Tertiary/Higher Education

[JimmiesForBitcoins]

The similarity between a USD and a college diploma is the fact that both are backed by debt, and the belief they have any value at all.

That belongs on a T-shirt!

Libertarians say it best? ?

Shh! You're not supposed to say the L word. They are watching, and we all know it's extremely illegal to be... Concerned about natural rights and the proper treatment of our fellow human beings.

[Zaih]

The similarity between a USD and a college diploma is the fact that both are backed by debt, and the belief they have any value at all.

Absolutely love it!

And thanks everyone for your opinions, enjoyed reading them Expected mainly negative feedback to be honest, but I'm glad to see other people share my disagreement!

[Mike Christ]

A private education which must contort to the state's definition of what an education is, is not a private education.  Granted, colleges generally give a much better experience over high school, but, I'm still stuck on rails for 2 years before I can have an art teacher tell me to go paint so I can learn how to paint exactly as well as I have been without an art teacher

Give me a completely private college whose intention is not to "prepare you for the work force" (god fucking damn it), but to provide a haven for people to go to learn and become educated for the sake of education, so they may better their lives and be happier as individuals (in other words, the whole point of philosophy), and I'll be the happiest man alive.

An apocalypse, translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation,

Psssst.  The super-duper-secret information resulting in this apocalypse, which will finally end the biblical time period we've been suffering through, is that a philosophical approach to life will make you happy, and thus make others happy.  Now all we gotta do is disclose this information to the rest of the world and we'll all be dandy.

[2Kool4Skewl]

Y didn't I start this thread.

[Ekaros]

Probably in some cases like Engineering it can provide wide base of knowledge.

Though I agree that some of it seem to be bullshit.

Still, you need some institutions providing the training for basic research. Things are just damm complex nowdays.

[dotcom]

And people thought Bitcoin was a bubble...

Discuss

It's just to way to streamline citizens into a cycle of debt and dependency. Back in high school all my teachers would say was "we're here to help you pass government tests and get into college", and that's pretty much all they did. You are given data to memorize, the state hands you a test, you regurgitate the data, and then forget it all a week later. You're expected to go to college if you want to make anything above minimum wage, then 4+ years and a mountain of debt later most people are entering into shitty jobs they shouldn't have needed a degree for in the first place.

Debt is like quicksand, and the sooner you get the kids into it the better.

[Rassah]

You are given data to memorize, the state hands you a test, you regurgitate the data, and then forget it all a week later. You're expected to go to college if you want to make anything above minimum wage, then 4+ years and a mountain of debt later most people are entering into shitty jobs they shouldn't have needed a degree for in the first place.

Sounds like something a person without a college degree would say 

[Mike Christ]

You are given data to memorize, the state hands you a test, you regurgitate the data, and then forget it all a week later. You're expected to go to college if you want to make anything above minimum wage, then 4+ years and a mountain of debt later most people are entering into shitty jobs they shouldn't have needed a degree for in the first place.

Sounds like something a person without a college degree would say 

[1m1nd]

A private education which must contort to the state's definition of what an education is, is not a private education.  Granted, colleges generally give a much better experience over high school, but, I'm still stuck on rails for 2 years before I can have an art teacher tell me to go paint so I can learn how to paint exactly as well as I have been without an art teacher

Give me a completely private college whose intention is not to "prepare you for the work force" (god fucking damn it), but to provide a haven for people to go to learn and become educated for the sake of education, so they may better their lives and be happier as individuals (in other words, the whole point of philosophy), and I'll be the happiest man alive.

An apocalypse, translated literally from Greek, is a disclosure of knowledge, hidden from humanity in an era dominated by falsehood and misconception, i.e., a lifting of the veil or revelation,

Psssst.  The super-duper-secret information resulting in this apocalypse, which will finally end the biblical time period we've been suffering through, is that a philosophical approach to life will make you happy, and thus make others happy.  Now all we gotta do is disclose this information to the rest of the world and we'll all be dandy.

Thanks for this

If you haven't watched it already, you should watch the documentary "Happy" from 2011

[hawkeye]

Psssst.  The super-duper-secret information resulting in this apocalypse, which will finally end the biblical time period we've been suffering through, is that a philosophical approach to life will make you happy, and thus make others happy.  Now all we gotta do is disclose this information to the rest of the world and we'll all be dandy.

I can vouch for this.  It's no exaggeration to say that philosophy quite literally saved me from the abyss and changed my life.

[Mike Christ]

Thanks for this

If you haven't watched it already, you should watch the documentary "Happy" from 2011

Haven't heard of this one; I'll definitely check it out!

I can vouch for this.  It's no exaggeration to say that philosophy quite literally saved me from the abyss and changed my life.

+1  Same here!  I can officially say I ain't stupid no mores 

[Rassah]

Psssst.  The super-duper-secret information resulting in this apocalypse, which will finally end the biblical time period we've been suffering through, is that a philosophical approach to life will make you happy, and thus make others happy.  Now all we gotta do is disclose this information to the rest of the world and we'll all be dandy.

I can vouch for this.  It's no exaggeration to say that philosophy quite literally saved me from the abyss and changed my life.

