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May 09, 2017, 05:44:17 AM
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We just added bet history. Every user can check his old bets, as so we do ask LoneShark to check his bets and come here with a reply.
What does that prove? I insist on knowing how the bug happened if not intentionally.Your attempt of putting it vaguely using cloudflare as an excuse clearly failed.I still need a technical answer from your 'Math Guy'  because he clearly know what is he doing,we call it scam.Betting history comes with a verification method by any chance to make sure the bets are provable fair ?

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May 11, 2017, 01:39:54 PM
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Hi,

developer speakin, excuse my bad grammar im russian.


Actually all known and above mentioned bugs are fixed + now there are no more Transaction fees when withdrawing money.

Also please note, the users money wasn't at risk at any time.


As we want to learn from people perspective and feedback, we are steady upgrading our website to their wishes.

People should see from beginnin how everything evolves within time, we also want exactly this kind of feedback.

In the past months we did so many changes, working every day, from beginnin to now its a complete new experience.

// @Loneshark

Im very sorry for this confusion, i was working on the backend while user Loneshark was playing, there was a setting "cache whole site and display as live" in cloudflare wich may caused this bug to happen while server was rebooting.

After the server had rebooted, you should automaticly get redirected from that "live caching page" to the actual "live site". I think this is what happened.

I've also watched the server logs of course, and it says that youve won the mentioned bets, wich u lost on the screenshot.
 But this was only a Unique visual bug, and took like 5seconds and wont happen again in future, also you dont even lost money through this bug, i think its a bit harsch to directly open scam accussion, also you declare the situation very long, do you get paid for finding bugs and post them instantly? as you didnt loss a cent, and played over hours, you find this 5sec bug and screenshot it within time and describe a full scam thread? bcaus of what?

We will from now on use a Maintaince site for this kind of work, again im very sorry for confusion and all that time it took you


// About Bet-Verifin

You can at any time, verify the last bet by looking at the "Fair?" tab.
As we only save the previous and the actual seed, it is not possible to show any later seeds.
im not done, also the middle part (loneshark) is just alpha, but what u say to loneshark part especially
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May 11, 2017, 01:50:09 PM
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You say it was a visual bug, how can a visual bug deduct from my balance? I don't think so! This is why you guys refunded me the 0.002 lost because of your "visual bug"



How about the issue of changing the house edge mid game? I only play on casinos with 1% house edge or lower. If the HE was higher than that, I don't even try to deposit! This is a primary consideration for me. Then you guys just arbitrarily changed HE without my knowledge while I left my game on autobet. I accumulated winnings already before you changed the HE, I demand that you refund me those lost because you changed HE.



I don't think a scam accusation is harsh, since I think this is a duty I should fulfill, as to warn people about your site. People actually deposit and use real money to play and you can't just tell us

"it's in alpha stage so sorry for your loss but you know what, we'll try to fix the bug but we won't refund you!"

Technically, this is what you are saying to my face.

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May 11, 2017, 02:05:53 PM
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You say it was a visual bug, how can a visual bug deduct from my balance? I don't think so! This is why you guys refunded me the 0.002 lost because of your "visual bug"



How about the issue of changing the house edge mid game? I only play on casinos with 1% house edge or lower. If the HE was higher than that, I don't even try to deposit! This is a primary consideration for me. Then you guys just arbitrarily changed HE without my knowledge while I left my game on autobet. I accumulated winnings already before you changed the HE, I demand that you refund me those lost because you changed HE.



I don't think a scam accusation is harsh, since I think this is a duty I should fulfill, as to warn people about your site. People actually deposit and use real money to play and you can't just tell us

"it's in alpha stage so sorry for your loss but you know what, we'll try to fix the bug but we won't refund you!"

Technically, this is what you are saying to my face.

Our final comment on this matter.

We said our house edge is variable. If you can't read maybe we should record a voice message where we will explain to you.

@LoneShark, the 0.002 was a bonus, not a refund, please read carefuly what I said and what we talked. About you personally, I believe you are an idiot or you are paid to be an idiot.

You didn't lost any bitcoin on our website even if there was seen as lose, after a simple refresh everything was fine.

This is a bad image over us even if nothing happened to users balances or fairness of our gambling website.

We ask reputable members who marked us with a red colour to review the website themselves or to reply with what they don't understand on this topic.

