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So two sales of 40 coin rolls of quarters.

I listed more silver on ebay.

There is interest in it.

Maybe I push out some more.

 But it is hard to sell once you bump it up a bit in price.

Roll 1 424 right out the door
Roll 2 435 right out the door
Roll 3 440 not sold as of yet.

And 440 is still a bit under melt.

I post this to  show that silver is hard to sell and btc is easy to sell.

What's the break-even cost weight for purity testing Ag media? Certainly relatively far more than the dust limit
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So two sales of 40 coin rolls of quarters.

I listed more silver on ebay.

There is interest in it.

Maybe I push out some more.

 But it is hard to sell once you bump it up a bit in price.

Roll 1 424 right out the door
Roll 2 435 right out the door
Roll 3 440 not sold as of yet.

And 440 is still a bit under melt.

I post this to  show that silver is hard to sell and btc is easy to sell.

What's the break-even cost weight for purity testing Ag media? Certainly relatively far more than the dust limit


no need to test the half dollars or the quarters for purity.

large bars yeah they could be faked.

if you look at these quarters.

they are obviously real as the wear patterns would never be done on a 11-12  dollar coins as a fake.

Now a 10oz bar has decent value and may be worth faking.

I usually go for lower condition coins for melt as I do not fear fakes.



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The Yardstick looks extremely undervalued sitting at rock bottom.

Bitcoin will go up in 2026.


We hope there is a strong possibility of hitting $500k by 2026. Wink

Well you always have hope… 😝 bitcoin usually trades down two years before the halving which is around April of 2028. I think they walk it down slowly and play the game for the next year. See the chart for reference 😎

https://crypto.com/en/bitcoin/halving-countdown


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I am double posting to say I have far more in btc than silver

why is that?

 BTC is liquid and silver liquidity is so so.

Look at my bitcointalk listing for silver.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568505.0

silver is over 24 usd a coin (half dollars)

and I am asking under 20 a coin a huge discount

and the guy wants more discount. LOL Grin

That is how hard it is to sell silver.

I have played with silver since 1977.

I caught every runup and made some money each runup but selling it is always very hard to do.

I would never own a kilo or a 100oz bar as that is worse to be sure it is good.




@hyperjacked if BTC is going to be toyed with like it seems to be and if they do a repeat and rinse move it is in trouble as it is too easy for this to happen and there is no reason for it to happen other than really rich whales hurting the rest by playing yo yo
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I am double posting to say I have far more in btc than silver

why is that BTC is liquid and silver is so so.

Look at my bitcointalk listing for silver.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568505.0

silver is over 24 usd a coin (half dollars)

and I am asking under 20 a coin a huge discount

and the guy wants more discount. LOL Grin

That is how hard it is to sell silver.

I have played with silver since 1977.

I caught every runup and made some money each runup but selling it is always very hard to do.

I would never own a kilo or a 100oz bar as that is worse to be sure it is good.




@hyperjacked if BTC is going to be toyed with like it seems to be and if they do a repeat and rinse move it is in trouble as it is too easy for this to happen and there is no reason for it to happen other than really rich whales hurting the rest by playing yo yo

Wow Phil you’re older than me… 😝 I timed the last run up in silver and traded it in for Bitcoin.
We are in uncharted territory imho and we have Blackrock and the boys playing around this time! We can certainly expect the unexpected… they are absolute professionals at stealing your Bitcoin 1 satoshi at a time!
 Tread lightly… buy the dips n hold has always been a good strategy long term imo 😎
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Again pump to than dump O’clock?

Annoying to be correct

Market suffer from major manipulation.

Coinbase/Bitstamp/Blackrock/Wintermute/Binance/Martrixport are all buying and selling at the same time like they are in the same Whatsapp group to decide when.

Probaly to stomp those leverage retards until they are exhausted only then they will start the real pump.

They may not be in the same group, but they all have the same interests - which is to make as much money from Bitcoin as possible at all costs. If they have any goal, it is to convince as many weak hands as possible that the bull run is over and thereby drive the price down as low as possible. The tactic they are using is clearly the only one they have at the moment, because it is clear that they are very bothered by the fact that Bitcoin is decentralized and that they cannot privatize, blackmail or copy it.

Those greedy bastards will never be able to forgive themselves for being so stupid for over 10 years when they said Bitcoin was a scam and a mirage, now they are paying dearly and using tricks to lower the price.

