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hey guys

i know some folks here some sweet coffee/espresso/etc kit. any recommendations?

looking for fully automatic grind brew clean cycles and ease of maintenance. not concerned about price but not looking for commercial quality either.

currently make french press and pourover and i froth milk on the side.. looking to just hit a button now.

 Now where is the fun in that?
My brother bought a Breville that meets your requirements but shortly afterward, he stopped drinking coffee.  His wife still drinks coffee but she never quit the pour-over.  I think they only use the Breville when I visit unless I bring coffee beans and then it's pour-over for sure.  I've asked him if he would recommend the Breville; I'll let you know.

 Boy, was I wrong.  It's not fully automatic but it grinds from a reservoir and dispenses the proper amount of coffee into the portafilter.  Also you have to clean and scale it.  We'll... it looked like it should do everything! I just have a little Oster Prima Latte which I think is Mr. Coffee branded elsewhere.  I've made friends with it and it hasn't given me grief for 4 years this Christmas.  I like the 19 bar pump but if you steam milk, you need earplugs to approach within 10 feet of it.
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The trial today was interesting. Mr. scammer and his accomplice wife are going to be arrested for 2-4 years. I didn't stay until the final ruling, but i can browse the documentation online in a couple of days. Sadly, they got children, but this is a reason for the wife to get away with house arrest.

Nope, just a quick update to my post from earlier this day. It was about an ill horse that was sold to me, which was actually stolen. And i'm not the only victim, as i found out later. The horse is fine now, but the scammer got prosecuted. Short version. It's not in the news, but the country i live in offers public documentation of all legal proceedings and trials (except civil law).

OOM - Since the horse was originally stolen and then sold to you, are you somehow able to keep it now as its legitimate owner?

Was the scammer and his wife prosecuted for your case along with the other victim(s) in the same ruling or just for your one individual case? Is the horse used for show or breeding or a work horse? I'm glad the horse is healthy now, maybe with your help an attention.      

my guess based on USA law is the original owner gets the horse 🐎 back.

oom gets money from the thief to pay for the loss.

but oom would be free to cut a deal with the original owner if the original owner wants to.

but countries vary.

also someone nursed the horse back to health which could complicate things a bit.

In detail: We (me + wife) were looking after the name of the horse on the internet, just out of curiosity. We found photos (she was a competition winner), name and photos of the real owner and also a posting on her facebook page that the horse was missing. We contacted her and she was glad that we have relieved her sorrows and ended the uncertainties about the fate of her horse. She said she was happy that the horse was alive and that she has a good home, which was all she wanted. My wife and her also became friends in the process. The horse was stolen in a way that the scammer claimed to run a sanctuary for horses and would take care of the horse for free and the owner could visit her anytime. She rang him up a few times and he assured her that the horse is doing fine. Then she came for a visit and he denied entry to the farm. At this time the horse was already sold. The owner didn't see the horse by the other horses on the paddocks and then she was researching and found the group where all the other victims have come together. Some of the horses, mainly very old and very ill ones, were brought straight to the slaughterhouse, the ones that were in better condition have been sold after the scammer managed to temporarily hide signs of sickness. In my case, it was chronic inflammation of the hoofs that was only showing in winter, but the horse always avoided to gallop and stepping on hard grounds (asphalt, concrete, rock), even in summer.
The whole story is a bit complicated, i am also not doing good in concentrating and i'm also lacking a bit of eloquence, since i had my last Muscimol dose yesterday. But in short, the original owner gave us the horse for free. From then on she finally could really come for a visit whenever she wanted, even when we'd not be at home.
We cured the hoof inflammations using Nattokinase and gaiters made from llama-wool socks, because the anti-inflammatory drugs that the vet gave me would have done some harm over time and also sedated the horse too much.
The scammer was insisting that the owner sold the horse to him and she didn't want a receipt. That was also subject of yesterday's trial, where the owner had a short video-interview by the judge in a separate room in court, because the scammer has threatened her in the past, so she was very anxious about having to stay in the same room with him.

As for getting money back from the scammer: He officially has no belongings, as does his wife. There is a long list of debtees and they probably never get any compensation. The scammer also never paid a cent of taxes. I don't care. The horse is safe and sound, that's the important thing.


 Hoping his broken hip heals well.

broken hips are no joke. its likely to be a long recovery. make sure he really takes the physical therapy seriously.

Hips and shoulders, while shoulders are unlikely to be restored to fully function with age.
For example, two of my skateboard friends from the old days who are still rolling, have both got hip implants at age 46 (twins, actually). They said it takes a few months and good physio effort and then the hips are like new. I'm not sure if healing is the same when you're about 30 years older.