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May 11, 2017, 02:17:27 PM
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You say it was a visual bug, how can a visual bug deduct from my balance? I don't think so! This is why you guys refunded me the 0.002 lost because of your "visual bug"



How about the issue of changing the house edge mid game? I only play on casinos with 1% house edge or lower. If the HE was higher than that, I don't even try to deposit! This is a primary consideration for me. Then you guys just arbitrarily changed HE without my knowledge while I left my game on autobet. I accumulated winnings already before you changed the HE, I demand that you refund me those lost because you changed HE.



I don't think a scam accusation is harsh, since I think this is a duty I should fulfill, as to warn people about your site. People actually deposit and use real money to play and you can't just tell us

"it's in alpha stage so sorry for your loss but you know what, we'll try to fix the bug but we won't refund you!"

Technically, this is what you are saying to my face.

Our final comment on this matter.

We said our house edge is variable. If you can't read maybe we should record a voice message where we will explain to you.

@LoneShark, the 0.002 was a bonus, not a refund, please read carefuly what I said and what we talked. About you personally, I believe you are an idiot or you are paid to be an idiot.

You didn't lost any bitcoin on our website even if there was seen as lose, after a simple refresh everything was fine.

This is a bad image over us even if nothing happened to users balances or fairness of our gambling website.

We ask reputable members who marked us with a red colour to review the website themselves or to reply with what they don't understand on this topic.

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Variable house edge does not mean you can change it anytime you want. It means you give a house edge which is actually fixed but it changes depending on your bet! Assuming I bet the same way since the start, that means my house edge should not have changed no matter what.



You made me laugh at " the 0.002 was a bonus, not a refund, please read carefuly what I said and what we talked." LOL

You say it is a "bonus" not a refund? So you are saying that the system did deduct my 0.002 because I lost 4 times with 4 winning bets and it was legit? Wow.

You also said I did not lose 0.002btc, but I did! I refreshed plenty of times, but the funds did not show up. That means your gambling site did declare my bets as a loss. Don't you argue that it did not happen this way, because you know yourselves it did happen.



When you can't argue anymore, call your opponent an idiot. That's the kind of people who runs this place.



You should have fixed everything before you even let people deposit money!

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May 11, 2017, 02:51:12 PM
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Well, this is what I also said in starting.
I have seen this bug on primedice also many times which is caused due to Cloudflare.

This is not a server based bug so i think balance can't get affected by it at all.

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Well, this is what I also said in starting.
I have seen this bug on primedice also many times which is caused due to Cloudflare.

This is not a server based bug so i think balance can't get affected by it at all.


So try explaining why it affected my balance please and why they admitted it by "refunding" me the supposed wins. :/

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May 11, 2017, 03:21:56 PM
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Well, this is what I also said in starting.
I have seen this bug on primedice also many times which is caused due to Cloudflare.

This is not a server based bug so i think balance can't get affected by it at all.


So try explaining why it affected my balance please and why they admitted it by "refunding" me the supposed wins. :/

I am not saying that you are wrong or paradice is.
Just sharing my exp of this kind of bug I faced.


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May 13, 2017, 03:42:33 PM
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Hello, dev speaking.

// Loneshark

As I can see you deposited 0.01 as your 1st deposit.

Then you made a withdraw of " -0.01032500 " This is what I can see on server logs.

Then again you made a withdraw of " 0.00532500 "

And then you were playing with the remaining balance after " 0.00532500 " withdraw of yours.

After losing those bets " 1342736 & 1342726 " You made a max bet of 0.00061700 and in between, there were are loses.

https://gyazo.com/7482c42074b0716a4cf42ca0947f8e67



I am curious why you made this false accusation in order to get the balance you lost " 0.001 " as bonus when you have already withdrawn 0.017+
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Hello, dev speaking.

// Loneshark

As I can see you deposited 0.01 as your 1st deposit.

Then you made a withdraw of " -0.01032500 " This is what I can see on server logs.

Then again you made a withdraw of " 0.00532500 "

And then you were playing with the remaining balance after " 0.00532500 " withdraw of yours.

After losing those bets " 1342736 & 1342726 " You made a max bet of 0.00061700 and in between, there were are loses.

https://gyazo.com/7482c42074b0716a4cf42ca0947f8e67



I am curious why you made this false accusation in order to get the balance you lost " 0.001 " as bonus when you have already withdrawn 0.017+


In chronological order:

1. Deposited 0.01.
2. Played till I got to 0.015+ and withdrew 0.010325 (minus fees and got 0.01)
3. Played remaining balance till I got 0.01 and withdrew 0.005325 (minus fees and got 0.005)
4. Played till I got 0.015+ again. Did not withdrew.
5. Left game on autobet.
6. Did not notice game's HE changed to higher than 1% and lost all of the 0.015
7. Site cheated me 0.0005 x 4 winning bets at 1.02 chance. (you call it visual bug but your site eat up my 0.002) Then did yolo bet on the remaining.
8. Lacker (a site admin or whatever) refunded my 0.002  and did not pay my wins actually (though it was just small so whatever.)
9. I withdrew the 0.002 he gave, since I lost trust in your site.

