QTUM - calling all S-C-A-M Hunters. Billionaires, whales, chinese exchanges??

[Spoetnik]

And so now we have Roger Ver associated with DASH and QTUM, so that is allegedly two scams already.

And ?

Start a Roger Ver is a monster in the Altcoin scene topic then.
And again i am not for or against the guy either.
Indifferent.


EDIT:
Blows me away the topic below this one is Risto's forum game topic.. do i have to point out why that is bad ? Again ?

I love how you focus like a laser beam on one guy and ignore the other you know well for years on end.

[iamnotback]

And so now we have Roger Ver associated with DASH and QTUM, so that is allegedly two scams already.

And ?

Start a Roger Ver is a monster in the Altcoin scene topic then.

Did I write Roger Ver is a scammer? No.

I merely wrote that two of his recent affiliations are allegedly scams. Don't know yet if there is definite connection or pattern. He may just be gullible.

I listened to him some and read a bit of his writings and he appears to me to be reasonably ill-informed (and perhaps even technologically impaired). But I don't know much about him yet.

[KlauserMan]

I think this topic's purpose is to generate confusion in the community.
Before saying that someone did something , you should think if you have proof.
If you have proof , you should think if it is valid , do some research before.
Anyway , the ICO should be incoming , so just be careful with your BTC , people!

[cryptohunter]

And so now we have Roger Ver associated with DASH and QTUM, so that is allegedly two scams already.

And ?

Start a Roger Ver is a monster in the Altcoin scene topic then.
And again i am not for or against the guy either.
Indifferent.


EDIT:
Blows me away the topic below this one is Risto's forum game topic.. do i have to point out why that is bad ? Again ?

I love how you focus like a laser beam on one guy and ignore the other you know well for years on end.

WOW the new protector of anything related to dash. Stop bringing up xmr as a diversion to everything.

VER is said to be supporting 2 scams. What do you say that refutes this? If he is not supporting the dash scam (that you fully recognise as a scam) and qtum that is founded by a scammer?

Why are you indifferent to him?

I dont see you being slow or indifferent to other people that support scams?

If he is supporting scams then this needs to be known and highlighted and if he not aware perhaps he should be notified.

If you have turned in to a dash supporter now I want to know why.

Again I ask you to answer yes or no

Is dash a scam?

This is the 3rd time I am asking you this same question and each time you are avoiding it.

Is dash a scam??? ...YES OR NO

[Spoetnik]

I'd say we have no more proof of scam or manipulation for Dash, Monero or Qtum.
It's not easy to have a smoking gun.. we can't see inside people's heads.
They loiter in a grey area of plausible deniability.. circumstantial shit etc.

What i do see is liars from Monero and honest answers from Dash guys.
If there are negative aspects to the coin etc then so what.. put it on the table.
Monero assholes don't.. they lie their ass off (For Years)

And Qtum ?
A lot more suspicious looking than both combined and.. an ICO !
And you will notice there is a HUGE team of silence LOL

So i see 1 group silent.
I see 1 vocal and fairly honest and up front about shit.
And the last one who loiters around trolling and denying they have skeletons in their closet.

You all can tell which is which i am sure

PS:
I have no intention of owning any of those 3 coins EVER !

[cryptohunter]

I'd say we have no more proof of scam or manipulation for Dash, Monero or Qtum.
It's not easy to have a smoking gun.. we can't see inside people's heads.
They loiter in a grey area of plausible deniability.. circumstantial shit etc.

What i do see is liars from Monero and honest answers from Dash guys.
If there are negative aspects to the coin etc then so what.. put it on the table.
Monero assholes don't.. they lie their ass off (For Years)

And Qtum ?
A lot more suspicious looking than both combined and.. an ICO !
And you will notice there is a HUGE team of silence LOL

So i see 1 group silent.
I see 1 vocal and fairly honest and up front about shit.
And the last one who loiters around trolling and denying they have skeletons in their closet.

You all can tell which is which i am sure

PS:
I have no intention of owning any of those 3 coins EVER !

hmm so you group dash in with xmr and qtum as scams.

I mean you said dash was an ultra scam in 2014 and hate xmr so that is good enough i guess. qtum as you know has it seems a founder that is a scammer.

A lot of your comments lately look very pro dash.

I think in anti dash threads you should not contaminate them with defence based around xmr and eth. These are separate issues and do not justify other scams.

for example you had no doubts here of dash  being ultra scammy. Don't dout it now. This nonsense about intent is toks rebuttal you you back then and you didn't stand for that obvious nonsense then why bring that argument you refuted back then up now.

wow that is pretty nasty and the only negative i have focused on before was that it's a clone of Quark with another algo tacked on to it.
..sad it just looks wore and worse all the time for this ultra scammy coin !

just because you think xmr is worse or qtum is worse (perhaps they are) still dash is ultra scammy too.

