Trump's arms deal with Saudi Arabia cost taxpayers $100b

[Wa(t)ch_night()]

Who knows? Maybe the master plan is to reduce worldwide Muslim population by proxy war with ISIS.

Arm Iran (by Russia, China), arm Saudis (US, Germany), ISIS and Iraqis, Syrian factions, Kurds, Turkey etc.

Let them fight each other to reduce the number of Muslims worldwide.

You sit, count the money and count the bodies (Muslim and non-Muslim)....

Problem with this plan is that it just takes too long...and in the end you'll not solve the root cause of the problem.

Jihadist ideology is part of Islam that is the root cause.

SUre!
Can't be inequality of wealth and constant exterior destabilization in order to take natural ressources.
Must be Islam.

I mean come on, we all know that the real problem is Islam, and there is a great correlation between the two because as we all know terrorism started with Islam! Wait... Didn't it started after the whole numerous wars in Middle East?

No, can't be that. Can't be our fault.

Yeah it's Islam!

Continue going back in time and you'll eventually see the problem...

If we go back in time what do we see?
Few wars between ottoman empire and west.
Colonization.
Crusades.
Shit like this?
Wanna count the points?
Not sure West is the winner here...

Of course they aren't. The West, as a whole, didn't become an major aggressor in the Middle East until much, much later after it has become rich from wealth pouring from the colonies and has basically surpassed the Muslims in technology. The Crusades are more of an anomaly and bound to fail anyway. The Middle East was already fucked up under the Ottomans, and became fuckedx2 once the borders were drawn when the empire shrunk and became Turkey.

I have never seen the President of America so much in friendly relations with the leaders of the Arab countries. Apparently money is doing its job and financial matters are much more important than the issue of religion or politics in general. So it's better Let it be so than war in delusions.

[Lancusters]

The Arabs are very clever people. If they're so happy with the deal and even gave Ivanka a 100 million dollars I was very alarming. Sure this deal is worth close examination. Trump an inexperienced politician and I think that for the material gain it may not be seen as a political defeat.

[Snail2]

If we go back in time what do we see?
Few wars between ottoman empire and west.
Colonization.
Crusades.
Shit like this?
Wanna count the points?
Not sure West is the winner here...

The West will win. Those arabs are divided in every possible way and as the wahhabis and Iran gaining ground, those divisions are getting deeper and deeper every day.

Crusades were a natural answer to the earlier muslim invasion of Europe (Spain, Sicily, France, Italy and the Byzantine territories, Armenia, Georgia). After the beginning or the Reconquista, recapturing Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and Cyprus, bringing the war back to the Middle East was the best defence against further incursions and also relived the pressure on the Byzantine Empire. So the tusken were kept at bay and away from our lands for nearly 200 years what gave us enough time to prepare for the next invasion (ottomans).

The ottomans occupied the whole Balkans, the Romanian principalities, half of Hungary, South Ukraine and repeatedly launched large scale attacks towards the west.

So, mate who used to invade whom?

[TheCoinGrabber]

Who knows? Maybe the master plan is to reduce worldwide Muslim population by proxy war with ISIS.

Arm Iran (by Russia, China), arm Saudis (US, Germany), ISIS and Iraqis, Syrian factions, Kurds, Turkey etc.

Let them fight each other to reduce the number of Muslims worldwide.

You sit, count the money and count the bodies (Muslim and non-Muslim)....

Problem with this plan is that it just takes too long...and in the end you'll not solve the root cause of the problem.

Jihadist ideology is part of Islam that is the root cause.

SUre!
Can't be inequality of wealth and constant exterior destabilization in order to take natural ressources.
Must be Islam.

I mean come on, we all know that the real problem is Islam, and there is a great correlation between the two because as we all know terrorism started with Islam! Wait... Didn't it started after the whole numerous wars in Middle East?

No, can't be that. Can't be our fault.

Yeah it's Islam!

Continue going back in time and you'll eventually see the problem...

If we go back in time what do we see?
Few wars between ottoman empire and west.
Colonization.
Crusades.
Shit like this?
Wanna count the points?
Not sure West is the winner here...

Of course they aren't. The West, as a whole, didn't become an major aggressor in the Middle East until much, much later after it has become rich from wealth pouring from the colonies and has basically surpassed the Muslims in technology. The Crusades are more of an anomaly and bound to fail anyway. The Middle East was already fucked up under the Ottomans, and became fuckedx2 once the borders were drawn when the empire shrunk and became Turkey.

I have never seen the President of America so much in friendly relations with the leaders of the Arab countries. Apparently money is doing its job and financial matters are much more important than the issue of religion or politics in general. So it's better Let it be so than war in delusions.

More like the realities of politics finally caught up to him. This was OK during campaigns to get the people to believe him but cutting off contact would be messy.

And so the SaudiXAmerica love/hate story continues...

If we go back in time what do we see?
Few wars between ottoman empire and west.
Colonization.
Crusades.
Shit like this?
Wanna count the points?
Not sure West is the winner here...

The West will win. Those arabs are divided in every possible way and as the wahhabis and Iran gaining ground, those divisions are getting deeper and deeper every day.

