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[edited out]    .......Hey to those looking to shoot them selves in the head (after reading this) I have a nice 100 year old shot gun you can borrow.  those who know this  know.
i would like to take a look at that shotgun.

It is not that bad hypebrother.  Just figure out your position size and whether you need to change what you have already accumulated or what you plan to accumulate.

Each of us has to figure out the extent to which any of the latest internal drama affects our assessment of the strength of bitcoin's investment thesis.

As you likely realize I have frequently considered that when it comes to bitcoin, the question tends to be how much? rather than whether?  And, even with recent current drama, I don't see any need to change the question.  Of course, from my perspective, if your investment timeline in regards to bitcoin is shorter than 4 years then you would likely be a trader rather than an investor.

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Looking at the bitcoins price growth over the years and I think there is notably occurrences after four years, institions investment in Bitcoin has also brought stability in the Bitcoin market thereby increasing the market confidence and giving you no fear to invest for a longer term. When volatility decreases due to market maturity, it is a direct pointer to the market sustainability which indicates security and guarantee for a long term investment. As an investor do not neglect the importance of patience in cryptocurrency investment . Let's dive into the quarterly  prices of Bitcoin from 2009 till 2025.


In 2009 Bitcoin was at the rate of $0.00099 per coin within 2010 it grew to $0.39 per coin, and then in 2011 it grew tremendously from $0.39 per coin to $29.6 which was estimated to be about 10,000% increase within the same year it fell back to $5 per coin, in 2012 it grew again another 152% increase which amounted to about $13 per coin, in 2013 it got to about $1000. From my findings and statistics I just know and believe that Bitcoin is worth a long term investment and if you are not ready to hold then you should probably be trading.

You can readup more updates on this using this link below
https://www.bankrate.com/investing/bitcoin-price-history/
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As an aside...the problem with knotts is..."once" you make it known that 'illegal' stuff on the blockchain has something to do with what bitcoin code is doing

it is exactly like saying that the internet can get sued by content...a slippery slope....best in whatever scenario wins this is NOT brought up at all....but too

late I guess will be used to 'control' btc blockchain content as a plan by politician's and others from this point on

remember I know zip..just saying the 'premise' is flawed......you don't shut off the river because trash is dumped into it...

(don't beat me up here too badly...I'm old, bored and likely clueless) anyway what first pop'd into my head on all this angst going on

 But don't you think prevention is better than cure?

 Isn't it better to prevent the river from getting dirty?

 But there is also a way to depollute the river.
 
  It all depends on what is intended to be done and
 if there is the will to do what needs to be done.

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With the way Bitcoin’s been moving lately, it really feels unstoppable.

The momentum, the demand, and even the sentiment are all lined up.

It’s only a matter of time before we see a new all-time high again.

you ready for that?  Smiley
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As an aside...the problem with knotts is..."once" you make it known that 'illegal' stuff on the blockchain has something to do with what bitcoin code is doing

it is exactly like saying that the internet can get sued by content...a slippery slope....best in whatever scenario wins this is NOT brought up at all....but too

late I guess will be used to 'control' btc blockchain content as a plan by politician's and others from this point on

remember I know zip..just saying the 'premise' is flawed......you don't shut off the river because trash is dumped into it...

(don't beat me up here too badly...I'm old, bored and likely clueless) anyway what first pop'd into my head on all this angst going on

Ahh your thinking of a manufactured crisis false flag operation.

The most famous of which was.

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The Reichstag Fire (1933)

    What happened: The German parliament building (Reichstag) was set on fire.

    The reaction: The Nazi government blamed communists, stoking public fear of a communist uprising.

    The solution: Adolf Hitler persuaded President Hindenburg to pass the Reichstag Fire Decree, suspending civil liberties and enabling mass arrests of political opponents.

    Outcome: This paved the way for the Enabling Act, which gave Hitler dictatorial powers and dismantled democratic institutions

Of course that is an extreme example but all throughout history those in positions of power use false flags all the time to push agendas of control.

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Of course that is an extreme example but all throughout history those in positions of power use false flags all the time to push agendas of control.


Your example is not extreme, and there are still more things to happen that are not being discussed.
  Maybe they've even taken control, and they're just waiting for the right time to announce it.
  that would be an exaggerated example.
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With the way Bitcoin’s been moving lately, it really feels unstoppable.

The momentum, the demand, and even the sentiment are all lined up.

It’s only a matter of time before we see a new all-time high again.

you ready for that?  Smiley
Expecting growth will not always be reasonable. There is also a need for price correction to reduce the average price of investors.

