Fuck: SegWit, LN, Blockstream, Core, Adam Back, and GMazwell

[franky1]

Wait are you saying we should give power to an admitted dictatorship that wants to control the entire network mining pools and all?

you need to learn..

blockstream(core) want a TIER network of dev control that bypasses community node consensus..
going soft by only miner vote. then going bilateral with bip9, uasf and Pow nukes
..
other implementations want a sing DIVERSE and decentralised PEER network of different brands.
its only core that dont want to step down to be on the same equal playing level as other brands.

wake up.
its like you understand all of blockstreams faults of dictatorship/control. and have very lazily just done a find/replace word to swap out blockstream and replace it with anything thats not blockstream

[traincarswreck]

you need to learn..

blockstream(core) want a TIER network of dev control that bypasses community node consensus..
going soft by only miner vote. then going bilateral with bip9, uasf and Pow nukes
..
other implementations want a sing DIVERSE and decentralised PEER network of different brands.
its only core that dont want to step down to be on the same equal playing level as other brands.

wake up.
its like you understand all of blockstreams faults of dictatorship/control. and have very lazily just done a find/replace word to swap out blockstream and replace it with anything thats not blockstream

No, BU was built on this you liar:

There is no democratic way to kick something like this off so I am just going to be autocratic about it. I’m defining myself judge, jury and executioner (with the valuable input of those who have been interacting with me of course!) with the power to appoint the initial members. These initial members will then proceed to invite new members.

A direct quote from the self appointed president.

[franky1]

you need to learn..

blockstream(core) want a TIER network of dev control that bypasses community node consensus..
going soft by only miner vote. then going bilateral with bip9, uasf and Pow nukes
..
other implementations want a sing DIVERSE and decentralised PEER network of different brands.
its only core that dont want to step down to be on the same equal playing level as other brands.

wake up.
its like you understand all of blockstreams faults of dictatorship/control. and have very lazily just done a find/replace word to swap out blockstream and replace it with anything thats not blockstream

No, BU was built on this you liar:

There is no democratic way to kick something like this off so I am just going to be autocratic about it. I’m defining myself judge, jury and executioner (with the valuable input of those who have been interacting with me of course!)with the power to appoint the initial members. These initial members will then proceed to invite new members. Formal adherence to the Articles will kick off after elections on Jan 15th

A direct quote from the self appointed president.

FTFY

though i care more about he diverse network of many brands doing dynamics.
you do realise the context of your quote is taking something thats tongue in cheek and intentionally left off the part that the tongue in cheek comment of a dictatorship due to no way to kick off a project without an interim leader.. was a temporary thing until they held elections a few months later..

do you understand tongue in cheek.. do you understand humour?
oh wait.. you failed to research that.

where is blockstreams election process
where is cores election process..

[traincarswreck]

though i care more about he diverse network of many brands doing dynamics.
you do realise the context of your quote is taking something thats tongue in cheek and intentionally left off the part that the tongue in cheek comment of a dictatorship due to no way to kick off a project without an interim leader.. was a temporary thing until they held elections a few months later..

oh wait.. you failed to research that.

Its EXACTLY the communist promise you dolt:

Marx’s view was that capitalism was the great evil that stole the ability to own the means of production from the common person. The only cure was for the people (the proletariat) to rise up and usurp the rulers (the bourgeois). The intermediate step, known as the “dictatorship of the proletariat”, was the “temporary” de facto government that would lead the people to the new found socialist freedom:

 

  In between capitalism and communism there is the dictatorship of the proletariat, a democratic state where the whole of the public authority is elected and recallable under the basis of universal suffrage;[30]

Dictatorship of the proletariat-In Marxist sociopolitical thought, the dictatorship of the proletariat refers to a state in which the proletariat, or the working class, has control of political power.

You are trying to sign bitcoin away to an admitted dictatorship. You don't know what research is.

[franky1]

Its EXACTLY the communist promise you dolt:

research harder.

1. if dynamic blocks occur, there are A DOZEN diverse brands all functional to work on the sam PEER network
 if segwit occur, there are A DOZEN diverse brands all semi-function as the lower TIER with core as the upstream filer upper TIER

..

2. where is cores elections
.
3. where is cores vision of a PEER network of not REKTing anything thats not blockstream sanctioned.

[traincarswreck]

Core is apparently guarding us from the BU dictatorship.

I’m defining myself judge, jury and executioner (with the valuable input of those who have been interacting with me of course!) with the power to appoint the initial members. These initial members will then proceed to invite new members.

Its over franky, toast your accounts, your reps fucked. Are you a member of BU's federation and how can we know the truth?

[franky1]

lol whistles in the wind

[traincarswreck]

BU is a perfect setup for dictatorship and tyranny of the network.

[lurker10]

BU is a perfect setup for dictatorship and tyranny of the network.

Write a new Bitcoin whitepaper.
In the original Bitcoin whitepaper Bitcoin is determined by consensus which is enforced by miners.
Write a new whitepaper and fork Bitcoin to something else. It will not be POW consensus enforced by miners in that case. Which is not necessarily bad.

