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May 19, 2017, 11:12:15 AM
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Let's ignore the variable house edge element for now. I believe it's part of the issue here (and I think it's a bad idea in general), but this is a bug that goes far beyond the way that system was intended. My calculation might be off here, but I think losing a x1.02 "roll under" bet with a roll of 20.75 would require a house edge near 80%, nothing like the 0.5 to 3% intended.

ParaDice.io: The bet history that you show doesn't explain what happened to the 0.015 balance that Lone Shark says he had made after his withdrawals - it only shows 5 losses totalling about a tenth of that. With the assumption that Lone Shark is telling the truth about having that balance in the first place, the most reasonable explanation here is that the bug he showed caused him to lose the rest. I think your bet history is coded in such a way that it shows what should have happened (him winning 0.00001 with many bets), but doesn't show what actually happened at the time due to the bug (him losing 0.0005 with each of those bets.) Unless you can either prove that he never had that balance in the first place, or how he actually lost it, your site has ripped him off and you owe him compensation and an apology.

I think the bet history cannot be seen on puredice.com as well.
But I can't get it.
If the balance was affected then paradice should have the real amount with a little bonus.
Practically why would admin try to ruin the image of his website on which he worked so hard for just 0.015 and on the other hand Loneshark, I think there must be confusion it could be a visual bug from CloudFlare like I saw on primedice and you said that you were away and you lost in the bets that were passed.


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May 19, 2017, 12:46:29 PM
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Let's ignore the variable house edge element for now. I believe it's part of the issue here (and I think it's a bad idea in general), but this is a bug that goes far beyond the way that system was intended. My calculation might be off here, but I think losing a x1.02 "roll under" bet with a roll of 20.75 would require a house edge near 80%, nothing like the 0.5 to 3% intended.

ParaDice.io: The bet history that you show doesn't explain what happened to the 0.015 balance that Lone Shark says he had made after his withdrawals - it only shows 5 losses totalling about a tenth of that. With the assumption that Lone Shark is telling the truth about having that balance in the first place, the most reasonable explanation here is that the bug he showed caused him to lose the rest. I think your bet history is coded in such a way that it shows what should have happened (him winning 0.00001 with many bets), but doesn't show what actually happened at the time due to the bug (him losing 0.0005 with each of those bets.) Unless you can either prove that he never had that balance in the first place, or how he actually lost it, your site has ripped him off and you owe him compensation and an apology.

I think the bet history cannot be seen on puredice.com as well.
But I can't get it.
If the balance was affected then paradice should have the real amount with a little bonus.
Practically why would admin try to ruin the image of his website on which he worked so hard for just 0.015 and on the other hand Loneshark, I think there must be confusion it could be a visual bug from CloudFlare like I saw on primedice and you said that you were away and you lost in the bets that were passed.



Can everybody stop with the VISUAL BUG! For the nth time, how can a visual bug also deduct from my account?! This argument is getting old and repetitive. Give me something else more plausible! Don't continue on giving that crap. YOU and PARADICE have consistently said this already but we all know it's BS. I give up on you guys, really.

Unless you give out concrete answers then let this scam accusation run for all I care. Everything was said already, it's all up to you guys if you want to do something about those negative trust. All I can say is that I stand by what has been stated here.

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May 20, 2017, 01:22:16 AM
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Lone Shark... what you need to do is look at your full bet history and import it into a spreadsheet and calculate the total wins and loss amounts with a running total.

Looking at these screenshots, it is impossible for anyone to say what really happened... On your screenshot, the rolls show as losses with a -0.0005. On theirs it shows as a win of +0.00001. What nobody can see, is what actually happened to the balance at this time.

You claim that it "ate your balance"... but we can not see that... and unfortunately, I doubt you can prove it unless you happened to be recording video at the time Sad
They say it was just a "visual bug" and that, while it displayed as a loss on your screen, in the server logs (and now in the new screenshot of your roll history) it shows as a win, so your balance would have been unaffected.

Like I said, dump your ENTIRE roll history... and start creating a running total based on win/loss amounts... you'd need to add/subtract any deposits/withdraws and any faucet claims...

That should at least prove one way or the other whether your account is short by the 0.002 or if in fact it was just a so-called "visual bug"...


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May 20, 2017, 05:11:33 AM
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Lone Shark... what you need to do is look at your full bet history and import it into a spreadsheet and calculate the total wins and loss amounts with a running total.