Another ATH is being lined up.

Aggressive gold market conditions are deteriorating.

Investors will be more motivated to buy digital gold (Bitcoin).
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As an aside...the problem with knotts is..."once" you make it known that 'illegal' stuff on the blockchain has something to do with what bitcoin code is doing

it is exactly like saying that the internet can get sued by content...a slippery slope....best in whatever scenario wins this is NOT brought up at all....but too

late I guess will be used to 'control' btc blockchain content as a plan by politician's and others from this point on

remember I know zip..just saying the 'premise' is flawed......you don't shut off the river because trash is dumped into it...

(don't beat me up here too badly...I'm old, bored and likely clueless) anyway what first pop'd into my head on all this angst going on

 But don't you think prevention is better than cure?

 Isn't it better to prevent the river from getting dirty?

 But there is also a way to depollute the river.
 
  It all depends on what is intended to be done and
 if there is the will to do what needs to be done.

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but now...unlike the internet (which faced this choice) you as a community are responsible for the blockchain (ie river) and bad actors.....it should not be

done in that context or 'suddenly' if we can control the blockchain in such a world it would be like suddenly the internet having to vet all content

it would be 'un-doable'...thus the question should never get raised in this manner

should be 'clutter' as a security issue..not framed as a 'decision' even by 'consensus' can be used against us in the future

ask any lawyer about this tricky path of 'good intentions' and how suddenly it is 'responsibility' with consequences if unable to regulate...

just saying...they tried this tactic with going after ISP's...best to ignore the whole concept...ie...the river is important for commerce...trash

by bad actors does not effect the river

anyway, I know squat..just my view back when they 'tried' to regulate ISP's and the Internet using same arguments




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The thing with bitcoin is.."you never know what you are going to get"..in a short term.

Was the little pump to 115-116K late Sunday in preparation for a subsequent rug-pullio on a "bad China news" later in the week?
Or, in reverse, maybe a dip from 116K to 113.9K is in preparation for a Fed-induced pump on Tue-Wed?

Regarding the endless debacle about technicalities: I like the @Searing comparison with a river.
It is good when it is clean, but a bit of the sediment never hurt Mississippi and, in fact, helped craw-fisherman from what I hear.

Regarding the actual size of the allowed files, I am not sure what is the best policy...perhaps market will decide, eventually.

Legally, we should strive for bitcoin to be declared (or established) not to be liable for whatever content "they" put in there with all fees paid to mine the block.
Personally, I think that there is too much fuss about this issue, but I digress.
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Massive Bitcoin orange pill spotted in Lugano, Switzerland

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You don't have an opinion either in regards to such a seemingly straight-forward topic?

I just tried to share this to understand that Bitcoin is now a much more visible and popular part of modern culture around the world. I should have given my opinion here. I personally think that this event  in Lugano of putting it on has shown a kind of social acceptance. Everyone in the community has shown such acceptance towards Bitcoin that Bitcoin is not just limited to financial assets but has become a modern identity, emotion and trust.
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  All the Establishment's control wants, is,  Distractions, Illusions, Consume,
Unknowledge, people forgot  about ...

 and all they want is found an way to criminalize btc formly, and this is an way of much others ways...  some is not wrong on your thouchs, if on nowdays they do this on web, deep web, seeking for 'net-criminals'  every they, btw, are  work for this, every single day, ....

 But I also know that the concern of many who are concerned is not only the possibility of inserting so-called criminal images, but also in this way the insertion of probable other lines that will compromise the security of many miners..  .    .         .

A simple example,:

Quote from: usenix_dec11
 

 "In this article, I focus on two modern defenses:
address space layout randomization (ASLR) and data execution prevention (DEP).
The beauty of these defenses is that they have little runtime overhead and can
provide some protection for all programs—even ones with serious vulnerabilities—
without requiring access to the program’s source code. This flexibility comes with
a tradeoff, however: the deployed defenses are not perfect. In this article, I shed
some light on how these defenses work, when they work, and how the presence of
unrandomized code can allow attackers to bypass them."


 So, suppose if I am a malicious actor, who has tried before and almost succeeded, and I know that it is possible for me to be able to build an executable within the network, but now I have one more option, since before I had some, such as using the fake publc keys and also the secret keys, but I had limitations and difficulties, But it was going well according to my goal and then they released another way for me to put images, and with practically unlimited space, I just need to adjust. But my intention is not in the images, but what I can put in each one, a little of what I'm building so that in the future, I have an executable within the network.

