[Warning] Polybius & EmerCoin - Scam

[lockept93]

*If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*

Hi,

first im not involved or invested in Polybius or Emercoin in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i found some really open and easy to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.

I have nothing from degrade a kindly fair company - nothing. So think about why i should say all this, if it isn't the truth in my opinion and others.

This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.

Also i see many fake accounts pushing that and try to give it a real feeling.

Here is everything i found so far.

So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius & Emercoin scam.
I just copy some qoutes and pls read this and check it for yourself.

Here is a very indepth scam investigation posted on a Russian blog that exposes the Hashcoins/Polybius scam for what it is:

Original Russian version:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%2Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto&newwindow=1&gbv=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Google translated version:

https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search%3Fq%3Dcache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%252Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto%26newwindow%3D1%26gbv%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk

As the report states, Hashcoins somehow got the original post deleted (payment or legal threats?) but thanks to the webz we can still access it.

Enjoy Smiley

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?
If this is True- it cant be Scam! This is awsome. <3

I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

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Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

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Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.

"Powered by HASHCOINS"

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Another quote:

just newbies reviews

Yup - shill accounts from the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank "Team".

A quote from the Emercoin thread FYI:

No I am not a spokesman for Oleg, I'm a spokesman for logic and reason.

Right. So you think that it's logical & reasonable to advertise, promote, endorse, defend & link to a proven scam company like hashcoins on your website & your thread then.  Got it.

You have no proof to back your accusation of Polybius being a scam, otherwise you'd have presented it.

The proof is on their website, it presents itself.

https://polybius.io/#team

That polybius "Team" are the same hashcoins "Team" who scammed customers for 1000's selling vapourware. Guess who's also on that list - good old Oleg Khovayko Blockchain CTO, Emercoin. He crops up quite a lot actually, along with a few other recognisable Hashcoins/Hashflare/Chronobank/Emercoin/Polybius profiles. Of course, Emercoin & Polybius are also advertised by these Hashcoins scammers, & it's no surprise that Polybius advertise Emercoin & Hashcoins also - is that some back scratching or because it's the same people I wonder....

Let's break it down & make it easier for you, open the following web pages in different tabs:

https://www.hashcoins.com/management
https://hashflare.io/team/
https://polybius.io/#team
https://emercoin.com/team

Apart from the obvious similarities in the website layouts, the same profiles crop up over & over again on each site, proving that the same people are behind them. This is not "FUD" as you call it - it is fact & it is displayed on the websites for all to see.

Oh, and who's involved with all of them?  You guessed it - Emercoin dev Oleg Khovayko.  Don't even think about denying it - it's there for all to see.

Total USD: 19,527,830$
Participants: 17269

That's not an answer - just numbers.

Wait - WHAT!?

So those lying, cheating, thieving scumbags Hashcoins have reared their scammy heads again & are pushing another scam under a different name eh? WTF!!!!

Those motherf*ckers disappeared years ago with everyone's money - now they're back pushing another scam thinking everyone's forgotten about it?  NOT A CHANCE!

Look at all the noob shill accounts they're using to avoid using their real Hashcoins account, not to mention the BS numbers they keep posting - unf*ckingbelievable - what a joke those c*nts are.

ANYONE & EVERYONE - DO NOT GIVE HASHCOINS/POLYBIUS A SINGLE CENT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW BEFORE THEY RUN OFF WITH IT AGAIN.

I can assure you this is another Hashcoins scam - GET OUT NOW!!!

Frankly, I do not see the point of your warnings here. The necessary amount has already been collected - and you can not do anything and have no influence whatsoever ...

What? Every single second this is running forward more people lose more money. Thats extremly annoying that u easy can see whats going on, but you dont want to see.





An other point:

Here is very important document: http://www.fi.ee/public/hoiatusteated/20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf

Translation: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi.ee%2Fpublic%2Fhoiatusteated%2F20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf&edit-text=

This shows that marketing is stronger then sober thinking.

A real banking project has to have real experience, with at least Payment Institution license with confirmations of that. Hope, soon, there will be a project that will bring a legal solution with full transparency. Not only marketing.

I will open a thread for this.

And here also the answer from my mailing with Ernest and Young:
(It's german)

"vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wie Sie schon zurecht in Erwägung gezogen haben, stimmt die von Ihnen beigefügte Nachricht nicht. EY  (Ernst & Young) stand und steht mit Polybius Cryptobank in keinerlei Geschäftsverhältnis. EY hat Polybius bereits aufgefordert, anderslautende Informationen von der Website des Unternehmens zu entfernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

EmerCoin is from the same organisation.

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated



99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam

Sure we can find more, but for me the fact that the same people from Hashcoin team are part of the Polybius team makes me scary enought that i wouldn't recommend to put money into Polybius & EmerCoin!





Here a list of users i believe that are involved or fake accounts to publish and move forward this scam organisation:

- FreakSeaker Makes a few posts about saying anything about Eth and Waves defs and just say Emercoin is great - makes no sense

- mzn brand new poster in polybius thread like a old known boy - just created to push the buisness and keep everything cool

- b080180d 62/62 posts about polybius and in polybius thread - repeat every post that say scam and try to push it away




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[mela65]

I have seen the advertisement of this project on lots of platform and think to invest this project. But this thread is confused me. Investor should explore very carefully all projects.

[b080180d]

Hi,

first im not involved in Polybius in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i finde some really open to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.
This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.

So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius scam warning.

I just copy some qoutes and pls read this and check it for yourself.

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?
If this is True- it cant be Scam! This is awsome. <3

I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

https://s12.postimg.org/t4j1mhwlp/HC1.pngfree photo hosting

Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

https://s30.postimg.org/kovjkjy7l/image.pngimage ru

Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.

"Powered by HASHCOINS"

*close


Another quote:

just newbies reviews

Yup - shill accounts from the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank "Team".

A quote from the Emercoin thread FYI:

No I am not a spokesman for Oleg, I'm a spokesman for logic and reason.

Right. So you think that it's logical & reasonable to advertise, promote, endorse, defend & link to a proven scam company like hashcoins on your website & your thread then.  Got it.

You have no proof to back your accusation of Polybius being a scam, otherwise you'd have presented it.

The proof is on their website, it presents itself.

https://polybius.io/#team

That polybius "Team" are the same hashcoins "Team" who scammed customers for 1000's selling vapourware. Guess who's also on that list - good old Oleg Khovayko Blockchain CTO, Emercoin. He crops up quite a lot actually, along with a few other recognisable Hashcoins/Hashflare/Chronobank/Emercoin/Polybius profiles. Of course, Emercoin & Polybius are also advertised by these Hashcoins scammers, & it's no surprise that Polybius advertise Emercoin & Hashcoins also - is that some back scratching or because it's the same people I wonder....

Let's break it down & make it easier for you, open the following web pages in different tabs:

https://www.hashcoins.com/management
https://hashflare.io/team/
https://polybius.io/#team
https://emercoin.com/team

Apart from the obvious similarities in the website layouts, the same profiles crop up over & over again on each site, proving that the same people are behind them. This is not "FUD" as you call it - it is fact & it is displayed on the websites for all to see.

Oh, and who's involved with all of them?  You guessed it - Emercoin dev Oleg Khovayko.  Don't even think about denying it - it's there for all to see.

Total USD: 19,527,830$
Participants: 17269

That's not an answer - just numbers.

Wait - WHAT!?

So those lying, cheating, thieving scumbags Hashcoins have reared their scammy heads again & are pushing another scam under a different name eh? WTF!!!!

