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What AI engine did you use to generate this image?

On a free or paid account?

Thanks.

So I'm using Venice.ai for that. And the model is the Nano Banana Pro, which is one of Google's I think.  It is a pay per use model, so it's one of their premium models. But because this service is designed by Erik Voorhees, it's so convoluted I have no idea what that picture costs me. Lol.

The original sparkle fairy was created on one of the free systems on Nano GPT.  Then I uploaded that and Buddy's Avatar to Nano Banana (what a weird name) and gave it this instruction.

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Create an image that takes the man on the left and puts the fairy on the right, sitting on his shoulder. The man is smiling and holding his Bitcoin and the fairy is glancing at him with her toothie smile as she waves her wand and makes sparkles go everywhere.


Venice has a little more refined interface overall, but NanoGPT has way more models, a much more sensible pricing mechanism and I think better prices.

In fact, NanoGPT actually has two or three of the banana models, so you could go crazy playing with those, but I know some of the other high-end models do fantastic imagery. I think Grock is really good in the image department.
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January 09, 2026, 01:13:34 AM

SO USA dominating the western hemisphere and Russia 🇷🇺 and China 🇨🇳 carving up asia part of Europe seems like where we are going.

Seems like China will absorb Russia first, then Europe. Maybe Africa will play a role in this too, since it's currently increasingly powered by both of them.

I don’t know. I think I agree with phil. Russia has always done a pretty good job of keeping invaders at bay and they have a lot of resources up north. I think China was expecting to dominate Latin America and Trump’s administration seems to want that role to be played by the US. I don’t like this new trend of expanding superpowers and am not sure how I feel about the US joining the race.

This statement will probably ruffle some feathers of some folks here, but in my opinion, one of the most important moves the US could do aside from the very obvious imperial moves in the western hemisphere would be to ally with Russia hopefully in place of them having relationship with China.

I'm not sure how possible this would be. They occupy neighboring spaces and have some shared interests, but Russia is much more like a Western (Christian) nation and a natural ally with the U.S.

I have a lot of mixed feelings on this new move for large actors in areas of the world becoming more imperial, but there is no turning back at this point. Just waiting for China to start going after Taiwan.
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January 09, 2026, 01:25:41 AM
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https://x.com/btconometrics/article/1874311314514075772
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Bitcoin represents an unprecedented monetary asset where future supply points are known with mathematical certainty. This certainty, combined with its network effects and predetermined halving schedule, creates a unique temporal phenomenon:
The exchangeable value of Bitcoin at any moment represents the temporal collapse of all future monetary phases into the present.




We are entering into "Store of Value".
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https://x.com/btconometrics/article/1874311314514075772
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Bitcoin represents an unprecedented monetary asset where future supply points are known with mathematical certainty. This certainty, combined with its network effects and predetermined halving schedule, creates a unique temporal phenomenon:
The exchangeable value of Bitcoin at any moment represents the temporal collapse of all future monetary phases into the present.




We are entering into "Store of Value".

yeah...but when "number go up" would happen? [that's the thought process of the majority participants, it seems].

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you're not just holding an asset - you're capturing the temporal collapse of future monetary phases into the present.
...but, but...can this "collapse" have a little more staying power, perhaps?  Grin
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What AI engine did you use to generate this image?

On a free or paid account?

Thanks.

So I'm using Venice.ai for that. And the model is the Nano Banana Pro, which is one of Google's I think.  It is a pay per use model, so it's one of their premium models. But because this service is designed by Erik Voorhees, it's so convoluted I have no idea what that picture costs me. Lol.

The original sparkle fairy was created on one of the free systems on Nano GPT.  Then I uploaded that and Buddy's Avatar to Nano Banana (what a weird name) and gave it this instruction.

Code:
Create an image that takes the man on the left and puts the fairy on the right, sitting on his shoulder. The man is smiling and holding his Bitcoin and the fairy is glancing at him with her toothie smile as she waves her wand and makes sparkles go everywhere.

Venice has a little more refined interface overall, but NanoGPT has way more models, a much more sensible pricing mechanism and I think better prices.