Yep I won 0.017+ but actually I could have won more if you didn't change the HE mid game. And here we go again. I could have just took the 0.015 more and could have withdrawn 0.03+, but you changed the HE and cheated my rolls.

Edit: Compare my version to your logs and you'll see they match. This is not a false accusation!

Edit2: Don't also call it a bonus! It is no where near a bonus! You owe me that amount because your system failed or cheated, I don't know. You owe me that!

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May 13, 2017, 05:02:44 PM
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Hello, dev speaking.

// Loneshark

As I can see you deposited 0.01 as your 1st deposit.

Then you made a withdraw of " -0.01032500 " This is what I can see on server logs.

Then again you made a withdraw of " 0.00532500 "

And then you were playing with the remaining balance after " 0.00532500 " withdraw of yours.

After losing those bets " 1342736 & 1342726 " You made a max bet of 0.00061700 and in between, there were are loses.

https://gyazo.com/7482c42074b0716a4cf42ca0947f8e67



I am curious why you made this false accusation in order to get the balance you lost " 0.001 " as bonus when you have already withdrawn 0.017+


In chronological order:

1. Deposited 0.01.
2. Played till I got to 0.015+ and withdrew 0.010325 (minus fees and got 0.01)
3. Played remaining balance till I got 0.01 and withdrew 0.005325 (minus fees and got 0.005)
4. Played till I got 0.015+ again. Did not withdrew.
5. Left game on autobet.
6. Did not notice game's HE changed to higher than 1% and lost all of the 0.015
7. Site cheated me 0.0005 x 4 winning bets at 1.02 chance. (you call it visual bug but your site eat up my 0.002) Then did yolo bet on the remaining.
8. Lacker (a site admin or whatever) refunded my 0.002  and did not pay my wins actually (though it was just small so whatever.)
9. I withdrew the 0.002 he gave, since I lost trust in your site.

Yep I won 0.017+ but actually I could have won more if you didn't change the HE mid game. And here we go again. I could have just took the 0.015 more and could have withdrawn 0.03+, but you changed the HE and cheated my rolls.

Edit: Compare my version to your logs and you'll see they match. This is not a false accusation!

Edit2: Don't also call it a bonus! It is nowhere near a bonus! You owe me that amount because your system failed or cheated, I don't know. You owe me that!

It's admin,
As dev explained the full situation.

- There was visual bug " True "
- You can see your past in All bets " It shows your all the bets you have made since your account was made "
- You have lost 0.001 Not 0.002 " As you can see in the screenshot that bet you made of 0.000617 was a max bet after winning on 1.5x "
https://gyazo.com/7482c42074b0716a4cf42ca0947f8e67

And there is no losing bet according to you.
Actually, we are quite upset with the people coming to our website and loosing due to their fault and blaming the website.
And the DT members are also giving -ve instantly to a new website just after a false accusation.
We have proved in the past, now and we will proof if it's needed in future
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- And loneshark it's clearly stated that we don't have static house edge so it's useless to blame us for that.
- We gave you that 0.002 as a bad EXP you faced by the visual bug but it's impossible to believe that you lost balance for that.


That's all I want to reply to this accusation
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May 13, 2017, 05:21:20 PM
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I give up explaining to you guys. It's getting tiresome.

A "winning bet that lost" is not the same as a "no losing bet"

Just check the damned PHOTO!

1342768, Bet amount 0.0005, target <95.09, Roll 63.39, LOST
1342767, Bet amount 0.0005, target <95.09, Roll 31.06, LOST
1342765, Bet amount 0.0005, target <95.09, Roll 28.35, LOST
1342763, Bet amount 0.0005, target <95.09, Roll 20.75, LOST

Simple math 4 x 0.0005 = 0.002. NOT 0.001! Wtf?! You call yourself the math guy? :/

Visual bug that ate my balance?! Then that is not visual only! :/

Also why do you bring up the bet 1342789!? That is not the bets in question. Oh my god. :/

I would not blame your site if it was legit! Check my account on yolodice. I lost 0.5btc there. I did not complain, because they are LEGIT. Unlike yours and you don't admit it. If it was an error admit your damned mistake!

