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May 11, 2017, 01:27:28 AM |
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Transaction was a win, why is it not being paid? Please check.
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adaseb
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May 11, 2017, 09:27:30 AM |
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I think one way how this website can benefit would be to move over to the Litecoin network and try to implement Lightning Network bets. You can basically start a payment channel and your gamblers can start one also. This way they can make hundreds of bets per second and there would be no fees. And it would be much safer since there would be no more double spenders and people would always have some security of their funds.
I think this is something you should look into implementing. Then in the future, who knows? Maybe Lightning network on the Bitcoin network.
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May 11, 2017, 12:56:48 PM |
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I think the thing that sucks the most is the timing of the deposit. It would be much more efficient if we had a sort of balance and could actually bet up or down in real time! An issue I often face is, I may want to place a bet on up/down, but by the time the transaction goes through ( which yes it only takes a few seconds, but still..) it may bid on a spike which gives me a higher chance of a loss, rather than on the actual point where i wanted to place my bid. So if our bets actually were placed EXACTLY when we wanted it to, it would be much better! Also, better payment! It's pretty annoying to have my winning bids sometimes not get paid out because of glitches or who knows what, and then I have to come here and post to get paid.
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May 11, 2017, 02:11:34 PM |
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I think the thing that sucks the most is the timing of the deposit. It would be much more efficient if we had a sort of balance and could actually bet up or down in real time! An issue I often face is, I may want to place a bet on up/down, but by the time the transaction goes through ( which yes it only takes a few seconds, but still..) it may bid on a spike which gives me a higher chance of a loss, rather than on the actual point where i wanted to place my bid. So if our bets actually were placed EXACTLY when we wanted it to, it would be much better! Also, better payment! It's pretty annoying to have my winning bids sometimes not get paid out because of glitches or who knows what, and then I have to come here and post to get paid.
I've been telling the admin this for like the last 1.5 years or so. However he claims that its better for privacy if it remains onchain. But with the ridicuous BTC transaction fees and the double spend attacks going on, it makes no sense to continue in this matter. Like I said before. I think that a year or two back the management of Secondstrade.com has changed, and the new developer is a new guy who doesn't know how to perform advanced coding. Because I think for most it would help if at least some other altcoins was used other than BTC. Then I think that would fix many of these issues. |
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May 11, 2017, 02:27:07 PM |
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Thanks for the payout even though it was delayed for a while. I enjoy betting with Secondstrade however the error HTTP Status 500-server encountered internal error seems to be popping up when I check betting status more often than it used to which is what I assume is causing the delay, might need to look into it. Here is another transaction I won and am awaiting payout for. https://blockchain.info/tx/070d81bf955ff48a4e9a812c4512a74f623b64aea6c9b2cda885afc0782fb821Thanks again! |
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May 12, 2017, 09:35:51 AM |
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I think the thing that sucks the most is the timing of the deposit. It would be much more efficient if we had a sort of balance and could actually bet up or down in real time! An issue I often face is, I may want to place a bet on up/down, but by the time the transaction goes through ( which yes it only takes a few seconds, but still..) it may bid on a spike which gives me a higher chance of a loss, rather than on the actual point where i wanted to place my bid. So if our bets actually were placed EXACTLY when we wanted it to, it would be much better! Also, better payment! It's pretty annoying to have my winning bids sometimes not get paid out because of glitches or who knows what, and then I have to come here and post to get paid.
I've been telling the admin this for like the last 1.5 years or so. However he claims that its better for privacy if it remains onchain. But with the ridicuous BTC transaction fees and the double spend attacks going on, it makes no sense to continue in this matter. Like I said before. I think that a year or two back the management of Secondstrade.com has changed, and the new developer is a new guy who doesn't know how to perform advanced coding. Because I think for most it would help if at least some other altcoins was used other than BTC. Then I think that would fix many of these issues. I agree, the fees are totally ridiculous nowadays and playing this kind of game will mean that you will have to pay more for a bet. For example, we are playing just for 0.001 BTC then the fees will probably be 0.0004 BTC, which means our bet is actually 0.0014 BTC but we only win back 0.001 BTC. It's not house edge, but just that there are too much fees and you lose more in the long run and even the casino doesn't profit from the additional fees and they actually pay too when returning the winnings. |
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realsecondstrade.com (OP)
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May 14, 2017, 01:23:06 PM |
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Transaction was a win, why is it not being paid? Please check.