In fact, NanoGPT actually has two or three of the banana models, so you could go crazy playing with those, but I know some of the other high-end models do fantastic imagery. I think Grock is really good in the image department.

Many thanks, I appreciate the info.

Your last image is truly perfect to my eyes. Not a speck of noise, perfect colors, perfect saturation/lighting/exposure, soft shadows, dreamy, mesmerizing, with a slight translucency and buttery-smooth anti-aliasing. And no evident AI abnormalities (wrong knuckle count-type glitches).

I'm a perfectionist by nature (which can be extremely torturous if not kept under control), and often spend hours in Photoshop tweaking my images, removing noise, cloning out imperfections, adjusting exposure, color balance, etc., trying to make them as perfect as I can (a futile endeavor, I know...). But, to have an artificial entity (i.e. a machine) that is capable of generating images like the one you posted in mere seconds or minutes is truly remarkable. Yes, AI images look artificial, maybe too perfect, clinical, sterilized, but there is that near-perfect aspect that fascinates me.

Will check out Venice / NanoGPT / Nano Banana Pro. If such a high-quality image can be generated from the tiny 120x80 pixels ChartBuddy avatar, I can't wait to feed it some high-res material and see what comes out!
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January 09, 2026, 01:59:45 AM

I see that Tom Lee believes Bitcoin is breaking the 4-Year cycle, and he is doubling-down on his $250k price target prediction in 2026.
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https://x.com/btconometrics/article/1874311314514075772
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Bitcoin represents an unprecedented monetary asset where future supply points are known with mathematical certainty. This certainty, combined with its network effects and predetermined halving schedule, creates a unique temporal phenomenon:
The exchangeable value of Bitcoin at any moment represents the temporal collapse of all future monetary phases into the present.




We are entering into "Store of Value".

yeah...but when "number go up" would happen? [that's the thought process of the majority participants, it seems].

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you're not just holding an asset - you're capturing the temporal collapse of future monetary phases into the present.
...but, but...can this "collapse" have a little more staying power, perhaps?  Grin

they do not need to rush but hoping we do not drop to 45-65k

so i also think that tom lee is more likely to be correct.
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I see that Tom Lee believes Bitcoin is breaking the 4-Year cycle, and he is doubling-down on his $250k price target prediction in 2026.

He has been making BTC predictions since 2017 and has never been right -- not even once.
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January 09, 2026, 04:04:17 AM

Hey guys please review my ad for silver on ebay.

(note there is BTC in the add)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/168069188285

too dark ?

too religious?

or will it work?

and I know it is a high premium price due to the collection theme.

This is my last major sales item


I will hodl 60 silver dollars and 40 silver half dollars.

I have sold enough for now.
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So I am a bit dark
Better than sparkling like her
the sparkle fairy

Serious no bs I am on schedule to add 0.033 btc a month all hodl this year or 0.396 btc

The fact that you felt that you had to say "serious"  and "no bs" causes me to wonder why the superlatives were necessary.

Whenever projecting ahead there are difficulties to know exactly how many bitcoin you are going to get through your actions, since you are dealing with changes in prices of each of the variables - even if your goal is to attempt to project how many BTC that you anticipate getting out of the deal.

It is hard enough to attempt to merely calculate the dollar BTC pair.

I recall when I was in my earliest of BTC accumulation stages mostly December 2013 through January 2015 - yet it extended out a bit beyond that (yet the focused changed a bit after mid-2015), I had a tentative BTC target amount that I thought that I might be able to accumulate, yet I knew that the ONLY thing that I really had some level of predictability over was the amount of dollars coming in, and even the amount of dollars coming in (and what I would subsequently be able to divert into BTC purchases), even those amounts were somewhat contingent on some knowns and some unknowns...

So, for me, there were some times that the dollars amount ended up being higher than expected, yet the BTC price largely just ongoingly went down through the whole of 2014, which was mostly not in my expectations (even though after the fact it seems more obvious than I considered it to be when I was in the midst of it).  Even in the later half of 2015, there was probably way more buying of BTC than I had expected..

