Is it time to get rid of Linux/JavaScript/Python kids?

[organofcorti]

I'd thought that the "gun control" conversations got heated and rude. Who'da thought there'd be way more rudeness about computer OS's, eh myrkul?

[myrkul]

I'd thought that the "gun control" conversations got heated and rude. Who'da thought there'd be way more rudeness about computer OS's, eh myrkul?

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

[rpg]

IMO, beside the scammers, the incompetence of these kids is one of the biggest obstacles to solid Bitcoin services.

How about some industrial-strength Microsoft Web servers, ASP MVC, .NET and C++ programming of the adults?

PHP - free
Lynux - free
Phython - free
mysql - free

get the point? I wish I had the time to put something together, but guess what, I work. These kids dream to be one day programmers making tons of money, but think free open software is the way to go. Wondering how they are going to live working for free lol. Linux has only come this far because of the huge amounts of money companies like Google have spent on it to customize it to their needs and saving a ton of money in the process, money that was given to them by the fools that spent countless hours working on it at night. The Google investors thank you all

[Tonko]

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

C'mon myrkul. I understand that making a porn site in Czech Republic cheaply, with all the free Linux and JS tools, does make you biased a bit.
But you just use, not understand the technology. You are basically techno pimp.

[organofcorti]

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

C'mon myrkul. I understand that making a porn site in Czech Republic cheaply, with all the free Linux and JS tools, does make you biased a bit.
But you just use, not understand the technology. You are basically techno pimp.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[myrkul]

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

C'mon myrkul. I understand that making a porn site in Czech Republic cheaply, with all the free Linux and JS tools, does make you biased a bit.
But you just use, not understand the technology. You are basically techno pimp.

Wut?

If I have a Czech porn site, I don't know about it. Shouldn't I be getting some income from that? Dammit, where's my cut?

[oakpacific]

I'd thought that the "gun control" conversations got heated and rude. Who'da thought there'd be way more rudeness about computer OS's, eh myrkul?

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

Bill Gates is too smart to say such things.

[linuxer]

I don't know about javascript/Python but linux users are not kid at all.
I bet you don't even know what sudo is.

Windows/MAC users are real kids. They need GUI to do simple works.

and by the way .Net is a joke, even kids can make programs in it.

[oakpacific]

I don't know about javascript/Python but linux users are not kid at all.
I bet you don't even know what sudo is.

Windows/MAC users are real kids. They need GUI to do simple works.

and by the way .Net is a joke, even kids can make programs in it.

He made it clear that it is "Microsoft web servers"! I mean, you all remember there was such a misfit called IIS right? Had he said M$ database/directory server I would have given him some credits.

[myrkul]

I'd thought that the "gun control" conversations got heated and rude. Who'da thought there'd be way more rudeness about computer OS's, eh myrkul?

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

Bill Gates is too smart to say such things.

Applies to geniuses too:

[Biomech]

Obvious troll / flamebait, please try again.

No, I am absolutely serious. Except that you are an idiot.

Ad hominem, please try again.

And calling me a troll wasn't ad hominem? Please kiddo.

tu quoque, please try again.

[organofcorti]

I'd thought that the "gun control" conversations got heated and rude. Who'da thought there'd be way more rudeness about computer OS's, eh myrkul?

Well, maybe Tonko is Bill Gates. Would explain a few things.

Bill Gates is too smart to say such things.

Applies to geniuses too:

Brilliant. Just going to keep this somewhere safe for future use.

[abbyd]

Yes, they do something but probably don't really know what are they really doing. That needs brain, not zillions of fixes to JS libraries.

Trollboy, down, down trollboy. Allow me engage you in a little thought experiment:

Let's assume that 20% of coders at Microsoft don't know what they're doing (probably a LOW estimate).
Now let's assume that 40% of coders building open source tools don't know what they're doing (TWICE the above percentage).
A Microsoft product and an analogous open source product both have roughly the same severity of bugs in them.
The bug in the open source project is:

* found faster (source is available, debugging is simple)
* fixed faster (far more coders submitting patches, no release gating)
* fixes are tested faster (source available, patch/release fast if needed)

Javascript libraries are hardly exemplary of open source software (this served your straw man argument well), many are not GPL
or are commercial, many of them suck, etc. The LAMPPP stack is still far superior to Microsoft in security, reliability, performance,
and TCO - last I checked, this trollwar ended around 2008 with resounding defeat for the Microsoft fanboys.

