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Trump family made lot of money from shitcoins and they have a Bitcoin mining business.

Trump is surely selfish enough to push the market for his own good... I think his selfishness can be trusted  Cheesy

I know he is incredibly divisive, so much so that I wonder if he's just the anti-Christ.  But what you say here is absolutely true and this is the type of thing that Trump has at least signaled being strongly against in the past. Now whether he changes course and lines up with the powers that be and then they all join together in a circle and laugh at us, that could happen.

But the deeper problem for Donald Trump is he only has anything close to the carte blanche he's been using so far for another eight months.

Now, it is not impossible that the Democrats don't take Congress in the next election, but I think it's highly unlikely. I haven't looked at the prediction markets, but I'm just going to guess it's in a 70-30 kind of range. In fact, I'm going to go look now. (if it's even that good.)

Edit - yeah, it looks like 70-30 was a little bit more hopeful than reality, which is probably closer to 80-20, although they have several markets for different permutations of the election.

I also want to add it may be very easy to look at me and think I'm some sort of heavy Trump supporter. I am not but unfortunately I still believe he was the better choice in this last election which is saying something.  Because if the other side had won we would most certainly be seeing every stop pulled to try to destroy Bitcoin.  And things like this unrealized gains tax would be in play as well. I don't think that gets very far in the US in the current climate and I don't think it will after the midterms even if they're a massacre for the right.

I am neither maga nor anti maga. I am simply a pragmatist and it is dark right now in our choices as Americans (I realize I'm speaking to an international audience and I'm speaking as an American) have been kind of crazy for many years really.
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Kind of makes you wonder where you should move to.

Hint maybe not USA or Netherlands but a third place?

Mauritius  🇲🇺 is nice I spent some time there while in the Navy.

You should check it out.

Looks like an interesting place except for the cyclone season and there is this which should keep it a protectorate (although not in name) if nothing else.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YTSg4aP59SY
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He runs his company like he thinks Bitcoin is trash, but every now and then, dear old baldy says things that sound right.

Brian Armstrong at Davos talking about the Bitcoin standard.

https://tinyurl.com/y4e9u5p9

I feel like his grin at the end is him knowing that many of them hate the idea that he's pushing here.
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A framework plan for Greenland and the entire Arctic region has been formed - The new tariffs are dropped...  Markets UP!  Grin

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https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/2013698932644196401?s=20

This is the most criminal law imo... hoping this will not be a trend.

I would buy NL boating accident stocks now (if they existed)  Wink

Calm down, there's more information in the tweet's thread, the bill is still reviewed, it may even not make it to a vote.

But the idea, in fact, is criminal. Taxing gains, not refunding losses, and refusing to accept BTC as money is so wrong in itself, the bill must come from stupid minds.
The latter is quite common, almost normal, in right-winged people. Does NL still have a rightist government? IIRC... Geert Wilders, i think?

https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/2013698932644196401?s=20

This is the most criminal law imo... hoping this will not be a trend.

Huge protest going on against this absurd tax law. Proposal is still uncertain because it also needs to be approved both by the sanators in first camber and council of state members, not much enthusiasm among them either.

If and a big IF when approved than i and many other people will migratie to another country. I don't want that to be honest.




You know, the EU and NL, as other member states, need moar money.
Probably, wildly raising tarrifs would be a genius idea, no?

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

When new proposed tax law is dismissed the goverment will find new ways to get the money they want anyway. Some countries are interesting but they will also add inevitably new taxes over time like Portugal is not that crypto friendly anymore as they used to be.

After my mothers passing my sister and of course myself need each other presence more than ever. Moving abroad is a difficult decision but appealing for a new adventure. Germany just across the border would be the most convenient. Dubai is very populair only i can't stand the blistering heat all year around and the city is soulless. Prefer staying in Europe, i like old buildings more. From Athens, Rome, Scottish highlands, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe it all breaths history. We had snow in the Netherlands few weeks ago, while walking in Amsterdam in the evening through the canals with light decorations and snow it was like walking in a 16th century painting.