So in some sense, I ended up overshooting my targets, yet I probably would have had been scared to state them out of fear of having way too many unknowns to be able to really have confidence.  I had thought that I had set conservative targets, yet I overshot them, yet at the same time, I had outlined a variety of scenarios that involved the base case and then worse case scenarios and better case scenarios.. but still a lacking of confidence about the future, even though I had some grasp on some of the variables.

and by Jan 1 2027 I should be over 2 btc
and as I have said silver spikes and copper spikes in price caused by Donald Trumps moves are helping me to do this.

Well, sure.  I suppose that you are in the best place to estimate, yet aren't you a wee bit afraid of your estimates? I tend to doubt things falling exactly within a specific number, even though there likely would be the base case scenario, and then the better and the worser case scenarios rather than just one number as maybe you are giving the base case scenario as if it were going to come true.
 
So far Donald Trump has allowed me to reset my mining business and achieve more btc with more cash to run my life.

 Nothing wrong with that.. It is what it is, right?  - unless you are going to go to his next pep rally and sit in the crowd so he can point you out.

Now I realize that I may come across as anti BTC but last  year I sold under 0.1btc and added over 0.4btc to the stack which nets at about +0.3btc

You are advocating trading.. and yeah, that is a bit problematic to suggest that trading is good for guys who are accumulating BTC.   Sure, maybe you did some reasonable short term trades that ended up paying off, even though surely how far back do we need to go to give the case for bitcoin?  Perhaps 2017 or 2018?  Let's say that you focused on accumulating bitcoin between late 2017 and late 2020 (oh that's only 3 years?  I tend to prefer 4 years, even though it would have had been somewhat costly to have had been accumulating through 2021.

We could go through the numbers if you like, unless you are trying to proclaim that there is some replicability in your nonsense gamble that ended up paying off, to the extent that you did not get overly kilt in your hauling around copper or even your multiple silver transactions.

Does not seem to be a good thing to be bragging about, since we likely know what is the better asset (and better money) even though there have been some ways to temporary spin some other inferior investments as if they would have had been good trades (gambles).
 
I also dissolved my LLC partnership which allows me much more freedom to do what I deem fit.

fair enough..

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they do not need to rush but hoping we do not drop to 45-65k

I expect that you would not be bothered by such a wishful thinking drop, if it were to take place.

I think the odds for such is pretty low.  Of course, the higher end of the range would be more likely than the lower end of the range, but both parts of the range don't seem very likely, unless we were to actually transition into a bear market - which is not totally out of the question, even though it seems that we still have not transitioned into an actual bear market.  Not yet, anyhow.
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January 09, 2026, 04:54:07 AM

Hearing some noise about the unlikeness of Clarity passing.
https://decrypt.co/353799/senate-republicans-schedule-crypto-bill-vote-key-issues

I'd say...it is better for it not to pass then to pass with some ill-advised language about transmissions, sourcing, etc.
1099-DA already reads like a riddle to solve.

Mentally, I am starting to prepare for overall VERY high taxes in the future.
Imho, those 0-20% long-term cap gains (federal, in US) are not going to last for more than, say, three-four years or so.
Almost all accountants are predicting something like this-a low hanging "fruit", too.

from what I can tell it would be the death of bank CD's and those type of loans those big money banks would lose a lot

with current political climate I kinda doubt anything 'bi-partisan' (both parties) can get passed till after 2026 anyway....

just saying


the tax thing may be a thing ...myself inflation over next 10 years of us dollar to have consumers then take care of deficit with inflated $$$

seems to be a historical theme that will repeat..

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Trumpy&Co. need money to establish some mega army - they say the military budget will be as much as $1.5 trillion in 2027. I don't know if they're just planning to conquer Greenland, Colombia, and Iran, or if they discovered Martians and are planning to kidnap their president Roll Eyes

Think about how much money they could save the taxpayers  if they reduced military spending by merely 20%. let alone by half.

Maybe then they could remove all the homeless from the streets...

they are needed to motivate the low wage workers
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I see that Tom Lee believes Bitcoin is breaking the 4-Year cycle, and he is doubling-down on his $250k price target prediction in 2026.

He has been making BTC predictions since 2017 and has never been right -- not even once.

exactly... if anything he is a contrarian indicator
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