[traincarswreck]

Write a new Bitcoin whitepaper.
In the original Bitcoin whitepaper Bitcoin is determined by consensus which is enforced by miners.
Write a new whitepaper and fork Bitcoin to something else. It will not be POW consensus enforced by miners in that case. Which is not necessarily bad.

The BU paper give explicate power to the existing president.

[lurker10]

Write a new Bitcoin whitepaper.
In the original Bitcoin whitepaper Bitcoin is determined by consensus which is enforced by miners.
Write a new whitepaper and fork Bitcoin to something else. It will not be POW consensus enforced by miners in that case. Which is not necessarily bad.

The BU paper give explicate power to the existing president.

What president? What BU paper? Are you on drugs or something? LOL.

[traincarswreck]

What president? What BU paper? Are you on drugs or something? LOL.

No the BU supporters are, the BU deceleration that says the President gets to pick everyone and choose the rules and own the mining.

[lurker10]

What president? What BU paper? Are you on drugs or something? LOL.

No the BU supporters are, the BU deceleration that says the President gets to pick everyone and choose the rules and own the mining.

I have read articles that Bitcoin users buy drugs with cryptocurrency, I didn't believe it. I guess it wasn't completely untrue, I found one such user, LOL.
What are you babbling about? Actually don't mind it. You should be taking drugs that make you sing love is in the air or something, LOL. Seriously, get off that shit, it's harmful to your health.

[traincarswreck]

I have read articles that Bitcoin users buy drugs with cryptocurrency, I didn't believe it. I guess it wasn't completely untrue, I found one such user, LOL.
What are you babbling about? Actually don't mind it. You should be taking drugs that make you sing love is in the air or something, LOL. Seriously, get off that shit, it's harmful to your health.

Everyone but you knows what I am talking about.

[lurker10]

I have read articles that Bitcoin users buy drugs with cryptocurrency, I didn't believe it. I guess it wasn't completely untrue, I found one such user, LOL.
What are you babbling about? Actually don't mind it. You should be taking drugs that make you sing love is in the air or something, LOL. Seriously, get off that shit, it's harmful to your health.

Everyone but you knows what I am talking about.

Do you always hear voices in your head or just when you're on bitcointalk? LOL.

[jonald_fyookball]

Every LN node is effectively a hub. It is a peer to peer network. You are correct, the more nodes/hubs, the more resistant it will be against governments. Lightning is very strongly based on the six degrees of separation (everyone in the world is 6 steps away from each other - proven in FB research too.) Of course I could imagine that gambling sites, miners, exchanges, businesses, etc who have more money might become bigger nodes. But decentralization is definitely most important.

so then do you see this kind of development as having a limited window (say 5 years or so) while companies like Blockstream can make some decent money pioneering LN before the market gets completely saturated with free solutions?

You misunderstood me. Lightning is a completely free solution. There are already multiple free open-source implementations right now, only 1 from Blockstream. Every site can very easily implement Lightning by just using their free open-source software.





All I am saying, is that bigger companies with plenty of money, don't mind paying some expert consultants to help their own developers for the implementation. Even if it is not completely necessary, simply to make optimal usage of Lightning and know the possibilities/limitations. Just like they hire bitcoin experts now.

For example: I am also planning to learn a bit more about Lightning and work a bit with some of the implementations to gain knowledge. If Lightning will really work well in 1 year, I can definitely imagine that some gambling site owners could be interested in paying me a fee just to help them a bit on their Lightning implementation (just an example.) But in the end, any developer can gain this knowledge and it is a free open-source solution.

I dunno... i saw a thread where people are playing around with testnet but i do not know the difference beteween that an what the commercial offerings would be.

I think we would all feel a lot better if Blockstream would be transparent with the community but they have mostly not been.

[xyzzy099]

I dunno... i saw a thread where people are playing around with testnet but i do not know the difference beteween that an what the commercial offerings would be.

There are multiple open source implementations of Lightning from multiple teams, and there are no commercial offerings.  Anyone who might want to charge for some 'value-added' lightning implementation will have many free competitors.

I think we would all feel a lot better if Blockstream would be transparent with the community but they have mostly not been.

How much more transparent can you get than publishing everything as open source?

https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning

[jonald_fyookball]

How much more transparent can you get than publishing everything as open source?

https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning

I am interested to know their general business plan and how it relates to scaling Bitcoin.

[Dorky]

How much more transparent can you get than publishing everything as open source?

https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning

I am interested to know their general business plan and how it relates to scaling Bitcoin.

Aren't they planning to turn Bitcoin into some payment layer?

[xyzzy099]

How much more transparent can you get than publishing everything as open source?

https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning

I am interested to know their general business plan and how it relates to scaling Bitcoin.

Well, I can't speak for Blockstream, but I don't think they are in the business of scaling bitcoin at all, necessarily.  Their business seems to be producing side-chain-based solutions for specific use-cases - like Liquid for example.