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*If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*

Hi,

first im not involved or invested in Polybius or Emercoin in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i found some really open and easy to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.

I have nothing from degrade a kindly fair company - nothing. So think about why i should say all this, if it isn't the truth in my opinion and others.

This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.

Also i see many fake accounts pushing that and try to give it a real feeling.

Here is everything i found so far.

So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius & Emercoin scam.
I just copy some qoutes and pls read this and check it for yourself.



Here is a very indepth scam investigation posted on a Russian blog that exposes the Hashcoins/Polybius scam for what it is:

Original Russian version:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%2Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto&newwindow=1&gbv=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Google translated version:

https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search%3Fq%3Dcache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%252Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto%26newwindow%3D1%26gbv%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk

As the report states, Hashcoins somehow got the original post deleted (payment or legal threats?) but thanks to the webz we can still access it.

Enjoy Smiley



https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?
If this is True- it cant be Scam! This is awsome. <3


I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

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Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

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Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.


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Another quote:
just newbies reviews

Yup - shill accounts from the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank "Team".

A quote from the Emercoin thread FYI:



No I am not a spokesman for Oleg, I'm a spokesman for logic and reason.


Right. So you think that it's logical & reasonable to advertise, promote, endorse, defend & link to a proven scam company like hashcoins on your website & your thread then.  Got it.


You have no proof to back your accusation of Polybius being a scam, otherwise you'd have presented it.


The proof is on their website, it presents itself.

https://polybius.io/#team

That polybius "Team" are the same hashcoins "Team" who scammed customers for 1000's selling vapourware. Guess who's also on that list - good old Oleg Khovayko Blockchain CTO, Emercoin. He crops up quite a lot actually, along with a few other recognisable Hashcoins/Hashflare/Chronobank/Emercoin/Polybius profiles. Of course, Emercoin & Polybius are also advertised by these Hashcoins scammers, & it's no surprise that Polybius advertise Emercoin & Hashcoins also - is that some back scratching or because it's the same people I wonder....

Let's break it down & make it easier for you, open the following web pages in different tabs:

https://www.hashcoins.com/management
https://hashflare.io/team/
https://polybius.io/#team
https://emercoin.com/team

Apart from the obvious similarities in the website layouts, the same profiles crop up over & over again on each site, proving that the same people are behind them. This is not "FUD" as you call it - it is fact & it is displayed on the websites for all to see.

Oh, and who's involved with all of them?  You guessed it - Emercoin dev Oleg Khovayko.  Don't even think about denying it - it's there for all to see.


Total USD: 19,527,830$
Participants: 17269


That's not an answer - just numbers.

Wait - WHAT!?

So those lying, cheating, thieving scumbags Hashcoins have reared their scammy heads again & are pushing another scam under a different name eh? WTF!!!!

Those motherf*ckers disappeared years ago with everyone's money - now they're back pushing another scam thinking everyone's forgotten about it?  NOT A CHANCE!

Look at all the noob shill accounts they're using to avoid using their real Hashcoins account, not to mention the BS numbers they keep posting - unf*ckingbelievable - what a joke those c*nts are.

ANYONE & EVERYONE - DO NOT GIVE HASHCOINS/POLYBIUS A SINGLE CENT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW BEFORE THEY RUN OFF WITH IT AGAIN.

I can assure you this is another Hashcoins scam - GET OUT NOW!!!


Frankly, I do not see the point of your warnings here. The necessary amount has already been collected - and you can not do anything and have no influence whatsoever ...

What? Every single second this is running forward more people lose more money. Thats extremly annoying that u easy can see whats going on, but you dont want to see.





An other point:
Here is very important document: http://www.fi.ee/public/hoiatusteated/20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf

Translation: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi.ee%2Fpublic%2Fhoiatusteated%2F20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf&edit-text=

This shows that marketing is stronger then sober thinking.

A real banking project has to have real experience, with at least Payment Institution license with confirmations of that. Hope, soon, there will be a project that will bring a legal solution with full transparency. Not only marketing.


