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[ChartBuddy]

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[vapourminer]

I will make one other statement before completely withdrawing from this topic, not because it isn't interesting, but because I feel like it just ends in anger and division, which is another reason that I'm saying what I'm saying.

There are plenty things to complain about or to accuse people of without interpretations or making things up.

In the US, people are justifying the murders of others because of what they allegedly believe in or that they stood for things that others thought were despicable.  two recent examples were of Charlie Kirk and also the assassinated CEO of United Health Care, Brian Thompson.

It deeply burned inside of my soul that I saw nearly half of my country cheer for both of those deaths.

And it is my thought that hyperbolic rhetoric, like calling people Nazis, or commies, or horrible judgmental Christians or whatever is in a great part fueling the kinds of destructive forces that end up finding delight in the death and destruction of others and their property.

Again, there's plenty of things enough to disagree with that are factual without making assumptions.

its the ultimate rorschach test.

1/3 of the country thinks the current admins ice policy of shoot anything that moves, throw smoke and chemicals canisters in schools yards while children are there is all good. thats fine. Jesus approves (/s)

another 1/3 thinks pronouns are the most important thing and with criminals stuff like no bail or real punishment for criminals and immigrants that break the law. Fuck. That.

and then there the 1/3 didnt vote. and that third are fucking idiots. you vote. period. i dont care if you voted for my guy or your guy for pres. YOU VOTED. we who voted get to complain and jaw about all the crap going down, cuz we voted. those that didnt, they should shut the fuck up. and maybe do there civic duty and vote next time.

[OutOfMemory]

I will make one other statement before completely withdrawing from this topic, not because it isn't interesting, but because I feel like it just ends in anger and division, which is another reason that I'm saying what I'm saying.

There are plenty things to complain about or to accuse people of without interpretations or making things up.

In the US, people are justifying the murders of others because of what they allegedly believe in or that they stood for things that others thought were despicable.  two recent examples were of Charlie Kirk and also the assassinated CEO of United Health Care, Brian Thompson.

It deeply burned inside of my soul that I saw nearly half of my country cheer for both of those deaths.

And it is my thought that hyperbolic rhetoric, like calling people Nazis, or commies, or horrible judgmental Christians or whatever is in a great part fueling the kinds of destructive forces that end up finding delight in the death and destruction of others and their property.

Again, there's plenty of things enough to disagree with that are factual without making assumptions.

its the ultimate rorschach test.

1/3 of the country thinks the current admins ice policy of shoot anything that moves, throw smoke and chemicals canisters in schools yards while children are there. thats fine. Jesus approves (/s)

another 1/3 thinks pronouns are the most important thing there is and no bail or punishment for criminals and immigrants that break the law. Fuck. That.

and theresn the 1/3 didnt vote. and that third are fucking idiots. you vote. period.

There is no perfect version of democracy.
And in this case, as so often, it's a one-way version.
You can vote the POTUS, but you can't vote his ministers. Major flaw.
You can't vote what the government should do or not. Major flaw.
You can't unvote. Major flaw.

You can rely on a person's promises, a person you don't even really know, to place your vote.
You can't rely on this person to keep his promises.
You vote judging on words, but you have to be a bystander when it comes to actions. Like federal bloodhound gangs killing witnesses, calling themselves "victims" and the witnesses "domestic terrorists". Voters have to accept this or get jailed or killed when stepping up against crime. Seems not very democratic to me.

It's more like a cyclical voted dictatorship. Regardless if Rep or Dem.

By the way:
Congress, are you there?

[wachtwoord]

and theresn the 1/3 didnt vote. and that third are fucking idiots. you vote. period.

If you vote 2 things happen:

1. You help legitimize the political system through increasing turnout rates
2. You are responsible for the actions of the politicians who's right to rule you helped legitimize

As such I have never voted and consider those that do within an unacceptable political system retarded.


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You can't vote what the government should do or not. Major flaw.

Direct democracy is what you are looking for.

The only place that gets close to that is Switzerland.

[ChartBuddy]

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[philipma1957]

It seems to me that the price will go up again only when silver gold are not. There definitely seems to be a rotation out of Bitcoin into the PMs. What's worse though is USD falling and BTC falling at the same time. Those of us outside the US are getting creamed by this right now.