AGAIN FOR THE Nth F*ing TIME, 0.002BTC YOU GAVE WAS NOT A F*ing BONUS! YOU OWE ME THAT BECAUSE YOUR SYSTEM ATE UP MY BALANCE!!!! DO NOT EVER EVER MENTION THIS SHIT AGAIN!

I also give up on your ignorance. You still owe me money here and you know it. Also, do not f*ing forget you still owe me for your giveaway which will be on the 15th!

EDIT: PS. I just love how the site just freezes whenever I click on bet history. Best site ever! Cheesy

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Paradice seem to be scammer and after a proper explanation by Lone Shark they are now giving baseless reasons to hide their scam/bug.

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Paradice seem to be scammer and after a proper explanation by Lone Shark they are now giving baseless reasons to hide their scam/bug.

The only problem we are having an idiot user called Lone Shark. It can be easily seen here the bets he is talking about: https://gyazo.com/7482c42074b0716a4cf42ca0947f8e67

Another problem is the we were too kind and gave him 0.002.

We learned from these mistakes and next time we will just close the accounts of users who make this kind of false accusations with no future comments.
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May 19, 2017, 04:49:01 AM
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Paradice seem to be scammer and after a proper explanation by Lone Shark they are now giving baseless reasons to hide their scam/bug.

The only problem we are having an idiot user called Lone Shark. It can be easily seen here the bets he is talking about: https://gyazo.com/7482c42074b0716a4cf42ca0947f8e67

Another problem is the we were too king and gave him 0.002.

We learned from these mistakes and next time we will just close the accounts of users who make this kind of false accusations with no future comments.

Yeah, very professional from you guys. You always call that 0.002BTC as "bonus" of your kind generosity! But in fact, it is something you OWE me. Since your site had a bug that made me lose 4 straight bets at 0.0005BTC each bet. That means you OWE me 0.002BTC and the supposed win amount. Which you did not credit by the way.

I can't stress enough how irrational and unprofessional you guys are. No way your site is going to get anywhere.

About your proof, it's practically stupid to just show that as I have shown proof to you about the event and you dare not explain but just deny it. You do not even offer a concrete evidence of this. All you say is that "it's a visual bug from cloud flare".

I should open another scam accusation on you because now, you did not pay me your promised giveaway. More red coming your way. Good luck.

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How can anyone know that your picture it is not fake?

How can anyone know that your balance was affected?

Just please try to be serious.
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May 19, 2017, 05:07:36 AM
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How can anyone know that your picture it is not fake?

How can anyone know that your balance was affected?

Just please try to be serious.

What motive do I have to lie about this? All I want is to expose your sorry ass thieving dice site here, so no one else gets scammed. Just also to inform you, I don't have any photoshop skills to even fake that. You can always send it to photo forensic services that will confirm whether it was edited.

Bottomline here, I really believed your site was legit until you cheated me. You can see it even on my post about giving honest feedback on your site, which by the way you promised to give me 20mbtc for doing. Now, off to another scam accusation since you didn't pay that out for most users who joined.

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May 19, 2017, 05:09:01 AM
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Why do you think we want to lie on this? We speak here about cents. The only problem is happening inside your brain who can't get that his balance wasn't affected if the picture is true.

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May 19, 2017, 05:14:25 AM
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Why do you think we want to lie on this? We speak here about cents. The only problem is happening inside your brain who can't get that his balance wasn't affected if the picture is true.



I give up talking to you guys. It's pointless, all you do is deny and insult. Just offer the community a reasonable explanation, if you cannot then keep the red tag on you and good luck getting gamblers to play at your site.

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May 19, 2017, 10:53:52 AM
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Let's ignore the variable house edge element for now. I believe it's part of the issue here (and I think it's a bad idea in general), but this is a bug that goes far beyond the way that system was intended. My calculation might be off here, but I think losing a x1.02 "roll under" bet with a roll of 20.75 would require a house edge near 80%, nothing like the 0.5 to 3% intended.

ParaDice.io: The bet history that you show doesn't explain what happened to the 0.015 balance that Lone Shark says he had made after his withdrawals - it only shows 5 losses totalling about a tenth of that. With the assumption that Lone Shark is telling the truth about having that balance in the first place, the most reasonable explanation here is that the bug he showed caused him to lose the rest. I think your bet history is coded in such a way that it shows what should have happened (him winning 0.00001 with many bets), but doesn't show what actually happened at the time due to the bug (him losing 0.0005 with each of those bets.) Unless you can either prove that he never had that balance in the first place, or how he actually lost it, your site has ripped him off and you owe him compensation and an apology.

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