Tax evaders and protesters give Bitcoin a bad name

[dbcch0]

Governments don't provide anything: they take from peaceful people using violent force, by definition. An organisation which does not do this is not a government, and any incoming payments it takes are not taxes.
Government is force by another name and taxation is robbery with violence by another name.

Crazy. I think I'm done. No arguing with you folks. Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that government provides essential functions that no other entity can, or will, provide, creates and enforces the law, defends the country, and protects the rights of citizens, particularly minorities who would otherwise be at the mercy of the majority.

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[TheKoziTwo]

I have no idea what he's talking about either. It's clearly an inverted version of my original post, but inversion doesn't result in any sort of logic. Mostly, these people just don't want to pay taxes, and will rationalize their non-compliance using whatever flimsy arguments they can manage to compose. They must be young, privileged, and naive, as they definitely don't realize what can and will happen to those who break the law. These arguments might be fine on a message board, but won't go *anywhere* in court!

I suppose the 'attorney' who claims that taxes are illegal sums it all up. Anyone can Google the legal precedents for themselves and - from that - derive the sanity of these people.

Whatever man, you can tax my brainwallet when you pry it from my cold dead neurons. I'm out of here.

[MiningUnited]

Chocolate rations: All the good has been used up for now.

[Severian]

Sorry I'm not familiar with that phrase. Care to explain?

It's a reference from 1984 by George Orwell. Sorry for confusion.

[TheKoziTwo]

Sorry I'm not familiar with that phrase. Care to explain?

It's a reference from 1984 by George Orwell. Sorry for confusion.

Oh ok, unfortunaly I have not gotten around to read that book yet, but it's on my todo list

[dbcch0]

Whatever man, you can tax my brainwallet when you pry it from my cold dead neurons. I'm out of here.

You'll never own anything until (for long) until you comply with tax laws. Glad to know you're too good for taxes though. Everyone else is just a bunch of 'sheep' or 'slaves', clearly not as special as you.

[Severian]

Crazy. I think I'm done. No arguing with you folks. Maybe when you grow up you'll realize that government provides essential functions that no other entity can, or will, provide, enforces the law, defends the country, and protects the rights of citizens, particularly minorities who would otherwise be at the mercy of the majority.

Government has done a terrible job of protecting people from the debt of central banks. In this case, government has been used by a minority, central bankers, to attack the majority.

Perhaps when you grow up you'll realize that human ingenuity is more powerful than the force and fraud of government. Example: Bitcoin.

[dbcch0]

Oh ok, unfortunaly I have not gotten around to read that book yet, but it's on my todo list

And here I'm reminded that I'm speaking with a bunch of teenagers, gotta remember to keep things in perspective. You people don't even know what the real world is like. Maybe, someday, when you move out of your parent's house, you'll realize the truths about society.

[Severian]

It's a reference from 1984 by George Orwell. Sorry for confusion.

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Highly recommended. I'd also suggest Brave New World by Huxley.

[dbcch0]

Perhaps when you grow up you'll realize that human ingenuity is more powerful than the force and fraud of government. Example: Bitcoin.

Same old nonsensical libertarian catch phrases. True libertarians must get awful annoyed with you people.

[Severian]

Same old nonsensical libertarian catch phrases. True libertarians must get awful annoyed with you people.

Out of curiosity, why are you on a Bitcoin forum if you have more faith in government than in technology?

[nobbynobbynoob]

Out of curiosity, why are you on a Bitcoin forum if you have more faith in government than in technology?

It could be just that: curiosity. Or just plain old trolling, of course. What would an internet forum be without trolls?

[Severian]

It could be just that: curiosity. Or just plain old trolling, of course. What would an internet forum be without trolls?

I knew him to be a troll. I just have some time to burn on this lovely Saturday.

[dbcch0]

Out of curiosity, why are you on a Bitcoin forum if you have more faith in government than in technology?

Did I say that? I never said that. And Bitcoin is not anti-government. I'm interested only in technology.

Just because government doesn't always get things right doesn't mean we should abandon all attempts at trying. There's nobody else to do the things that government does. Bitcoin doesn't, in any way shape or form, replace the essential functions of government. If you weren't so privileged, perhaps you'd realize how essential government is to empowering people to lift their lives and communities out of poverty, as opposed to selling their children into child labor and condemning their entire line of descendants into slavery. Public education, for instance, has enabled opportunities for the lower classes to rise - so that, you know, people don't get hopelessly trapped at the low end of society.

But, I suppose you'd have to be there, once in your life, to understand. And, no, you are no so inherently superior to everyone else that you - too - can not be thrown into poverty and your children condemned to a life of a little to no opportunity (what happens when they aren't provided education, and instead put to work at age 10).

If you guys don't pay your taxes, you'll see what I mean eventually.

Trying to equate Bitcoin with any sort of political philosophy, or any technology with any political philosophy, is a huge farce.

[TheKoziTwo]

You know bitcoin is going mainstream when imprudent socialist kids have arrived to discuss how bitcoin shouldn't be used for tax avoidance. Got to love it.

[Severian]

Trying to equate Bitcoin with any sort of political philosophy, or any technology with any political philosophy, is a huge farce.

The only political philosophy mentioned by Bitcoin's creator was the libertarian philosophy:

"It’s very attractive to the libertarian viewpoint if we can explain it properly. I’m better with code than with words though."

    Satoshi Nakamoto
    14 Nov 2008

He also saw Bitcoin and government as being mutually opposed:

> You will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography.

Yes, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new
territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally
controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like
Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.

Satoshi Nakamoto
07 Nov 2008

Anyone with any money in Bitcoin is making a choice between Bitcoin and government. I choose Bitcoin. YMMV.

[Severian]

You know bitcoin is going mainstream when imprudent socialist kids have arrived to discuss how bitcoin shouldn't be used for tax avoidance. Got to love it.

Or he's an IRS employee.

[dbcch0]

You know bitcoin is going mainstream when imprudent socialist kids have arrived to discuss how bitcoin shouldn't be used for tax avoidance. Got to love it.

Wow, too bad you don't know the definition of socialism. People like you are a barrier to adoption by the mainstream. I am now thinking that maybe every teenager should be forced to live on the streets, in poverty, for one year of the life, to understand why we've developed the society we have. We didn't do it 'just because'. It evolved, over time, as a solution to the problems of society. Read some history.

[dbcch0]

I'm not, because I don't need the government to provide me anything.

Just saw this. Hilarious! I guess he went (or goes) to a private school, has never driven on a road, and doesn't need the police and justice system to protect him from murderers. And he certainly can't imagine why everyone else isn't born rich too!

[kokjo]

I like your point OP, sadly this community is full of a lot of crazies right now and this type of thread just attracts them.

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