Have you ever known anybody who was robbed by police?

[PeterTheGrape]

A person sees these stories, like the seven cops arrested in Baltimore today for robbing people, but you never seem to hear the people who were robbed saying "Hey some cops robbed me".

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-baltimore-police-indicted-20170301-story.html

A side note for those who worry cops are underpaid. Here are the salaries of the 7 cops arrested for robberies.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-ci-baltimore-police-who-are-they-20170301-story.html

Detective Rayam earns $71,000 a year. He made $30,800 in overtime last year.
Detective Hersl earns $77,600 a year. He made $66,600 in overtime last year.
Sgt. Jenkins earns $85,400 a year. He made $83,300 in overtime last year.
Detective Hendrix earns $69,300 a year. He made $52,400 in overtime last year.
Detective Taylor earns $66,800 a year. He made $56,200 in overtime last year.
Detective Ward earns $72,700 a year. He made $62,500 in overtime last year.
Detective Gondo earns $71,400. He made $29,100 in overtime last year.

Most of the people they were robbing did not make as much as them.

Also, for people not familiar with the U.S. justice system, none of these cops is likely to get a lengthy sentence. Each of them will probably get a milder sentence than a non cop charged with a mild crime. http://thefreethoughtproject.com/bad-apples-16-cops-1-dept-allowed-retire-quota-charges/

None of them is likely to ever work again as a police officer in a major city though, something to keep in mind when you are in a small town.

[BurtW]

I was forced by homeland "security" and the department of "justice" to fork over $80,000 in cash and Bitcoins to the Federal asset forfeiture fund.  Does that count?

[PeterTheGrape]

I was forced by homeland "security" and the department of "justice" to fork over $80,000 in cash and Bitcoins to the Federal asset forfeiture fund.  Does that count?

Since those people are working for groups that have the words "security" and "justice" then it's not really theft now, is it. You should have put on one of their costumes and added the word "liberty" so you could keep your money and then take theirs to boot.

[pearlmen]

The robbing actually depends because over here, law enforcement agencies and not only cops rob on a daily basis without anything to stop them although their authorities makes us believe that they don't condone such behaviour but we all know everything is scam. Where a cops will stay at the motor park in the name of security only to extort motorists.

[GreenBits]

Yes, yes I do. The cops got me for my rent when I was arrested. Was driving with unknown dead tags. Not only did I get my car searched, but all the money in my wallet mysteriously didn't make it to my property inventory (went to bail myself out with the money I knew I was arrested with, was told I had 0 dollars at my time of arrest.) You can't really fight shit like this, the state wins in situations like these, but to be honest, this is one of the reasons I embraced bitcoin. I'll be damned if I allow the state to steal my money again.

[Mometaskers]

The robbing actually depends because over here, law enforcement agencies and not only cops rob on a daily basis without anything to stop them although their authorities makes us believe that they don't condone such behaviour but we all know everything is scam. Where a cops will stay at the motor park in the name of security only to extort motorists.

This remind me of the police force here in the Philippines. Though I would not say every cop is corrupt, that is definitely how the public view them. There are even cases of people complaining of missing stuff during house searches. The gov't's "war on drugs" definitely emboldened these corrupt cop since they can just always say it's drug-related and the people wouldn't bother. Just last year they killed a Korean businessman, strangled him in a car parked just outside the national police chief's office. They took him from his home for "investigation" about drugs (as said by the maid who they dropped of somewhere away from where they killed him). They promptly had the body cremated even before they received the ransom (and even dared ask for more), slapping a different name on it. Surprise, surprise the owner of the crematorium is an ex-cop.  

Yes, yes I do. The cops got me for my rent when I was arrested. Was driving with unknown dead tags. Not only did I get my car searched, but all the money in my wallet mysteriously didn't make it to my property inventory (went to bail myself out with the money I knew I was arrested with, was told I had 0 dollars at my time of arrest.) You can't really fight shit like this, the state wins in situations like these, but to be honest, this is one of the reasons I embraced bitcoin. I'll be damned if I allow the state to steal my money again.

That's horrible. Hoping they'll get their sweet just desserts.

[PeterTheGrape]

... The gov't's "war on drugs" definitely emboldened these corrupt cop since they can just always say it's drug-related and the people wouldn't bother. Just last year they killed a Korean businessman, strangled him in a car parked just outside the national police chief's office. They took him from his home for "investigation" about drugs (as said by the maid who they dropped of somewhere away from where they killed him). They promptly had the body cremated even before they received the ransom (and even dared ask for more), slapping a different name on it. Surprise, surprise the owner of the crematorium is an ex-cop.  