We've avoided another one - or has he avoided us? Whatever it is, it's over and I hope it doesn't come back anytime soon. Astronauts on the ISS had a phenomenal view.

Chances of a hit are pretty low. There are lots of known objects within the solar system, and occasional guests from within the milky way, like atlas. Those mostly come back, but typically after hundreds of years if they haven't been broken down or changed their path due to collisions. Space is unbelievably wide. The sun is 8 minutes of lightspeed away.
I would have liked to get a shot of Atlas this fall, when it was close to the sun, which gives it a long, greenish tail. But at the latitude my observatory is, it was only visible near horizon around beginning and end of night, so most of the time it would have been visible under dark skies it would have been covered by mountains, hills or trees already.

hey guys

i know some folks here some sweet coffee/espresso/etc kit. any recommendations?

looking for fully automatic grind brew clean cycles and ease of maintenance. not concerned about price but not looking for commercial quality either.

currently make french press and pourover and i froth milk on the side.. looking to just hit a button now.

I use DeLonghi machines now since Saeco (Philips) were always a moldy mess to clean after short time of use.
DeLonghi Magnifica system is easy to clean, just take out the press unit when the machine is switched off. Just make sure to thoroughly clean the part where the waste water is collected, each time when emptying the coffee puck box. I use a nylon paintbrush and hot water with a drop of detergent. Takes two minutes to clean it all (try searching on youtube).

This one i am using:
https://www.amazon.com/Delonghi-ECAM22110B-Automatic-Espresso-Cappuccino/dp/B00NE1XBY4

I see that the price is $400 lower in the US compared to the EU. Is this a result of the orange man's tarrif-wars?
Got mine for seven years now, one repair of the brewing flask (did it myself) after six years, but it was my own fault, because i was using ground coffee for a while (it has a separate filler opening for it, in case you're out of beans), but it was ground too finely. I just replaced it a week ago with the same model, newer version.

EDIT: I see Bitholder also recommended DeLonghi, but some model with an automatic milk foaming unit. These are not so trivial to keep clean. I always make the foam manually, and the foam pipe is easy to disassemble and clean (three parts). Takes me a minute using a wet, hot cloth and a drop of soap and a small "bottle brush", the one that is used to clean steel strawls.

EDIT2: Last post today, exhausted and tired. Go skiing for a day with three kids/teens having ADHD and you know how i feel  Cheesy
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There are still 3.5 months for the bet to play out, and yeah, sure at the moment, LFC seems to have a bit of a trend (momentum) working to his favor, yet it may be premature to count my side of the bet as being out..

...and probably the more important question for folks concerns how to manage their own holdings... and so many guys want to be able to sell some of their corn, even though they are not even close to overaccumulation status... but, yep, I know there are various opinions regarding how aggressive any guys should be within their bitcoin accumulation practices, and I am surely much of an advocate for changing levels of BTC accumulation aggressiveness based on BTC price movements.. .. yet I think sometimes normies make the error of lowering their BTC accumulation aggressiveness based on their speculation that the BTC price may go down further, which surely may or may not end up happening.

Bitcoin price is very uncertain and we don't know what's the exact low or what's the ATH. Take example of current scenario, we don't know whether current price of 88k is the lowest or price will go further down. The best measures people (who don't have enough Bitcoins) can take in current scenario is to keep on buying Bitcoin to increase stash because dips are an opportunity for them to buy Bitcoins.  
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Bang. More oil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-seizing-another-ship-caribbean-171259343.html


2nd tanker grabbed by Trump.

FIRST tanker had 1.6 million gallons

Trying to figure out how big this one is.
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EDIT: I see Bitholder also recommended DeLonghi, but some model with an automatic milk foaming unit. These are not so trivial to keep clean. I always make the foam manually, and the foam pipe is easy to disassemble and clean (three parts). Takes me a minute using a wet, hot cloth and a drop of soap and a small "bottle brush", the one that is used to clean steel strawls.
Well I would not write it exactly like that even if you are correct. Of course to be able to create some more drinks automatically you need more parts like the milk foaming unit. It needs a bit more extra cleaning for the extra functionality that it comes with. Still overall I think the cleaning requirement is very low and even more so when you don't use the milk foaming unit. If you don't use that you only have to clean it every once in a while and even less frequently descale, but both are pretty simple. Compared to manual grinding and machines the cleaning time with these machines is reduced by 90-99% overall. 
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OT:
The trial today was interesting. Mr. scammer and his accomplice wife are going to be arrested for 2-4 years. I didn't stay until the final ruling, but i can browse the documentation online in a couple of days. Sadly, they got children, but this is a reason for the wife to get away with house arrest.

