Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

[ChartBuddy]

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[JayJuanGee]

this was probably already posted here. But just in case. (Haven't had the time to read the much WO lately)
Bank of Japan Rate Hike Could Trigger 20-30% Bitcoin Decline as Markets Price 98% Probability
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-japan-rate-hike-could-180617423.html
I'm in the camp that people already sold the rumor and that we won't go down too much...

If markets price 98% probability it's priced in. The Fed's rare cut was less likely ffs.

This is a great point that is probably lost on many people. The fact is that markets trade based on future expectations, not current reality. You need to be able to see how the expectations are misguided to make big money trading.

It is not a good idea to trade bitcoin.

Just think about your lil selfie as an example of what not to do.

Even though you think that you are richie or that you have become richie from bitcoin, yet compare your dumbass trading and degenerate gambling lil selfie to another version of yourself who would have had focused on mostly buying bitcoin and holding it. 

If you had refrained from trying to trade your bitcoin, you would have been rich as fuck. 

Instead, perhaps, to the extent that "we" might believe you, you are just mediocre rich (perhaps?). 

I even question if you might happen to have had gotten mediocre rich from bitcoin, since trading bitcoin has not been (and is not / and probably will not be in the future) a very good idea/practice when it comes to bitcoin.

[BTCETFInvestor]

this was probably already posted here. But just in case. (Haven't had the time to read the much WO lately)
Bank of Japan Rate Hike Could Trigger 20-30% Bitcoin Decline as Markets Price 98% Probability
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-japan-rate-hike-could-180617423.html
I'm in the camp that people already sold the rumor and that we won't go down too much...

If markets price 98% probability it's priced in. The Fed's rare cut was less likely ffs.

This is a great point that is probably lost on many people. The fact is that markets trade based on future expectations, not current reality. You need to be able to see how the expectations are misguided to make big money trading.

It is not a good idea to trade bitcoin.

Just think about your lil selfie as an example of what not to do.

Even though you think that you are richie or that you have become richie from bitcoin, yet compare your dumbass trading and degenerate gambling lil selfie to another version of yourself who would have had focused on mostly buying bitcoin and holding it.  

If you had refrained from trying to trade your bitcoin, you would have been rich as fuck.  

Instead, perhaps, to the extent that "we" might believe you, you are just mediocre rich (perhaps?).  

I even question if you might happen to have had gotten mediocre rich from bitcoin, since trading bitcoin has not been (and is not / and probably will not be in the future) a very good idea/practice when it comes to bitcoin.

Hey asshole JJG - Why are you preaching your bullshit like a fucking know-it-all lunatic to OgN?

[philipma1957]

https://8marketcap.com/



Silver is at an ath of 65+ an Oz.

It is also poised to move from number 5 to number 4 in marketcap

It has 3.699t and could end up in 2nd or 3rd very soon.

01) Gold         30.213t
02) Nvidia        4.326t
03) Apple         4.075t
04) Google       3.714t
05) Silver           3.700t
06) Microsoft    3.541t
07) Amazon      2.379t
08) BTC.            1.744t


Pretty nice to see my Silver moving up.

But I am offering my Silver far under market value and it does not sell.


So btc is far easier to cash out.

[BTCETFInvestor]

https://8marketcap.com/



Silver is at an ath of 65+ an Oz.

It is also poised to move from number 5 to number 4 in marketcap

It has 3.699t and could end up in 2nd or 3rd very soon.

01) Gold       30.213t
02) Nvidia      4.326t
03) Apple       4.075t
04) Google     3.714t
05) Silver        3.700t
06) Microsoft 3.541T
07)
08) BTC

BTC would knock Amazon out and be in 7th place if it had kept its ATH in October, but it dropped 30%. 

[philipma1957]

Gold crushes 2-7 combined

[ChartBuddy]

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[BTCETFInvestor]

Bitcoin Expected to Reach New All-Time High: Grayscale and Bitwise predict Bitcoin will hit a new all-time high in 2026. Factors cited include institutional demand, clearer regulation, and market cycle changes.