Bitcoin just shows you how much demand for money laundering there is in the world,” the head of the largest asset management firm in the world said Friday.
Fink’s comments came right after JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon called people who own the cryptocurrency “stupid”.
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I am double posting to say I have far more in btc than silver

why is that BTC is liquid and silver is so so.

Look at my bitcointalk listing for silver.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5568505.0

silver is over 24 usd a coin (half dollars)

and I am asking under 20 a coin a huge discount

and the guy wants more discount. LOL Grin

That is how hard it is to sell silver.

I have played with silver since 1977.

I caught every runup and made some money each runup but selling it is always very hard to do.

I would never own a kilo or a 100oz bar as that is worse to be sure it is good.




@hyperjacked if BTC is going to be toyed with like it seems to be and if they do a repeat and rinse move it is in trouble as it is too easy for this to happen and there is no reason for it to happen other than really rich whales hurting the rest by playing yo yo

Wow Phil you’re older than me… 😝 I timed the last run up in silver and traded it in for Bitcoin.
We are in uncharted territory imho and we have Blackrock and the boys playing around this time! We can certainly expect the unexpected… they are absolute professionals at stealing your Bitcoin 1 satoshi at a time!
 Tread lightly… buy the dips n hold has always been a good strategy long term imo 😎

Yeah I would not mind turning in 9k for silver at 20k and buying a good amount of BTC with it.

But liquidity is always an issue when you sell silver.
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https://8marketcap.com/



Silver is at an ath of 65+ an Oz.

It is also poised to move from number 5 to number 4 in marketcap

It has 3.699t and could end up in 2nd or 3rd very soon.

01) Gold         30.213t
02) Nvidia        4.326t
03) Apple         4.075t
04) Google       3.714t
05) Silver           3.700t
06) Microsoft    3.541t
07) Amazon      2.379t
08) BTC.            1.744t




changes have occurred

01) Gold         30.476t     
02) Nvidia        4.385t
03) Apple         4.020t
04) Silver         3.798t
05) Google       3.706t
06) Microsoft    3.605t
07) Amazon      2.336t
08) BTC.           1.754t


silver moves up a notch and it could pass Apple today
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Again pump to than dump O’clock?

Annoying to be correct

Market suffer from major manipulation.

Coinbase/Bitstamp/Blackrock/Wintermute/Binance/Martrixport are all buying and selling at the same time like they are in the same Whatsapp group to decide when.

Probaly to stomp those leverage retards until they are exhausted only then they will start the real pump.

They may not be in the same group, but they all have the same interests - which is to make as much money from Bitcoin as possible at all costs. If they have any goal, it is to convince as many weak hands as possible that the bull run is over and thereby drive the price down as low as possible. The tactic they are using is clearly the only one they have at the moment, because it is clear that they are very bothered by the fact that Bitcoin is decentralized and that they cannot privatize, blackmail or copy it.

Those greedy bastards will never be able to forgive themselves for being so stupid for over 10 years when they said Bitcoin was a scam and a mirage, now they are paying dearly and using tricks to lower the price.

Bitcoin just shows you how much demand for money laundering there is in the world,” the head of the largest asset management firm in the world said Friday.
Fink’s comments came right after JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon called people who own the cryptocurrency “stupid”.

Yeah, they did the same to Internet stocks in 2001-2002, brought AMZN down from $400 to $5, then bought it cheaply over the following 2-3 years.
Same happened with NFLX...at some point it lost 60-70% all of a sudden with no "visible" causes.
I see all this, but, unfortunately, i don't have many decades ahead, unless AI would be able to find the anti-aging treatment in the next 10 years or so.
Still...I hodl.
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Yeah, they did the same to Internet stocks in 2001-2002, brought AMZN down from $400 to $5, then bought it cheaply over the following 2-3 years.
Same happened with NFLX...at some point it lost 60-70% all of a sudden with no "visible" causes.
I see all this, but, unfortunately, i don't have many decades ahead, unless AI would be able to find the anti-aging treatment in the next 10 years or so.
Still...I hodl.

Maybe hedge fonds moves?

Still, you can do a lot to age healthy, based on asian medicine. Berberine, Cordyceps militaris, Nattokinase to name a few, combined with NAC, Vitamin C,D,B, Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc. It's some research to do what works and what to combine and what not to combine. I know, with 50+ i can only guess what life is like at +10, +20, or even 80+ years, but compared to people of my age, i'm doing noticeably well (working memory problems and attention deficit excluded, but i also managed to improve those).

