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[tarmi]

let's test that 4 k wall!

[NotLambchop]

Wham! The dicks are really out & swinging!

[inca]

^
So...  Moon?

Moon is breaching 1166 on high volume.

I was stating the current situation. As far as trend changes go, if this is it, it will look pretty obvious in the rear view mirror..

[billyjoeallen]

let's test that 4 k wall!

I hope it gets a test. That means I get a bunch more coins right in front of it! If you think bulls are out of fiat, think again. Central banks print it out of thin air. Other banks create it out of thin air also by fractional lending. Money supply (M3) is growing at an exponential rate and the only real taper is in the bitcoin source code.

[tarmi]

here we go again with this central bank story. I dont find any connection between that wall and central banks. 


Bearstamp Y ARENT U BUYING ? !?

[hdbuck]

miss that dude : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=24670

Bitcoin is not a payment network

Published on Wednesday 25 June 2014 in English
Tags: bitcoin, bitpay, cash, coinbase, inflation, obligatory trilema whoring, on n'accepte pas les chèques.



Bitcoin is often presented as a payment network.

I think this happens because it is more convenient to ignore the more politically controversial aspects of Bitcoin.

After all, everyone agrees that credit cards suck. You’re basically giving your private key to entities so they can charge you what they want; fraud is very high and the fixes are inconvenient two-factor authentication systems. When you’re used to Bitcoin, where you only sign transactions, this is laughable. Merchants also enjoy the certainty of no chargebacks and small entities do not get fucked by bank fees.

So Bitcoin does all of this better than credit cards, however, it is mostly because the state-backed banking monopoly and the mountain of “regulations”.

There’s no reason we could not have payment systems with instant payments, policies against chargebacks, secure transaction signing, etc.

Ripple is actually quite close to that, if you ignore their own altcoin bullshit; but I doubt Ripple would survive regulation if it ever becomes too popular.

Bitcoin detractors that interact with the poorly informed “bitcoin community” will retort that Bitcoin has many issues as a payment network, and they will be right.
If you only want buy stuff, the price fluctuation risk is incredibly annoying. Of course, that’s what Coinbase wants you to forget, because they always try to fuck you on that aspect. They’ve even automated the fucking2.
Critics will also say that it does not scale. The blockchain as a payment network truly cannot handle the transaction volume of, say, Mastercard.

Unless you are bitcoin-rich, or have a bitcoin income, there is very little incentive to use Bitcoin to buy things online. So while merchants accepting Bitcoin take very little risk as payment processors give them the exact fiat amount they want, I do not think they get much volume from bitcoiners. MP goes as far as to say as payment processors are “not in Bitcoin”; I disagree, in the sense that payment processors are exchanges3. While those payment processors have no business long-term, they are very useful in the short term.

Decentralization is a compromise. Bitcoin as an ubiquitous payment network will not happen on the blockchain, and it will likely be through centralized services. The future of Bitcoin payments is to use the blockchain as a clearing house tool and for long-term savings, and there’s nothing wrong about that.

Because what Bitcoin really is is digital cash and digital gold.

Bitcoins are an extremely secure, unseizable asset that you can actually own; unlike how most fiat currency is used, bitcoins in your wallet are a not debt to you and are not exposed to fractional reserves.
It is much more convenient to hold and secure than fiat cash, and fiat cash only works in physical transactions (and is sometimes not even allowed).

Moreover, its limited supply is anything but a random choice; it is a clear message against governmental central banking policies. And it’s not so that it is deflationary, it is more that the monetary policy is known in advance and impossible to change. Bitcoin with an constant but reasonable inflation4 would not be so different.

And this is what we have really been longing for.

http://pankkake.headfucking.net/


ps: hoarders are the real heroes

[NotLambchop]

Cut to
>Dingy motel room, billyjoeallen banging blow and some hooker while screeching

...Central banks print it out of thin air. Other banks create it out of thin air also by fractional lending. Money supply (M3) is growing at an exponential rate and the only real taper is in the bitcoin source code.

Explains everything.

[tarmi]

I must admit you got a hell of a sense of humor.

please continue!