I will open a thread for this.


And here also the answer from my mailing with Ernest and Young:
(It's german)

"vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wie Sie schon zurecht in Erwägung gezogen haben, stimmt die von Ihnen beigefügte Nachricht nicht. EY  (Ernst & Young) stand und steht mit Polybius Cryptobank in keinerlei Geschäftsverhältnis. EY hat Polybius bereits aufgefordert, anderslautende Informationen von der Website des Unternehmens zu entfernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister
"


Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"


I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" SmileySmiley (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......SmileySmiley

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

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Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away Smiley


EmerCoin is from the same organisation.

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated



99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam













Sure we can find more, but for me the fact that the same people from Hashcoin team are part of the Polybius team makes me scary enought that i wouldn't recommend to put money into Polybius & EmerCoin!





Here a list of users i believe that are involved or fake accounts to publish and move forward this scam organisation:

- FreakSeaker Makes a few posts about saying anything about Eth and Waves defs and just say Emercoin is great - makes no sense

- mzn brand new poster in polybius thread like a old known boy - just created to push the buisness and keep everything cool

- b080180d 62/62 posts about polybius and in polybius thread - repeat every post that say scam and try to push it away




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I have seen the advertisement of this project on lots of platform and think to invest this project. But this thread is confused me. Investor should explore very carefully all projects.

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Hi,

first im not involved in Polybius in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i finde some really open to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.
This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.

So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius scam warning.

I just copy some qoutes and pls read this and check it for yourself.


https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?
If this is True- it cant be Scam! This is awsome. <3


I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

https://s12.postimg.org/t4j1mhwlp/HC1.pngfree photo hosting

Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

https://s30.postimg.org/kovjkjy7l/image.pngimage ru

Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.


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Another quote:
just newbies reviews

Yup - shill accounts from the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank "Team".

A quote from the Emercoin thread FYI:



No I am not a spokesman for Oleg, I'm a spokesman for logic and reason.


Right. So you think that it's logical & reasonable to advertise, promote, endorse, defend & link to a proven scam company like hashcoins on your website & your thread then.  Got it.


You have no proof to back your accusation of Polybius being a scam, otherwise you'd have presented it.


The proof is on their website, it presents itself.

https://polybius.io/#team

That polybius "Team" are the same hashcoins "Team" who scammed customers for 1000's selling vapourware. Guess who's also on that list - good old Oleg Khovayko Blockchain CTO, Emercoin. He crops up quite a lot actually, along with a few other recognisable Hashcoins/Hashflare/Chronobank/Emercoin/Polybius profiles. Of course, Emercoin & Polybius are also advertised by these Hashcoins scammers, & it's no surprise that Polybius advertise Emercoin & Hashcoins also - is that some back scratching or because it's the same people I wonder....

Let's break it down & make it easier for you, open the following web pages in different tabs:

https://www.hashcoins.com/management
https://hashflare.io/team/
https://polybius.io/#team
https://emercoin.com/team

Apart from the obvious similarities in the website layouts, the same profiles crop up over & over again on each site, proving that the same people are behind them. This is not "FUD" as you call it - it is fact & it is displayed on the websites for all to see.

Oh, and who's involved with all of them?  You guessed it - Emercoin dev Oleg Khovayko.  Don't even think about denying it - it's there for all to see.


Total USD: 19,527,830$
Participants: 17269


That's not an answer - just numbers.

Wait - WHAT!?

So those lying, cheating, thieving scumbags Hashcoins have reared their scammy heads again & are pushing another scam under a different name eh? WTF!!!!

Those motherf*ckers disappeared years ago with everyone's money - now they're back pushing another scam thinking everyone's forgotten about it?  NOT A CHANCE!

Look at all the noob shill accounts they're using to avoid using their real Hashcoins account, not to mention the BS numbers they keep posting - unf*ckingbelievable - what a joke those c*nts are.

ANYONE & EVERYONE - DO NOT GIVE HASHCOINS/POLYBIUS A SINGLE CENT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW BEFORE THEY RUN OFF WITH IT AGAIN.