Crusades were a natural answer to the earlier muslim invasion of Europe (Spain, Sicily, France, Italy and the Byzantine territories, Armenia, Georgia). After the beginning or the Reconquista, recapturing Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and Cyprus, bringing the war back to the Middle East was the best defence against further incursions and also relived the pressure on the Byzantine Empire. So the tusken were kept at bay and away from our lands for nearly 200 years what gave us enough time to prepare for the next invasion (ottomans).

The ottomans occupied the whole Balkans, the Romanian principalities, half of Hungary, South Ukraine and repeatedly launched large scale attacks towards the west.

So, mate who used to invade whom?

And now you've allowed them to come in unchecked. Have you seen what's happening here in the Philippines? Plenty of them will not integrate.

[mainpmf]

If we go back in time what do we see?
Few wars between ottoman empire and west.
Colonization.
Crusades.
Shit like this?
Wanna count the points?
Not sure West is the winner here...

The West will win. Those arabs are divided in every possible way and as the wahhabis and Iran gaining ground, those divisions are getting deeper and deeper every day.

Crusades were a natural answer to the earlier muslim invasion of Europe (Spain, Sicily, France, Italy and the Byzantine territories, Armenia, Georgia). After the beginning or the Reconquista, recapturing Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and Cyprus, bringing the war back to the Middle East was the best defence against further incursions and also relived the pressure on the Byzantine Empire. So the tusken were kept at bay and away from our lands for nearly 200 years what gave us enough time to prepare for the next invasion (ottomans).

The ottomans occupied the whole Balkans, the Romanian principalities, half of Hungary, South Ukraine and repeatedly launched large scale attacks towards the west.

So, mate who used to invade whom?

Oh if you really want to play historic game you'll have to go back a bit earlier in time :p
Catholic roman empire?
Does it ring a bell in terms of massive invasion? ^^

But my point was never to say "bah we're the evil ones we've started the crusades blame ourselves and let us all kill ourselves in regrets"
Not at all.

My point is that the problem is NOT ISLAM. The problem is that we've been destabilizing, attacking, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents men women and children only to steal them their ressources.
Is it evil? Well it's human nature, I'm not going to judge, and I'm using those ressources.
But islamic extremism is just the consequence of that, there is no reason and no need to feel like we're the victims, that's all I'm saying. They're the victims and we fucked them pretty hard. That's all I'm saying.

[Snail2]

The West will win. Those arabs are divided in every possible way and as the wahhabis and Iran gaining ground, those divisions are getting deeper and deeper every day.

Crusades were a natural answer to the earlier muslim invasion of Europe (Spain, Sicily, France, Italy and the Byzantine territories, Armenia, Georgia). After the beginning or the Reconquista, recapturing Sicily, Malta, Rhodes and Cyprus, bringing the war back to the Middle East was the best defence against further incursions and also relived the pressure on the Byzantine Empire. So the tusken were kept at bay and away from our lands for nearly 200 years what gave us enough time to prepare for the next invasion (ottomans).

The ottomans occupied the whole Balkans, the Romanian principalities, half of Hungary, South Ukraine and repeatedly launched large scale attacks towards the west.

So, mate who used to invade whom?

And now you've allowed them to come in unchecked. Have you seen what's happening here in the Philippines? Plenty of them will not integrate.

No, I didn't. Unfortunately our elected puppets and unelected leaders never asked for my opinion. Actually I doubt that they ever asked for anybody's opinion. Nevermind, the pendulum eventually going to swing back as always did, and then... Well, I guess you know how things used to end for closed and non-integrated communities with distinctive appearance and outfits when some of their members pissing off everybody else.

[Masha Sha]

I am curious to know what Bitcointalk's opinion is about this.

"Saudi Arabia and many of the countries that gave cast amounts of money to the Clinton Foundation want women as slaves and to kill gays. Hillary must return all money from such countries!"
~Pre-election Trump

To be very honest, I doubt this will make a difference, if Trump supporters could be convinced with reason, they wouldn't have voted for him in the first place.

Melania was angry with trump visit to the harem... she felt threatened.

[Snail2]

Oh if you really want to play historic game you'll have to go back a bit earlier in time :p
Catholic roman empire?
Does it ring a bell in terms of massive invasion? ^^

But my point was never to say "bah we're the evil ones we've started the crusades blame ourselves and let us all kill ourselves in regrets"
Not at all.

Yes? And then what? That was the evolution of the pagan Roman Empire. BTW the Romans were pretty much uninterested in Arabia and were allies to the northern arab tribes against the Parthians. So the southern arab tribes could keep fucking goats and fighting for nuts with the squirrels until Muhammed turned up in the 5th century.

My point is that the problem is NOT ISLAM. The problem is that we've been destabilizing, attacking, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents men women and children only to steal them their ressources.
Is it evil? Well it's human nature, I'm not going to judge, and I'm using those ressources.
But islamic extremism is just the consequence of that, there is no reason and no need to feel like we're the victims, that's all I'm saying. They're the victims and we fucked them pretty hard. That's all I'm saying.