Those motherf*ckers disappeared years ago with everyone's money - now they're back pushing another scam thinking everyone's forgotten about it?  NOT A CHANCE!

Look at all the noob shill accounts they're using to avoid using their real Hashcoins account, not to mention the BS numbers they keep posting - unf*ckingbelievable - what a joke those c*nts are.

ANYONE & EVERYONE - DO NOT GIVE HASHCOINS/POLYBIUS A SINGLE CENT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW BEFORE THEY RUN OFF WITH IT AGAIN.

I can assure you this is another Hashcoins scam - GET OUT NOW!!!

Frankly, I do not see the point of your warnings here. The necessary amount has already been collected - and you can not do anything and have no influence whatsoever ...

What? Every single second this is running forward more people lose more money. Thats extremly annoying that u easy can see whats going on, but you dont want to see.

An other point:

Here is very important document: http://www.fi.ee/public/hoiatusteated/20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf

Translation: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi.ee%2Fpublic%2Fhoiatusteated%2F20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf&edit-text=

This shows that marketing is stronger then sober thinking.

A real banking project has to have real experience, with at least Payment Institution license with confirmations of that. Hope, soon, there will be a project that will bring a legal solution with full transparency. Not only marketing.

I will open a thread for this.

And here also the answer from my mailing with Ernest and Young:
(It's german)

"vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wie Sie schon zurecht in Erwägung gezogen haben, stimmt die von Ihnen beigefügte Nachricht nicht. EY  (Ernst & Young) stand und steht mit Polybius Cryptobank in keinerlei Geschäftsverhältnis. EY hat Polybius bereits aufgefordert, anderslautende Informationen von der Website des Unternehmens zu entfernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"


Sure we can find more, but for me the fact that the same people from Hashcoin team are part of the Polybius team makes me scary enought that i wouldn't recommend to put money into Polybius!


What did you think?

thank you for your concern, mate

[lockept93]

I fall for Hashocean (only a few bucks) and after that i saw this all a bit different. Now i ask myself how i could be so stupid 

This is very importand that trusted people show newbies and unknown that this whole project is obv a scam and do not will deliver what they promise.
Everybody who spend money into this cant say he do not know this after they scam and run away.

[lockept93]

Update this thread is now for Polybius AND EmerCoin - cause it is the same organisation.

Just think about.

[lockept93]

bump this thread pls

[daylox]

AFAIK, Emercoin is not a scam, who do you judge it as a scam? I wonder it.

[lockept93]

AFAIK, Emercoin is not a scam, who do you judge it as a scam? I wonder it.

Why is Oleg Khovayko involved in Emercoin and Polybius and on Polybius there is advertising for Hashcoins`?
Explain how someone from a real multi million dollar buisness would ACCEPT that his name is connected with a proofen scam?

Open your eyes, the dream is over.

[Moritz30]

Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

[shortcoin]

Thank you for your reminder

[b080180d]

Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

holy shit!!

[coin2.0]

cant believe it,a lot of people invest in EMC.

[lockept93]

cant believe it,a lot of people invest in EMC.

Sure i think it would be the next big thing. Think about it. If you check the different sites you will see, that this is all one organisation and sure its possible to scam in this way.
Yesterday there was Cloudmining scams, today are ICOs.

There are so many facts that shows, that a multi million dollar buisness wouldn't act like them. Why these fake news? Why the advertising too a proofen scam? Why the same people in different projects?
Why no official statement and defence?

[red4slash]

even tough everyone has different judgments. Does polybius and Eamercoin use escrow? If yes of course we do not have to worry right?

[lockept93]

Nevertheless, everyone has different judgments. Does polybius and Eamercoin use escrow? If yes of course we do not have to worry right?

Do they use escrow?

[lockept93]

!?

[n00b3rt]

That didn't even take effort, and people would still throw money at them.

Nice job OP, hopefully this thread stays bumped until we get an answer / resolution.

[cakravothy]

what ir related polybus dev with hashoseean
why you post srceenshoot hashocean profile if not related with polybus

[lockept93]

what ir related polybus dev with hashoseean
why you post srceenshoot hashocean profile if not related with polybus

Nobody says Hashocean is related with polybius - HASHCOINS! Also with Hashflare and Emercoin. Look into the open post and visit the different websites.

[lockept93]

!

[IconFirm]

That didn't even take effort, and people would still throw money at them.

Nice job OP, hopefully this thread stays bumped until we get an answer / resolution.

Absolutely. However, Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank etc, etc will never comment about this on the forum because they know the cat is out of the bag & they don't have a leg to stand on. The only responses I have got since I first started asking questions about this scam were from their noob shill accounts which have gone strangly quiet all of a sudden.....

@OP: Well done for helping to bring this to everyones attention - you should probably post this in the Scam thread here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

..where it will get more attention & put more preasure on Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank etc, etc to answer the accusations.

Good luck.

[Sunsayzxc]

Hi TS! Thx for your Warning. I already invested, but had plans to invest more in Polybius.

I understand your concerns. They are all based on that Emercoin and other companies this team is involved, used to be a scam. Can you explain, why you say they are scam and bring some links maybe about those companies. Cause right now, yes, I can see same team on Polybius, Emer, Hash. BUT I dont know, if they are proven scamers for a long time, how could they still operate and have functional web pages?

So two questions:

1). If previous companies are a proven scam, please post some links about that, maybe there were some investigations about them?
2). MAIN thing I dont get. If polybius is a scam, why bother and publish thier marketing materials on PROVEN scam websites? I'm sorry, but I believe it is too stupid to be true)) They could just change thier team photos and names, and of course do not PR through already proven SCAM websites.

Anyway, thx for your investigation. After reading that I'm already not 100% sure to invest more in Polybius)) BUT! on the other hand, my doubts are only at 10% level about this company right now. Thx again for your worry about the community!)

[Sunsayzxc]

Well, now I made a few more research about projects mentioned above.

First of all, they have an Escrow. Emercoin + Cryptopay.

Second, I can believe that Hash was a scam. But it is truly hard to find much info except one thread here. Still dont get, how could they operate FOR YEARS since 2014 acquisations!!! Nevermind... But Emercoin... Do you really think that this one is scam either? Definetly need a proof about that.

Third, Cryptopay thing. I read about a few scam accusations in its adress a couple months ago. Looks like they turned to be some card issuer problems. Not cryptopay itself.

Soo... in conclusion. I definetly need more info about this company from you, cause right now it doesnt look objective talk.
 

[goodguyed]

There has never been a question about the connection between Hashcoins and Polybius. If you didn't see the connection, you weren't looking into what you were putting your money in.

Always research.

[gerbas]

This things makes me worried, if it is true that those 2 coins were scam, I just hope that no one will get fooled by those 2 coins.

[UpUrs]

Thanks for the info.
Saved me time and money ! 

[brokens]

Very good info,
Continue and giving new info about projects or coin SCAM,
This is to prevent people who losing their funds and do not let scammers rampant.

[m_nief]

OMG!!! is it true information??

[satria33]

make people confuse to invest, so Just think twice

[Starhead]

Wtf? Hashflare cant be Scam. Im invested with 10th since November. 0.6 btc payout without Problems. I know People who have over 1ph at hashflare..  Please dont Panic People...

[goodguyed]

Wtf? Hashflare cant be Scam. Im invested with 10th since November. 0.6 btc payout without Problems. I know People who have over 1ph at hashflare..  Please dont Panic People...

Best of luck, buddy.

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[user7835]

It's a scam.


Make a deal agaist them if you suffered.
https://www.ic3.gov/about/default.aspx

[IconFirm]

Wtf? Hashflare cant be Scam.