OT:
The trial today was interesting. Mr. scammer and his accomplice wife are going to be arrested for 2-4 years. I didn't stay until the final ruling, but i can browse the documentation online in a couple of days. Sadly, they got children, but this is a reason for the wife to get away with house arrest.

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Quit your constant lying! You know I have never said that Bitcoin spot ETFs are the same as Bitcoin, or that they are better than Bitcoin. You appear to have a serious mental illness.

You should be ashamed of yourself if you had any decency or morality, but I'm afraid you aren't capable of realizing your problem. For someone like you with a mental problem, you lack integrity and self-worth so honesty is not something you give a damn about. I really don't see how anyone here can have any respect for a loser like you, JJG.  I don't need your stupid preaching...    

JayJuanGee - You should seek professional help - it's clear you have a mental illness. Maybe your mother can get you some help.

 
You are making personal attacks on JayJuanGee without any arguments or constructive discussion. The kind of things JJG said about ETF are logical but you used offensive and insulting words without providing any information. I see in you that when someone cannot win in arguments, he often leaves the topic of discussion and goes into personal attacks. I have always seen JJG being much calmer at such times.

You are saying “I don’t need your preaching” Actually I have never seen JJG say anything by following anyone. He always tries to give his opinion based on his own arguments, experiences, and thoughts. If you don’t like it then you disagree with him with logically . He has been on this forum for more than 11 years. He is much more experienced and has a lot of contributions to this forum than you and so we should understand that his experience is much more . And whether you like him or not agree with his statements or not it cannot be denied that he discusses based on facts and logic not personal insults.
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yada yada enchilada...
 
You are making personal attacks on JayJuanGee without any arguments or constructive discussion. The kind of things JJG said about ETF are logical but you used offensive and insulting words without providing any information. I see in you that when someone cannot win in arguments, he often leaves the topic of discussion and goes into personal attacks. I have always seen JJG being much calmer at such times.

You are saying “I don’t need your preaching” Actually I have never seen JJG say anything by following anyone. He always tries to give his opinion based on his own arguments, experiences, and thoughts. If you don’t like it then you disagree with him with logically . He has been on this forum for more than 11 years. He is much more experienced and has a lot of contributions to this forum than you and so we should understand that his experience is much more . And whether you like him or not agree with his statements or not it cannot be denied that he discusses based on facts and logic not personal insults.

Don't troll the quote  Wink
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You can just leave them unnoticed.

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EDIT: Unbelievable. It seems unreal to me that i actually advertise the ign0re button. You know who made me do this   Roll Eyes
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The Yardstick looks extremely undervalued sitting at rock bottom.
Bitcoin will go up in 2026.

RPFTFY. (rusty-pipe-fied that for you)


I am not sure if I understand the rusty pipe idea, yet I was thinking about the directionality of the pipes, so there could be an opening and a closing rusty pipe.. so we would have opening, closing, opening, closing, opening..   So, the first three are correct, but the next two are not correct unless we are missing some..

I don't understand the yardstick idea either.. so I am just thinking artistically about the concepts contained within those squigglies, rather than any actual substantive meaning beyond number go up and number not going up enough in recent times.

The Yardstick looks extremely undervalued sitting at rock bottom.

Bitcoin will go up in 2026.

We hope there is a strong possibility of hitting $500k by 2026. Wink

Interesting use of the term "we."

I think that it is possible for the price of dee cornz to hit $500k in 2026 (maybe 15%-ish or perhaps slightly higher?), yet I am not sure if the strength of the possibility for hitting at 15%-ish or higher would be considered to be "high," relatively speaking as compared with other possible outcomes that could happen when it comes to merely looking at bitcoin price movements and tops and/or bottoms that might happen within that timeline.  

Of course, my own assessment of the possibility is largely my own variation of SOMA which might not even be very tethered to reality.

I think that when we started our most recent run - which might be considered to have been around the Trump pump in November 2024, I was then tentatively thinking that BTC prices might go up to $120k and perhaps have a bit of resistance (which means a correction) and then subsequently bounce into the $120k to $180k zone for several months, maybe even more than 6 months, and then at some later point go into the super $180k prices which I was thinking that $250k-ish to be fairly reasonable for that range but that it could go into the $1 million to $2 million territories for the high end (and yeah maybe lower end odds for those higher numbers, even though they seemed to have had been reasonably possible to play out).

The Yardstick looks extremely undervalued sitting at rock bottom.
Bitcoin will go up in 2026.

Can you provide a legend for the colors in the graph? Black is market cap.

