Casascius issues - Dollar Premium estimates - all in one place....

[Blaater]

I was under the impression that the 25 BTC coin cost around 26-28 btc

I think that is too low. There was a recent (12-2016) sale of a redeemed 25 btc that was listed for 1.25BTC in his sales topic. So a non-redeemed should fetch a solid premium. But I think most of the sales of the 25 had to be done in a rush and people had no time to wait for a good offer, hence the 26-28BTC that some people have in mind.

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[GMPoison]

Interesting but the numbers are quite a bit off, all you have to do is check the prices of what recently sold coins went for.

[monkeynuts]

Yep definitely off the mark. I also don't agree in placing fiat values against physical cryptos. That suggests prices are more affected by the btc rates than they are

[ezeminer]

ALL PRICES INCLUDE FUNDED VALUE

These prices are total prices that I am providing based on very rough estimates on the current & past market. ALL COINS should be priced in BTC (excluding the 1000BTC gold)
All prices also vary based on condition & grade if provided which may change prices drastically depending on ANACS population reports and clarity.

0.1 BTC Silver
2013
Fairly scarce. At a guess I would say these should command something like a US$ 200 premium over the BTC content.
~0.4-0.6

0.5 BTC Brass
2013
Relatively common. US$ 150
~0.7-0.85

0.5 BTC Silver, Series-2
2013
Extremely rare. Must be be close to US$ 1,000 and perhaps more I would have thought.
Nubbins is the only one that I know that has these. His price is 20-25BTC

Correction: A public auction was made for 11.0BTC while the record sales are held by nubbins for 14 & 15
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1288178.msg13251279#msg13251279

0.5 BTC Silver, Series-3
2013
Scarce. US$ 500.
~0.9-1.1

1.0 BTC Brass, Series-1
2011
Common but highly desirable because of the error. US$ 500 to US$ 1,000. This coins ought to be the easiest one to put a dollar premium on.
~1.2-2.0

1.0 BTC Brass, Series-2 (2011)
2011
Scarce but less desirable than the error issue. US$ 400-500 ?

1.0 BTC Brass, Series-2 (2012)
2012
Common. US$ 300.

1.0 BTC Brass, Series-2 (2013)
2013
Common. US$ 300.
~0.2-0.35

1.0 BTC All-Silver
2013
Scarce. US$750
~2.25-2.75

1.0 BTC Silver with Gold Trim
2013
Very scarce and desirable. US$ 1,000-US$ 1,500.
~2.5-3.0

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

10 BTC, All-Silver
2012
Rare. US$ 2,000
~16.0-19.0

10 BTC, Silver with Gold Trim
2012
Rare. US$ 2,000
~16.0-19.0

25 BTC, Series-1
2011
Rare. Hard to value the premium as the face value is already so high. Say US$ 5,000?
~25.5-27.0

25 BTC, Series-2
2011
Ditto. Rare. Hard to value the premium as the face value is already so high. Say US$ 5,000?
~25.5-27.0

1000 BTC 1oz Gold
2012
Impossible to value in the absence of any reported sales and in light of the very high face value.
Only Known/rumored sale by Goat for $1M


All the numbers I provide are rough estimates on the market. It is highly recommended that someone proofread these numbers as I am unsure on bitnickels and 2011 brass.

Edit: Just minor edits to edits within edits.

[dazedfool]

VERSION 2

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Funded 670
Redeemd 80
Active 590
Scarce. US$ 1,500-2000.

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Funded 572
Redeemed 123
Active 449
Scarce. US$ 1,500-2,000.

I'll sell a set of both bitnickels together (in MS67) for a mere US$6000 premium! 

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

OR for 5BTC premium, buyer's choice!   

[BG4]

And this is why I stay away from Casascius coins..

[ezeminer]

VERSION 2

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Funded 670
Redeemd 80
Active 590
Scarce. US$ 1,500-2000.

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Funded 572
Redeemed 123
Active 449
Scarce. US$ 1,500-2,000.

I'll sell a set of both bitnickels together (in MS67) for a mere US$6000 premium! 

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

OR for 5BTC premium, buyer's choice!   

So dazed I'll get a cut, right?

Also added that those quotes include the total value of a funded coin *cough cough*

[dazedfool]

VERSION 2

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Funded 670
Redeemd 80
Active 590
Scarce. US$ 1,500-2000.

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Funded 572
Redeemed 123
Active 449
Scarce. US$ 1,500-2,000.

I'll sell a set of both bitnickels together (in MS67) for a mere US$6000 premium! 

5 BTC, Series-1
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

5 BTC, Series-2
2012
Scarce. US$ 1,500.
~6.0-8.0

OR for 5BTC premium, buyer's choice!   

So dazed I'll get a cut, right?

Also added that those quotes include the total value of a funded coin *cough cough*

I would offer a finder's fee to anyone able to link me with a buyer...

[elianite]

Happy to see that we are starting to recognize that USD premium is a prudent thing to track

[monkeynuts]

And for the rest of the global population not living in the US ?

Why not track in Euros, or Gold ?

[TMAN]

WTF is this shit...  its supply and demand more than anything, the premium will change based on sellers V buyers. not £/$ or BTC...

[miffman]

Casascius premiums should always be measured against BTC, since most of us buy and sell cas coins in BTC. To measure it against anything else means you're measuring casascius coins vs BTC vs that anything else. The premium of a cas coin in anything else other than BTC is a bad indicator of growth.

[astrocity1981]

This is a terrible list where are you getting the numbers from? I think Casascius coins premiums have gone down because lack of new buyers. If we have some more people interested in the future the premiums will start to go up again. Please only measure prices in BTC if you want to measure in fiat go on ebay.

[HabBear]

Thanks for changing it back to BTC premium estimates.

No estimates should be made in fiat. We operate in Bitcoin here. None of the sales conducted on this site are facilitated with fiat. Also, by estimating premium in fiat you suggest that the premium should go down in terms of BTC as the price per BTC rises.

Full adoption won't occur until we stop thinking of Bitcoin in the terms of its fiat conversion.

[Gatorelf]

I'm glad to see the .1 silver gets it's Numismatic respect

[wheelz1200]

Didnt read the entire thread but $2k usd premium on the 10btc cas.  If you have some be sure to pm me i will take what you have off you hands 

[Quickseller]

0.1 BTC Silver
2013
Funded 800
Redeemed 8
Active 792

Fairly scarce. At a guess I would say these should command something like a US$ 200 premium over the BTC content.

I don't think I have ever seen a cas dime sell for 0.37BTC...

[AT101ET]

0.1 BTC Silver
2013
Funded 800
Redeemed 8
Active 792

Fairly scarce. At a guess I would say these should command something like a US$ 200 premium over the BTC content.

I don't think I have ever seen a cas dime sell for 0.37BTC...

There have been a few auctions for ungraded Cas tenths on the forum lately and the prices seem to have gone for between 0.37-0.5 BTC a piece.
Again, those lower prices are due to the rise in BTC value.

[coin@coin]

I tend to agree, if BTC falls a bit in price premiums are going to grow.

[davidgdg]

Anybody want to have a go at revising the numbers in light of, ahem, recent price rises?

Happy to use BTC premiums if people prefer. Also need to make clear if numbers are just the premium or total price?

Ideally, we would use recent sales .....