   .  Simple examples of how it works.:

 
  Hackers can hide malware in image files using techniques such as altering pixels in a JPEG photo to embed malicious code, making subtle color value differences between altered and unaltered pixels that are undetectable to the human eye, hiding a payload within the code itself, calling other executables for an attack, and appending text strings to the end of a file without changing the visual appearance of the image (HackerNoon, SentinelOne).



 No strange file names. No antivirus warnings. Just a harmless picture, secretly concealing a payload that can steal data, execute malware, and take over your system without a trace.


   So, putting all this together, and having finished my supposed executable divided into several public keys and so on, the time has come for me to put my supposed plan into practice and execute it as follows: sending transactions in the necessary order for these public keys to be grouped in the correct way. Adding signatures and messages on the network that make them run everything inside a single node, even if these keys are in separate blocks, they will group together and it will be my first attempt to make this executable work, and I can't make a mistake, and to prevent it from failing, I've tested them in a test-net before....
....
    .   Can this be possible? I don't know.
    .   Can this be impossible? I don't know.
    .   Is it possible to avoid it? yes.

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   -it can also be said that the discussion induced by size/limit, SPAM, sensitive  images(CSAM) etc, are just a distraction to obfuscate something bigger.
 
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 And so, it's based on that that I said that one day there would come a point where it would be necessary to enable arbitrary CoinJoin.


" It may have some scaling advantages if it is used as more than just a privacy tool. "

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  So, randomly I talked about it here a few days ago, and see that it has already been proposed for 2026>>>  

#Reduced Data Temporary Softfork(committed
3 days ago*)

"We propose a flag day startheight of 934864 (2026-02-01), with mandatory signaling leading up to activation. This implies an expiry day stopheight of 987424 (2027-02-01). These heights were extrapolated from block 920464 which occurred near 00:00 UTC on 2025-10-24."

-In addition to being temporary, it does not solve the real problem, and it even causes more problems. /#



   "Bitcoin, the world’s largest and oldest blockchain, is confronting an existential question of how much data should live on its ledger.

   A new proposal, Bitcoin Improvement Proposal 444 (BIP-444)( Huh Smiley ), seeks to roll back a recent OP_RETURN upgrade that allowed users to attach text, images, and digital signatures to transactions.

   Its supporters call it a necessary defense against legal exposure. However, critics say it’s a misguided overreach that could fracture Bitcoin’s open ethos."




 . I would also like to add that it would be necessary to add a limit for a maximum of 3 mult 'SK' to avoid this likely grouping.



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 And instead of seeing a healthy and productive discussion, we see the usual, division!
as if it were orchestrated to take the focus off the main objective, security. and the permanence/perseverance of this security continues to exist.

 As I now would want to be seeing a discussion about how to send BTC transactions via radio, via newspaper, via smoke signal, via couriers to horses in apocalyptic times carrying hashes to be confirmed in secret bunkers and by resilient people who remain strong on goals in the midst of major crises. and constantly looking for ways to escape from the greater controller, the great thief, I see just another essence of freedom being used as a tool of the controller, joining him instead of fighting him, sad progress.


gotennawas selled to forterra

Quote from:  txTenna

   txTenna is a proof-of-concept Android app developed by Samourai as part of the Mule.Tools research and development initiative exploring alternative means of transaction broadcasting to enhance censorship resistance.

  txTenna can:

 .  be used for transmitting transactions to the bitcoin network via SMS. Send your own transactions by SMS using a known txTenna relay or allow your own contacts to use your mobile number as an SMS relay.

 .  be used for transmitting transactions to the bitcoin network via the goTenna mesh network.



  Samourai has been curating Mule.tools, an R&D initiative to further reinforce the censorship-resistant properties of the Bitcoin blockchain and also published the code for Pony Direct, a proof-of-concept app for broadcasting transactions over SMS in January. “We believe one of the most fundamental value propositions that bitcoin provides is censorship resistance,” SW, the CEO of Samourai, told Bitcoin Magazine. “The freedom to transact freely and without permission is not a freedom to take lightly, or give up without a fight. We saw the open internet transform into a walled garden, captured by regulatory and corporate interest working together — and largely aided by red-herrings like ‘net-neutrality.’ “The tools we are building arm the little guy — the individual — with the tools they need to level the playing field against the inevitable overstepping of bounds by hostile actors, oppressive regimes and overzealous governments,” said SW. “We're making some material changes to Samourai Wallet to allow for a greater high latency and offline experience. In conjunction with the release of txTenna, Samourai Wallet users will be able to theoretically keep their phone offline at all times and still be able to send and receive payments with minimal hassle.”

 


whats happened with cce.cash openly recently with cool new feautures ..easy acces?nokyc?