Yeah.. I don't really understand the various parts either, and I suppose a bit of work, we can find the graph and some explanations on the glassnode website - if we were inclined to search for it (since no link has been provided here).. .. yet I will tell you that the black line at the top (or is it grey?) is the BTC price, not market cap. .. market cap would be generally trending up.. in terms of it being measured in dollars. ... .even though market cap is being used somewhere in the calculation of some of the squigglies contained within that chart.

Now, I am thinking that some of the now seemingly too bullish ideas that I had about bitcoin's short-to-medium term price dynamics have been quelled (perhaps "tamed" is another way of describing it?) by some of the more recent entrants into the bitcoin space of financial instrument players and these financial instrument players seem to be achieving way more abilities to tamper with ("tame" again) bitcoin prices than I thought would have been likely within such a short-period of time with such a digitally easy to transfer bearer asset like bitcoin.. so there are likely some needs to assess and/or reassess and figure out the extent to which some of our prior models might have had been broken.. not that any of us should expect to be able to really put together high expectations regarding our own abilities to know the future with any degree of certainty such as 1) bitcoin's role in such future and/or 2) how bitcoin's prices might be influenced in our transitioning from the present into the future (even if we might get some of the general dynamics directionally correct in regards to adoption, network effects and the seeming follow up upward pressures on BTC prices from such)

In several ways, many of us have likely expected that there were going to be various battles along the road of bitcoins adoption and the ways that its network effects were both growing and simultaneously challenged in their growth, and surely there are aspects of the control and co-optation attempts that are becoming more clear in recent times.. and so there can be some frustrations in regards to the control and co-optation angles that have been playing out and the extent to which anything can be done or more importantly what each of us is going to do in our own portfolio management in regards to our own perceptions of the way that the control and co-optation angles are playing out. .

Perhaps some of our current place has already been telegraphed in regards to increasing attempts by various powers that be entities (governments, institutions and/or status quo rich) to try to control and impede and disincentivize self-custody - which has been substantively part of my forum profile signature (even though my signature is a wee bit ambiguous) for a few years now.

The Yardstick looks extremely undervalued sitting at rock bottom.
Bitcoin will go up in 2026.

We hope there is a strong possibility of hitting $500k by 2026. Wink
Well you always have hope… 😝 bitcoin usually trades down two years before the halving which is around April of 2028. I think they walk it down slowly and play the game for the next year. See the chart for reference 😎
https://crypto.com/en/bitcoin/halving-countdown

Hi Hyperjacked. How are you doing?

Remember the good ole days when you used to come into this thread and be such a beartard and/or shitcoin pumpener with your dumbass seasonality and inhale/exhale bullshit claims?

To the extent to which you might have gotten off of losing money from shitcoins (maybe I am presuming too much since gambling does sometimes end up paying off), you have come a long way, baby.    Wink Wink

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

@hyperjacked if BTC is going to be toyed with like it seems to be and if they do a repeat and rinse move it is in trouble as it is too easy for this to happen and there is no reason for it to happen other than really rich whales hurting the rest by playing yo yo

Of course, each of us is free to our views in regards to the potential success of the powers that be in their battles and their manipulation attempts.

Part of your own difficulties in bitcoin (Phillip) likely relate to your tending to have too much confidence in bear case scenarios and failing/refusing to protect ur lil selfie from UPside scenarios (that ended up playing out historically and even have decently good chances of continuing to happen into the future).

There are ways to hedge both directions to have preparations for both up and down, and frequently, some of us might not even realize how much our value is embedded in various dollar-based systems, so we end up having any or hardly any exposure to non-dollar based assets.. and even gold and silver have been manipulated to the fuck out of by various dollar/debt-based systems - even though they are showing some recent signs of life.  

We need to be careful in terms of giving too much credit to the powers that be to get their way or even presuming that the powers that be are so coordinated in terms of their agreement to both whether the current golden goose should be killed and if it should be (or can be) killed then the timeline or even the course for such killing presuming that they are actually able to get their way in any kind of meaningful way that various individuals (like uie pooie and yours truly) can engage practices to protect ourselves from getting overly steam-rolled in such ambiguous battles that even the powers that be are likely not as coordinated and/or prepared as some of us might give them credit in being... and yeah, they might have some various villainous plots that they would like to carry out, yet it still might not be practical for them to execute in the ways that they would like to accomplish such execution.

Tread lightly… buy the dips n hold has always been a good strategy long term imo 😎

Wow!!!!!!!!