"The war is over, you can come out of your Windows 2008 Server troll-cave"

[jackjack]

Yes, they do something but probably don't really know what are they really doing. That needs brain, not zillions of fixes to JS libraries.

Trollboy, down, down trollboy. Allow me engage you in a little thought experiment:

Let's assume that 20% of coders at Microsoft don't know what they're doing (probably a LOW estimate).
Now let's assume that 40% of coders building open source tools don't know what they're doing (TWICE the above percentage).
A Microsoft product and an analogous open source product both have roughly the same severity of bugs in them.
The bug in the open source project is:

* found faster (source is available, debugging is simple)
* fixed faster (far more coders submitting patches, no release gating)
* fixes are tested faster (source available, patch/release fast if needed)

Javascript libraries are hardly exemplary of open source software (this served your straw man argument well), many are not GPL
or are commercial, many of them suck, etc. The LAMPPP stack is still far superior to Microsoft in security, reliability, performance,
and TCO - last I checked, this trollwar ended around 2008 with resounding defeat for the Microsoft fanboys.

"The war is over, you can come out of your Windows 2008 Server troll-cave"

Are you... feeding a troll?
Nice post though, I'll keep a link to it somewhere just in case

[Biomech]

I actually rather like Windows, for a number of reasons. I also like Linux, for different reasons (some overlap).

Which one is superior depends on what you are doing. When it comes to security, Sorry, OP, Windows loses. Badly. If you can't hack Windows, you shouldn't bother trying.

OTOH, the money behind it attracts more talent, and more specificity in a lot of ways. Digital music is one of those boundary areas where it could go both ways, but right now the best DAW's between the two platforms are definitely windows based. (there is some hope on that front, thankfully)

I have long said that open source has one major strength and one major weakness: Anyone can participate.

One of the things that I have seen happening over the last decade, however, is the open source model participants learning how to monetize their efforts without killing the openness. Some in good ways, some in ugly ways. But it has improved things as "revenge against microsoft" is much less of a motivation in modern OSS circles than it used to be.

All of the above being said, Script kiddies are annoying, but every programmer probably was one once. Me, I'm not a programmer. Tried it, ain't got the juice and I admit it. But my programmer friends started off doing k0o1 L33t scripts back in the day. Eventually they get good, grow up, or go away. Let 'em play.

[Tonko]

Trollboy, down, down trollboy.

Fuck you too.

Allow me engage you in a little thought experiment:

Bah, semi-informed person who fell on TV commercial, imagining himself as a guy in a suit showing percentage pie charts. Go sell cars then!

Anyway, most of the late Microsoft offerings are open sourced as well. ASP.NET, MVC.NET, Web API.
No Office is not open sourced but who cares about that. And no, I don't think JS kiddos made lots of bug fixes for Apache server.
Most Opens Source projects like most of commercial projects boil down to a few really important people anyway. As for the channel for bug reporting and fixing its efficiency is mostly dependent on its organization. It can suck in the case of Open Source project and it can be great in the case of closed source one, and vice versa.

Now go sell the cars, you won't get multi-millionaire with that porn site.

[jackjack]

Wow you just can't stop talking about JS
Did a JS programmer rape you?

[Tonko]

Wow you just can't stop talking about JS
Did a JS programmer rape you?

Keep your private fantasies to yourself, moron.

[organofcorti]

Wow you just can't stop talking about JS
Did a JS programmer rape you?

Keep your private fantasies to yourself, moron.

No, you are!

[Tonko]

Keep your private fantasies to yourself, moron.

No, you are!

No, you are,
no you are,
mommy, mommy, he is saying I am and he is,
help mommy mommy.

Retard! Go feed the pigs!