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What I realize with all this happening over time is that security measures for privacy and resilience are being left aside, and even the opposite, paths are being opened litle by litle that can come in a way, weaken security, with paths that are being opened where they did not exist before.
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Destroying BTC from the outside in, is harder than destroying it from the inside out.
Would it be a new direction to be taken? It's to be thought...
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***So, all this fallacy was written by a layman, who is only interested in the subject and tries day after day to reason outside the box.

>>conclusion:

>> The right thing is I will fish and stop writing a lot of nonsense that comes into my head because I keep feeding it with what I see on the INTERNET.
  
  And come here just to talk about the weather, of the moon and space, since the uncertainty of the closing of the month of October is getting worse and worse and there are 3 days left.!!
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There is a lot of leverage that gets liquidated if we fall back to $112K and that is also where the CME gap is...  So I think it is safe to say we need to dip and remove those leveraged longs before the next leg up...  Hopefully a massive leg up to short squeeze everyone at $125K. 

With Polymarket now showing a 53% chance that we hit $130K by the end of the year and being found to be 95% accurate a month out...  One last rally to a new ATH seems more likely than not at this point.
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What is going on here? Are you all too old for memes?

Users posting here these days..

Old man yells at Knots and old man yells at Core?  Grin


Fairly recently, you were largely making the same ad hominem arguments that Core folks have been making, in terms of proclaiming that normies don't deserve to comment on some of these topics if they are not "smart" enough or they are not "technical" enough to be able to participate on the "technical" level.. which is not a very strong position when it comes to something like bitcoin.

Are you my alt?
Of course not, but let’s say that you resemble/remind me of a btlk user that I appreciate.

If you are not sock-puppets, then you might be "brothers from other mothers?"  as the old expression goes.

But there is no need to insult WO members.
I … strongly disagree, I think it is absolutely necessary.

Do what you like, then.  You are probably going to get fewer folks agreeing with you, but still whatever, you are free to approach matters how you like. .. and yeah, maybe your "good points," if you happen to have any might not get lost through your seemingly need for improvement bedside manners.

There are quite a few of us who do not let personal attacks bother us.. .. even though since most of us (royal perhaps?) who consider our lil selfies as "humans," emotions might end up coming out from time to time, and surely some of the points that both you and Satofan44 seem to be aimed at purposeful stirring up of emotions rather than engaging any substantive points that "wordy man" cAPSLOCK might have accidentally and incidentally made in his various walls of text on the topic.

I would say WE are the ones suffering from his projection, but otherwise, yes.
But but, is that a royal “we”?
Perhaps the resident fuckbot can confirm.

Is the "residential fuckbot" a rotating position or would you consider (to the extent that your newbie sockpuppet opinion matters?) any particular member to hold such "residential fuckbot" position?

#askingforafriend

What is going on here? Are you all too old for memes?

Users posting here these days..

Old man yells at Knots and old man yells at Core?  Grin
I would yell at both... but I am too old for this shit.


Do some pushups then in order to work towards getting back some youthful vigor. #justsaying

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~Of course that is an extreme example but all throughout history those in positions of power use false flags all the time to push agendas of control.
Your example is not extreme, and there are still more things to happen that are not being discussed.
  Maybe they've even taken control, and they're just waiting for the right time to announce it.
  that would be an exaggerated example.

You can believe whatever you like in regards to the extent to which you believe anyone controls bitcoin, or they would like to create the impression that they control it and/or they would like to try to control it... and also you can figure out how much to invest into bitcoin based on your own presumptions that may or may not be correct and have fun staying poor if you are failing/refusing to recognize the paradigm changing nature of bitcoin and at the same time wanting to plug it into known categories so you can come to simple and lame-ass explanations in regards to what you believe bitcoin to be, how it got to where it is and where you believe it might be going.

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You don't have an opinion either in regards to such a seemingly straight-forward topic?
I just tried to share this to understand that Bitcoin is now a much more visible and popular part of modern culture around the world. I should have given my opinion here. I personally think that this event  in Lugano of putting it on has shown a kind of social acceptance. Everyone in the community has shown such acceptance towards Bitcoin that Bitcoin is not just limited to financial assets but has become a modern identity, emotion and trust.

Great.  You do have some kind of an opinion.

That is good.

There are so many members posting links and/or images without any kind of comment or anything, so do you want to act like one of those kinds of members?  no better than a brainless bot?

In the end it is your choice, and there are plenty of members beside this here cat who are irritated by seemingly brainless posts.

The choice is yours to do whatever you like.
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