► https://www.newsbtc.com/news/bitcoin/bitcoin-could-break-records-again-in-6-months-grayscale-says/

► https://lookonchain.com/feeds/40680

[JayJuanGee]

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Hey asshole JJG - Why are you preaching your bullshit like a fucking know-it-all lunatic to OgN?

Did someone die and put an out of touch newbie like you in charge of screening contents of this thread?

I hope not.. otherwise we are all screwed to the extent that you even know what this thread is about and/or what actual bitcoin is.

By the way, congratulations. You inspired me to place a red tag on your account that you have long deserved.  If anyone could assemble some of the historical posts of this twat, (even though I know that he had already shown a tendency to delete a bunch of posts after being called out on his misrepresentations in such posts), we could perhaps add some more references to further negative trust of the dweeb.

On a personal level, I doubt that I will be removing my red tag of this disingenuine twat since he does not really seem capable of redemption, and his account should probably be banned at some point for some of the historical mischievousness and attempts at derailing and misleading rather than providing content that might be helpful to other forum members.

https://8marketcap.com/
Silver is at an ath of 65+ an Oz.
It is also poised to move from number 5 to number 4 in marketcap

It has 3.699t and could end up in 2nd or 3rd very soon.
01) Gold         30.213t
02) Nvidia        4.326t
03) Apple         4.075t
04) Google       3.714t
05) Silver           3.700t
06) Microsoft    3.541t
07) Amazon      2.379t
08) BTC.            1.744t
Pretty nice to see my Silver moving up.
But I am offering my Silver far under market value and it does not sell.

So btc is far easier to cash out.

Of course, bitcoin is better than each of those and all of them, and likely around 1,000x better than gold in terms of money-ness... of course each of those companies (or commodities) have their purposes, yet money-ness is where bitcoin is going to pass them all up.. so I am not sure how much of a purpose there is to have some diversification into any of the 7 higher ones that you mentioned.. beyond maybe a few percent the size of bitcoin into any of those.  Perhaps?

Gold crushes 2-7 combined

So what?

It is a bit exciting for gold bugs to see their shiny rock to have some life in the past year. .and so yeah, there are likely going to be folks who are lured (and distracted into gold) rather than bitcoin.. . and of course, folks can do what they like.. and even with bitcoin, we don't have any easy sailing, the extent to which the underlying is manipulated in bitcoin, and also in gold and silver too.  Physicality seems more like a cost than a benefit, even though surely in current times (and maybe even into the future) there might be some "pick-up" in the physical of those assets, too.. .yet folks are likely going to have difficulties with trying to deal with the physical... so yeah, surely interesting times.

[ChartBuddy]

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[goldkingcoiner]

I can't believe gambling on Polymarket is legal...wow.
That's where the crazy bets may pay off if you are smart.
Contemplating bidding small on something.

Because of a lack of house edges?

[ChartBuddy]

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[JayJuanGee]

Another thread closed and I had drafted my responsive post, I noticed that I was not able to post.  So, instead, I will put my responsive post here (in "the forum's catch-all thread").

Wow already in page 8 just under a few days
This is a first for me.
Not really used to creating thread that attracts large audience
They are usually quite niche.

Will be locking the thread since I have gotten some level of understanding what others think about the matter
And majority share same view with me.
Thanks for your contribution....

Of course it is your thread, and it is up to you if you think that the ideas have been exhausted on the topic or if you think that it is relevant that your question was answered.