Nope, just a quick update to my post from earlier this day. It was about an ill horse that was sold to me, which was actually stolen. And i'm not the only victim, as i found out later. The horse is fine now, but the scammer got prosecuted. Short version. It's not in the news, but the country i live in offers public documentation of all legal proceedings and trials (except civil law).

OOM - Since the horse was originally stolen and then sold to you, are you somehow able to keep it now as its legitimate owner?

Was the scammer and his wife prosecuted for your case along with the other victim(s) in the same ruling or just for your one individual case? Is the horse used for show or breeding or a work horse? I'm glad the horse is healthy now, maybe with your help an attention.      

my guess based on USA law is the original owner gets the horse 🐎 back.

oom gets money from the thief to pay for the loss.

but oom would be free to cut a deal with the original owner if the original owner wants to.

but countries vary.

also someone nursed the horse back to health which could complicate things a bit.

In detail: We (me + wife) were looking after the name of the horse on the internet, just out of curiosity. We found photos (she was a competition winner), name and photos of the real owner and also a posting on her facebook page that the horse was missing. We contacted her and she was glad that we have relieved her sorrows and ended the uncertainties about the fate of her horse. She said she was happy that the horse was alive and that she has a good home, which was all she wanted. My wife and her also became friends in the process. The horse was stolen in a way that the scammer claimed to run a sanctuary for horses and would take care of the horse for free and the owner could visit her anytime. She rang him up a few times and he assured her that the horse is doing fine. Then she came for a visit and he denied entry to the farm. At this time the horse was already sold. The owner didn't see the horse by the other horses on the paddocks and then she was researching and found the group where all the other victims have come together. Some of the horses, mainly very old and very ill ones, were brought straight to the slaughterhouse, the ones that were in better condition have been sold after the scammer managed to temporarily hide signs of sickness. In my case, it was chronic inflammation of the hoofs that was only showing in winter, but the horse always avoided to gallop and stepping on hard grounds (asphalt, concrete, rock), even in summer.
The whole story is a bit complicated, i am also not doing good in concentrating and i'm also lacking a bit of eloquence, since i had my last Muscimol dose yesterday. But in short, the original owner gave us the horse for free. From then on she finally could really come for a visit whenever she wanted, even when we'd not be at home.
We cured the hoof inflammations using Nattokinase and gaiters made from llama-wool socks, because the anti-inflammatory drugs that the vet gave me would have done some harm over time and also sedated the horse too much.
The scammer was insisting that the owner sold the horse to him and she didn't want a receipt. That was also subject of yesterday's trial, where the owner had a short video-interview by the judge in a separate room in court, because the scammer has threatened her in the past, so she was very anxious about having to stay in the same room with him.

As for getting money back from the scammer: He officially has no belongings, as does his wife. There is a long list of debtees and they probably never get any compensation. The scammer also never paid a cent of taxes. I don't care. The horse is safe and sound, that's the important thing.

OOM - That's a very interesting and definitely a complicated happening. Did the lady (the original owner of the horse) decide to give you the horse free of charge because she knew you will take good care for it, and she just wanted to be-done with what had taken place with the thief?

Did you have to testify in open court proceedings?


I've had horses (quarter horses) myself and took great pride in taking good care of them and keeping them healthy. It was lot's of work and expense for sure!  

Picture of mother and baby in the pasture on property when I lived in North Carolina.  
   

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EDIT: I see Bitholder also recommended DeLonghi, but some model with an automatic milk foaming unit. These are not so trivial to keep clean. I always make the foam manually, and the foam pipe is easy to disassemble and clean (three parts). Takes me a minute using a wet, hot cloth and a drop of soap and a small "bottle brush", the one that is used to clean steel strawls.
Well I would not write it exactly like that even if you are correct. Of course to be able to create some more drinks automatically you need more parts like the milk foaming unit. It needs a bit more extra cleaning for the extra functionality that it comes with. Still overall I think the cleaning requirement is very low and even more so when you don't use the milk foaming unit. If you don't use that you only have to clean it every once in a while and even less frequently descale, but both are pretty simple. Compared to manual grinding and machines the cleaning time with these machines is reduced by 90-99% overall. 

If you want to buy a high-end coffee maker you really should  use this item for the water.


https://www.amazon.com/Classic-Countertop-Purification-Contaminants-Installation/dp/B0F2GRXV71/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?