When this shit stops I'm sure there will be a rotation back into Bitcoin but at the moment it is not feeling too great.

Well the civil unrest here in the states seems to be one more factor of the price rises.

Hell sold my silver cheap so far. But still more listed.

Perhaps, but PMs are doing a straight up line only. That usually only happens in a mania stage when every man and his dog are selling everything to buy it. I suspect people are seeing the price and not thinking any further. Unsustainable, because they'll run out of money, but by the time PMs peak there will not be any tourists in Bitcoin anymore as they'll have all sold out. Surely it can't go on much longer.

Yeah, but i wouldn't dare to predict the exact top in PMs.
The whole "thing" feels engineered.

yeah it is why I ended up doing ladder up sales.

I did not think it would go to 110 as it did a few hours ago.

It may have more legs.

I have 22 Morgan dollars left                    worth  about  1875 not listed

and the 18oz set of horse riders of death.   worth about 1980 listed for 1999

Hard to believe these profits.

Do not have gold

but I do have gpus which will soon go up in price due to Nvida price restricions

I have a lot of ram way up

I have a lot of ssd's way up

I have a lot of forever stamps which go up slowly

So I should do well the next 60 days emptying my house of shit before I sell it.

[ChartBuddy]

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[OutOfMemory]

You can't vote what the government should do or not. Major flaw.

Direct democracy is what you are looking for.

The only place that gets close to that is Switzerland.

Yes. And even then democracy is flawed, because the public opinion can be (and will be) manipulated.

[Leahized]

As far as I know, WO has mostly experts, experience people and old people. I will show you an old used item. I have it for about 24 years. It was with my father before and Grandfather. As far as I know it is no longer used. And it's not worth much. Well do you have it? And what do you know about it?


                  

I have two. Funny thing is, I still use one.

[ESG]

... Well do you have it? And what do you know about it?


I have two. Funny thing is, I still use one.

here we still have one without glass, crash, and i remember kerosene's smell or stench...

[ChartBuddy]

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[psycodad]

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You can't vote what the government should do or not. Major flaw.

Direct democracy is what you are looking for.

The only place that gets close to that is Switzerland.

Ah, you mean like going to vote 2-5 times a year only to find out they'll do what they wanted in the first place anyway no matter what the outcome of the vote.
Or alternatively: If they don't get their way this time, the same vote comes over and over until they get the desired outcome.

Though all things considered I'd say it's not too bad, as it seems some checks and balances are in place and even occasionally work unlike in other places. I just think the Swiss system of democracy is often over-idealized. While we get to vote a whole lot, only seldom the people really get their will.

Still agree with vapourminers statement that people should vote. While wachtwoord has a point, not voting is waiving a right and and not fulfilling a civic duty. If enough people stop voting TPTB could as well interpret that as people foregoing their right to vote and their rights in democratic participation. Don't give them that, that would be too easy for them, at least they still have to manipulate the shit out of us and play as convincing as they can that they really care about people. As an added bonus, if you vote you have a right to bitterly whine, if you didn't vote you truely have to STFU.

[Leahized]

here we still have one without glass, crash, and i remember kerosene's smell or stench...

It was most popular in the countryside in ancient times and was one of the best ways to illuminate the darkness of the night.

I have smelled kerosene many times as a child, It's fascinating 

[ChartBuddy]

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[OutOfMemory]

As far as I know, WO has mostly experts, experience people and old people. I will show you an old used item. I have it for about 24 years. It was with my father before and Grandfather. As far as I know it is no longer used. And it's not worth much. Well do you have it? And what do you know about it?


                  

I have two. Funny thing is, I still use one.

I still have one, and also a bottle of Petroleum to light it up, using it a few times a year to find my way from the campfire to the wood stack and back.

<snip>

You can't vote what the government should do or not. Major flaw.

Direct democracy is what you are looking for.

The only place that gets close to that is Switzerland.

Ah, you mean like going to vote 2-5 times a year only to find out they'll do what they wanted in the first place anyway no matter what the outcome of the vote.
Or alternatively: If they don't get their way this time, the same vote comes over and over until they get the desired outcome.

Though all things considered I'd say it's not too bad, as it seems some checks and balances are in place and even occasionally work unlike in other places. I just think the Swiss system of democracy is often over-idealized. While we get to vote a whole lot, only seldom the people really get their will.