Yes, it is, because they are Hashcoins, as are Polybius. The same scammers.

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?

No, it was a lie. E&Y demanded that they remove any reference to E&Y from their site. because they're scammers & liars.

As you said yourself in the Hashflare thread:

a business with no ethic - no codex - no respect.

AND noone will ever reach his ROI.

And you know what's funny - your belong to hashcoin. And what is the businessmodel of hashcoin? YEAHA you're right again - it is selling bitcoinminer..

You're destroying the bitcoin!

Only they didn't deliver a single miner, because they didn't exist. It was a scam.

You: noob account with 5 posts - all in hashcoins threads.
Hashcoins: No posts in 3 years - using noob shill accounts.

........

[Starhead]

Hm okey.. you are right. Im a pretty Lucky noob then thanks
(Ps: i was pissed of in Dezember because everyone launched new miningcontrats and difficulty increased - in that Time i didnt Believer that bitcoin price will increase the Same the diff does)

We will See .

[CjMapope]

oh, this is interesting info...

i admit i invested a bit, i have been a Hashflare user for a while, even recently got my ROI (8 months or so it took)
I wasen't around back in the day when they pulled that shit you linked to, i was only going on my personal experience dealing with Hashflare
I will invest NO more, and prob flip/dump my tokens first profit i can

Thx for the info man

[MyownBoss]

But will it flip? Thats all i care about!

[lockept93]

Interesting. I'm glad OP is investigating this to make sure others are not duped. Good Job!

Again, i do not had to do with these projects until i saw this obv scammy points.
I really hope to safe a few peoples money to invest in real and good projects.
Im sure there will be a big crying storm after they do not deliver what they promise. But this is how it goes. this is how it was every time in every big scam.

[Coin_trader]

Isn't it that EmerCoin is already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

[lockept93]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

[Coin_trader]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

[BITCOINDENMARK]

just info; I invested in hashflare from 1.3.2016 to 1.3.2017, no problems. Now I also invested in polybius.

[Perryl]

I didn't invest in Polybius, nor did I recommend it to anyone. It could be a scam, but I can also confirm that I've invested in cloud mining on Hashflare and made profit, not just ROId. Although, that doesn't really mean anything.

I'm not saying do or don't invest in Polybius, but this thread doesn't provide any evidence that this is a scam. Only conjecture.

You should assume every ICO is a scam, really, because historically speaking almost all of them have been. If you don't have the appetite for risk, get off this forum and go play Minecraft.


It should be noted that cloud-mining operations are usually scamming too. The way a ponzi scheme works is by paying out old members with new member's money. Once that starts to dry up the ponzi collapses. However, logically, it would make sense to run an ICO to keep that operation going. You could easily raise enough money from the ICO to continue paying out your cloud mining contracts and then the public perception would increase, and then more cloud mining contracts would be sold. Rinse and repeat. Avoiding collapse with two different business models. Not hard to do, really. So there are definitely grounds to assume that this has all been the same scam the whole time. It's been long enough that it's pretty likely that their registration numbers have gone down and that fewer people are buying contracts now, triggering an impending collapse. Insert ICO and you have enough money to prevent that collapse.


Oh, and for all of those people that say things like "how can it be a scam? I made money". Shut the fuck up. Learn the very basics of a scam. Being early in is how you make money off of a scam like a ponzi, pyramid, HYIP, or whatever. Like someone else said, "will it flip? that's all I care about". That's how you profit off of coins regardless if they're a scam or not. It's all about the flip. Making money doesn't make something any less of a scam, just makes it profitable for you. Those who are left holding the bag are the ones who will scream and cry about it. Not you. Because you already made your profit.


Read:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
Scroll...

Learn.

[lockept93]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

Cause EmerCoin is devloped by the same people like Hashcoins, Polybius, Hashflare - do you think a scammer will only scam in one of his projects?
If you believe that a coin cant be a scam, go and read something about this or stay with your opinion and promise me not to cry in the end when these projects gone and EmerCoin nothing more worth.

Your money is not my problem, i just give a chance to think about it and dicide by yourself. For me and many others these are obv scams.

[Rengganis]

is it really polybius going for scam? because I already joining for the facebook and twitter campaign . I hope it was aint scam

[zxl912157]

Not sure but it totally looks like a scam. They do not even bother to reply to accusation.

[b080180d]

is it really polybius going for scam? because I already joining for the facebook and twitter campaign . I hope it was aint scam

already joined? or you have invested with $?

[Geenstijl]

People who invested in this are obviously guided by greed.

[lockept93]

People who invested in this are obviously guided by greed.

This is why many people do not want to believe that this whole thing is a fake.

[Metros]

So before I send Ethers to Polybius...

Is it true? any more info?

Ernst & Young are not really working with them?

There is no Escrow?

[georgeandy]

I didn't invest in Polybius, nor did I recommend it to anyone. It could be a scam, but I can also confirm that I've invested in cloud mining on Hashflare and made profit, not just ROId. Although, that doesn't really mean anything.

I'm not saying do or don't invest in Polybius, but this thread doesn't provide any evidence that this is a scam. Only conjecture.

You should assume every ICO is a scam, really, because historically speaking almost all of them have been. If you don't have the appetite for risk, get off this forum and go play Minecraft.


It should be noted that cloud-mining operations are usually scamming too. The way a ponzi scheme works is by paying out old members with new member's money. Once that starts to dry up the ponzi collapses. However, logically, it would make sense to run an ICO to keep that operation going. You could easily raise enough money from the ICO to continue paying out your cloud mining contracts and then the public perception would increase, and then more cloud mining contracts would be sold. Rinse and repeat. Avoiding collapse with two different business models. Not hard to do, really. So there are definitely grounds to assume that this has all been the same scam the whole time. It's been long enough that it's pretty likely that their registration numbers have gone down and that fewer people are buying contracts now, triggering an impending collapse. Insert ICO and you have enough money to prevent that collapse.


Oh, and for all of those people that say things like "how can it be a scam? I made money". Shut the fuck up. Learn the very basics of a scam. Being early in is how you make money off of a scam like a ponzi, pyramid, HYIP, or whatever. Like someone else said, "will it flip? that's all I care about". That's how you profit off of coins regardless if they're a scam or not. It's all about the flip. Making money doesn't make something any less of a scam, just makes it profitable for you. Those who are left holding the bag are the ones who will scream and cry about it. Not you. Because you already made your profit.


Read:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
Scroll...

Learn.

thank you for share the importance information

[lockept93]

So before I send Ethers to Polybius...

Is it true? any more info?

Ernst & Young are not really working with them?

There is no Escrow?

I have spoke to a press leader from E&Y and if you want is send you a screenshot from this conversation.
They DO NOT work together with E&Y!

I really recommend you to not invest in Polybius! It's your decision, but go for yourself and look up the open post and ask yourself.
Maybe after a time you are comming and say thank you.  

[join2]

I agree with you from the picture page 1 looks polybius team with emercoin is the same as different skill

[lockept93]

I agree with you from the picture page 1 looks polybius team with emercoin is the same as different skill

Not only that. There are different informations about the same people.

[lockept93]

Oh, I invested in it.  

I only can recommend to not invest more - what you can do i dont know. I never used this service and sure i will not start.

[lockept93]

!

[sonawer]

Scam?? They not open yet to become scam...

[lockept93]

Scam?? They not open yet to become scam...

They will not deliver what they promise.

[wwzsocki]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

That you trade coin and make profits doesn't mean that this coin is not a scam.

[wwzsocki]

So before I send Ethers to Polybius...

Is it true? any more info?

