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April 02, 2017, 04:09:16 PM
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Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands.War between Great Britain and EU countries for some rock on the sea,if that will happen than all kind of friendly relation between GB and EU will be destroyed,financial tornado becouse of London Citi,all financial institution will have leave Citi to make business in EU,normally btc price will sky rocket.even that kind of official comments from top GB politician is pure madness.Lets see markets in monday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon


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April 02, 2017, 04:13:41 PM
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The UK wouldn't have to go to war, if Spain wouldn't lay a claim on Gibraltar.

War is probably the quickest way to get out of EU :O I'm pretty sure that won't happen though, it's just some tough language to show power. Or an April fools joke.

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April 03, 2017, 11:45:08 AM
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War is expensive, I don't know if any nation can afford it.

The united states threatening russia with war could only mean america is threatening to increase their deficit higher than $20 trillion.

War inflicts more damage to the united states, in terms of deficit & debt, than the damage done to countries they're at war with.

I don't know that european nations are any different. War at this point could deal far more self inflicted economic damage than positive tangible gains.

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April 03, 2017, 01:41:16 PM
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#Gibrexit, let the people of Gibraltar choose. Cheesy

England doesn't like people leaving a union if they are the ones in charge of it.

In a few years Theresa May will become the most hated person in England. Cheesy

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April 03, 2017, 01:42:20 PM
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There won't be war. The cons of starting military conflict definitely outweigh the pros.
I would understand if that was some economically important piece of land, rich with natural resources but it is piece of solid rock!
Gibraltar, a piece of land less than 3 square mile and home to about 30,000 people, definitely not worth to fight for.
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April 03, 2017, 07:57:28 PM
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Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands.War between Great Britain and EU countries for some rock on the sea,if that will happen than all kind of friendly relation between GB and EU will be destroyed,financial tornado becouse of London Citi,all financial institution will have leave Citi to make business in EU,normally btc price will sky rocket.even that kind of official comments from top GB politician is pure madness.Lets see markets in monday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon

War would be the last thing on any sane leaders mind simply because it will take both the country that is weak and the strong ones centuries backwards towards development which is the objective of any leader that emerge in the 21st century the highest we will witness is to see various sanctions and stoppage of economic supports in addition to dialogue but not war for whatever reason...
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April 03, 2017, 08:05:56 PM
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War favours no one at this point in time. There's always some diplomatic angle to resolve the matter. Theresa May should understand that there are different ways to achieve same goal.

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April 04, 2017, 03:52:24 AM
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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...




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April 04, 2017, 04:21:01 AM
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I don't think any country presently can afford to go into any silly war, but there are alot of proxy war that can be initiate the way Russia goes about things an the sanctions that follow, what can happen will be that EU will frustrate their negotiation on Brexit
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April 04, 2017, 06:18:24 AM
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There won't be war. The cons of starting military conflict definitely outweigh the pros.
I would understand if that was some economically important piece of land, rich with natural resources but it is piece of solid rock!
Gibraltar, a piece of land less than 3 square mile and home to about 30,000 people, definitely not worth to fight for.

This piece of rock controls the strait

Therefore, its importance far exceeds its area. Basically, it controls the narrow (something like 8 miles) entrance and exit to the Mediterranean Sea. As per Wikipedia, the strait "remains strategically important so to this day with half the world's seaborne trade" passing through it. Unsurprisingly, the UK is so concerned with it and keeping their control over it. For example, Russia since 18th century tried to capture the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits (presently under the Turkish jurisdiction) which control the ways in and out of the Black Sea

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April 04, 2017, 07:04:37 AM
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Theresa May would be prepared to go to war to protect Gibraltar as Margaret Thatcher once did for the Falklands.War between Great Britain and EU countries for some rock on the sea,if that will happen than all kind of friendly relation between GB and EU will be destroyed,financial tornado becouse of London Citi,all financial institution will have leave Citi to make business in EU,normally btc price will sky rocket.even that kind of official comments from top GB politician is pure madness.Lets see markets in monday

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/02/britain-and-eu-worse-off-without-brexit-deal-says-michael-fallon

Geopolitics doesnt work the same way, it worked back in 18th century. Especially since thanks to globalization, Hernandez in Spain, you, your mother and your cat are all owned by bankers and politicians who know each other very well. Fuck the same pool of whores and snort coke from the same table.

Also EU is not Spains project, it is effectively governed by Germany and unelected power elite in Brussels.

If there will be another war for the precious rock, it will be because of Arab colonizers, not because some deal is being replaced by another. Stop being autistic.
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April 04, 2017, 08:20:26 AM
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War is expensive, I don't know if any nation can afford it.
It doesn't need to be that expensive. We'll just send a guy in a dinghy to go and shoot anybody that doubts Gibraltar.
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April 04, 2017, 08:42:39 AM
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The UK wouldn't have to go to war, if Spain wouldn't lay a claim on Gibraltar.