I think you are wrong. Islamic extremism was present from the very beginning and Islam itself is a fertile ground and perfect cause for extremists. There are countless historic examples how muslims massacred, colonized and exploited "unbelievers". Basically it's promoting a system what isn't any better than the Nuremberg Laws. The history of islam is a 1400 year history or imperialism, colonization and bloodshed. I know they trying hard to victimize themselves, but if you take a look at the historical evidence actually in most cases they were the aggressors.

About the ongoing issues I must say, their own leaders sold off their ass to us, of course we fucked them hard. Problems started when the above mentioned leaders tried to screw the deal to divert the growing anger of their hard fucked ppl while in the same time tried to get away with the bag.

[digaran]

Not only US people are paying for useless weapons(only use they have is to be delivered to the hands of terrorists like ISIS)
Question is why would they pay $75M for Israel's air defense system?
Any of you really know how many nuclear warheads US has and how much each of them cost?
Either they want to use them or want to scare others not to attack them which both are terrifying.

[bryant.coleman]

The Arabs are very clever people. If they're so happy with the deal and even gave Ivanka a 100 million dollars I was very alarming. Sure this deal is worth close examination. Trump an inexperienced politician and I think that for the material gain it may not be seen as a political defeat.

No one gave Ivanka anything. If she wants $100 million, then she can ask her father (or even her husband). The Arabs gave $100 million to some charity, and Ivanka has in the past supported it. Obviously, the rabidly biased mainstream media want to create a mountain out of a molehill, and therefore they went ballistic and claimed that Ivanka received all that money.

[TheCoinGrabber]

Oh if you really want to play historic game you'll have to go back a bit earlier in time :p
Catholic roman empire?
Does it ring a bell in terms of massive invasion? ^^

Maybe look up some vids on Youtube that shows the borders as it changed. It was already huge even before Christianity was legalized. If there were military campaigns during the time it was finally Christian-majority (which still took centuries after Constantine), it were continuation of past conflicts with surrounding polities, like Persia for example.

Compare this with Islam. All those conquest was definitely for religion. Unlike Christianity which mainly spread among the lower-class peacefully (heck, they were even fed to lions or impaled and burned on stakes), Islam was spread by the sword, with the army led by no other than Muhammad himself.

And oh, Catholicism came later during the Great Schism.

[Sithara007]

Compare this with Islam. All those conquest was definitely for religion. Unlike Christianity which mainly spread among the lower-class peacefully (heck, they were even fed to lions or impaled and burned on stakes), Islam was spread by the sword, with the army led by no other than Muhammad himself.

And oh, Catholicism came later during the Great Schism.

There is not a single country which has voluntarily accepted Islam. In all the nations, Islam was spread using force and genocide. Even now, the same is ongoing, in nations such as Sudan and Pakistan.

[TheCoinGrabber]

Compare this with Islam. All those conquest was definitely for religion. Unlike Christianity which mainly spread among the lower-class peacefully (heck, they were even fed to lions or impaled and burned on stakes), Islam was spread by the sword, with the army led by no other than Muhammad himself.

And oh, Catholicism came later during the Great Schism.

There is not a single country which has voluntarily accepted Islam. In all the nations, Islam was spread using force and genocide. Even now, the same is ongoing, in nations such as Sudan and Pakistan.

Well, it was brought through trade first in SE Asia but then it eventually was spread by Islamized polities gobbling up smaller ones in the region. So yeah, it did spread by war.

[Sithara007]

Compare this with Islam. All those conquest was definitely for religion. Unlike Christianity which mainly spread among the lower-class peacefully (heck, they were even fed to lions or impaled and burned on stakes), Islam was spread by the sword, with the army led by no other than Muhammad himself.

And oh, Catholicism came later during the Great Schism.

There is not a single country which has voluntarily accepted Islam. In all the nations, Islam was spread using force and genocide. Even now, the same is ongoing, in nations such as Sudan and Pakistan.

Well, it was brought through trade first in SE Asia but then it eventually was spread by Islamized polities gobbling up smaller ones in the region. So yeah, it did spread by war.

How many traders were there? Children born to Arab trader fathers and local women became Muslim (especially in regions such as Indonesia and Malaysia). But the population later increased only through forced conversion, abduction, genocide.etc.

[awesome31312]

Compare this with Islam. All those conquest was definitely for religion. Unlike Christianity which mainly spread among the lower-class peacefully (heck, they were even fed to lions or impaled and burned on stakes), Islam was spread by the sword, with the army led by no other than Muhammad himself.

And oh, Catholicism came later during the Great Schism.

There is not a single country which has voluntarily accepted Islam. In all the nations, Islam was spread using force and genocide. Even now, the same is ongoing, in nations such as Sudan and Pakistan.

The same can be said about Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, and just about any other religion out there.

[ClaraLuV]

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I really have my doubts in this deal,as there is no contract for a $110 billion deal but the values will be really low,since you are talking about tax payers money which tax payers you are talking about ,Saudi does not have a tax system and they are ones paying the money to US ,so what are you really trying to say here.One thing i know is that it is a billion dollar deal but the exact amount is not known other than the blunt news from the white house .