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May 04, 2017, 04:50:06 AM
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What happened:
1. Started gambling at paradice.io to try and get the promotion they have. [1]
2. Then I was winning so I was able to withdraw my original 0.01BTC[2] deposit and played with only the winnings of 0.005BTC. I was able to get it to 0.015BTC and withdrew the 0.005BTC[3]. Was also fruastrated that they placed a super low fee of only 32sat/byte, hence this will take a long ass time.
3. Then I continued my autobet and just occasionally checked it. Saw the balance dropped from 0.01BTC to 0.005BTC. I said to myself, ok maybe it was just unlucky.
4. Then I just left it again for another good 30 minutes. Saw the balance was near 0! I said to myself, damn, should have withdrawn it already when I was at 0.01BTC.
5. Just yolobet the remaining balance and won and lost it all resulting to exactly 0. Then played one 500 satoshi yolo bet coming from their faucet and lost.
6. Checked my bet history and saw 4 straight losses and to my surprise, they were actually winning bets! Attached below is proof,



After posting on their thread [4], they changed the results and made it all winning bets but did not return the amount! Now the above bets I got was turned to winning bets because I posted it in their thread and they probably are erasing the evidence now as I am typing this!

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=975321
Reference Link: paradice.io
Amount Scammed: 0.1
Payment Method: BTC
Proof of Payment: Deposit to site proof: https://blockchain.info/tx/439d5adf8877adff5e2b47c8dff981126cb47fe0a430e6089e48ae57f6e9e118
PM/Chat Logs: N/A
Additional Notes: Site may be scamming other people with this without knowing!
I hope paradice still pays that promotion or we'll all go openning new scam accusations again. :/


Reference:

[1]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1899645 | Archived: http://archive.is/ICvZs
[2]: https://blockchain.info/tx/1316cfe4c8e213846ef36d67c4007df5e649ce33824ed19d9b0f58f350c4213b | Archived: http://archive.is/36XO8
[3]: https://blockchain.info/tx/d9bb65db5c201c6e25e5e168e83a5d2408636805aee3fdeafbb3e4205974978d | Archived: http://archive.is/PcYA4
[4]: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1844659.260 | Archived: http://archive.is/rBrgU


Some additional info,

1, 0.1, 0.01, it all doesn't matter. If shit like this happens, then I am not even sure the site is legit. It may have been cheating me or every player without us even noticing! The problem is that how can I even verify that I was not cheated on my rolls before? :/
You can verify the rolls with the clients seed provided ? Or they don't have a provable fair mechanism ? This is a big red flag then.Quite sure they would have a section to verify your rolls with the secret hash.All gambling dice sites do.

Apparently, they don't! I just realize when things went south.
Then I just realize they arbitrarily changed house edge! This happened mid game when I was playing autobet, WITHOUT NOTICE. They did not even care to stop the autobet playing and announcing it in chat at least.

Also it looks like paradice changed their house edge. Before when I was betting at 1.02 multiplier the chances wer at 97.05. Look at it now. chances is only 95.09.

Come on, you guys are doing something here and it doesn't look legit at all.
In opening post you can read that ParaDice is using variable house edge, but they never said how high is that HE.

So are you sure that is not a part of their Variable House Edge system (whatever that is)?

If the House Edge is higher than 1% then there is literally no incentive to use ParaDice anyway.

I checked their house edge, it was 1% when I played. I never play on a casino higher than 1%. That is why when you put on the lowest multiplier (which is 1.02) you should be getting 97.05 chance to win. Which is now different after this incident.

Now, the chances of winning when you set your multiplier to 1.02, the chances are now 95.09 which is different from before when I started playing.

Edit: In retrospect, now that I reviewed the screenshot I posted, I see that they really did chance the house edge mid game when I was playing! I know this personally since I was trying to get their highest chances which was set at 97.05 when I started rolling! Oh come on, that's cheating right there. Without warning they changed it.

Lone Shark... what you need to do is look at your full bet history and import it into a spreadsheet and calculate the total wins and loss amounts with a running total.

Looking at these screenshots, it is impossible for anyone to say what really happened... On your screenshot, the rolls show as losses with a -0.0005. On theirs it shows as a win of +0.00001. What nobody can see, is what actually happened to the balance at this time.