800454344b8311388c510d6bf7b9bb82d471356d0f8fc1b7d2844ba8db4ca1d3
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realsecondstrade.com (OP)
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May 14, 2017, 01:24:19 PM |
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I think one way how this website can benefit would be to move over to the Litecoin network and try to implement Lightning Network bets. You can basically start a payment channel and your gamblers can start one also. This way they can make hundreds of bets per second and there would be no fees. And it would be much safer since there would be no more double spenders and people would always have some security of their funds.
I think this is something you should look into implementing. Then in the future, who knows? Maybe Lightning network on the Bitcoin network.
good idea. we are considering it now. but it take some times. |
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May 14, 2017, 01:26:23 PM |
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I think the thing that sucks the most is the timing of the deposit. It would be much more efficient if we had a sort of balance and could actually bet up or down in real time! An issue I often face is, I may want to place a bet on up/down, but by the time the transaction goes through ( which yes it only takes a few seconds, but still..) it may bid on a spike which gives me a higher chance of a loss, rather than on the actual point where i wanted to place my bid. So if our bets actually were placed EXACTLY when we wanted it to, it would be much better! Also, better payment! It's pretty annoying to have my winning bids sometimes not get paid out because of glitches or who knows what, and then I have to come here and post to get paid.
I've been telling the admin this for like the last 1.5 years or so. However he claims that its better for privacy if it remains onchain. But with the ridicuous BTC transaction fees and the double spend attacks going on, it makes no sense to continue in this matter. Like I said before. I think that a year or two back the management of Secondstrade.com has changed, and the new developer is a new guy who doesn't know how to perform advanced coding. Because I think for most it would help if at least some other altcoins was used other than BTC. Then I think that would fix many of these issues. Our development team and management have never been changed. |
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topayez
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May 15, 2017, 09:15:39 AM
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Can you up the fee and/or make sure you don't payout from unconfirmed balances? Waiting for days to get a tx to confirm is not a thing that should be happening at a betting site 60 sats per b is way too low. (I would suggest checking the average on https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ and make the fees right for at least the bets above 0.01 BTC and let the bets pay the real fee instead of the 0.0002 that it is now, as you would lose more $$$ waiting for a days old tx if btc drops from $1800 to $1700 then a higher fee would have cost) And digging around to accelerate tx that need to be confirmed before the tx that is coming to my payouts is not fun either. (this can be easily solved by not spending unconfirmed balance) Thank You. (Please don't consider it, just do it lol) Just another brainfart.... How about mimicking the fees users use to send to you? High fee placed bets get paid by high fee payouts so both transactions will confirm quick. Same for low fee placed bets, they will get low fee payouts and thus are slow in both ways |
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May 15, 2017, 02:03:48 PM |
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Thanks for finally paying out. So is it going to take a week every time we want to be paid out now if we do bets over $100? This has happened to me a few times now for my bigger bets and it makes it not worth doing if i have to wait a week to get paid.