[WeltMaster]

Can we just limit bitcoin mining to something only standard GPU's can do?

Or at least something everybody with a PC can have a reasonably even share in?

I loved bitcoin years ago because I used to mine myself, and even with only a little reward, it helped me understand it all. But today it is silly unless you can invest 5 figures +++.

And as we push to even faster ASICs there seems to be a trend of centralisation being set up in the bitcoin mining, where one person/group can own a large chunk of hashing power, and this is only getting worse over time.

With this added centralisation comes the added risk of malicious actors and a distrust in the very verification process that is so sound and secure.

Are we looking for a solution to this or is the consensus that it is either inevitable or not a threat?

[ChartBuddy]

Explanation

[cryptobuff]

Can we just limit bitcoin mining to something only standard GPU's can do?

Or at least something everybody with a PC can have a reasonably even share in?

I loved bitcoin years ago because I used to mine myself, and even with only a little reward, it helped me understand it all. But today it is silly unless you can invest 6 figures +++.

And as we push to even faster ASICs there seems to be a trend of centralisation being set up in the bitcoin mining, where one person/group can own a large chunk of hashing power, and this is only getting worse over time.

With this added centralisation comes the added risk of malicious actors and a distrust in the very verification process that is so sound and secure.

Are we looking for a solution to this or is the consensus that it is either inevitable or not a threat?

If you want a coin that does what you describe there are tons of altcoins out there that do just that. I think it is good that there is some centralization in bitcoin mining. I am an electrical engineer and how I view it is when companies push the limits of asics design, it also pushes the limit of other technologies to follow it. If everybody could mine on there own computer then there would be no incentive to come up with more advanced technology to mine.

[JorgeStolfi]

And as we push to even faster ASICs there seems to be a trend of centralisation being set up in the bitcoin mining, where one person/group can own a large chunk of hashing power, and this is only getting worse over time.

With this added centralisation comes the added risk of malicious actors and a distrust in the very verification process that is so sound and secure.

Are we looking for a solution to this or is the consensus that it is either inevitable or not a threat?

AFAIK, the consensus is that it is an inevitable consequence of free and unregulated market, and people are hoping that the worst will not happen.

[hdbuck]

Can we just limit bitcoin mining to something only standard GPU's can do?
Or at least something everybody with a PC can have a reasonably even share in?
I loved bitcoin years ago because I used to mine myself, and even with only a little reward, it helped me understand it all. But today it is silly unless you can invest 6 figures +++.
And as we push to even faster ASICs there seems to be a trend of centralisation being set up in the bitcoin mining, where one person/group can own a large chunk of hashing power, and this is only getting worse over time.
With this added centralisation comes the added risk of malicious actors and a distrust in the very verification process that is so sound and secure.
Are we looking for a solution to this or is the consensus that it is either inevitable or not a threat?

trust lays in the most powerful network.
250 Ph is not bad.. but bring on the Hexash Era.

[Natalia]

Hello everybody, i new in here, where price of BTC go next? Should i buy now, or wait one day longer?
Price seems very low right now? I already have 30 but i want more.

[janos666]

Hello everybody, i new in here, where price of BTC go next? Should i buy now, or wait one day longer?
Price seems very low right now? I already have 30 but i want more.

Ask ChartBuddy, he seems to be really confident.

[fonzie]

Holy Shizzle! Former ATH is back! 

[WeltMaster]

Okay, some good points, thanks!

Does anybody audit some of the bigger mining pools? Are their intentions public?

I really should be doing some research into them but its Saturday and I was hoping to watch some big green candles

[mah87]

In 6months everybody here will buy massively some xrp =D I'm so sure of it ahhaha

[cryptobuff]

So far this weekend has been very uneventful. Where is the trading frenzy?

[Natalia]

Hello everybody, i new in here, where price of BTC go next? Should i buy now, or wait one day longer?
Price seems very low right now? I already have 30 but i want more.

Ask ChartBuddy, he seems to be really confident.

Do you have mail adress from Mr./Mrs. Chartbuddy?