War is probably the quickest way to get out of EU :O I'm pretty sure that won't happen though, it's just some tough language to show power. Or an April fools joke.
I doubt that any government would have joked about such an important, and serious thing.
Also, i have to agree that war would be the fastest way possible to get out of EU, but I really have to admit, that I cannot imagine United Kingdom of Britain would start a war freshly after leaving EU- just because they want to keep Gibraltar for themselves.

Everything is possible anyway, I hope that we don't have to be worried about any war coming.
The vision of another war terrifies me I have to say, because I cannot imagine more cruelty  than during WW2, but im afraid that might happen.
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April 04, 2017, 12:11:08 PM
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35 years ago Thatcher sent army in the Falklands islands to the other side of the Atlantic ocean. Now the Britain will engage war with Spain which until yesterday was at the same table of the European Union? It makes a great impression to me but Britain should understand that things not only in Europe have changed. Now they have the problem of Scotland's independence. Do they like to stay alone all over the world? But who really knows?
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April 04, 2017, 03:12:02 PM
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Looks like to send Navy to protect GB citzens it was private thoughts of just one politician,protect from who from 7 thousend spanish living there.GB get very good proposal from Spain but thay reject it.GB want to protect not citzens but all that offshores banks and bookies companys,but if GB will not find agreements with EU than GB will lost London Citi,it will cause huge problem for GB economy and big chaos in financial world.Goldman is already moving his business from London to Paris


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April 04, 2017, 05:51:26 PM
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EU knows how to handle things through threats and bribes, so they will find a way to talk out of this. Also, a war between GB and EU would end up in devastation of British forces. It would be like a fight between a cat and a dog. While the cat can bite and scratch, the fight is lost the moment they sink their teeth in each other. The dog is bigger and has longer teeth.
We can speculate how the war might look, but there won't be one. Both sides are not doing great economically and a war would only worsen their condition.

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April 04, 2017, 06:08:21 PM
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EU knows how to handle things through threats and bribes, so they will find a way to talk out of this. Also, a war between GB and EU would end up in devastation of British forces. It would be like a fight between a cat and a dog. While the cat can bite and scratch, the fight is lost the moment they sink their teeth in each other. The dog is bigger and has longer teeth.
We can speculate how the war might look, but there won't be one. Both sides are not doing great economically and a war would only worsen their condition

i don't believe in such a war either

Though I disagree on both GB necessarily losing and a dog overwhelming a cat. Cats are different and come in all colors and sizes. For example, leopards habitually kill dogs of comparable or even greater sizes than themselves. You may want to see a video on youtube how fast a jaguar kills a Central Asian shepherd dog which is almost twice its size. Regarding GB versus Europe specifically, there might be some minor clashes, but a full-fledged war is unlikely



There just won't be enough people willing to fight because of crappy politics

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April 05, 2017, 09:30:08 AM
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I don't think UK would want war at this point, especially for a small territory, however strategic the location is. Imagine how much trouble it would be when a NATO member attack another member. What would the other members do anyway?

The split with EU has revealed disunity in the UK, with some parts wanting to remain in the Union. Even within parts that is not likely to secede, support for Brexit is not full, imagine the people's reaction when their gov't go to war for a territory that wanted to stay in.

I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

In fact, that's what we are led to believe

But if we are to cut all the crap, Kim Jong Un hasn't yet started any war during his reign to give any legitimacy to such claims. It is a war-mongering rhetoric on his side mostly, but, as the proverb goes, the barking dog does not bite. On the other hand, this queen (I refer to Elizabeth II) already has blood on her hands. GB has participated in a war over the Falkland Islands a few decades ago, so, as another proverb has it, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black

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April 05, 2017, 12:10:27 PM
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I don't think that the United Kingdom will go to war with Spain, just over a tiny piece of rock. We are well past that stage, and Theresa May is a well experienced politician aware of the consequences of a physical war. If Kim Jong Un was in the place of Theresa, there was a chance though...

In fact, that's what we are led to believe

But if we are to cut all the crap, Kim Jong Un hasn't yet started any war during his reign to give any legitimacy to such claims. It is a war-mongering rhetoric on his side mostly, but, as the proverb goes, the barking dog does not bite. On the other hand, this queen (I refer to Elizabeth II) already has blood on her hands. GB has participated in a war over the Falkland Islands a few decades ago, so, as another proverb has it, the pot shouldn't call the kettle black

Geographically, neither Falklands nor Gibraltar should be a part of the Great Britain. Falklands should be returned to Argentina, and the Brits should evacuate the 2,000 or so colonizers there. Similarly, Gibraltar should be placed in a joint administration, or merged with Spain.




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