Ernst & Young are not really working with them?

There is no Escrow?

So before I send Ethers to Polybius...

Is it true? any more info?

Ernst & Young are not really working with them?

There is no Escrow?

If you see  Polybius - Hashcoins- Hashflare- EmerCoin - together with ICO you should be warned.

[statdude]

wow, emercoin has been going for a long time to be a scam?

[Coin_trader]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

That you trade coin and make profits doesn't mean that this coin is not a scam.

Yeah, if they did not run away with your money and their product gives you greater gains, how could you classify them as SCAM?
So, what is the meaning of scam for you?

[AnfisKatechkin]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

That you trade coin and make profits doesn't mean that this coin is not a scam.

Yeah, if they did not run away with your money and their product gives you greater gains, how could you classify them as SCAM?
So, what is the meaning of scam for you?

Maybe that means for him that he missed this train?

[lockept93]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

That you trade coin and make profits doesn't mean that this coin is not a scam.

This is it. Think about what is possible. Everybody can run a coin like everybody can run a website. We talk about huge amounts of money and in the past there were even "better" scams.
These Coin and ICO strategy is better cause the people hold there money and invested for long time.
Cloudmining scam is (was) different - they busted faster cause many people chashed out every day.
If you invest in Poybius or Emercoin, you invest for a long time and dont think about to get the money out of it soon as possible.

THis is why these scams can run so long. And i ask all again, do you think a huge buisness like that (what they say to be) would act like that and would be so "nooby" on there websites and threads?

[lockept93]

So sad this is bad news

But better than a too late wake up. I hope to save somebuddys money with that callout. Everybody who dont wanna hear and invest more, is doing it by itself. I warned. I showed up.

[MyownBoss]

Ok ok ok I'm just gonna chime in with this note:

First and foremost all the WARNINGS given by other members are 100% valid and have been gone over in-depth (Thx). I'm going to play "devils advocate" and suggest some contrasting ideas.
This is indeed different from a cloud mining ponzi, or a Vaporware scheme in the sense that one: $20+Million "no product" exit scam is enough to bring the law to Estonia specifically for this group. Speaking of the "Team" there are more members than just the hashcoins team and I'm  not 100% convinced everyone (Not from HC) there is willing to say fuck the consequences and our reputations and possibly jail time. Especially since we have names and faces to point the law to. (And there are legal implications, Onecoin for example) Food for thought and all that.

[lockept93]

Ok ok ok I'm just gonna chime in with this note:

First and foremost all the WARNINGS given by other members are 100% valid and have been gone over in-depth (Thx). I'm going to play "devils advocate" and suggest some contrasting ideas.
This is indeed different from a cloud mining ponzi, or a Vaporware scheme in the sense that one: $20+Million "no product" exit scam is enough to bring the law to Estonia specifically for this group. Speaking of the "Team" there are more members than just the hashcoins team and I'm  not 100% convinced everyone (Not from HC) there is willing to say fuck the consequences and our reputations and possibly jail time. Especially since we have names and faces to point the law to. (And there are legal implications, Onecoin for example) Food for thought and all that.

Creating names and take photos of maybe dead people.
Did you see only one of all these members on private or buissnes photos or videos in real and recent time? No one. Not only one have a real fb page or something.

And i still believe the owners are not in or from estonia.

[CjMapope]

I didn't invest in Polybius, nor did I recommend it to anyone. It could be a scam, but I can also confirm that I've invested in cloud mining on Hashflare and made profit, not just ROId. Although, that doesn't really mean anything.

I'm not saying do or don't invest in Polybius, but this thread doesn't provide any evidence that this is a scam. Only conjecture.

You should assume every ICO is a scam, really, because historically speaking almost all of them have been. If you don't have the appetite for risk, get off this forum and go play Minecraft.


It should be noted that cloud-mining operations are usually scamming too. The way a ponzi scheme works is by paying out old members with new member's money. Once that starts to dry up the ponzi collapses. However, logically, it would make sense to run an ICO to keep that operation going. You could easily raise enough money from the ICO to continue paying out your cloud mining contracts and then the public perception would increase, and then more cloud mining contracts would be sold. Rinse and repeat. Avoiding collapse with two different business models. Not hard to do, really. So there are definitely grounds to assume that this has all been the same scam the whole time. It's been long enough that it's pretty likely that their registration numbers have gone down and that fewer people are buying contracts now, triggering an impending collapse. Insert ICO and you have enough money to prevent that collapse.


Oh, and for all of those people that say things like "how can it be a scam? I made money". Shut the fuck up. Learn the very basics of a scam. Being early in is how you make money off of a scam like a ponzi, pyramid, HYIP, or whatever. Like someone else said, "will it flip? that's all I care about". That's how you profit off of coins regardless if they're a scam or not. It's all about the flip. Making money doesn't make something any less of a scam, just makes it profitable for you. Those who are left holding the bag are the ones who will scream and cry about it. Not you. Because you already made your profit.


Read:
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/p/ponzischeme.asp
Scroll...

Learn.

i just wanna quote this so people read it again as i think it rings true.   i also am similar, have ROI'd with hashflare.
BUT, think about ethics, when people LOSE money regulation comes in, we dont want that now do we?
So we cannot supoprt these scammy projects REGARDLESS if we can make money or not!
cause guess what? if these projects go down, any and ALL address involved will be investigated
anyone who thinks BTC is anon your a noob, Satoshi himself said it was never meant to be ANON

Make your choice, but think of whats REALLY important

[MyownBoss]

If i otakenly  a 10% hit ill be thankful.

[lockept93]

If i otakenly  a 10% hit ill be thankful.

What did you invest?

[misterbones]

It is a scam no doubt .

[misterbones]

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated



99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam

[kurumi]

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated



99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam

Got it! Thank you for your remind.

[lockept93]

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated



99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam

I put it in OP.

[lockept93]

Thanks @misterbones for your help!

[lockept93]

 

[cryptonia]

Scam?? They not open yet to become scam...

They will not deliver what they promise.

What did they promise?

I did not see any promises...only goals   

[cryptonia]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

That you trade coin and make profits doesn't mean that this coin is not a scam.

When you say "scam" what do you mean? Can you say it in different words?  thanks

[SonyEricSon]

It could be one of the plan to drop the polybius project, I see polybius project run smoothly without any constraints.
Do not be too quick to believe someone who denounces someone else's good name

[cryptonia]

Ok ok ok I'm just gonna chime in with this note:

First and foremost all the WARNINGS given by other members are 100% valid and have been gone over in-depth (Thx). I'm going to play "devils advocate" and suggest some contrasting ideas.
This is indeed different from a cloud mining ponzi, or a Vaporware scheme in the sense that one: $20+Million "no product" exit scam is enough to bring the law to Estonia specifically for this group. Speaking of the "Team" there are more members than just the hashcoins team and I'm  not 100% convinced everyone (Not from HC) there is willing to say fuck the consequences and our reputations and possibly jail time. Especially since we have names and faces to point the law to. (And there are legal implications, Onecoin for example) Food for thought and all that.

Creating names and take photos of maybe dead people.

Which people do you think might be dead? 

[cryptonia]

It is a scam no doubt .

Can you explain what you mean when you say it is a scam?

Are they not going to do anything just take the ether and never be seen again?

If not that then what do you mean?

Thanks

[kissmemissme]

Looks like a legit arguments here, but i wonder why do you want so long and complecated scam scheme. There are so many easier ways, than develop a few project for a few years.

[cryptonia]

99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank

To be fair they always have said it would not be from Estonia.