...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/world/asia/philippines-police-south-korean-killing.html?_r=0

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/philippines-disband-police-anti-drugs-units-war-rodrigo-duterte-south-korea

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippine-police-murder-south-korean-businessman-before-collecting-ransom

It would be interesting to know if ransom's like that are used to pay for killings like http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/22/17/nujp-wants-probe-into-death-of-duterte-critic but the amount of money spent on hitmen, just from published reports, seems to be beyond what ransom's could fund.

My guess is that "killing drug addicts" is a cover for "killing certain drug dealers".

It is not likely the demand for drugs would ever disappear, and prices probably rise during these death campaigns. The only place that to my knowledge completely eradicated a drug problem was Afghanistan, which by August 2001 had eliminated opium poppy cultivation from the entire country, a success that shocked even the most experienced anti drug experts.

[Two4D]

It's not a rare occurrence. There have been quite a lot of these all over the global, but it happens more where the whole government system is really corrupt.

[BartS]

In my country is extremely common for cops to be criminals themselves, that is why when I think of persons in the first world complaining about their police officers, I think they do not know the way a truly corrupt police force looks like.

[PeterTheGrape]

In my country is extremely common for cops to be criminals themselves, that is why when I think of persons in the first world complaining about their police officers, I think they do not know the way a truly corrupt police force looks like.

But in Baltimore, where that news article is from, most of the cops in poor areas steal. They arrested 7 of them because they are getting a lot of scrutiny but more cops there are like those 7 than not.

Remember that girl who got stopped with bad tags on her car in Baltimore. She had never been arrested in her life, but the plice wanted to make an example of her. So when she didn't go to court for driving without tags they sent a swat team, to her house and claimed she was holding her kid hostage.

She went online and livestreamed on facebook, talking to her kid and asking the kid with a laugh if she was holding him hostage. The kid said something like "Why are those men out there with guns".

People on Facebook started saying wtf

So the police cut off her internet and went in and killed her. That was in Baltimore, USA http://thefreethoughtproject.com/woman-killed-son-shot-after-raid-baltimore/

Another Baltimore story from a week ago http://thefreethoughtproject.com/terrifying-video-shows-cops-pummel-small-boy-screams-fear/

[Barrymore]

In my country the police always associated with crime. There was only a small period when in some cities, the police put criminals in jail, and she undertook to engage in criminal activity

[Flamma]

A lot of people who get robbed by cops will have this fear of getting rejected by the justice system. This will result in no one reporting these crimes and considering them as a major offense. I've never experienced it personally but I've heard a lot of stories about it. It's scary and sad at the same time. The same people who should be protecting us, are the same people who are also committing this crime.

[peter0425]

Yes, I know a lot of people who have been robbed by the police one time or another in their life, however, they did not report it because they know nothing will happen and maybe the police will just turn it around and said that they are the one who robbed them arrest, handcuffed and throw in jail. But its a sad news hearing the police doing this instead of them protecting us from criminals.

[Mometaskers]

... The gov't's "war on drugs" definitely emboldened these corrupt cop since they can just always say it's drug-related and the people wouldn't bother. Just last year they killed a Korean businessman, strangled him in a car parked just outside the national police chief's office. They took him from his home for "investigation" about drugs (as said by the maid who they dropped of somewhere away from where they killed him). They promptly had the body cremated even before they received the ransom (and even dared ask for more), slapping a different name on it. Surprise, surprise the owner of the crematorium is an ex-cop.  

...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/world/asia/philippines-police-south-korean-killing.html?_r=0

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/29/philippines-disband-police-anti-drugs-units-war-rodrigo-duterte-south-korea

http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/philippine-police-murder-south-korean-businessman-before-collecting-ransom

It would be interesting to know if ransom's like that are used to pay for killings like http://news.abs-cbn.com/news/02/22/17/nujp-wants-probe-into-death-of-duterte-critic but the amount of money spent on hitmen, just from published reports, seems to be beyond what ransom's could fund.

My guess is that "killing drug addicts" is a cover for "killing certain drug dealers".

It is not likely the demand for drugs would ever disappear, and prices probably rise during these death campaigns. The only place that to my knowledge completely eradicated a drug problem was Afghanistan, which by August 2001 had eliminated opium poppy cultivation from the entire country, a success that shocked even the most experienced anti drug experts.