The key to good coffee is neutral pure water.

If you buy the filter do not get the one that adds minerals back.

Get the classic.

Make coffee with that.

Your coffee maker will not get dirty since the water is pure.

Also you will  be tasting the coffee free of Floride or Chorline.

Which detract from taste.

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thank you very much MrPhill!!, have a nice day!!!

Thank you very much Phil for entertaining our various current residential WO troll bots.  


You are doing a great service in these here parts.  Seriously.  #nohomo

Hoping his broken hip heals well.
broken hips are no joke. its likely to be a long recovery. make sure he really takes the physical therapy seriously.
My aunt broke her hip last year just before Christmas and passed away just after Christmas.  It is a traumatic injury for anyone but especially the elderly.
Wow, that's a weird coincidence, exact same thing here.

Perhaps you guys are brothers from another mothers without realizing it?

But, now, the clues are coming in.
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If you want to buy a high-end coffee maker you really should  use this item for the water.


https://www.amazon.com/Classic-Countertop-Purification-Contaminants-Installation/dp/B0F2GRXV71/ref=sr_1_3_sspa?


The key to good coffee is neutral pure water.

If you buy the filter do not get the one that adds minerals back.

Get the classic.

Make coffee with that.

Your coffee maker will not get dirty since the water is pure.

Also you will  be tasting the coffee free of Floride or Chorline.

Which detract from taste.


I don't have such an advanced water filter, but I do have one. I don't mind the calcium in water, the effect on taste is not noticeable for me. The descaling is once every few months and mostly automated so that is not an issue either. The main difference in flavor if you have good water or a decent filter comes from using beans compared to something else like ground, and then the grind settings and the brew method. You can get coffee that is better than almost all coffee shops even with $200 of gear.. many places don't fine tune anything unfortunately. Good coffee is common, excellent coffee is very rare.

To be clear, it is my plan to get such a filter! It is on my list of upgrades. Come on korn, do something for me.  Cheesy For water filters I expect them to be extremely durable or the product is considered junk. My coffee machine is almost 15 years old now, not a single issue or break.
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they play btc shorts and want to get a dump under 80 they bet on say 79.5k
I remember there is a bet in place here between JJG and LFC_Bitcoin.

Between who is winning now as price is below 90k?
The due date is way away...

Jay will win the bet. 😜
Jay is a seasoned gambler, he wins most of the time because of his knowledge and skills.  

But the other player is also equally knowledgeable. Interesting to see outcome of this bet. 

I wonder how much skill is involved? 

Each of us have various theories and ideas about bitcoin that are based on our understandings of historical happening and perhaps various ways of the world, and we likely assign probabilities based on our theories and ideas.  Perhaps at the beginning of the bet, I was more than 50/50 confident  that I would win, perhaps even getting close to 60/40, otherwise if my confidence was lower or closer to 50/50, then I probably would not have had bet.  My level of confidence is not as high now as it was in late October-ish since the level of down has gone past my expectations, and our staying down has also lasted beyond my expectations, even though I still remain somewhat confident (perhaps slightly more than 50/50) that we have not yet been knocked out of our bull market, which would mean that I still consider the odds for UP to be greater than the odds for down, even though that does not necessarily help to establish confidence that our next ATH would end up happening in the first quarter of 2026 or if it might take a bit longer.. and yeah, i doubt that we get put into a bear market merely based on current stagnation (consolidation) in what seems to be around a somewhat narrow $85k and $93k price range... and perhaps the broader range to get us our of the current quagmire might be $80k to $105k-ish give or take $5k.

Regarding LFC, I am fairly sure he is feeling somewhat more emboldened about his having had been correct by the level of our current dip and our being stuck in such a low price range for such period of time, since there could be several ways that our current price patterns (and dynamics) appear to be quite similar to earlier price patterns/dynamics in which the BTC price ended up breaking down rather than up.. and yeah, I don't know how well it would end up playing for him if we might come close to reaching his target rebuy levels without quite reaching them, since he seems to have so much confidence that he has decently good odds of being able to buy back his sold amounts below $70k - which seems a bit too ongoingly overly bearish from my perspective, yet I will admit that I seem to be quite less inclined to transition into bearish thoughts of bitcoin in the short term as compared to LFC, and surely LFC has had some history of seeming success based on his seemingly greater inclination to transition into a bearish perspective as compared with me.   