And they never said it would be a bitcoin bank. Rather they said they would look to provide digital services related to blockchain.

Where did you get these ideas from?

Personally it seems wildly ambitious to me....but ...they may get somewhere ...who knows./ I don't think so, it is a real gamble that's for sure.
I would not put much in myself, if I did.

However you don't seem to be familiar with what they themselves have said about the project.

[cryptonia]

I will probably wait and see what progress they make over time and then see.

[lockept93]

Isn't it that EmerCoinis already in the market and traded at Bittrex and other trading exchange since 2016, how could you say that it is a scam like your post title said? kindly explain and give us some proof.

You find everything you nee in the open post.
Ask yourself why EmerCoin - Polybius - Hashcoins are connected.
EmerCoin shows that there are the same people working on like Polybius. Just think about.

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

I'm not questioning Polybius and Hashcoin, i'm just asking about the EmerCoin, i am just wondering how could a profitable coin like EMC be tagged as a SCAM cause i'm trading that coin since then and it already gave me some considerable amount of profits.

That you trade coin and make profits doesn't mean that this coin is not a scam.

When you say "scam" what do you mean? Can you say it in different words?  thanks

You dont will see your money again if you invest there.

[cryptonia]

Anyway its not impossible to create a coin as a scammer.

It is not impossible that any coin is a scam.  

But just because it is not impossible doesn't mean it is a scam

[cryptonia]

When you say "scam" what do you mean? Can you say it in different words?  thanks

You dont will see your money again if you invest there.

Well that is a risk with any ICO, not just this one. I'd be very cautious until we see how they go, but I don't claim to know whether people will see their money again, because I don't know.

[lockept93]

When you say "scam" what do you mean? Can you say it in different words?  thanks

You dont will see your money again if you invest there.

Well that is a risk with any ICO, not just this one. I'd be very cautious until we see how they go, but I don't claim to know whether people will see their money again, because I don't know.

But it makes a different between planing from beginning to fake a ico and gather money to run away with. Or trying a real buissnes that might be can fail.

[timmyzhl]

High risk, high income, in the bustling market, there are countless opportunities

[tsaroz]

Almost 90% of new coins are scam.
99.9% of premined coins are scam.
99.9% of tokens are scam.
They are just produced to act like a ponzi. The initial holders profits from it. And the coins are dumped to the later buyers.

[lybship53]

Ruefully (((I also took part in ICO.  

[u129912]

https://s7.postimg.org/wi29j6j6j/ENAA.png

"It works on Emercoin" means that Polybius founders want to use Emercoin NVS (blockchain name-value storage) as the decentralized database for storing their public keys, transactions etc.

They could decide to use a centralized database (like MySQL) and say that "it works on MySQL so Oracle is our partner".

As for Emercoin founder Oleg Khovayko, it is suspicious that Polybius use the same Khovayko's photo that is pulished on Emercoin website.

[lockept93]

Is it possible to ask Oleg?

[IconFirm]

Oleg, like everyone else involved in this scam, won't respond to any questions. believe me, I've tried - especially on the Emercoin thread.

It's not particularly suspicious that they use the same photo - because it's run by the same people. The same people are responsible for multiple scams on this forum, they just create a new entity or different "company", call themselves "partners" & begin another scam. Rinse & repeat.

[lockept93]

Oleg, like everyone else involved in this scam, won't respond to any questions. believe me, I've tried - especially on the Emercoin thread.

It's not particularly suspicious that they use the same photo - because it's run by the same people. The same people are responsible for multiple scams on this forum, they just create a new entity or different "company", call themselves "partners" & begin another scam. Rinse & repeat.

Thats it. If oleg would be real he would give a reply to calm down investors and save his name. But there is no Oleg and there never was one.

[lockept93]

 

[ljp7839008]

I really hope to safe a few peoples money to invest in real and good projects.

[AlexMix]

Hello everyone!

Where is at least one real proof that they are scam? It's clear why they (Hashcoins) do not even respond to your "chat rooms"  

15 minutes in the role of detective and I was able to find all the information about the Hashcoins and its founders, as well as information about other companies that they manage.
The company is more than four years old, in the Estonian register you can see that people work there, they pay taxes all four years. Annual reports available  

https://www.inforegister.ee/en/BBTEKXO-SERGEI-POTAPENKO
https://www.e-krediidiinfo.ee/12490015-HashCoins
https://www.instagram.com/hashcoins/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jkrgVTloE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B5lXzTX-rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CfDhaiV6Q
https://geenius.ee/uudis/eestis-tehakse-uut-blockchaini-panka-mis-kogunud-uhisrahastusega-juba-12-miljonit-eurot/

https://www.facebook.com/projectpolybius/ - there you can find a post about EY  

There has been a lot of attention recently on what advise we received from EY. We would like to state for the record that we have worked with some excellent people at EY, some who are still with that firm, some who have moved on to new challenges.
Our backers and ICO participants understand the potential of the
Polybius bank project and we are working tirelessly to bring this vision to fruition. We are eternally grateful for your trust and support.
We have now broadened our advisory board, and are commencing work with infrastructure and technology firms to accelerate our timeline and return the confidence given to us by our investors.
We have also started to attract further talent with banking background to the team and look forward to introducing them soon after the end of ICO.
We are always open to feedback and advise, and would like to thank EY for its assistance to date. We must also state that we are not in a formal relationship with EY at this time.
Mr. Haudenschild continues to remain a part of our advisory board and we thank him for his continued commitment, as we do our growing supporters. We and the over 15'000 individuals who back us believe banking can be better. The team stands committed with our full resolve to realizing this goal.


I found several accusations that they did not deliver a miner to someone, but also in the same topics, there is information that everyone either got the money back or sent a replacement.

Why is not there a single real claim or a real case from REAL person/customer, where Hashcoins was involved in the scam, except for 10-15 comments from incomprehensible people without real names ( just nicknames) .... Looks like paid threads

Funny   and good luck Hashcoins with your Polybius project! Do not pay attention to these assholes  

Regards,
Polybius token holder

[galuh]

Is there any evidence that this project is really doing fraud?

[AlexMix]

Is there any evidence that this project is really doing fraud?

As a detective , i didn't find any proof. I think that someone ( lockept93, IconFirm and some others) wants to spoil them.

I will say more! These people ( lockept93, IconFirm and some others) too will not provide evidence, except as links to their own posts 
I know that for sure! I spent another 20 min as bitcointalk and google detective)

[bbcolex]

thread starter wanted to open another ico with the same concept as polybius, I have hashflare and got no problem. Maybe dev and staff cancelled your bounty for plbt

[IconFirm]

So many noob accounts defending the scam - it's funny to watch.

[AlexMix]

So many noob accounts defending the scam - it's funny to watch.

Do you have balls? Can you say your real name? My name Is Aleksei Mishin, I'm from Moscow.

[R2-D2R2]

So obvious its a scam it is quite clear. Now scam gangs taking over cryptos  
If you want to be a idiot investor go ahead and put your money into this but don't complain you been robbed later.

[IconFirm]

Update:

There are now 5 (yes - five) scam threads regarding this.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.1700

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1952266.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1942398.msg19291453#msg19291453


Still nothing posted from any of the accused.

[AlexMix]

Update:

There are now 5 (yes - five) scam threads regarding this.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.1700

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1952266.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971023.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1942398.msg19291453#msg19291453


Still nothing posted from any of the accused.

It's just scam accusations from idiots like you. If you blame someone, show evidence! No proof = empty words.
In the meantime, these are stupid topics.