You claim that it "ate your balance"... but we can not see that... and unfortunately, I doubt you can prove it unless you happened to be recording video at the time Sad
They say it was just a "visual bug" and that, while it displayed as a loss on your screen, in the server logs (and now in the new screenshot of your roll history) it shows as a win, so your balance would have been unaffected.

Like I said, dump your ENTIRE roll history... and start creating a running total based on win/loss amounts... you'd need to add/subtract any deposits/withdraws and any faucet claims...

That should at least prove one way or the other whether your account is short by the 0.002 or if in fact it was just a so-called "visual bug"...


I wish I could, but their crappy site is broken AF. When clicking betting history there, the page freezes and I have to refresh it to make it work again. I have consistently asked for a copy of all my bets, which they have not shown. Now, I think they have already doctored everything so I think it won't be reliable anymore.

Just to prove it, my screenshot showed 4 straight losses (which actually won), thinking it was legit at the time, I just yolobet the remaining balance. That is why you'll see some bets after that were broken numbers which were:

1. 0.00030850 which won so it was doubled
2. 0.00061700 which lost
3. 0.00000500 which was a faucet claim which also lost

That shows that I did get a 0 balance.

I've lost more money on other sites, far more than this. I am not here to cheat any system, I don't care if I lose just make sure it was fair. But this gambling site is a cheat. I don't care if I can't get back those few mbtc they cheated me, I care about people not going there to lose their btc to cheats!

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If it was a mistake from their side(as it seems), they will probably get in touch with you and correct your balance problem. Let us know if it is setelled by their next visit to the forum or not?


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May 04, 2017, 05:25:46 AM
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Hi loanshark,

As I already told you on paradice chat it was just a visual bug. Here is how we see in bets history: https://gyazo.com/da21020ca4c358feeafcf6adb297019d .

I talked with math guy and he explained why this happened. You all said about faster bets and I asked him to do them faster. While testing there was an erorre with cloudfare that made this to appear red appear instead of green, he offered a long explanation but I'm not so good with this stuffs. And actually you lost on your previous bets quite fair, I just checked results of all your bets.

For sure in the next 3 days, I hope users will be able to check every single bet. We still work on this.

We are sorry for this unhappy event.

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May 04, 2017, 05:37:07 AM
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Hi loanshark,

As I already told you on paradice chat it was just a visual bug. Here is how we see in bets history: https://gyazo.com/da21020ca4c358feeafcf6adb297019d .

I talked with math guy and he explained why this happened. You all said about faster bets and I asked him to do them faster. While testing there was an erorre with cloudfare that made this to appear red appear instead of green, he offered a long explanation but I'm not so good with this stuffs. And actually you lost on your previous bets quite fair, I just checked results of all your bets.

For sure in the next 3 days, I hope users will be able to check every single bet. We still work on this.

We are sorry for this unhappy event.

Lacker

Please close your shitty dice scam site!
You manipulate seed! and give fake result!

This is not visual bug!

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May 04, 2017, 05:47:47 AM
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I talked with math guy and he explained why this happened. You all said about faster bets and I asked him to do them faster. While testing there was an erorre with cloudfare that made this to appear red appear instead of green, he offered a long explanation but I'm not so good with this stuffs. And actually you lost on your previous bets quite fair, I just checked results of all your bets.
Is your Math guy autistic ? What kind of cloudflaire error turns your winning bets to losing or changes the color ? FYI,cloudflaire doesn't interact with what happens on your client side logic which is where your betting should work.You gave an explanation that we expect from a retard and not a gambling site's owner.I'd like your math guy to post what exactly happened. 

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May 04, 2017, 06:06:54 AM
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I talked with math guy and he explained why this happened. You all said about faster bets and I asked him to do them faster. While testing there was an erorre with cloudfare that made this to appear red appear instead of green, he offered a long explanation but I'm not so good with this stuffs. And actually you lost on your previous bets quite fair, I just checked results of all your bets.
Is your Math guy autistic ? What kind of cloudflaire error turns your winning bets to losing or changes the color ? FYI,cloudflaire doesn't interact with what happens on your client side logic which is where your betting should work.You gave an explanation that we expect from a retard and not a gambling site's owner.I'd like your math guy to post what exactly happened.  