He wrote "close to that" (direct democracy), so his point is quite valid. Switzerland is an exception, most of the people are really trying to put their ego aside, choosing a vote and the participation is quite low, because the government serves most people well (not only a tad more than 50%). On the other hand, Switzerland is quite wealthy and heavily import dependent, so you need good politics, or the good old pitchforks and torches are out on the streets again   Pretty respectful people and government, as i know it. Hell, using LSD legally in psychotherapy tells a lot about an obviously open culture. Still, they obey to their rules.
But then again, no democracy is perfect.

In fact, having a 50/50 democratic system like in the USA is about the second worst as democracy can get, considering i still can't decide if a 100% democracy is either the best or the worst it can get. You always have the disadvantage of power (for lack of a better descriptive term) for almost half of the citizens. 51% makes a majority by definition, but there is still 49% of interest conflict in this dualistic "democracy".

On topic:
Bitcoin, do something, so we can post more on-topic stuff herein!
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It's a bit unclear if the droppening will continue anytime soon. Judged by the liquidity that some might want to grab from the longs, there could be some more down.
We could go up moar from here, too. I haven't seen a combined order book, but with all the bot action on exchanges in the last few years, the OTC volumes that aren't reflected in any books, and the political noise that's mostly impressing those spot and ETF traders, do orderbooks even remotely reflect how the market is set up around the current price anymore?





EDITED because i quit writing mid sentence and hit "save".  again

[philipma1957]

I am ready for bear and will chase down below 70k if it happens.

NEED TO KEEP SELLING OTHER ITEMS OFF ON EBAY.

[ChartBuddy]

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[JayJuanGee]

Don't be retarded.  The ONLY real meaningful invention with any of the "cryptos" is proof of work.

Agreed, that’s how it started, but look how it’s going.

Given the whole state of affairs it could have been much worse - perhaps somewhere in 2023 when Blackrock started promoting bitcoin rather than directly fighting it, the outward battle of bitcoin with status quo powers that be shifted from the powers that be fighting against bitcoin and into a phase in which co-optation became the new objective.

We still have gotten about a 5x price improvement coming in spite of that battle - even though there are various other financial freedom battles that are ongoing - and perhaps greedy status quo players, even BlackRock would prefer to weaken the golden goose rather than to kill it - since it seems that a decently large amount of bitcoin's value come from abilities to transact directly with it and to store it without 3-rd party intermediaries.. yet it seems that they are likely these various powers that be are engaged in trying to preserve in ways that they can use it directly yet keeping the masses from gaining those same powers and abilities through dee cornz.

I am ready for bear and will chase down below 70k if it happens.
NEED TO KEEP SELLING OTHER ITEMS OFF ON EBAY.

You are not really providing any news that is new.

It seems that one of your favorite things is to prepare and be prepared for bear, which is part of the reason that you have never allowed any cornz to burn your pockets (or your wallets).

Are the odds that we are in bear becoming greater than 50/50.. not that I know exactly where it starts to be considered as bear.

The depth of correction of this lates round - from about 17 hours ago (as I type this post) was $86k.

Our low point from the correction of the past 4.5-ish months got us down to right around $80.5k.

Our low point from April 2025 was $74,434.

In determining bear it is a product of how low will the price go and how long will it stay down that likely helps to determine if we had gone into a bear rather than still being in a bull (with some set-backs), and we might not agree on those definitions and/or thresholds.

Two weeks ago, when our BTC prices were heading up and touched upon $98k, there were already some bear-wannabe "spin artist" proclaiming that we already had our bear blah blah blah.. which would be a pretty weak-ass definition of a bear if we were to end up going up from here, rather than going down.. 

[ChartBuddy]

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[bct_ail]

I have 22 Morgan dollars left                    worth  about  1875 not listed

and the 18oz set of horse riders of death.   worth about 1980 listed for 1999

Hard to believe these profits.

It seems that you are the expert here when it comes to selling silver coins at ebay. Perhaps you would like to help me.

I have some Kennedy half dollar coins from 1964  that I want to sell. What would be the best way to do this?
I have found out that this coin has a silver content of 11.25 grams. That is approximately 0.3617 oz. With the approximate price of silver at $110 that would be around $40. Can I calculate it that way and would I get this  amount from a coin dealer or would I get a better price on ebay?