Netherless, by 2028 - 2032 Bitcoin will be $500,000 - $ 1 million. That has always been my final sell point, rest will remain in cold storage suffer a boating accident until i die. The person who will enjoy that inheritance will endure a tax bill if realizing profits.


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The latter is quite common, almost normal, in right-winged people. Does NL still have a rightist government? IIRC... Geert Wilders, i think?


Wilders is extreme LEFT not right, that's just bullshit MSM spouts. Go read his party's program if you don't believe.

Netherlands has very little right but they like calling a lot of left right.


Alright, since you seem erratically counter my viewpoint, i'll have to check what you're saying.
No offense, though.

EDIT: Didn't find many left arguments from Wilders but:
1. Condems Islam, but not Muslims.
2. Advocates for integration and respect of LGBTQ, which is kind of dutch tradition.
3. Wants to include animal rights in the constitution

All other aspects were center/right to far right:
- Leave the EU
- Not supporting Ukraine w. weapons
- "Remigration"
- strict policy on recreational drugs (against dutch tradition)
- stop NL immigration (against dutch tradition)

Looks more like "liberal" Wilders is quite un-integrative. He surely isn't networking much with other right streams of Europe, with the exclution of Hungary (which is kind of a european PITA, receiving billions while trying to foil european politic decision finding).
All in all, the boy is pretty much a right liberal.

@Paashaas, since you're a lot more familiar with the subject than me and also probably know how to identify fake news about PVV, would you give a statement about its political orientation? Thanks  Grin

And then i'd like to keep politics out of the discussion again.

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For now, BTC seems to recover, so there are people still buying. What an unusual bull/bear cycle that was. IF cycles still exist.
When will we be able to tell? EOY? Next halving?
Next long liquidity zone is $88k-$86k and it surely is a target for the market.

The PVV can be seen as a populist, with a mix of conservative liberal and right wing as well as left wing viewpoints.

He is stigmatized as extreme right for his harsh stand about immigration and islam and his connection with Le-Pen from France the AfD in Germany and the Kremlin.
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This is the most criminal law imo... hoping this will not be a trend.

Well...in addition to all of us, Rothschilds might disagree too  Cheesy
It's unlikely to be universally accepted, if at all.
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Kind of makes you wonder where you should move to.

Hint maybe not USA or Netherlands but a third place?

Mauritius  🇲🇺 is nice I spent some time there while in the Navy.

You should check it out.

Cyprus favors a lot

Better weather than Netherlands and not far if you want to visit the homeland.
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The latter is quite common, almost normal, in right-winged people. Does NL still have a rightist government? IIRC... Geert Wilders, i think?


Wilders is extreme LEFT not right, that's just bullshit MSM spouts. Go read his party's program if you don't believe.

Netherlands has very little right but they like calling a lot of left right.


Alright, since you seem erratically counter my viewpoint, i'll have to check what you're saying.
No offense, though.

EDIT: Didn't find many left arguments from Wilders but:
1. Condems Islam, but not Muslims.
2. Advocates for integration and respect of LGBTQ, which is kind of dutch tradition.
3. Wants to include animal rights in the constitution

All other aspects were center/right to far right:
- Leave the EU
- Not supporting Ukraine w. weapons
- "Remigration"
- strict policy on recreational drugs (against dutch tradition)
- stop NL immigration (against dutch tradition)

Looks more like "liberal" Wilders is quite un-integrative. He surely isn't networking much with other right streams of Europe, with the exclution of Hungary (which is kind of a european PITA, receiving billions while trying to foil european politic decision finding).
All in all, the boy is pretty much a right liberal.

@Paashaas, since you're a lot more familiar with the subject than me and also probably know how to identify fake news about PVV, would you give a statement about its political orientation? Thanks  Grin

And then i'd like to keep politics out of the discussion again.

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For now, BTC seems to recover, so there are people still buying. What an unusual bull/bear cycle that was. IF cycles still exist.
When will we be able to tell? EOY? Next halving?
Next long liquidity zone is $88k-$86k and it surely is a target for the market.

My.dude read his program. His entire economical program seems copy pasted from the SP (Socialist Party). He wants high taxes and high subsidies. He differs from the other left wing parties only in that he wants to give it to the Dutch with less means rather than immigrants. He's just a lefty.

