The Barry Silbert segwit2x agreement with >80% miner support.

[Searing]

Well is this Segwit2x +2mb version gonna be up in time by August 1st or are we gonna have a complete

'cluster party' ?

This guy lays it out.......I am not encouraged

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitcoin-miners-miss-first-bip-148-deadline/

You could begin the discussion as follows: "Once you have the Cat's herded...it is a simple step to......."

So, like the above 'cat herding' I don't see this being up in time and working. (or if 'rushed' ..making its own unintentional fork)

hope I am incorrect though

[ComputerGenie]

...This guy lays it out.......

His bias shows quite clearly.
There's a perverse irony in any stance that "blames" the majority of miners for "creating" a fork by changing nothing and that fork is actually due to a minority. 

[allinvain]

"The SegWit2x development team aims for July 21st to be the day that BTC1 nodes are actually up and running, and, importantly, the day that miner signaling should commence."

-bitcoin magazine

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/countdown-segwit-these-are-dates-keep-eye/

Damn this is cutting it really close. I bet a lot of bitcoiners are puckering up their butt cheeks now  

[Denker]

"The SegWit2x development team aims for July 21st to be the day that BTC1 nodes are actually up and running, and, importantly, the day that miner signaling should commence."

-bitcoin magazine

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/countdown-segwit-these-are-dates-keep-eye/

Damn this is cutting it really close. I bet a lot of bitcoiners are puckering up their butt cheeks now  

Why? I'm totally chilled! Never will I run this client! And when others are freaking out right now and sell their coins I will gladly pick them up. If BTC1 messes it up to activate SegWit then BIP148 UASF will do it. So no worries here!

[allinvain]

"The SegWit2x development team aims for July 21st to be the day that BTC1 nodes are actually up and running, and, importantly, the day that miner signaling should commence."

-bitcoin magazine

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/countdown-segwit-these-are-dates-keep-eye/

Damn this is cutting it really close. I bet a lot of bitcoiners are puckering up their butt cheeks now  

Why? I'm totally chilled! Never will I run this client! And when others are freaking out right now and sell their coins I will gladly pick them up. If BTC1 messes it up to activate SegWit then BIP148 UASF will do it. So no worries here!

Oh no doubt UASF will activate it. But I worry about the Chinese mega miners / mega pools. If they are playing a ruse it could get messy. I would really like to avoid an ETH - ETC scenario. You may be able to grab cheap bitcoin but at the end of it you'll end up with two or more "bitcoins" and your cheap bitcoins may not be so valuable in aggregate as when bitcoin was one whole entity.

Anyways, I don't want to spread FUD. Good on you that you are so chill about it!

[ComputerGenie]

...I would really like to avoid an ETH - ETC scenario...

The entire fundamental logic structure is different here. This is about choosing the "best" path forward, that was about changing the entire premise of immutability (due to a non-protocol related incident).  

[Searing]

"The SegWit2x development team aims for July 21st to be the day that BTC1 nodes are actually up and running, and, importantly, the day that miner signaling should commence."

-bitcoin magazine

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/countdown-segwit-these-are-dates-keep-eye/

Damn this is cutting it really close. I bet a lot of bitcoiners are puckering up their butt cheeks now  

Why? I'm totally chilled! Never will I run this client! And when others are freaking out right now and sell their coins I will gladly pick them up. If BTC1 messes it up to activate SegWit then BIP148 UASF will do it. So no worries here!

Oh no doubt UASF will activate it. But I worry about the Chinese mega miners / mega pools. If they are playing a ruse it could get messy. I would really like to avoid an ETH - ETC scenario. You may be able to grab cheap bitcoin but at the end of it you'll end up with two or more "bitcoins" and your cheap bitcoins may not be so valuable in aggregate as when bitcoin was one whole entity.

Anyways, I don't want to spread FUD. Good on you that you are so chill about it!

Not that I think much of this...but remember if USAF activates...bitmain claims they are gonna go UAHF and split.....(drama always drama)

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitmain-responds-uasf-another-hard-fork-announcement/

[allinvain]

...I would really like to avoid an ETH - ETC scenario...

The entire fundamental logic structure is different here. This is about choosing the "best" path forward, that was about changing the entire premise of immutability (due to a non-protocol related incident).  

You are right. Sorry I should've been more clear and not have used that as a comparison, but I only meant it to refer to a hard fork - ie a chain split.