I am not sure if he is overall in a greater position in regards to bitcoin based on his bearish inclinations relative to me, even though he probably ended up doing better financially in regards to at least the 2022 dip as compared with me, since he did seem to buy back quite a bit of his sold coins (which may well might have had been close to 25% of his stash) after something around 50% drops in BTC prices relative to his sell points, as compared with me, maybe I had sold something like a few percentage points on the way up and then bought back a few percentage points on the way down, and I also was the beneficiary of one happy fat thumb mistake that gave me another percent or two of increasing my BTC stash.. so maybe LFC largely bought back more than his sold coins and perhaps increased his stash by 20% or more and maybe I increased my stash by 3% to 4% at best in that period.

Another thing is that we cannot just look at one or two narrow trades and make proclamations of better or worse, yet instead maybe we could go back to 2015 or so at the time that LFC came into bitcoin, and perhaps question if he might have had been better served or worse served in the ways that he accumulated bitcoin based on his perspectives of bitcoin and his approach to accumulating bitcoin.  A question might be whether LFC's bearish inclinations might have had tempered his bitcoin accumulation aggressiveness in order to contribute towards his being more whimpy in his bitcoin accumulation and subsequent BTC portfolio management compared with me (even if we might be dealing with differing values.. .I would imagine us to have had been in differing financial/life positions based on age and also based on my having had gotten started in bitcoin in late 2013 rather than his getting started in 2015, even though surely BTC prices were in a better place when LFC came to the forum as compared to when I had gotten started in bitcoin, so it is possible that he could have had been relatively advantaged in bitcoin based on his coming in late (in spite of his seemingly higher inclinations towards bearishness as compared with me).

I get the sense that LFC would argue that he was not bearish relative to me at the time of his getting started in bitcoin, yet I have my doubts, since personalities do not just magically change all of a sudden.  i suspect that LFC and I have had our personalities and our life experiences affecting our bitcoin approach since before we got into bitcoin, and I would still suggest that we were affected by that, even though I might waffle with a side-caveat to proclaim that it is quite possible that LFC's gambling personality might have had ended up paying off for him, so perhaps he came into bitcoin with a kind of gambling mentality and invested way more than he should have had, and that gamble ended up paying off and he has continued with that kind of gambling mentality that so far seems to be working for him.. .relative to what I would consider my own more conservative approach (I don't like to take too many chances with my investments (including bitcoin), so any gambling that I might have had been doing, in relation to bitcoin, would have had been on the margins rather than having any relation to my core approach to bitcoin).

I have probably waffled on too much about this somewhat superficial comparison attempt.

By the way, I just looked at LFC's profile and see that he came to the forum in September 2014, and I was thinking that he had not gotten here until early to mid 2015 even though the timeline might not change my assessment very much.. since I recall that LFC had a bit of time - like a few months or something before he warmed up to bitcoin.. so my ideas of his getting his initial stakes in bitcoin in 2015 are probably not incorrect - even though surely he can correct any of this to the extent that he considers it to be something that he wants to do.
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Bang. More oil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-seizing-another-ship-caribbean-171259343.html


2nd tanker grabbed by Trump.

FIRST tanker had 1.6 million gallons

Trying to figure out how big this one is.

What are we in the badlands now?

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Bang. More oil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-seizing-another-ship-caribbean-171259343.html


2nd tanker grabbed by Trump.

FIRST tanker had 1.6 million gallons

Trying to figure out how big this one is.



What are we in the badlands now?



Maybe but if they are exporting 750,000 gallons a day and Donald Trump takes a  tanker week then has them cut and scrapped Venezuela will cave in under 90 days.

I think they have access  to around 14 tankers and Trump grabbed 2 of them.
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Bang. More oil

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/us-seizing-another-ship-caribbean-171259343.html


2nd tanker grabbed by Trump.

FIRST tanker had 1.6 million gallons

Trying to figure out how big this one is.



What are we in the badlands now?



Maybe but if they are exporting 750,000 gallons a day and Donald Trump takes a  tanker week then has them cut and scrapped Venezuela will cave in under 90 days.

I think they have access  to around 14 tankers and Trump grabbed 2 of them.

I forgot, why are we at war with them?
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December 20, 2025, 09:03:02 PM

I forgot, why are we at war with them?
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/18/does-the-us-have-any-real-claim-on-venezuelan-oil-as-stephen-miller-says

This is a good way to solve this situation without actually going to war with them. They will collapse fast. Anyway what are they going to do about this? Attack the US first?  Grin Grin Venezuela currently is one of the cases where people will welcome the liberator. Many past US interventions were a mistake though.
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