The other things you list have nothing to do with left or right. Both can favour or disfavor different types of immigration. Both can have any geopolitical viewpoint.

Btw  Le-Pen is also extreme left (who isn't in France?) while AfD has sub currents of both left and right.
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TLDR - Over 1,000 words of pure shit from you - you empty gasbag!  
JJG, You are a laughingstock!  

Sorry (not sorry) that your little head has too many difficulties understanding bitcoin-related matters - including ideas that involve potentially managing our own bitcoin with anticipations in regards to whether we had accumulated enough bitcoin to carry out a withdrawal amount that would be sustainable.

O.k. So you (BitHolders) seem to believe that Trump is more of a speaker of truth than he is a liar.. and so hopefully you realize that he will come out with several justifications for whatever thing he is doing, to the extent that he even talks about it, and then at some point he will figure out which version has better reviews for him, and then he will stick with that version.  There were a few shifting narratives with the Venezuela situation, including the oil justification, which he may or may not end up sticking with that version of events.

Surely any of us could agree that Trump will sometimes say some unpopular things and even sometimes be shown to have had been correct on some of the things that he had ended up saying, yet even if he is sometimes found to have been more correct than originally thought, I doubt that it means that he is either a purveyor of truth or even that he is trustworthy, even though there are a lot of folks (including yourself) who seem to be ready and willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in regards to all kinds of outrageous shit that he does to arguably push the limits of the powers (or to strive to increase the powers?) of the Presidency.
I would not necessarily put it like that and to conclude that I would have to listen to everything he says and posts to be able to make a proper comparison as to the percentage of truthfulness. It is possible that he is lying more often than he is telling the truth, I do not know this for sure because I do not follow it in detail and follow only the big events and statements. It is not a good use of time to read that much politics for us I think? However he is much more direct, avoids useless political speak and inventing complete bullshit justifications and false reasoning that most politicians use in the Western world. That is not really something that can be dispute, it is also why he gets often in trouble because he does it too much at times.

I have a hard time trying to justify his narcissistic and shock value practices, even though admittedly his tactics have rubbed off into several sectors of human and/or political interactions, and sure, maybe there was some value in breaking up some of the phoney aspects around social justice warrior talking points.

As far as pushing powers of the presidency, if you weren't concerned with previous presidents and democrats doing it then that would indicate an anti-Trump bias. There were ridiculous abuses, including the drone-murdering Obama who got a Nobel piece prize.

Obama was so loved that he got the Nobel Peace Prize before he even did anything. It was at the beginning of his term and supposedly a preemptive strike from the Nobel Peace prize committee.

There are degrees of breaking institutions - and even there are kinds of breaks in institutions.  Of course, a certain level of spoils and history writing goes to the victor, yet I am not going to merely accept that "everybody does it" as an excuse.

Sure, I have a certain amount of anti-Trump bias.  The guy wears on people, which he has been doing since 2016, and perhaps in some ways, worse starting in this current term, even though he was making some pro-bitcoin statements and appointing pro-bitcoin members of his cabinet, which might help him from my point of view in some ways in terms of the bitcoin topic..

The world is a joke, don't believe the official words, labels, rewards, and whatever. Truth does not win, connections and narrative wins.

There have always been all kinds of differing cultures around the world and differing power dynamics, and even confusion and misinformation to the extent that any of us want to (or need to) learn world politics.

He has likely never really been held accountable for his various bad man conduct, and surely some folks don't mind Trump because they think that he is their asshole. (meaning that he is an asshole, but at least he is on the same side as they are.   They may or may not be correct in such assessment).  Trump seems to be able to get along with many folks, as long as such folks are in agreement with Trump and don't waiver in agreeing with Trump.
Yes and what about this, do you think that most people get held accountable for their bad conduct?

It is good to be held accountable when a person engages in bad conduct.

It is just a reflection of society as a whole, on a higher level. Many people shield their own family members who are shady, commit petty crimes or even sometimes very violent crimes including murder. It doesn't even have to be crimes, they often protect them for their bad behavior and ethics. Accountability does not come from top down, it will come from the bottom up. Did the Bidens or Clintons get held accountable for anything serious...?