[allinvain]

"The SegWit2x development team aims for July 21st to be the day that BTC1 nodes are actually up and running, and, importantly, the day that miner signaling should commence."

-bitcoin magazine

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/countdown-segwit-these-are-dates-keep-eye/

Damn this is cutting it really close. I bet a lot of bitcoiners are puckering up their butt cheeks now  

Why? I'm totally chilled! Never will I run this client! And when others are freaking out right now and sell their coins I will gladly pick them up. If BTC1 messes it up to activate SegWit then BIP148 UASF will do it. So no worries here!

Oh no doubt UASF will activate it. But I worry about the Chinese mega miners / mega pools. If they are playing a ruse it could get messy. I would really like to avoid an ETH - ETC scenario. You may be able to grab cheap bitcoin but at the end of it you'll end up with two or more "bitcoins" and your cheap bitcoins may not be so valuable in aggregate as when bitcoin was one whole entity.

Anyways, I don't want to spread FUD. Good on you that you are so chill about it!

Not that I think much of this...but remember if USAF activates...bitmain claims they are gonna go UAHF and split.....(drama always drama)

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/bitmain-responds-uasf-another-hard-fork-announcement/

I hope they are bluffing. In my opinion they are playing a dangerous and stupid game. Indeed drama and overt arrogance. I sometimes get the feeling that these people may be intellectually smart but probably have the mental maturity of a 10 year old. *Sigh*

[Technos]

At least they proved themselves competent in crashing the market.

[ComputerGenie]

At least they proved themselves competent in crashing the market.

Remind me, again, the logical reason why it was up that high in the 1st place 

[Technos]

At least they proved themselves competent in crashing the market.

Remind me, again, the logical reason why it was up that high in the 1st place 

It's all about demand. People buy it because they need it. Maybe there are people willing to pay a lot more in some places in the world...

[ComputerGenie]

... People buy it because they need it...

If anyone were to buy Bitcoin because they needed it, they would become the 1st person to ever do so.  

[hv_]

At least they proved themselves competent in crashing the market.

Remind me, again, the logical reason why it was up that high in the 1st place  

Yeah, the ATH is hard to get logically. Let me construct a weired logic for the drop here.

We all wonder about the monetizing agenda of blockstream.

A way to earn money is maybe: Buy now!

Why?

The most triggy part of the agenda was to find a coded solution, that would totally split the community into consumers and miners, where the dull big miners might pay them a little share on either 2nd layer fees or licence.

Or, if that doesn't play out, speculate with the predictable and currently seen unclear situation of potential chain split,  buy now cheap coins and later join back into consensus beeing the rich heros....

 

[Technos]

... People buy it because they need it...

If anyone were to buy Bitcoin because they needed it, they would become the 1st person to ever do so.  

Inflation is not an illusion. Some people really need to stay away from it.

[ComputerGenie]

...We all wonder about the monetizing agenda of blockstream...

Actually we don't; I wonder about people who wonder about people monetizing currency. 

[mindrust]

I hope they are bluffing. In my opinion they are playing a dangerous and stupid game. Indeed drama and overt arrogance. I sometimes get the feeling that these people may be intellectually smart but probably have the mental maturity of a 10 year old. *Sigh*

I hope they are not. The sooner we get rid of them, the better it is. The only reason why segwit didn't activate till now is bitmain and its cover-asicboost. If we get along with bitmain and activate segwit without a problem this time, we will have the exact same problems when the next upgrade time comes.

Again they won't like the upgrade yet they won't write a better one, again they'll throw threats of forking bitcoin but still they'll suck it up. No big deal actually but bitcoin loses the trust of common people that's all.

BTC1 itself shows us that how reckless they are. While there are only a couple weeks left to activate UASF, they expect everyone to download and run BTC1 nodes? Seriously? UASF is building up for months now. What were they doing?

I'll tell you: They were promoting their 8mb blocks.  GJ

[allinvain]

... People buy it because they need it...

If anyone were to buy Bitcoin because they needed it, they would become the 1st person to ever do so.  

One word: drugs 

[ComputerGenie]

...The only reason why segwit didn't activate till now is bitmain and its cover-asicboost...

Here, you dropped this...

[ComputerGenie]

If anyone were to buy Bitcoin because they needed it, they would become the 1st person to ever do so.  

One word: drugs 

I'm not sure that illegal activity constitutes a need.