Looking at these screenshots, it is impossible for anyone to say what really happened... On your screenshot, the rolls show as losses with a -0.0005. On theirs it shows as a win of +0.00001. What nobody can see, is what actually happened to the balance at this time.

You claim that it "ate your balance"... but we can not see that... and unfortunately, I doubt you can prove it unless you happened to be recording video at the time Sad
They say it was just a "visual bug" and that, while it displayed as a loss on your screen, in the server logs (and now in the new screenshot of your roll history) it shows as a win, so your balance would have been unaffected.

Like I said, dump your ENTIRE roll history... and start creating a running total based on win/loss amounts... you'd need to add/subtract any deposits/withdraws and any faucet claims...

That should at least prove one way or the other whether your account is short by the 0.002 or if in fact it was just a so-called "visual bug"...


I wish I could, but their crappy site is broken AF. When clicking betting history there, the page freezes and I have to refresh it to make it work again. I have consistently asked for a copy of all my bets, which they have not shown. Now, I think they have already doctored everything so I think it won't be reliable anymore.

Just to prove it, my screenshot showed 4 straight losses (which actually won), thinking it was legit at the time, I just yolobet the remaining balance. That is why you'll see some bets after that were broken numbers which were:

1. 0.00030850 which won so it was doubled
2. 0.00061700 which lost
3. 0.00000500 which was a faucet claim which also lost

That shows that I did get a 0 balance.

I've lost more money on other sites, far more than this. I am not here to cheat any system, I don't care if I lose just make sure it was fair. But this gambling site is a cheat. I don't care if I can't get back those few mbtc they cheated me, I care about people not going there to lose their btc to cheats!

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May 20, 2017, 07:06:59 AM
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As we told be before we are going to refund you no matter what.
This is actually not a system bug.
It happened because of CloudFlare and there's also a possibility that you changed those numbers with Inspect Elements which is very easy even for a kid.

You are just an addicted gambler crying for your lost 0.002BTC and you are complaining and trying to what you lost back through the act of Extortion.

And I have no idea how you convinced trusted members here to believe your fake story and supporting you even when your proof makes no sense.

Now I am thinking I made a mistake giving you a bonus of 0.002 you don't deserve it on 1st place.

We admit that there was a visual bug but it's a rare one.

On the other hand as HCP said you didn't make a video but a Screen shot which can be manipulated easily.



I ask the Honorable Members on this forum to review this accusation until OP has a solid proof.
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May 20, 2017, 07:20:39 AM
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As we told be before we are going to refund you no matter what.
This is actually not a system bug.
It happened because of CloudFlare and there's also a possibility that you changed those numbers with Inspect Elements which is very easy even for a kid.

You are just an addicted gambler crying for your lost 0.002BTC and you are complaining and trying to what you lost back through the act of Extortion.

And I have no idea how you convinced trusted members here to believe your fake story and supporting you even when your proof makes no sense.

Now I am thinking I made a mistake giving you a bonus of 0.002 you don't deserve it on 1st place.

We admit that there was a visual bug but it's a rare one.

On the other hand as HCP said you didn't make a video but a Screen shot which can be manipulated easily.



I ask the Honorable Members on this forum to review this accusation until OP has a solid proof.

You guys are impossible. All you do is deny and insult. This is specially reserved for people who don't have any argument, like a kid that got caught doing bad. I convinced them with proof and your bad attitude. What makes no sense are all your argument in this thread.

Again "bonus" is not the proper term. IT'S FREAKING REFUND BECAUSE YOUR SYSTEM CHEATED ME. Thank you for refunding me of what you cheated me. Mistake my ass. You owe me that, you cannot twist it no matter what you do. Again, visual bug my ass. Go shut down your scam site.

Also, what proof did you show? A screenshot as well right? I'll just let the people decide for this. I'm done with your scam site.


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May 20, 2017, 07:33:14 AM
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Shouting like that not change anything.

You are an addicted gambler trying to get your small lose by the act of extortion.

Plus you will pay for what you have done in the last couple of days to hurt the reputation of my project.
Everyone know that the proof you have provided cannot be considered.

And the way you said I will let members decide shows that you want to slip away that easy

We were ignoring you because of your actions


EDIT: I am sorry for this unprofessional behavior.
Actually I am pissed by the actions of loneshark and which is to obtain money by Threatening us instead of talking in a proper way.
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May 20, 2017, 07:41:27 AM
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--snipe--
So after reading both sides of the story,I jumped to a few conclusions/rhetorical questions -
-Paradice,why not ask your developer to elaborate on the bug instead you giving vague examples ?
-LoanShark,considering you're correct,what you want to do next ? They've already been tagged by the DT.You should just stop playing there maybe ?
- Paradice,you don't run a business with that attitude especially when you're suspected for cheating.
 