I have no idea why you struggle just to say yes dash is a scam when you called it ultra scammy in the past. Nothing has changed about it.

anyway repeating the same stuff about dash become tiring as with other scams ....

[Spoetnik]

I think you are just jealous of Dash being a Monero Cult Member Zealot.
Dash just keeps going up & up and Monero is like a rock in your xmas stocking  
Come to terms with it you picked the wrong coin to bag-hold.
[FACTS] = Dash rocks your face !

You learned your lesson to huh ?
NEVER use my "FACTS" tag man.. mod's will fuck you up !    

But seriously, you have shown yourself to be a rabid manic Dash hater here big time.. WHY ?
Did Evan steal your your Girl-Friend or what ?
Did he put his seed in your sisters belly ? ..i don't get it  

I bring the FACTS !

What do you bring ? A whole lot of trolling topics the staff here have to delete.
Don't believe me people ? Scroll down he had two of them removed today alone.

Why should i play along with a fanatical spaz ?
Seek professional help.. you can flop on your back and rail on about the evil Spoetnik.  

PS:
Dash = $46.19 ..and rising       

[cryptohunter]

I think you are just jealous of Dash being a Monero Cult Member Zealot.
Dash just keeps going up & up and Monero is like a rock in your xmas stocking  
Come to terms with it you picked the wrong coin to bag-hold.
[FACTS] = Dash rocks your face !

You learned your lesson to huh ?
NEVER use my "FACTS" tag man.. mod's will fuck you up !    

But seriously, you have shown yourself to be a rabid manic Dash hater here big time.. WHY ?
Did Evan steal your your Girl-Friend or what ?
Did he put his seed in your sisters belly ? ..i don't get it  

I bring the FACTS !

What do you bring ? A whole lot of trolling topics the staff here have to delete.
Don't believe me people ? Scroll down he had two of them removed today alone.

Why should i play along with a fanatical spaz ?
Seek professional help.. you can flop on your back and rail on about the evil Spoetnik.  

PS:
Dash = $46.19 ..and rising        

So now you come clean have you been paid off and are on evans payroll?
Your credibility is now zero

Show one shred of support i have even give xmr. Come with your facts ?? you attempt diversion only.

Your post history shows a dash conversion born of a pay off. Others have noticed and I notice it now.

You were in financial issues and on welfare nobody will blame you just come clean now.

Don't try to divert because nobody will ever believe I have anything to do with xmr. So that diversion will not work.

I won't be drawn into any personal swearing or gf childish remarks.

Bring your facts and defend you sudden change of heart ... no diversion no swearing no foul language just the facts and reasoning... lets see what you bring.

From Ultra scam coin to cheer leader for the same coin?? I think not.

Explain and not with the usual ranting and nonsense.

Its simple why the change of heart from ultra scam coin to cheer leading dash along and defending it on every opportunity under the guise of hating other scams.

You are simply another dash shill there is clear indication of this just from viewing your post history. Unless you are on welfare for personality disorders. This is another serious question not an attempt to make fun of your personal problems.

Are you okay spoetnik I'm worried about you.

Also learn to count they locked 1 and it was probably you that whined to them because you did not want to answer.

[gredisgold88]

yes , maybe an investor confidence in Qtum is necessary, but without txid + signmessage for BTC still can not be called Qtum will be scams, and deception of patrick et al have not proven to be true, just chatlog and some opinions.

[Spoetnik]

Topic title ? LOL

OK i'll play along.. cryptohunter

When Dark Coin launched i did not like it.
I also did not notice when they re-branded it etc i think i was away / not paying attention.
I was not watching ANN topics of coins i did not like back in early 2014.

I never supported Dash ..i always said it's not as bad as Monero.
Why ? Mainly the fanatical shill's that spew BS here.
I HAVE seen the Monero crew post a lot of dumb crap here.
If you go back far enough you can find them saying the opposite of any major statement a LOT !
In other words they have contradicted themselves lots or outright lied.
Hell look at my Trust Rating.
And i had issues with them far before that since day 1 pretty much.
2 years ago i made a topic mimic'ing Risto's .. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=772035.0

I never had any pay off in the slightest.
I simply seen the two going at it since day 1 and i had to take a side when i seen the Monero crap.
It started with Monero guys aggressively spamming this forum while simultaneously denying it.

Not much more to it than that.. sorry no grand conspiracy, sorry to let you down.

By the way i even defended iGotSpots 

[iamnotback]

tl;dr is @Spoetnik is more concerned with ego than facts.

He seems to be entirely oblivious to the egregious distinction of decentralization between the two coins he is writing about.

So he is an example of exactly what he complains about: the ignorance of speculators.