I'd be careful with that one. There are a lot of philosophical beliefs that are kinda of.................

[Mike Christ]

I'd be careful with that one. There are a lot of philosophical beliefs that are kinda of.................

Ehh two different concepts; philosophy is the pursuit of knowledge, whereas philosophical beliefs are the fruit of philosophers--the after product.  A philosopher doesn't necessarily have to subscribe to any or even most philosophical beliefs; I'm not sure if this is possible without contradicting oneself.  With that said, someone who earned a degree in philosophy is only guaranteed to understand a variety of philosophical beliefs.  A real philosopher is not one who pursues such a degree, but one who asks questions and follows answers to the end.  On the other side of this concept, a philosopher may have knowledge of common philosophical beliefs, but is guaranteed to be equipped with their own interpretations of life, which will happen to coincide with others, as opposed to someone who is largely aware of philosophical concepts but spends more time learning that than asking their own questions.

[myrkul]

I'd be careful with that one. There are a lot of philosophical beliefs that are kinda of.................

Ehh two different concepts; philosophy is the pursuit of knowledge, whereas philosophical beliefs are the fruit of philosophers--the after product.  A philosopher doesn't necessarily have to subscribe to any or even most philosophical beliefs; I'm not sure if this is possible without contradicting oneself.  With that said, someone who earned a degree in philosophy is only guaranteed to understand a variety of philosophical beliefs.  A real philosopher is not one who pursues such a degree, but one who asks questions and follows answers to the end.  On the other side of this concept, a philosopher may have knowledge of common philosophical beliefs, but is guaranteed to be equipped with their own interpretations of life, which will happen to coincide with others, as opposed to someone who is largely aware of philosophical concepts but spends more time learning that than asking their own questions.

This post is full of so much win.

[dotcom]

You are given data to memorize, the state hands you a test, you regurgitate the data, and then forget it all a week later. You're expected to go to college if you want to make anything above minimum wage, then 4+ years and a mountain of debt later most people are entering into shitty jobs they shouldn't have needed a degree for in the first place.

Sounds like something a person without a college degree would say 

i'm actually in my 3rd year of college right now, doing pretty well.

it doesn't take a genius to see that our education system as a whole runs counter to most of the principles we claim to instill in kids.

[Rassah]

You are given data to memorize, the state hands you a test, you regurgitate the data, and then forget it all a week later. You're expected to go to college if you want to make anything above minimum wage, then 4+ years and a mountain of debt later most people are entering into shitty jobs they shouldn't have needed a degree for in the first place.

Sounds like something a person without a college degree would say 

i'm actually in my 3rd year of college right now, doing pretty well.

it doesn't take a genius to see that our education system as a whole runs counter to most of the principles we claim to instill in kids.

Yay! What are you learnin'?

[dotcom]

You are given data to memorize, the state hands you a test, you regurgitate the data, and then forget it all a week later. You're expected to go to college if you want to make anything above minimum wage, then 4+ years and a mountain of debt later most people are entering into shitty jobs they shouldn't have needed a degree for in the first place.

Sounds like something a person without a college degree would say 

i'm actually in my 3rd year of college right now, doing pretty well.

it doesn't take a genius to see that our education system as a whole runs counter to most of the principles we claim to instill in kids.

Yay! What are you learnin'?

comp sci, interactive simulation

physics engines, collision detection, graphics and whatnot

hoping to go indie eventually, but who knows

[Mike Christ]

I'm considering dropping out of college, myself.  Not that I don't love to learn, but I have a theory on the proper way to educate people, and it isn't by keeping track of every class they take, when they show up to that class, and telling them whether or not their understanding of a particular subject is good enough, or if that one point means they don't actually understand anything.

Needless to say, I'm probably going to fail my US History class   I picked up a lot of stuff from it, but I'm not doing so hot, on account of me not being able to remember who did what and when.  The "why", I get.  It's the rest that I neither care about, nor feel I should care about.  I aced my federal government class, anyway.

What I don't get is why I couldn't learn this stuff on my own; if I have to read the textbook before I show up to class each day, why shouldn't I just stay at home and simply read the textbook?  Why am I paying a professor to tell me to study, when I can study on my own, tell myself to study (or get a friend to do it,) and get the same experience?  Why this dependency on an outside force (which just happens to be under the thumb of a higher power) when every resource is there?  If I were taught how to teach myself in my first 13 years of mandatory education, I'd be in a much better spot right now.  Seems modern day college is nothing more than a debt trap.

[myrkul]

If I were taught how to teach myself in my first 13 years of mandatory education, I'd be in a much better spot right now.  Seems modern day college is nothing more than a debt trap.

If they were to do that, they wouldn't need 13 years of indoctrination.

[dotcom]

Why am I paying a professor to tell me to study, when I can study on my own, tell myself to study (or get a friend to do it,) and get the same experience?  Why this dependency on an outside force (which just happens to be under the thumb of a higher power) when every resource is there?

Because then they give you a piece of paper that will nearly fully define your worth at most job interviews.

Seems modern day college is nothing more than a debt trap.

That's because it is. I've learned more from self-education than I ever have from public schooling or my current college.

Aside from college, k-12 is more for indoctrination and mental reliance than actual education.