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May 15, 2017, 04:05:23 PM |
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Thanks for finally paying out. So is it going to take a week every time we want to be paid out now if we do bets over $100? This has happened to me a few times now for my bigger bets and it makes it not worth doing if i have to wait a week to get paid.
it takes ages this way with the 60 sats/b especially because payouts are made from a lot of small ones that use unconfirmed balances. They should use at least double as bare minimum, but when I send I use between 3x or 4x as much so I don't see why they can't. |
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May 15, 2017, 04:43:43 PM |
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Thanks for finally paying out. So is it going to take a week every time we want to be paid out now if we do bets over $100? This has happened to me a few times now for my bigger bets and it makes it not worth doing if i have to wait a week to get paid.
it takes ages this way with the 60 sats/b especially because payouts are made from a lot of small ones that use unconfirmed balances. They should use at least double as bare minimum, but when I send I use between 3x or 4x as much so I don't see why they can't. I don't mind the low fee they pay us out with, you could just do child pays for parent to get it faster (although, yes you are right! I am paying usually $1 in fees, they could do the same). My issue is that the actual pay out process for bigger bets, it takes them a week to verify and send the winnings back. If i do small bets of lets say $20 or so, they always pretty much pay me my winnings "instantly" but when I bet over $100, my bets sometimes disappear and then I have to contact them here and wait for them to check it out before they actually pay me. Sometimes they are quick and take a day, other times like for my last win, I had to wait a week! |
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May 15, 2017, 04:50:59 PM |
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Thanks for finally paying out. So is it going to take a week every time we want to be paid out now if we do bets over $100? This has happened to me a few times now for my bigger bets and it makes it not worth doing if i have to wait a week to get paid.
it takes ages this way with the 60 sats/b especially because payouts are made from a lot of small ones that use unconfirmed balances. They should use at least double as bare minimum, but when I send I use between 3x or 4x as much so I don't see why they can't. I don't mind the low fee they pay us out with, you could just do child pays for parent to get it faster (although, yes you are right! I am paying usually $1 in fees, they could do the same). My issue is that the actual pay out process for bigger bets, it takes them a week to verify and send the winnings back. If i do small bets of lets say $20 or so, they always pretty much pay me my winnings "instantly" but when I bet over $100, my bets sometimes disappear and then I have to contact them here and wait for them to check it out before they actually pay me. Sometimes they are quick and take a day, other times like for my last win, I had to wait a week! I think the reason why your bets "disappear" is because any fairly large bets are automatically flagged and need to be manually approved due to the double spend attacks that were happening on this site recently. Either way something needs to be done because every month there is a new all-time-high of unconfirmed transactions and pretty soon it will be $2 per transaction, so if you are betting small like $20, it makes no sense since $2+$2 will go to the network alone. |
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May 15, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
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Thanks for finally paying out. So is it going to take a week every time we want to be paid out now if we do bets over $100? This has happened to me a few times now for my bigger bets and it makes it not worth doing if i have to wait a week to get paid.
it takes ages this way with the 60 sats/b especially because payouts are made from a lot of small ones that use unconfirmed balances. They should use at least double as bare minimum, but when I send I use between 3x or 4x as much so I don't see why they can't. I don't mind the low fee they pay us out with, you could just do child pays for parent to get it faster (although, yes you are right! I am paying usually $1 in fees, they could do the same). My issue is that the actual pay out process for bigger bets, it takes them a week to verify and send the winnings back. If i do small bets of lets say $20 or so, they always pretty much pay me my winnings "instantly" but when I bet over $100, my bets sometimes disappear and then I have to contact them here and wait for them to check it out before they actually pay me. Sometimes they are quick and take a day, other times like for my last win, I had to wait a week! I haven't got one of those server errors in over a month now lucky me. But child pays for parent only seems to get me my payments less slow, but still slow. Now I am still waiting for a tx to confirm the unconfirmed balance before that is 5 tx deep. I pay a fee so I can get a confirmation in one or two blocks so it shows it is legit and not part of double spending what so ever it would suit them if they provide the same service to their customers. @adaseb Network fee is just what it is. $2 or whatever, it sucks yeah I know, but without any changes ready to be made they could at least be markt confirm. That is why is said: How about mimicking the fees users use to send to you? High fee placed bets get paid by high fee payouts so both transactions will confirm quick. Same for low fee placed bets, they will get low fee payouts and thus are slow in both ways So the players themselves can chose what fee to use, instead of being too expensive for small bets or too slow for bigger ones |
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