[topesis]

And so now we have Roger Ver associated with DASH and QTUM, so that is allegedly two scams already.

I waiting for the day he is going to go through with his threat and sell his claimed Bitcoin stash, this is someone that Bitcoin made and decided to block the obvious choice to scale Bitcoin because the blockstream team excluded him from the SegWit cake

[iamnotback]

And so now we have Roger Ver associated with DASH and QTUM, so that is allegedly two scams already.

I waiting for the day he is going to go through with his threat and sell his claimed Bitcoin stash, this is someone that Bitcoin made and decided to block the obvious choice to scale Bitcoin because the blockstream team excluded him from the SegWit cake

Doesn't Ver also control bitcoin.com? I am guessing that his ego is larger than his brain. He is probably trying to avoid his share of the blockchain networth exponentially diluting, but this is the folly of fools. Being a whale due to fortuitous timing and/or work, must accompany the humbleness to appreciate that your individual role must be diluted in order for the overall system to grow exponentially. Click the quoted link about seniorage below as an analogy.

Currency never holds value.

Please distinguish between the corrupt seniorage system of fiat and that of correctly distributed crypto-currency.

Corrupt top-down controlled systems rot and decay. Decentralized paradigms are antifragile. Gold is no longer decentralized because it has lost its unit-of-account and unit-of-exchange usage, thus the market makers (for liquidity) are top-down controlled.

Ver seems to want to be involved with systems which violate that principle and try to have fiat masters who continue to receive seniorage ongoing as follows:

Dash corporation is the similar to Paypal corporation , it's noting more than a for profit company.

https://medium.com/@omiros23/evans-and-dash-s-scam-story-add1f16528ae#.7jubjh3s2

How is that different than fluffypony running a Gambling web site that was hacked ?
Who was also paid by a millionaire who admitted to buying half a million dollars worth of Monero way back ? (in today's money)

What part of Monero's protocol doesn't transfer tokens to anyone except if they burn electricity do you not comprehend?

If you can't understand the relevance of that distinction to decentralization, then you are not qualified to tell anyone about crypto.

tl;dr is @Spoetnik is more concerned with ego than facts.

He seems to be entirely oblivious to the egregious distinction of decentralization between the two coins he is writing about.

So he is an example of exactly what he complains about: the ignorance of speculators.

And he appears to be collaborating with manipulation experts (Casey Research and pink sheets mining stocks mining the speculators):

Re: Roger Ver Send First 100k Payment in Dash

I must remark that the ability to manipulate the FOMO ignorance of speculators with irrelevant hype is the hallmark of a system where the insiders have worked out some "I'll scratch your back, if you scratch mine" deal. Such deals are possible because the system is not decentralized, but in actuality the private fiat system of those who are profiting off the ability to offer special deals because of the insider control over the money supply and ongoing issue of the money supply.

In short, "Evan Inc" in all likelihood made a deal with Roger Ver and Casey Research. Everybody gets paid off with your money. More dumb "greater fools" money is drawn in, rinse, repeat, and everybody is happy.

What they've done is brought the pink sheets mining stocks corruption (which Casey Research is intimately involved with) into our ecosystem.

Speculation markets are ruled top-down. The only way to move away from "mining the speculators" is to trump them in the adoption market.

I think Ethereum is also in this "mine the speculator" business model:

@iamnotback but you do realise that, compared to all other projects out there ( except bitcoin since it was first ) ethereum is really undervalued, that if you take under consideration the whole ecosystem it has build around it. I mean, if clones like dash can have 1/4 of ethereum's cap it's really sad.
Also, leaving aside everything that makes ethereum what it is today, it also brought blockchain developing as a job into the mainstream.

I agree unless someone demonstrates that both Dash and Ethereum are not truly viable for adoption and another way is. Then you can see both of them implode, if they can't adopt that other paradigm quickly enough.

That is a lot of "ifs". For the near-term, I agree with you that the likely outcome is more interest piled into these (what I think are "mine the speculator") paradigms.

[olubams]

Its so unfortunate that things turned out this way for Qtum if they never knew before and on the other hand I am happy if they knew because a lot of investors would have been saved by this eye opening happening right before the ICO. After reading the release of Patrick Daily admitting that he was really involved in bit bay, I just found his excuse not convincing enough which I am sure will go a large extent in determining whether Qtum is dead on arrival or not...

[cryptohunter]

who is this latest defender of qtum?

Jordan Earlz?

I see him in the qtum thread now? who is this person apparently a well known figure in BTC?

I have head earlz mentioned before I think way back by bcx but then never heard of him again.

What's his deal being tied up in this?

[gredisgold88]

increasingly cornered to the OP, where ico Qtum can be raised over $ 10 million, is a crowdsale explosion that occurred in mid-semester. although there is drama in the team Qtum, but raise more than $ 10 million is a pride by the team Qtum.