You are a coward and a loser 

[IconFirm]

Beware of threatening PM's from Polybius shill/alt accounts:

I seem to be getting threatening PM's from Polybius shill accounts:

!!! WARNING: This user is a newbie. If you are expecting a message from a more veteran member, then this is an imposter !!!
New Topic!

I will pay 150BTC for the real name and address of bitcointalk.org user IconFirm. Escrow welcome.

Let the hunt begin! 


I will find you! 

I will willingly pass my personal details to you for 150BTC using a reputable escrow.

Thanks!

[cnupo]

So many noob accounts defending the scam - it's funny to watch.

you not newbie? s o what? but you control many accounts, and perhaps the account that opened this thread


Comments
dogie 40: -0 / +4   2016-05-25   0.00000000   Reference   This user operates at least 27 accounts and is permabanned from the site: IYFTech = PatMan = cathoderay = deleterase = .....Really? = lobogil = megahash = PatManCan = John1965 = John1900 = YourBlondFriend = Rustiga = FraudSquad = smokem = patSNL = meono = blarneystone = p3yot33at3r = biefstuk = k9control = madk9control = useragent = dogiecontrol = vatfraudster = novatforyou = youliealot = novatforyou = IconFirm. See the referenced thread for more details.

[IconFirm]

**snip**

Amswered many times:

Yeah - I couldn't stop laughing when I saw that feedback......lol

You obviously didn't read my response to it, but it doesn't matter. If you believe that then I can't help you I'm afraid.

Feel free to open a seperate thread about my BS/false trust if you like. It's off topic here.

[l10no]

is that trully scam? if its true it was so shame for a great project like polybius. the rumor is already there before this thread but I still hope this project is better than the rumor

[lockept93]

I really hope to safe a few peoples money to invest in real and good projects.

I Hope too.

Now U

Hello everyone!

Where is at least one real proof that they are scam? It's clear why they (Hashcoins) do not even respond to your "chat rooms"  

15 minutes in the role of detective and I was able to find all the information about the Hashcoins and its founders, as well as information about other companies that they manage.
The company is more than four years old, in the Estonian register you can see that people work there, they pay taxes all four years. Annual reports available  

https://www.inforegister.ee/en/BBTEKXO-SERGEI-POTAPENKO
https://www.e-krediidiinfo.ee/12490015-HashCoins
https://www.instagram.com/hashcoins/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-jkrgVTloE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B5lXzTX-rY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4CfDhaiV6Q
https://geenius.ee/uudis/eestis-tehakse-uut-blockchaini-panka-mis-kogunud-uhisrahastusega-juba-12-miljonit-eurot/

https://www.facebook.com/projectpolybius/ - there you can find a post about EY  

There has been a lot of attention recently on what advise we received from EY. We would like to state for the record that we have worked with some excellent people at EY, some who are still with that firm, some who have moved on to new challenges.
Our backers and ICO participants understand the potential of the
Polybius bank project and we are working tirelessly to bring this vision to fruition. We are eternally grateful for your trust and support.
We have now broadened our advisory board, and are commencing work with infrastructure and technology firms to accelerate our timeline and return the confidence given to us by our investors.
We have also started to attract further talent with banking background to the team and look forward to introducing them soon after the end of ICO.
We are always open to feedback and advise, and would like to thank EY for its assistance to date. We must also state that we are not in a formal relationship with EY at this time.
Mr. Haudenschild continues to remain a part of our advisory board and we thank him for his continued commitment, as we do our growing supporters. We and the over 15'000 individuals who back us believe banking can be better. The team stands committed with our full resolve to realizing this goal.



I found several accusations that they did not deliver a miner to someone, but also in the same topics, there is information that everyone either got the money back or sent a replacement.

Why is not there a single real claim or a real case from REAL person/customer, where Hashcoins was involved in the scam, except for 10-15 comments from incomprehensible people without real names ( just nicknames) .... Looks like paid threads

Funny   and good luck Hashcoins with your Polybius project! Do not pay attention to these assholes  

Regards,
Polybius token holder

So many noob accounts defending the scam - it's funny to watch.

Do you have balls? Can you say your real name? My name Is Aleksei Mishin, I'm from Moscow.

I really hesitate was thinking about reading your post after this.

Pls grow up. . .  

But why is EY saying they never had any connections to Hashcoins/Polybius/Emercoin? I've written with EY and maybe we have to start all write and ask EY - sure they will release a press message, that this is not true and they have also yet done something against these fake news.
I also want to ask cryptopay some questions.

Do you really think these few things are shown us the proof and existing? Anyone who really think Hashcoins was no scam shouldn't forget to breath. You make here big balls and even dont know anything.

You are the first one i hope to lose much money, srlsy man.  

And some of these for you cause u like it:  

We talk again if you come crying (or gone forever cause you involved or shamed for your beeing).

Is there any evidence that this project is really doing fraud?

As a detective , i didn't find any proof. I think that someone ( lockept93, IconFirm and some others) wants to spoil them.

I will say more! These people ( lockept93, IconFirm and some others) too will not provide evidence, except as links to their own posts  
I know that for sure! I spent another 20 min as bitcointalk and google detective)

Again for you detective   ... . This thread gather any predictions and arguments about the scam potencial from Polybius and the organisation behind that.
Sure i put in some qoutes of discussions from other threads and build here a point by point information sharing with help from others.


But except this - what do you think i (or we) would have something from bring in so much time and effort?

thread starter wanted to open another ico with the same concept as polybius, I have hashflare and got no problem. Maybe dev and staff cancelled your bounty for plbt

I Good idea, thank you!  

[lockept93]

I really hope to safe a few peoples money to invest in real and good projects.

This is why i do this. Idgafo every rageing defender of this obv scam crew. I hope they will all lern their lessons.
But i still believe there many people out there who doesn't really know much about the difference between scam and real - i hope to beware people of this - they should invest in better trusted and knowing buissneses.

Go for it. Help or let it be.

[lockept93]

Im writing with Pavel in the official telegram group.
I will publish his answers here after that.  

[IconFirm]

Im writing with Pavel in the official telegram group.
I will publish his answers here after that.  

Did you have any success?

[lockept93]

Im writing with Pavel in the official telegram group.
I will publish his answers here after that.  

Did you have any success?

Im on it.

[lockept93]

Send me that pic.

[IconFirm]

They disappeared from that office years ago I think.......

[craslovell]

How many times must I tell you people that Emercoin and Polybius/Hashcoins are NOT the same organization.

Must I break it down in to any simpler English than that?

Emercoin IS NOT Polybius and vice versa

Oleg is listed as an advisor to the project. Also website similarities are null. Message messycoin, he designed the Emercoin website and has NEVER worked on the other websites you claim to be identical.

I don't know how else you want things broken down. Should we video chat about it? Do you want to meet in person? Let it rest. You're wasting your time typing these scam accusations.

Also - if you believe Hashcoins is a scam why don't you call the authorities in Estonia and do something about it. Why haven't you taken any action and instead just sit around regurgitating the same lines for weeks and months on end.

P.S. - If you're wondering why Oleg or Eugene or any of the other Emercoin team members have not responded to your countless threads here is the answer, because I've asked them myself "your FUD is not worth their time" They are busy continuing Emercoin development and pushing forward as they have been for the past 3 and 1/2 years of the Emercoin blockchain.

[AlexMix]

They disappeared from that office years ago I think.......

Stupid moron! don't think, please. It's dangerous for your little brain.

http://rus.err.ee/590236/ak-rasskazala-o-golovokruzhitelnom-uspehe-it-firmy-hashcoins

[Saint-loup]

How many times must I tell you people that Emercoin and Polybius/Hashcoins are NOT the same organization.