The relationship of government and bitcoin is surely ongoing and evolving - even though your phrasing of the OP as to whether governments "need" bitcoin is a bit of a non-fitting question, since they really do not seem to have a choice.  Bitcoin does not seem to be optional, even if several governments have historically been treating bitcoin as optional.  Of course, there might be a related question in regards to whether bitcoin needs government, which seems to have had been how many folks had been recently raising the question.. and yeah, it is not like bitcoin has a choice either.. government is here whether bitcoiners want it or not.. which goes back to that expression that bitcoin is for everyone and anyone and even for enemies (to the extent that any of us might consider aspects of governments as enemies - even though in theory governments are usually put in place to attempt to represent various public interests to the extent that they are potentially capable of such on a level greater than (or in partnership with) individuals.

[OgNasty]

I can't believe gambling on Polymarket is legal...wow.
That's where the crazy bets may pay off if you are smart.
Contemplating bidding small on something.

Because of a lack of house edges?

I heard Coinbase is launching a US prediction market tomorrow. I was going to buy some options but man are they expensive. Instead I think I’ll invest in a fund that sells covered calls (SPYI anyone?).

[ChartBuddy]

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[AlcoHoDL]

I can't believe gambling on Polymarket is legal...wow.
That's where the crazy bets may pay off if you are smart.
Contemplating bidding small on something.

Because of a lack of house edges?

I heard Coinbase is launching a US prediction market tomorrow. I was going to buy some options but man are they expensive. Instead I think I’ll invest in a fund that sells covered calls (SPYI anyone?).

I got an email from Kraken yesterday, about some new betting platform they're offering too. Can't remember the details, I've deleted the email. Something about sports NFTs maybe. It's not in Kraken's style to push such things.

I guess they're all out to get our money. I wouldn't even go near trading/gambling at this point. Not my thing. I'll HoDL and wait it out. There's no need to touch my stash, as I have regular fiat sources to sustain me.

Looking fwd to 2026 -- hopefully an ATH by June, otherwise in HoDL mode till 2029 it seems.

[ChartBuddy]

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[OutOfMemory]

[edited out]

Hey asshole JJG - Why are you preaching your bullshit like a fucking know-it-all lunatic to OgN?

Did someone die and put an out of touch newbie like you in charge of screening contents of this thread?

I hope not.. otherwise we are all screwed to the extent that you even know what this thread is about and/or what actual bitcoin is.

By the way, congratulations. You inspired me to place a red tag on your account that you have long deserved.  If anyone could assemble some of the historical posts of this twat, (even though I know that he had already shown a tendency to delete a bunch of posts after being called out on his misrepresentations in such posts), we could perhaps add some more references to further negative trust of the dweeb.

On a personal level, I doubt that I will be removing my red tag of this disingenuine twat since he does not really seem capable of redemption, and his account should probably be banned at some point for some of the historical mischievousness and attempts at derailing and misleading rather than providing content that might be helpful to other forum members.

Gee, now he (might think he) has a reason for his lowlife/bully arguing against you, but the red tag wasn't undeserved at all, imo.
You might as well not care as much about him and his poorly reflected reactions, though 

Finally going OT now:

I teased ya'll for the Flame/Horsehead nebula integrations, which were only 70 minutes and as the 134 mins result of the Pleiades last time was hinting at an extraordinary shift in image quality and detail, i was outright stunned when i caught the first view on screen.
Really, i didn't expect so much better results than what i've already got in the past, but when i looked at some (one-shot color) pics on the internet which were integrated for four hours or more, even days, i knew there was some headroom, but i didn't think that a single piece of optics makes the most difference in the chain. $800 well spent, as i can use it on two of my telescopes.

I still can't believe these were only 70x60 seconds of imaging. Well, my location is really dark and the night was almost perfect, the big tube caught a bit of wind on every 2nd picture, but the object was bright enough. I made a comparison pic, but the upper part is made using a different scope (lenses instead of mirrors) and there was some dew, which bloated the stars a bit, but the lack of details is mainly based on the lower level of correction using a dual lens piece, while the new corrector is a quad (with almost no loss in transparency, can you believe it?!)

I'll just leave the resized results here, along with a simple a/b comparison example, as last time.