[favdesu]

increasingly cornered to the OP, where ico Qtum can be raised over $ 10 million, is a crowdsale explosion that occurred in mid-semester. although there is drama in the team Qtum, but raise more than $ 10 million is a pride by the team Qtum.

where's the proof of 10m?

worst try to shill here bro.

[gredisgold88]

increasingly cornered to the OP, where ico Qtum can be raised over $ 10 million, is a crowdsale explosion that occurred in mid-semester. although there is drama in the team Qtum, but raise more than $ 10 million is a pride by the team Qtum.

where's the proof of 10m?

worst try to shill here bro.

maybe you can see here, not exactly 10m, but 10k btc and 60k eth,it's worth $ 12m. and made me even more interested in roadmap to wait until next year.

[stormia]

increasingly cornered to the OP, where ico Qtum can be raised over $ 10 million, is a crowdsale explosion that occurred in mid-semester. although there is drama in the team Qtum, but raise more than $ 10 million is a pride by the team Qtum.

where's the proof of 10m?

worst try to shill here bro.

maybe you can see here, not exactly 10m, but 10k btc and 60k eth,it's worth $ 12m. and made me even more interested in roadmap to wait until next year.

Lmao that is not proof whatsoever. That's their own website, they can say whatever they want. How gullible/stupid are you? You do realize one of the key advantages of a blockchain is that you can verify transactions without having to trust a 3rd party, right? Lol. How has this very key concept been lost on you?

If they have the funds all they have to do (and all they can do) to prove that is to share tx ids or addresses for them, but they still haven't done that despite people asking for proof since the end of the ICO (really nobody should have to ask in the first place). In otherwords, they didn't raise the funds they are claiming to have raised. Not much of a suprised considering the project was exposed for being run by a known previous scammer (Dai) along with numerous other shady aspects to the project/ICO. Only a fool would trust them with their money.

I hope for your sake you didn't fall for that and give them your money.

[Gleb Gamow]

Is it verified true?? and do these whales and other prestigious btc figures know its (QTUMS) founder is unraveling as previous scammer? How to contact roger ver I hope he has not been duped? is he even involved or perhaps they are just name dropping to garner support and legitimacy. What about the legit Billionaire?

What's up with QTUM - looks great - invested in by billionaires - backed by BTC whales - new chinese exchanges ready to accept and trade - great sig campaign - forbes, crypto publications all love it .... looked like a great new project right??

I thought it looked and sounded very appealing and was going to throw my usual btc weight around 0.1 - 0.25 btc for rare and promising ico gems.

But wait I am told 2 days ago that the founder is steven dai (now calling himself patrick dai) a known scammer extracting over 200BTC from bitbays investors and then refusing to do any work at all on the project ....but rather just take the 200 BTC and start his own new project QTUM

IS THIS CORRECT?? - seems like that shouldn't really work out too well.?

Is it even true there are billionaires, rodger ver and other very well known members of the btc community backing this or is that all just a load of scam propaganda?

I would love to see the real scam investigators look into this before 100% drawing conclusions about it.

I went to the qtum thread to hear more about it and there is nobody there with any real authority or knowledge to comment on it.

I have no investigative skills. So who can help us all out here and find out if this really is the very same steven dai that is a known scammer.

These guys need to be notified asap too... if you know how to directly contact any of them perhaps we should do our bit to at least give them the chance in investigate this themselves.

blah blah.... Chen Weixing, the billionaire founder of Kuaidi being in the fold, there is Anthony Di Iorio, Ethereum founder and CEO of JaxxWallet; Jeremy Gardner, co-founder of Augur and EIR at Blockchain Capital; David Lee Cuo Chuen, founder of Left Coast, Libai, and DLEE Capital Management.

Then there is Bo Shen, General Partner at Fenbushi Capital; Jehan Chu, Managing Partner at Jen Advisors; Qingzhong Gao, director of Huawei Strategic Cooperation; Xu Star, OKCoin CEO; Lihua Yi; and, Partner of ZhongWo Investment. Add to that Xiaolai Li, one of biggest bitcoin holders in the world and a Blockchain Angel backer.

This is like the DD and scrutiny all these ICOs should go through reall especially the big ones.

It starts in march so we have time to analyse all of this thoroughly.

Great project or scammer self enrichment scheme building up steem?

This is not a techincal analysis of the project this is an investigation into the possible scammer who is the founder and probably main beneficiary of this project

scam project or scammer or what?


Nothing except blatantly off topic or copious swearing will be deleted. If you don't like it create your own thread and say anything you like.

What should happen if there is fire to accompany this toxic smoke?

This is the first time I've seen this thread. I've been active in Qtum's thread since March. They love me over there. My nickname is Old Man Haz Got No Job. See my last post.