I can assure you this is another Hashcoins scam - GET OUT NOW!!!


Frankly, I do not see the point of your warnings here. The necessary amount has already been collected - and you can not do anything and have no influence whatsoever ...

What? Every single second this is running forward more people lose more money. Thats extremly annoying that u easy can see whats going on, but you dont want to see.

An other point:
Here is very important document: http://www.fi.ee/public/hoiatusteated/20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf

Translation: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi.ee%2Fpublic%2Fhoiatusteated%2F20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf&edit-text=

This shows that marketing is stronger then sober thinking.

A real banking project has to have real experience, with at least Payment Institution license with confirmations of that. Hope, soon, there will be a project that will bring a legal solution with full transparency. Not only marketing.


I will open a thread for this.


And here also the answer from my mailing with Ernest and Young:
(It's german)

"vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wie Sie schon zurecht in Erwägung gezogen haben, stimmt die von Ihnen beigefügte Nachricht nicht. EY  (Ernst & Young) stand und steht mit Polybius Cryptobank in keinerlei Geschäftsverhältnis. EY hat Polybius bereits aufgefordert, anderslautende Informationen von der Website des Unternehmens zu entfernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister
"


Sure we can find more, but for me the fact that the same people from Hashcoin team are part of the Polybius team makes me scary enought that i wouldn't recommend to put money into Polybius!


What did you think?

thank you for your concern, mate Smiley
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June 17, 2017, 04:26:32 AM
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I fall for Hashocean (only a few bucks) and after that i saw this all a bit different. Now i ask myself how i could be so stupid  Wink

This is very importand that trusted people show newbies and unknown that this whole project is obv a scam and do not will deliver what they promise.
Everybody who spend money into this cant say he do not know this after they scam and run away.


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Update this thread is now for Polybius AND EmerCoin - cause it is the same organisation.

Just think about.

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bump this thread pls

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Not sure but it totally looks like a scam. They do not even bother to reply to accusation.
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AFAIK, Emercoin is not a scam, who do you judge it as a scam? I wonder it.
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June 17, 2017, 06:29:30 AM
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AFAIK, Emercoin is not a scam, who do you judge it as a scam? I wonder it.

Why is Oleg Khovayko involved in Emercoin and Polybius and on Polybius there is advertising for Hashcoins`?
Explain how someone from a real multi million dollar buisness would ACCEPT that his name is connected with a proofen scam?

Open your eyes, the dream is over.

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Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"
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Thank you for your reminder
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Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

holy shit!!
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cant believe it,a lot of people invest in EMC.
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cant believe it,a lot of people invest in EMC.

Sure i think it would be the next big thing. Think about it. If you check the different sites you will see, that this is all one organisation and sure its possible to scam in this way.
Yesterday there was Cloudmining scams, today are ICOs.

There are so many facts that shows, that a multi million dollar buisness wouldn't act like them. Why these fake news? Why the advertising too a proofen scam? Why the same people in different projects?
Why no official statement and defence?

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June 17, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
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even tough everyone has different judgments. Does polybius and Eamercoin use escrow? If yes of course we do not have to worry right?

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June 17, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
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Nevertheless, everyone has different judgments. Does polybius and Eamercoin use escrow? If yes of course we do not have to worry right?


Do they use escrow?

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June 17, 2017, 09:22:16 AM
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!?

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June 17, 2017, 09:25:36 AM
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That didn't even take effort, and people would still throw money at them.

Nice job OP, hopefully this thread stays bumped until we get an answer / resolution.

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June 17, 2017, 09:30:38 AM
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what ir related polybus dev with hashoseean
why you post srceenshoot hashocean profile if not related with polybus

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June 17, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
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what ir related polybus dev with hashoseean
why you post srceenshoot hashocean profile if not related with polybus

Nobody says Hashocean is related with polybius - HASHCOINS! Also with Hashflare and Emercoin. Look into the open post and visit the different websites.

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