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May 20, 2017, 07:46:20 AM
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I am sure admin is a bit pissed of by the actions of loneshark.
But what admin said is true on PD we use inspect elements to make fun of each other and it can be used for the cause also.

I can see that yahoo changed his feedback to neutral maybe he's satisfied what the admin said.

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May 20, 2017, 08:27:34 AM
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Shouting like that not change anything.

You are an addicted gambler trying to get your small lose by the act of extortion.

Plus you will pay for what you have done in the last couple of days to hurt the reputation of my project.
Everyone know that the proof you have provided cannot be considered.

And the way you said I will let members decide shows that you want to slip away that easy

We were ignoring you because of your actions


EDIT: I am sorry for this unprofessional behavior.
Actually I am pissed by the actions of loneshark and which is to obtain money by Threatening us instead of talking in a proper way.

That was not a shout. You cant shout through the internet that would be preposterous.

Where was the threat in all that I stated here? All I posted here were facts nothing else. All I wanted was a good explanation. But what did you do? You resulted to just insults and denials. You also always claim i should be greatful. But why should I? You owe me that and you should be the one that should be apologetic and not an arogant prick.

If I want to get back my loses, I should have opened a scam accusation against yolodice. Too bad I saw your so called "bugs" and exposed you to the world.

Yahoo changed his feedback, but he still warns people of this still open scam accusation which you still have not answered by the way.

I'm unwatching this thread. Peace out.

Edit: @roboguy, I don't necessary accept whatever you say since you have a great bais for working for them.

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May 20, 2017, 09:44:30 AM
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// @Loneshark

Im very sorry for this confusion, i was working on the backend while user Loneshark was playing, there was a setting "cache whole site and display as live" in cloudflare wich may caused this bug to happen while server was rebooting.

After the server had rebooted, you should automaticly get redirected from that "live caching page" to the actual "live site". I think this is what happened.

I've also watched the server logs of course, and it says that youve won the mentioned bets, wich u lost on the screenshot.
 But this was only a Unique visual bug, and took like 5seconds and wont happen again in future, also you dont even lost money through this bug, i think its a bit harsch to directly open scam accussion, also you declare the situation very long, do you get paid for finding bugs and post them instantly? as you didnt loss a cent, and played over hours, you find this 5sec bug and screenshot it within time and describe a full scam thread? bcaus of what?

We will from now on use a Maintaince site for this kind of work, again im very sorry for confusion and all that time it took you


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I still am puzzled up a bit here. Hope some one can make this easier for me to understand.

So bug was a visual bug only that was caused when server got down and rebooted and LoneShark placed bet at that very time and got his bets result wrong due to that. Am I right?  Undecided

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May 20, 2017, 10:03:35 AM
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What Lone Shark is saying is that he had money in his balance which was lost because of bets with the wrong result, and the bet history as it appears now does not reflect what actually happened. Assuming his claim is true, if they were to look at his earlier bets, they would find 0.013 (give or take) of winnings which are unaccounted for. Paradice.io keeps posting the wrong part of the bet history as irrelevant 'proof', which may be a mistake on their part, or may be feigning ignorance.

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July 21, 2017, 10:33:11 AM
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I am really sorry for oppening again such a thread. But I just saw their gambling page and they are continous changing the website to a better version.

Are they a scam casino? As far as I saw there is no legitimate proof or understanding of what happened here....

The feedback is neutral from trusted users ... and i don't get why it is neutral

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July 21, 2017, 11:19:47 AM
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I am really sorry for oppening again such a thread. But I just saw their gambling page and they are continous changing the website to a better version.

Are they a scam casino? As far as I saw there is no legitimate proof or understanding of what happened here....

The feedback is neutral from trusted users ... and i don't get why it is neutral

The whole story is that LoneShark claimed that he lost some mbtc on paradice and as a proof, he showed a screen shot in which bet should be a winning one but it was a lose.
I don't think a screen shot proof is enough to prove something as it can be easily manipulated and the same thing people thought who gave Paradice -ve after this scam accusation and that's why they turned it to neutral unless everything is solved.

You can read more what happened above.

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