ended up on opposite ends of this argument, but have made well reasoned points for their side both have been interviewed and have written a lot on Twitter and elsewhere.

There are many others who I believe take good positions on either side of this issue without demeaning or dehumanizing their opposition. 

This is what I planned to highlight.

[BitHodlers]

Price is not going up, can the devs do something?

#notahaiku

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[philipma1957]

The positions are mostly extremely opposite. Those that argue against it are saying that something really bad will happen, whether from the legal side or from spam. Those that argue in favor of it are saying nothing has changed and nothing will change. A subtle increase in spam would be "nothing happening". A major non-frivolous lawsuit or attempt to go after Bitcoin for this kind of data would be something big happening, or perhaps some unforeseen issues technical issues from a lot of OP_RETURN (doubtful).

Having been a betting man from time to time in my life, (in fact, placing bets is how I earned the majority of the Bitcoin I hold.) I can tell you that if you guys really mean for this to be a meaningful bet, you have to set very clear parameters for what is a win and what is a loss.

Proposition bets without parameters end up in the arguments about, well, that's not what I meant, or that's not what I think it was, or you didn't this or that, whatever.

Examples of clear parameters for such bets could be the price will be x.  Or you could set a number of kilobytes of pornography that are loaded into the new "opera-turns" and once it crosses a threshold the bet is satisfied. Similarly, if it does not cross that threshold by a particular date, the bet is satisfied.

Again, to you, just saying "nothing bad will happen before next January," for example, won't lead to any conclusion.

It can be anything you want, but the devil is in the details for proposition bets. If you don't know what you're betting on, then I don't know how you resolve the bet, really.

_________

On an unrelated topic, I plan for my next installment of my series to be a list of people on each side who have made the most reasonable and calm and powerful arguments for the positions that they've taken.. Adam Back and Samson Mow, for example, are good examples.  Interestingly, these two old friends have ended up on opposite ends of this argument, but have made well reasoned points for their side both have been interviewed and have written a lot on Twitter and elsewhere.

There are many others who I believe take good positions on either side of this issue without demeaning or dehumanizing their opposition.  

This is what I planned to highlight.

I do not bet BTC is a big enough risk take for me.

I actually think that what was done won't do much bad at all, but since a 2 trillion dollar working system is at stake they rushed to make that size go from 80kb to 100,000kb

I realize that anyone with real skin in the game say 50 coins or more may not want the change.

I have under 200k into crypto most of which is BTC

maybe 165k in btc and 15k in other shitcoins. plus some gear.

so my risk factor for this is okay.

But I know a lot of people that have a decent amount of coins that are more concerned.

So I was in favor of say 80,160,320,640,1280,2560,5120,10240,20480,40960,81920

and a viable argument was offered that it means a lot of extra coding to do that.

I then mentioned a compromise of 80,800,8000,80000 and that surely 2 trillion in current value is worth more work for safety's sake.

second method would be 3 writes one to 800 two to 8000 three to 80,000

while first method is 10 writes

what was done was 1 write .

I am willing to wait and see if this 1 upgrade makes a solid mess. or not.

BTW a dump/bear may not be enough to claim it was wrong as bears have shown up without code wrecks.

[cAPSLOCK]

Price is not going up, can the devs do something?

#notahaiku

Please 🙏 can we stop encouraging the devs to "do something"?

😁