Could be. The reason people are claiming the president had a hand in these killings is that there were reports of similar methods of execution in his home city when he was a mayor and it seemed to have followed him here into the capital.

[00hash01]

A lot of people who get robbed by cops will have this fear of getting rejected by the justice system. This will result in no one reporting these crimes and considering them as a major offense. I've never experienced it personally but I've heard a lot of stories about it. It's scary and sad at the same time. The same people who should be protecting us, are the same people who are also committing this crime.

Impunity makes people even more capable of crimes. The police always had the opportunity to do bad things, but it all depended on the identity of the policeman. Once they saw video surveillance cameras, like when they searched a jewelry store, police filled their pockets with jewelry. They did not know that they were being photographed. It was super proof.

[tvbcof]

I was forced by homeland "security" and the department of "justice" to fork over $80,000 in cash and Bitcoins to the Federal asset forfeiture fund.  Does that count?

You bet it does!  The propensity to rob people increases when the haul is larger and the likelihood of getting punished decreases.  Earlier, before seeing this thread, I posted the following and as you can see I used your case as an example.  Seems appropriate to this thread.

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Thirdly, the real power of what the NSA has been doing is not in capturing data.  It is in storing it.  I'll be most interested to find out if the archives have been dug into, and if so, by whom and how deeply.

Obama's parting gift of allowing '16 intelligence agencies' access to raw data before it is filtered made just weeks before he left the whitehouse is clearly not something that happened for no reason.  This needs to be explored further and I would hope that sending it to congress might help...or might not.  If Trump ends up keeping this Obama gift for his own use it will not be a good sign.

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On the Bitcoin front, I would caution people to seriously consider the dynamics when:

 1) Multiple 'intelligence' agencies have free access to a wide variety of gathered information about probable everyone.  Almost certainly including financial data.

 2) The current administration is vocally in favor of civil asset forfeiture.

 3) Just about every time an government employee is involved in investigating a Bitcoiner they seem to either go rouge and steal (e.g., silk road) or leverage the impossibility of a victim to defend themselves to royally screw them (e.g., BurtW.)

Seems that the common case in the U.S. is that one president starts something bad, then the next one adopts it, augments it with their own bad ideas, then the public gets screwed.  I hope that this is not the case so much with Trump but it's far to early to know and 'hope' is not a very good strategy.

I really do have hope that Trump will not wish to go down as an Obama-like president who allowed graft and corruption to flourish and does have a fundamental respect for the rule of law, and thus that this kind of thing will not be common on his watch.  At least at the federal level.  Only time will tell.

[squatz1]

This is one of the things that isn't really highly publicizied based on the sheer fact that it's going to be something that doesn't have much evidence relating to it and not much backing it. I'm not going to say that all cops do these kind of crimes based on the fact that they're usually not going to be caught but it's something they can easily get away with, with ease.

Who is going to attempt to fight all of the resources of the Police Department from their state, county, and so on when all they're fighting on is a he said she said kind of thing which we all know doesn't hold up in court for shit. The only thing you may get lucky on if this officer has a lot of reports of doing this crime which may end up having some people take the claim seriously.


Then again, who reports a crime committed by the police?

[profitgenerator212]

It makes me sick that the Police today behaves like SS Nazis.


The Nazis put so called "criminals" in concentration camps, however the biggest corrupt fuckers were amongst the SS himself.

So much that after the they did a corruption review, they found out that all Nazis were corrupt thiefs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Court_Main_Office#Investigations_by_Judge_Georg_Konrad_Morgen



So the Nazis portrayed themselves as the heroes of europe, and the law & order, who put "criminals" in camps.


While those "criminals" who they put in the camps were for non-violent crimes. Which is similar to what is happening in the US prison system, most prisoners are there for non-violent crimes.

And then it turns out that the SS Nazis where the biggest corrupt fuckers of them all.


Now isn't this similar to how the fascist police in the US operates?



They look like the Blackshirts, which was the Italian Fascist Paramilitary (counterpart to the Nazi Brownshirts)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackshirts

[Sithara007]

Could be. The reason people are claiming the president had a hand in these killings is that there were reports of similar methods of execution in his home city when he was a mayor and it seemed to have followed him here into the capital.

It is not the "people" who are claiming that "he had a hand" in the killings in Davao. Duterte himself have said that he has killed many drug addicts and criminals there, when he was the mayor of that city.

[RJX]

I have known a drugdealer that had his door kicked in for interrogation regarding a crime he witnessed. The two cops checked his appartment, found half a pound of cocaine in a cupboard and took it, he was never charged for possesion.