Must I break it down in to any simpler English than that?

Emercoin IS NOT Polybius and vice versa

Oleg is listed as an advisor to the project. Also website similarities are null. Message messycoin, he designed the Emercoin website and has NEVER worked on the other websites you claim to be identical.

I don't know how else you want things broken down. Should we video chat about it? Do you want to meet in person? Let it rest. You're wasting your time typing these scam accusations.

Also - if you believe Hashcoins is a scam why don't you call the authorities in Estonia and do something about it. Why haven't you taken any action and instead just sit around regurgitating the same lines for weeks and months on end.

P.S. - If you're wondering why Oleg or Eugene or any of the other Emercoin team members have not responded to your countless threads here is the answer, because I've asked them myself "your FUD is not worth their time" They are busy continuing Emercoin development and pushing forward as they have been for the past 3 and 1/2 years of the Emercoin blockchain.

What is the problem with Emercoin?   This coin is tradable on many exchange and is currently very high.
It's even in the top50 biggest currencies (#47)
So I don't understand where is the "scam" with it?
People who invested in have made obviously big profits!  
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/emercoin/#charts
If PLBT follow the same way, it's a very good investment!!! 

[spatifilium]

I like the idea of crypto bank, and the very concept seems very interesting, especially for EU citizens because something like that does not yet exist, I personally I have not invested but I registered on the site to see what it was, I hope it will not be scam and will work well.
These days there are too many problems with debit card issuers

[lockept93]

How many times must I tell you people that Emercoin and Polybius/Hashcoins are NOT the same organization.

Must I break it down in to any simpler English than that?

Emercoin IS NOT Polybius and vice versa

Oleg is listed as an advisor to the project. Also website similarities are null. Message messycoin, he designed the Emercoin website and has NEVER worked on the other websites you claim to be identical.

I don't know how else you want things broken down. Should we video chat about it? Do you want to meet in person? Let it rest. You're wasting your time typing these scam accusations.

Also - if you believe Hashcoins is a scam why don't you call the authorities in Estonia and do something about it. Why haven't you taken any action and instead just sit around regurgitating the same lines for weeks and months on end.

P.S. - If you're wondering why Oleg or Eugene or any of the other Emercoin team members have not responded to your countless threads here is the answer, because I've asked them myself "your FUD is not worth their time" They are busy continuing Emercoin development and pushing forward as they have been for the past 3 and 1/2 years of the Emercoin blockchain.

What is the problem with Emercoin?   This coin is tradable on many exchange and is currently very high.
It's even in the top50 biggest currencies (#47)
So I don't understand where is the "scam" with it?
People who invested in have made obviously big profits!  
https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/emercoin/#charts
If PLBT follow the same way, it's a very good investment!!! 

At least cause the same people working on it and thats why the intention is it is not what it wants to look like to be.


Anyway - we have to find out, is this pic from Pavel really actually?
In two cases its important - doesnt matter whats right.

Send me that pic.

[lockept93]

 

[mariatuffa]

OHH MY GOSHHHH  
hey MR.lockept93 are u serious TALKING about POLYBIUS IS PROJECT SCAM  ??
I do not believe The Polybius ico is SCAM
please confirm MR.lockept93  

[lockept93]

OHH MY GOSHHHH  
hey MR.lockept93 are u serious TALKING about POLYBIUS IS PROJECT SCAM  ??
I do not believe The Polybius ico is SCAM
please confirm MR.lockept93  

Just read the op and make your own decision what you want to believe
 

[gobbledygook]

*If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*

first of all i want to express my gratitude to lockept93 that he raised this issue and put his concerns here. i had exactly the same feelings and intentions when started here at bitcointalk several threads about another SCAM project EDINAR. i know how it when u see same bastards trying to use money (that was partly stolen from you) in order to open and start new SCAM and, at the end, it HURTS all CRYPTO SCENE when people try to get in and getting fucked by these bastards.

i will watch closely this polybus...

[lockept93]

*If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*

first of all i want to express my gratitude to lockept93 that he raised this issue and put his concerns here. i had exactly the same feelings and intentions when started here at bitcointalk several threads about another SCAM project EDINAR. i know how it when u see same bastards trying to use money (that was partly stolen from you) in order to open and start new SCAM and, at the end, it HURTS all CRYPTO SCENE when people try to get in and getting fucked by these bastards.

i will watch closely this polybus...

Many people should watch polybius.

[westhafen]

Scam polobyos

[Polybius Community]

Hi, lockept93! Thank you for taking the time and visiting me in the Polybius Telegram group and asking so many questions. I believe I answered all of them. Were you going to comment on any of them and our "interview" in your thread?

[gobbledygook]

Hi, lockept93! Thank you for taking the time and visiting me in the Polybius Telegram group and asking so many questions. I believe I answered all of them. Were you going to comment on any of them and our "interview" in your thread?

let me ask: if there is nothing to worry about and you have your vision... why u so worried? also, multi support channels to make it easier for people to invest... well... anyone who is in crypto world knows how to deal with wallets/transactions etc.

also, none of latest and not that latest successful ICO never gave such support as u do... good project with good team don't need to clean shit out, they just do things and don't care of someone doesn't follow.

with u guys it really looks like support level of scam project which i seen not once and even not twice. my intuition tells me that this polybus isn't healthy.

also, taking into consideration the SIZE of the project (i.e. regulated bank etc etc). have u ever opened bank before? i dare not... i assume lesser successful projects shall be behind of your team's back. so far, i don't see any, and, moreover, people say that there were but turned to be SCAM...

i assume i made myself clear

[b080180d]

They disappeared from that office years ago I think.......

Stupid moron! don't think, please. It's dangerous for your little brain.

http://rus.err.ee/590236/ak-rasskazala-o-golovokruzhitelnom-uspehe-it-firmy-hashcoins

omg... so in the end.. is it a scam?

[gobbledygook]

They disappeared from that office years ago I think.......

Stupid moron! don't think, please. It's dangerous for your little brain.

http://rus.err.ee/590236/ak-rasskazala-o-golovokruzhitelnom-uspehe-it-firmy-hashcoins

omg... so in the end.. is it a scam?

ha-ha... it's in russian... amazing

the article starts: after oustanding success of hashcoin project... )))))

the rest isn't that important to read...

[lockept93]

Hi, lockept93! Thank you for taking the time and visiting me in the Polybius Telegram group and asking so many questions. I believe I answered all of them. Were you going to comment on any of them and our "interview" in your thread?

Hi pavel looks like you do everything alone. Dpnt worry i publish the  interview, but first let me research some points.

[lockept93]

 

[creativeeditors]

  Are you boasting ??
So far ico polybius is still running, I not see a polybius thread getting a warning from the forum moderator.
Have you make a report with moderators forum and discussed well?
thanks for information and still waiting for update for clarification develop and forum moderator

[lockept93]

Are you boasting ??
So far ico polybius is still running, I not see a polybius thread getting a warning from the forum moderator.
Have you make a report with moderators forum and discussed well?
thanks for information and still waiting for update for clarification develop and forum moderator

No i didn't report with the forum moderators. At least this is so big, i only can bring in thinking abouts.
Atm we do not have enoght to proof the scam 100%.

[lockept93]

 

[osterich14]

I am pretty sure it is a scam at this stage. Have been waiting a few days for tokens I paid for and not got any. Other bad signs - they have lots of bots on the facebook page, no real engagement, other people are also not getting their tokens as promised (I have been in contact with a few), I have since learned that the team behind the ICO has been argued to have a record of scamming others. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1910437.20  Don't make the same mistake that I did. Also please help to find and punish people like this. They will harm all of us indirectly by destroying trust in our assets.