This was what I was thinking. I don't think anything affects the betting system outside of their script. Well, I'd like to see some expert opinions here as well.

Sorry paradice, I don't buy the cloudflare excuse.

Edit: I also don't buy the excuse that you had someone working the script that's why it caused some problems!


Hi loanshark,

As I already told you on paradice chat it was just a visual bug. Here is how we see in bets history: https://gyazo.com/da21020ca4c358feeafcf6adb297019d .

I talked with math guy and he explained why this happened. You all said about faster bets and I asked him to do them faster. While testing there was an erorre with cloudfare that made this to appear red appear instead of green, he offered a long explanation but I'm not so good with this stuffs. And actually you lost on your previous bets quite fair, I just checked results of all your bets.

For sure in the next 3 days, I hope users will be able to check every single bet. We still work on this.

We are sorry for this unhappy event.

Lacker

I am not also buying this excuse! How can it be a visual bug when you deducted the loss on my account?! Return all my winnings, as I think you just made me lose through some technical way!

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May 04, 2017, 06:27:43 AM
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Hi loanshark,

As I already told you on paradice chat it was just a visual bug. Here is how we see in bets history: https://gyazo.com/da21020ca4c358feeafcf6adb297019d .

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If it was visual bug only then his balance should be not affected, but the fact he lost what he should win.
Curious to know how will you deal with this bug, hope not many players affected by this bug.

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May 04, 2017, 07:24:56 AM
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Hi loanshark,

As I already told you on paradice chat it was just a visual bug. Here is how we see in bets history: https://gyazo.com/da21020ca4c358feeafcf6adb297019d .

Lacker

If it was visual bug only then his balance should be not affected, but the fact he lost what he should win.
Curious to know how will you deal with this bug, hope not many players affected by this bug.

It happened only last night when dev was working on website. Now he is sleeping, when he will wake up I will come back with a proper explanation.

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May 04, 2017, 07:35:39 AM
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I have quite a bit of experience playing on other Coindice-based sites and have reason to believe this was a bug and not an intentional scam. However, if it has caused the player to lose balance when they should have won, it's obviously not a visual bug. The admin's response here fails to address the issue - the bets history he posted is irrelevant to the actual issue because it doesn't say anything regarding the history of the player's balance. If the OP is ok with this, the best way forward would be for the admin to provide a complete history of the player's bets so that the balance can be recalculated.

Also, to the OP: Was 0.1 a typo? From your explanation, the 'scammed' amount sounds like 0.01.

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May 04, 2017, 07:46:29 AM
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I have quite a bit of experience playing on other Coindice-based sites and have reason to believe this was a bug and not an intentional scam. However, if it has caused the player to lose balance when they should have won, it's obviously not a visual bug. The admin's response here fails to address the issue - the bets history he posted is irrelevant to the actual issue because it doesn't say anything regarding the history of the player's balance. If the OP is ok with this, the best way forward would be for the admin to provide a complete history of the player's bets so that the balance can be recalculated.

Also, to the OP: Was 0.1 a typo? From your explanation, the 'scammed' amount sounds like 0.01.

1, 0.1, 0.01, it all doesn't matter. If shit like this happens, then I am not even sure the site is legit. It may have been cheating me or every player without us even noticing! The problem is that how can I even verify that I was not cheated on my rolls before? :/

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May 04, 2017, 08:18:21 AM
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Lone Shark: I've noticed similar issues to this on some other modified Coindice-based sites, which seem to be caused by the site's house edge being changed mid-play to a drastically high edge - when the edge goes back to normal, the page displays the target roll as the current one, not the one at the time of the bet. The changed edge itself I believe is either due to a bug in the site or caused accidentally by someone working on the site at the time, and is not an intentional scam - however, I think the admin here is somewhat incompetent and it's irresponsible of him to run a site of this nature. I strongly advise everyone not to play here until the admin refunds you and fixes this issue and the others mentioned before.