You are back to "what about-ism" arguments.  For sure leaders should be held accountable to the extent that they might do bad things, and there are family and community issues and injustices all over the world... which ends up being a so what.  I doubt that Trump is being held to any different standard or more strict standard, and I stand by my overall assertion that likely throughout his life he has not been a very good person since he likely has had and carries out a gangster and thug kinds of practices.. but yeah, he got elected into office, so he still ends up getting quite a bit of power based on that.  Bidens and Clintons are not currently in power to the extent that you believe that they need to be held account for anything.  Sure they might still maintain some sway over the democrats and parties that are considered opposition to Trump.

Many heavy criminals are not convicted because they have connections with the higher ups or for other reasons, and on the other hand you can get convinced for saying something mean online in some countries.
I am not referring to any "what about-ism." I am referring to Trump.  Yes, when he got elected, it was a get out of jail card. I will grant that there might have had been some folks who purposefully voted for Trump because they wanted him to get out of jail and to get out of the various prosecutions that were then in process against him.... and probably the more important fact is that he was voted in, rather than why various voters decided to vote for him - even though surely there is all kinds of variation, and votes are also captured in time too.. and there may well be quite a few folks with regrets about their votes even though they might have not been willing to vote for Kamala, either, even if they could go back in time and unvote for Trump.
That is not a what about-ism, I gave you an explanation why in the eyes of the wider public the terms convict and felon are becoming meaningless.

Felon and convict are different things, and sure they might still have meaning in the eyes of some folks, even if you want to downplay the ideas.

I know areas where nobody at all cares about stuff like that and would not hesitate to associate with a man or woman who is either.

Sure it is true that in some circles it does not matter if a person is a convict and/or a Felon.  Trump might want to specifically appoint someone who is a Felon or convict or if the person is conflicted in some way, since his main criteria would likely concern their loyalty.  There is a difference between quasi-objective standards and accountability versus forms of personalized rules and surely some of that is on a spectrum, since even a 12 person jury is composed of individuals who ended up potentially getting influenced by the attorneys on each side and brought their own personal baggage into the process.. and the attorneys tried to screen the ones out who they thought would not be good for their side during the jury selection process.

It is the consequence of the environment in which things are happening, that is why I mentioned the speech stuff. As more people get convicted for being mean online, besides censoring themselves, others will care less and less if someone is convicted because most people will be convicted of stupid offenses like this.

Sure there are differences in the kinds of offenses, and some of the offenses might be stupid, as you say, and other kinds of offenses might be more serious.

Imagine something extreme, if you got convicted for simply going out of your house on Saturday. Would anyone care that you are a convict?

Sure you can come up with convictions that are stupid and even oppressive and unfair... but that does not nullify convictions or the legal process in which some folks end up getting found to have had carried out egregious behaviors and they were convicted for them.. of course, within the criminal standard would usually be needing to prove beyond a reasonable doubt and in civil cases the standard to prove might be the pre ponderous of the evidence, so there are differing standards for different kinds of crimes.. and yeah of course, not all laws are fair or enforced fairly.. so yes, there have always been disparities.....  

Of course, some folks don't care and they want to either minimize the importance of the criminal conviction or to act like it did not happen.  Trump and his team made various efforts to try to remove and/or to destroy some of the records related to various Trump prosecutions (and impeachements) over the years.
It is one useless conviction, the rest is speculative. I can say the same about any previous president and every top democrat, as long as nobody is convicted for those speculations they remain speculations.

Not everyone considers Trump's conviction as trivial, which was part of the reason that he wanted to get it expunged.  He probably would have gotten convicted of some other of the pending investigations if he had not been elected, but whatever, he was elected, so enough of the voters thought he deserved a get out of jail card (and perhaps some did not realize the impact of their vote), so in the end, who knows if those matters will come back again, since Trump seems to have a pretty good strangle hold on his current position.