You really have come around.   Tongue Tongue Tongue Tongue

By the way, not to be too combative in regards to your above statement, I think that your above statement plays for a person who has either reached a large bitcoin accumulation level or is getting close to having enough bitcoin or more than enough.

What I mean is that there are so many normies (likely an overwhelming majority of the population - since we only have around 1% world-wide adoption of dee cornz) in the world who have not yet reached enough or even close to enough bitcoin (even if some of them might have had concluded that they have), so many times newbies and low coiners (even if they might not be sure if they are a low coiner), need to focus on buying bitcoin at any price until they reach a decently sized bitcoin stash, and once they achieve a decently sized stash, they can start to be a bit more strategic about their buys, such as buying on the dips.

Otherwise, my own opinion is that ongoing buying of bitcoin is better, especially for anyone in their first whole bitcoin cycle (4 years), yet it also tends to take a while to build up a bitcoin stash, so it could well take a couple cycles or more for many normies to really build up a decent sized bitcoin stash so that they might be able to put less emphasis on ongoing accumulation and perhaps transition into buying dips rather than ongoing buying.  
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We are in uncharted territory imho and we have Blackrock and the boys playing around this time! We can certainly expect the unexpected… they are absolute professionals at stealing your Bitcoin 1 satoshi at a time!

Can you explain how Blackrock is stealing Bitcoin 1 satoshi at a time? That's quite an accusation to be making!

If true, the SEC and DOJ would certainly be very interested in what you know 'if' you can prove your claim that Blackrock steals Bitcoin. Otherwise it is a fraudulent assertion that could be treated as a false statement of a material fact made with the intent to cause Blackrock harm.    

FYI - BlackRock can take legal action regarding false accusations made on a social messaging website, and this action could be directed at this bitcointalk.org website, or at the individual (you) who made the statement, going after your IP address for identification. I don't think you want that to happen or to be involved in such matters... Just saying'  
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Yeah, they did the same to Internet stocks in 2001-2002, brought AMZN down from $400 to $5, then bought it cheaply over the following 2-3 years.
Same happened with NFLX...at some point it lost 60-70% all of a sudden with no "visible" causes.
I see all this, but, unfortunately, i don't have many decades ahead, unless AI would be able to find the anti-aging treatment in the next 10 years or so.
Still...I hodl.

Maybe hedge fonds moves?

Still, you can do a lot to age healthy, based on asian medicine. Berberine, Cordyceps militaris, Nattokinase to name a few, combined with NAC, Vitamin C,D,B, Magnesium, Potassium, Zinc. It's some research to do what works and what to combine and what not to combine. I know, with 50+ i can only guess what life is like at +10, +20, or even 80+ years, but compared to people of my age, i'm doing noticeably well (working memory problems and attention deficit excluded, but i also managed to improve those).

OT:
The trial today was interesting. Mr. scammer and his accomplice wife are going to be arrested for 2-4 years. I didn't stay until the final ruling, but i can browse the documentation online in a couple of days. Sadly, they got children, but this is a reason for the wife to get away with house arrest.



Yes, sure, you can find some small molecule "treatments" that might help, but there is this fundamental problem of aging that science as a whole so far has not been able to fully grasp with some tantalizing hints from the model organisms. I think every genome is unique and whatever is found for mice might not work for humans, but could point in a right direction.

There are several multibillion $$ (in direct investment) private companies that are working on this problem and P. Diamandis thinks that it is solvable in 10-15 years.
I also read with interest about the 5 stages of brain development; 0-8, 9-31, 32-65, 66-83 and over 83.
https://www.cam.ac.uk/stories/five-ages-human-brain

I am of the opinion that when you get to be over 83, then all these new types of medicines might not help much as the brain is already at the final stage.
The best time is probably the 32-65 years old cohort, but I am hoping that 66-83 might still be "extended". We shall see.

I have seen my father in law: he was very sharp until about 81, then 81-84 was OK, but then you could have seen the changes after about 85-86. Died of COVID at 88, RIP.
In my family line(s), all females live a very long time (over 90 to much over 90), but all males die by 83 and less to much less, so there is some prior history.
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December 19, 2025, 06:12:10 PM
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The Yardstick looks extremely undervalued sitting at rock bottom.

Bitcoin will go up in 2026.


Can you provide a legend for the colors in the graph? Black is market cap.

I was looking at that as well and thinking how can that red spike be hashrate?

Maybe Phil can explain that to my dumb ass.
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