Yes it is true, he was working on faster bets. We are really sorry for any inconvenience

In my opinion and for the sake of your sites success you really need to take it offline and fix all these bugs before you start getting some RED TRUST.

I am not aware of this issue on Coindice type betting terminals but if that is the case you really need to have it fixed before more people start complaining.



It was a 5 minutes bug, and it was only visual. Now if you check it out, auto-bet is faster and there are changes at withdraw  fee.

I also tipped loanshark a few bitcoins.

Lacker

Wow, should I be grateful to 0.002? That is what I actually lost because of your own site!

I lost 0.0005 x 4 = 0.002BTC. Thanks for paying back what you cheated owe me. :/

Also it looks like paradice changed their house edge. Before when I was betting at 1.02 multiplier the chances wer at 97.05. Look at it now. chances is only 95.09.

Come on, you guys are doing something here and it doesn't look legit at all.
Quoting this here.

I honestly believed the site at first and I actually actively gave feedback to them. Well, that was before when all this happened.
I was about positive 0.01BTC until it turned 0, how can I even check that all that was lost in a legitimate rolls? :/

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1, 0.1, 0.01, it all doesn't matter. If shit like this happens, then I am not even sure the site is legit. It may have been cheating me or every player without us even noticing! The problem is that how can I even verify that I was not cheated on my rolls before? :/
You can verify the rolls with the clients seed provided ? Or they don't have a provable fair mechanism ? This is a big red flag then.Quite sure they would have a section to verify your rolls with the secret hash.All gambling dice sites do.

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May 04, 2017, 09:22:44 AM
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1, 0.1, 0.01, it all doesn't matter. If shit like this happens, then I am not even sure the site is legit. It may have been cheating me or every player without us even noticing! The problem is that how can I even verify that I was not cheated on my rolls before? :/
You can verify the rolls with the clients seed provided ? Or they don't have a provable fair mechanism ? This is a big red flag then.Quite sure they would have a section to verify your rolls with the secret hash.All gambling dice sites do.

Apparently, they don't! I just realize when things went south.
Then I just realize they arbitrarily changed house edge! This happened mid game when I was playing autobet, WITHOUT NOTICE. They did not even care to stop the autobet playing and announcing it in chat at least.

Also it looks like paradice changed their house edge. Before when I was betting at 1.02 multiplier the chances wer at 97.05. Look at it now. chances is only 95.09.

Come on, you guys are doing something here and it doesn't look legit at all.
In opening post you can read that ParaDice is using variable house edge, but they never said how high is that HE.

So are you sure that is not a part of their Variable House Edge system (whatever that is)?

If the House Edge is higher than 1% then there is literally no incentive to use ParaDice anyway.

I checked their house edge, it was 1% when I played. I never play on a casino higher than 1%. That is why when you put on the lowest multiplier (which is 1.02) you should be getting 97.05 chance to win. Which is now different after this incident.

Now, the chances of winning when you set your multiplier to 1.02, the chances are now 95.09 which is different from before when I started playing.

Edit: In retrospect, now that I reviewed the screenshot I posted, I see that they really did chance the house edge mid game when I was playing! I know this personally since I was trying to get their highest chances which was set at 97.05 when I started rolling! Oh come on, that's cheating right there. Without warning they changed it.

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Surprised that no DT members has really tagged paradice about this. They have not really answered the accusation here. Just a measly denial and blaming it on others.

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Left a tag for now til a proper explanation comes. If its not a viable excuse theyll keep the paint

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May 06, 2017, 03:29:16 PM
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Left a tag for now til a proper explanation comes. If its not a viable excuse theyll keep the paint

Thank you Yahoo.

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May 08, 2017, 03:29:04 PM
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Left a tag for now til a proper explanation comes. If its not a viable excuse theyll keep the paint

do you know that yahoo is russian fucking monkey and scammer?

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Roboabhishek is alt acc paradice.io https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=511662

he is scammer too.

give him red trust please too
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May 08, 2017, 05:32:11 PM
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They were a scam from the beginning itself, and there is a lot of scam allegations against the owner in this forum.
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May 09, 2017, 02:51:07 AM
 #20

We just added bet history. Every user can check his old bets, as so we do ask LoneShark to check his bets and come here with a reply.
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