If anything Trump has gotten away with way more than he should have had gotten away with rather than folks picking on him in a "witch trial" kind of context as he frequently likes to proclaim within his deluded and self-absorbed feelings of victimhood (in ways that he many times had brought on such desires of folks to prosecute him).
Yes, rich people get away with a lot of things. People shouldn't care only when it happens with Trump,

Trump brings on some of the attention to himself.. so of course, normies might think about Trump more than others.. and people who are in power should have some checks on them and be held to account.  We might not agree on how they are held to account, whether arguing about policy positions or getting the judicial branch or congress to block him in some way or another to the extent that he needs to be blocked or limited, including some folks taking to the streets or even engaging in campaigns online.

and compared to the average person of his class he got away with relatively little.

We are not going to agreed on that part.

Do some digging on what some of these people do. How many Epstein example does it take to realize how much the elites get away with? Trump did not do that one before someone jumps to repeat CNN content.  Grin

Of course, there were likely others, besides Trump, involved with the Epstein affairs, yet his dancing around the topic and blocking releases are interesting, even though you are correct that he was not the ONLY one involved in likely pedophilia or getting caught in compromising positions.

Yes his conduct in regards to bitcoin (and crypto) have been all over the place, and surely some not so good things by him or the various organizations connected to him, and perhaps even his kids.

Yes.. 2026. Let's see what happens.. I doubt that there are very many folks (including Trump and/or the efforts of folks in his Cabinets or various appointees) who are really trying to figure out ways that people are empowered by bitcoin - even though sometimes Trump or his various appointed folks will say some things or do some things that make it appear that they are supporting bitcoin rather than getting distracted by various cryptos or even being obsessed with ways to create CBDCs out of stable coins (privatized CBDCs) .. and yeah, it can be problematic to have Tether freezing coins (USDT) based on US government preferences and any of us might get caught up in some kind of a random freezing of the USDT that we might try to hold - which surely should cause pause in regarding how any of us might attempt to use some stable coin rather than BTC.  

We cannot address all of the ongoing attacks on bitcoin here, even though from my general perspective, there continue to be all kinds of ways that BTC is being attacked through KYC measures and/or paper bitcoin promotion that might contribute towards slower forms of attack on bitcoin in terms of ways that transacting through paper bitcoins or holding bitcoin paper products are given preferences, and direct ownership of bitcoin is ongoingly punished, even if lip service might be given - yet are the Samurai developers going to be released from Jail and/or have their sentences commuted and/or pardoned?   Trump is not in any kind of a hurry to fix those kinds of recent injustices (current events).
My thought is that they don't really consider Bitcoin at all when they are doing geopolitics or dealing with other issues. I don't think they say there and wondering alright if we impose these tariffs will it have a negative impact on the Bitcoin market, or this most recent stuff with Greenland. They should consider it, but they aren't and they are just doing whatever they want. Obviously chaos is not yet favorable to Bitcoin as it is to gold, we are still young and find ourself in an ETF redistribution phase. However, with time even chaotic events like these will boost the price of Bitcoin as it does with silver. See we went down again primarily because of geopolitics as the stock market also went down due to these events!

Based on Trump's past patterns and behaviors that flip flop, it can be difficult to know if he might be doing some of these things to short term manipulate markets and/or surely he could be just using some of his own flip flopping as a kind of negotiations position, too.

I surely don't engage in any attempts to trade short-term BTC price moves, even though if the price goes down my buy order tend to fill and if the BTC price goes up my sell orders tend to fill.  Sure if a lot of the orders fill in one direction rather than another direction, then even I might become a bit anxious about the direction or even getting stuck in some price location that seems extreme.

https://x.com/BitcoinNewsCom/status/2013698932644196401?s=20
This is the most criminal law imo... hoping this will not be a trend.
Where are the Europeans in this thread now? If Trump proposed this they would be screaming orange man bad all day long.  Grin Grin

As the level of desperation goes up, states will increasingly consider going down these paths.  Trump is not immune to either employing draconian measures our other measures to try to co-opt bitcoin in a more friendly seeming way.

Of course, in the whole scheme of things we would like to have freedoms in regards to bitcoin rather than oppressiveness and/or even reporting obligations.
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