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March 04, 2017, 03:34:15 PM |
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These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.
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March 04, 2017, 03:44:37 PM |
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Forrester,
you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.
Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.
Just my two cents.
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March 04, 2017, 03:55:57 PM |
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Air defense system! their own version is on the way named "Believe317". if US government really cares about human rights then they should release more than $100B of Iranian's frozen assets directly to their people using bitcoin ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) imagine the price then haha.
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Nobody wins except the arms manufacturers and a few executives at the top. You can bet Israel already has plans in place to neutralise the systems, but they're not going to show that hand until it's absolutely necessary. Iran will probably end up reverse engineering the systems and figure out all the technology needed to build it themselves in future
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March 04, 2017, 04:53:56 PM |
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Forrester,
you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.
Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.
Just my two cents.
Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America.
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March 04, 2017, 06:05:02 PM |
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My concern is, governments never sell offensive/defensive technologies before they have essentially rendered it obsolete, at least according to their own paradigm. You never give away the good China ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) So, what has Russia been working on (especially given the recent mobilization of Russian forces around the globe, and indications of Russia testing weapons again)? And given the current political situation with America and Russia (not Trump's situation, #45 seems blissfully unaware of Russia).
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March 04, 2017, 06:36:03 PM |
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My concern is, governments never sell offensive/defensive technologies before they have essentially rendered it obsolete, at least according to their own paradigm. You never give away the good China ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) So, what has Russia been working on (especially given the recent mobilization of Russian forces around the globe, and indications of Russia testing weapons again)? And given the current political situation with America and Russia (not Trump's situation, #45 seems blissfully unaware of Russia). Trump knows all about Russia. He is the eyes and ears! Just it is more interested in financial well-being. He is willing to turn a blind eye to the aggressive rhetoric of the Kremlin in order to earn a few million dollars. It seems to me that he was not aware why Russia is arming Iran. Maybe he was crazy?
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March 05, 2017, 02:28:55 AM |
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These defense systems have been developed in the USSR. It is the outdated equipment which Russia sells. Such a weapon was armed Iraq and how the Iraqi army was able to resist us? The same thing will happen with Iran.
Better yet. America stops invading random countries around the world. Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.
Goes to show the power of propaganda. A decade after the invasion of iraq a third of americans still believed it was because of wmd for example. Repeat something often enough and people will believe it. Air defense system! their own version is on the way named "Believe317". if US government really cares about human rights then they should release more than $100B of Iranian's frozen assets directly to their people using bitcoin ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) imagine the price then haha. Could do the same at home too. Instead of bailing out banks and spending trillions in defense and invasions.
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March 05, 2017, 04:57:22 AM |
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Perhaps now they should try to purchase a few S-400 systems from Russia. The S-400 is the best air defense system available in the world, and it will keep their nuclear facilities safe from all the threats.
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March 05, 2017, 10:13:13 AM |
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Arab countries including Iran is always in conflict with other nations. And since other Arab nations also owns super weapons then Iran as a protection to their country needs to upgrade their air defense system. But the most effective way to protect the nation from threat is to promote peace. When peace is there countries does not need anymore weapons to fight and protect themselves.
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March 05, 2017, 11:08:51 AM |
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Perhaps now they should try to purchase a few S-400 systems from Russia. The S-400 is the best air defense system available in the world, and it will keep their nuclear facilities safe from all the threats.
This Russian PR. S 400 is not the best air defense system. Besides, she has a lot of vulnerabilities. But if you do not have a strategy against her is she's really not bad at doing its job. Russia will never sell these systems because I can't afford to completely satisfy your demand.
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March 05, 2017, 12:20:41 PM |
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Perhaps now they should try to purchase a few S-400 systems from Russia. The S-400 is the best air defense system available in the world, and it will keep their nuclear facilities safe from all the threats.
This Russian PR. S 400 is not the best air defense system. Besides, she has a lot of vulnerabilities. But if you do not have a strategy against her is she's really not bad at doing its job. Russia will never sell these systems because I can't afford to completely satisfy your demand. According to Western defense experts, the S-400 is the best air-defense system available right now. No other system can offer the range, accuracy and capabilities that the S-400 offer. Both China and India have purchased the S-400 systems from Russia. Other nations such as Egypt, Algeria and Vietnam are in negotiations with Russia over the purchase of the system.
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March 05, 2017, 02:33:17 PM |
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Forrester,
you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.
Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.
Just my two cents.
Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America. 1) Iran is not arab country or should I say it is about as arabic as United States are chinese. 2) In fact there is deep rooted conflict in middle East, where Saudia Arabia (which is actually Arab) supported by NATO fights for dominance with Iran supported by China and Russia. Now, Saudis support global jihadist network (vast majority of 9/11 attackers were from this country), Iran supports militias in countries with shia populations (Syria, Yemen, Iraq) thus shifting dominance from sunni arab bloc. It is geopolitics, terrorism is merely tool of trade there. 3) Also, I have no idea about nuclear weapons program ongoing in Iran, might be or might be not. What I do know is that governments of countries, which DO HAVE nukes threatened Iran with them. Hillary Clinton just several months ago. Iran has become victim of western supplied chemical WMDs in the past. Back in those times, when Saddam was still friend of the west, so I wouldnt be that suprised if they were working on WMDs of their own as a countermeasure.
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March 05, 2017, 02:43:12 PM |
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Forrester,
you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.
Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.
Just my two cents.
Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America. 1) Iran is not arab country or should I say it is about as arabic as United States are chinese. 2) In fact there is deep rooted conflict in middle East, where Saudia Arabia (which is actually Arab) supported by NATO fights for dominance with Iran supported by China and Russia. Now, Saudis support global jihadist network (vast majority of 9/11 attackers were from this country), Iran supports militias in countries with shia populations (Syria, Yemen, Iraq) thus shifting dominance from sunni arab bloc. It is geopolitics, terrorism is merely tool of trade there. 3) Also, I have no idea about nuclear weapons program ongoing in Iran, might be or might be not. What I do know is that governments of countries, which DO HAVE nukes threatened Iran with them. Hillary Clinton just several months ago. Iran has become victim of western supplied chemical WMDs in the past. Back in those times, when Saddam was still friend of the west, so I wouldnt be that suprised if they were working on WMDs of their own as a countermeasure. It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.
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March 05, 2017, 02:50:40 PM |
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Forrester,
you are grossly misinformed. Iraq was never armed with such air defense system. The rest of the analogies are wrong too, as Iran doesnt resemble Iraq in any way but the nominal faith of its citizens.
Yet, sadly, it illustrates that many westerners see Iran as "mortal enemy" even though that country never invaded any neighbour in the past two centuries.
Just my two cents.
Now all the Arab countries in the West appear to be enemies. Iran is in this list, the leading place because he's trying to develop nuclear weapons. Adds a positive image of Iran and its bellicose statements towards America. 1) Iran is not arab country or should I say it is about as arabic as United States are chinese. 2) In fact there is deep rooted conflict in middle East, where Saudia Arabia (which is actually Arab) supported by NATO fights for dominance with Iran supported by China and Russia. Now, Saudis support global jihadist network (vast majority of 9/11 attackers were from this country), Iran supports militias in countries with shia populations (Syria, Yemen, Iraq) thus shifting dominance from sunni arab bloc. It is geopolitics, terrorism is merely tool of trade there. 3) Also, I have no idea about nuclear weapons program ongoing in Iran, might be or might be not. What I do know is that governments of countries, which DO HAVE nukes threatened Iran with them. Hillary Clinton just several months ago. Iran has become victim of western supplied chemical WMDs in the past. Back in those times, when Saddam was still friend of the west, so I wouldnt be that suprised if they were working on WMDs of their own as a countermeasure. It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us. Iran was supported by US pre-islamic revolution (1974), when the country was governed by local Shah (Imperator). After Imams took the power, United States turned to support Saddam which was tradionally backed by Russians. In Iraq-Iran war, Iran was essentially unsupported (as its islamist leanings were alien even to Soviets) against western backed Iraqis. Hilariously, air war was dominated by several legendary american F-14 Tomcats, supplied to Iran by US pre-revolution... Iraqi military did not collapse in the war only thanks to generous arms and financial aid by anglo speaking countries. Those debts turned Iraq into mess though and when the fighting ceased, hungry eyes of Saddam turned to another ally of US in the region. "Free" money in form of Kuwait. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fc8%2F11%2F13%2Fc81113b1708d499ccb4b7582e366bd81.jpg&t=665&c=z4LlgwREA_jLWQ)
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In any case, it seems to me that Iran would not be able to confront Iraq without the support of America. Once again convinced that the revolution is no good do not lead, but the politicians never know when to leave power and revolution is inevitable.
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March 05, 2017, 07:29:00 PM |
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In any case, it seems to me that Iran would not be able to confront Iraq without the support of America. Once again convinced that the revolution is no good do not lead, but the politicians never know when to leave power and revolution is inevitable.
Let me repeat it then. By the time of Iraq-Iran conflict, Iran was in international isolation, while Iraq was supported by the West, even though Saddamites used chemical weapons in residental areas of Iran. I am no judging this or that policy of leaders and I am definitely not fan of theocracy, but lets not rewrite history here. Iran was not supported by US since 1979. That is starting year of hostage affair too. Iraq invaded Iran year later initialy equipped with russian migs, but later recieving spades of US made F-86s sabers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
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It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.
Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians.
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It seems to me that the West has never supported Saddam. He was supported by Russia. The West supported Iran. This was clearly seen during the war of Iran with Iraq. Saddam fought the Russian weapons, and Iran is the us.
Neither Iraq nor Iran received any sort of support from the United Sates. On the other hand, the Americans shot down an Iranian passenger jet (Iran Air Flight 655) in 1988, killing around 290 civilians. According to official statements of the U.S. government airliner was mistakenly identified by the cruiser "Vincennes" as an attacking Iranian warplane. Flight 655 was flying along the profile resembling the profile of the exit to attack the F-14A "Tomcat", consisting on arms of the air force of Iran. In addition, the aircraft took off from the airport of Bandar Abbas, which served not only commercial airport, but the airfield Iranian F-14. According to the same reports, "Vincennes" 11 times tried to contact flight 655 on the radio but not got any response, With only 3 messages were sent in the civil frequency, the "Vincennes" when it is not used when the unique code of the Iranian plane that was obtained through facial recognition purposes. At 10:24 IRST cruiser fired a missile "SM-2MR" "earth-air" are at this moment at a distance of about 20 kilometers unidentified aerial target. The missile hit the plane, causing it destroyed at least two parts and crashed into the sea. Only after contact with the plane was identified as a command cruiser of an Iranian airliner. This version was presented in the report of Admiral William Fogarty (eng. Willian Fogarty), who led the official investigation into the incident. The report was declassified and published only in part: part one in 1988 and another in 1993. The findings outlined in the report, met a big wave of criticism. The main cause of the incident in the official report named the psychological state of the team, "Vincennes", which operated in a combat situation under a lot of pressure, as well as the similarity of the flight profile of the liner with the alleged attack profile Iranian fighter. In General, the us government considers the incident as a military incident and said that the crew of the cruiser had acted in accordance with the current circumstances. Later, the commander of the cruiser was awarded the order of "Legion of honor" for successful service in the period from 1987 to 1989.
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