[seven.71]

I also think that they are just frauds
Let's wait for a statement from Polybius on this matter
And whether they can show their wallet address to save their ICO funds

[spatifilium]

It means all that they have successfully carried out another fraud and managed to accumulate more than 20 m $ of people who have invested in this project

Little and is doubtful since the beginning the EU crypto bank and it is registered in Ethiopia and there all the legal issues and registrations were carried out there, if you make EU why not then registrate in EU

[lockept93]

I also think that they are just frauds
Let's wait for a statement from Polybius on this matter
And whether they can show their wallet address to save their ICO funds

I dont think wait and see is the right way.
We have to need the 100 % proof these are scamers.

[seven.71]

I also think that they are just frauds
Let's wait for a statement from Polybius on this matter
And whether they can show their wallet address to save their ICO funds

I dont think wait and see is the right way.
We have to need the 100 % proof these are scamers.

One of which we can ask for proof of their wallet address to save ICO funds
Perhaps by requesting proof of transfer to one of the investors who gave his or her funds

[gobbledygook]

Signed up just to share this

from what I know they have been heavily present in a lot of investment conferences etc.

I am invested, doesn't look like a scam to me.

They have a legit address, a legit INC. and just looking at their business models and whitepaper agendas.

after scrutinizing their docs, me, actually, didn't find any actual data WHAT | WHEN | HOW | UNDER WHAT SAUCE it's gonna be dev'ed and expoz'ed to the market.

imho, the preparation for FIRST REGULATED CRYPTO BANK creation is kinda empty. i don't see any homework performed and presented upon potential investors.

So far, there are only words words and again words... that's basically, they do quite well: level of support signalizing that any splinter of money shall not be missed.

I dare if they spent so much efforts into preparation of their business model and business related issues, other then great forum/telegram/email/private messaging helpers.

[Exitsociety]

Hi guys! Just joined to share my research.

Being from Estonia, a tiny former soviet block country, now an IT haven where Polybius and Hashcoins are registered in, I know which sources to check. The Polybius.io webpage is registered to Polybius Foundation OÜ, a company that doesn't have much information on the register at the moment, but It was just registered 4 months ago. Source: https://www.e-krediidiinfo.ee/14202836-POLYBIUS%20FOUNDATION%20O%C3%9C

Though the Polybius Foundation OÜ company doesn't seem to have much information to go on, the executive team is the same collective that started hashcoins.com - registered as Hashcoins OÜ. Hashcoins has 14 employees, a yearly FIAT turnover of 153 525.00 EUR (period 01/12/2016 - 28/02/2017) and has payed a total of 38973.54 € in state and payroll taxes in Q1 of 2017. Admittedly, that doesn't seem huge, but given that the median monthly wage here is ~720 € and that they probably don't convert the majority of their assets to FIAT - not too shabby. The company also has a 5/5 star rating on innovation, personnel performance, social responsibility and quality of product/service. Source: https://www.e-krediidiinfo.ee/12490015-HashCoins

Taking into consideration that the execs all have identified themselves on the Polybius ICO team page and they have an actual successful registered company for which they are juridically responsible for, I'd say there is no doubt about them being legit. Looking at the companies long term goals and the whitepaper it seems obvious to me that IF they succeed in their endeavors they will become game changers as the system would bring a lot of new funds to the crypto scene. At least if it all goes belly up, I'll know which bus to hop on and which doors to bang on

After all the talk about Hashcoins being a scam I fail to see how the company can still be functional and successful while giving employment to 14 people... thinking of calling them up to see if they are interested in an interview.

You should ALWAYS do your own research and NEVER - EVER blindly invest money you cant afford to loose, but if you appreciate the tiny tip I just gave you, I wouldn't mind being tipped myself BTC - 1DRgD8UKdy32GKBbuJ7h3rWTJEKQjyZEV4

Thank you and have a nice day!

[AlexMix]

I also think that they are just frauds
Let's wait for a statement from Polybius on this matter
And whether they can show their wallet address to save their ICO funds

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[AlexMix]

Hi guys! Just joined to share my research.

Being from Estonia, a tiny former soviet block country, now an IT haven where Polybius and Hashcoins are registered in, I know which sources to check. The Polybius.io webpage is registered to Polybius Foundation OÜ, a company that doesn't have much information on the register at the moment, but It was just registered 4 months ago. Source: https://www.e-krediidiinfo.ee/14202836-POLYBIUS%20FOUNDATION%20O%C3%9C

Though the Polybius Foundation OÜ company doesn't seem to have much information to go on, the executive team is the same collective that started hashcoins.com - registered as Hashcoins OÜ. Hashcoins has 14 employees, a yearly FIAT turnover of 153 525.00 EUR (period 01/12/2016 - 28/02/2017) and has payed a total of 38973.54 € in state and payroll taxes in Q1 of 2017. Admittedly, that doesn't seem huge, but given that the median monthly wage here is ~720 € and that they probably don't convert the majority of their assets to FIAT - not too shabby. The company also has a 5/5 star rating on innovation, personnel performance, social responsibility and quality of product/service. Source: https://www.e-krediidiinfo.ee/12490015-HashCoins

Taking into consideration that the execs all have identified themselves on the Polybius ICO team page and they have an actual successful registered company for which they are juridically responsible for, I'd say there is no doubt about them being legit. Looking at the companies long term goals and the whitepaper it seems obvious to me that IF they succeed in their endeavors they will become game changers as the system would bring a lot of new funds to the crypto scene. At least if it all goes belly up, I'll know which bus to hop on and which doors to bang on

After all the talk about Hashcoins being a scam I fail to see how the company can still be functional and successful while giving employment to 14 people... thinking of calling them up to see if they are interested in an interview.

You should ALWAYS do your own research and NEVER - EVER blindly invest money you cant afford to loose, but if you appreciate the tiny tip I just gave you, I wouldn't mind being tipped myself BTC - 1DRgD8UKdy32GKBbuJ7h3rWTJEKQjyZEV4

Thank you and have a nice day!

http://rus.err.ee/590236/ak-rasskazala-o-golovokruzhitelnom-uspehe-it-firmy-hashcoins

Google translate:

There is an opinion that in Estonia not everyone can succeed, that there is a glass ceiling that does not allow to break up. The "AK +" reporter Konstantin Sviridovsky in his story, aired on ETV + on April 16, tells of the dizzying success of five friends who managed to destroy this stereotype. The company Hashcoins today is one of the three largest enterprises in the field of crypto-currency production.

The company appeared in 2013, and then no one thought of creating a bank. At that moment a group of enthusiastic friends saw the future in the crypto currency, in the so-called bitcoins. It was interesting for them to collect special computers that, similar to printing machines, obtained virtual money.

At that time there were only 5 people working in the company. At night they gathered in the office, developed new schemes for composing the components, so that computers for mining bitcoins worked long and reliably. Then the company decided to create hundreds of such computers and lease their production facilities, since there were many who wanted to produce bitcoins, but they did not have money for expensive equipment. And pretty quickly, the customer base has grown to an incredible size. And today, as already mentioned, Hashcoins is one of the three largest companies in the world to provide this kind of services.

[spatifilium]

They are legitimate not legal I think the time will tell just we have to wait, I still think the idea is excellent and are on the brink of great success because Europe is big and have a lot of BTC users

[IconFirm]

Looks like a wanted poster......

I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

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Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

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Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.

[AlexMix]

LOL

IconFirm, your accusations without any proofs against interview from http://news.err.ee  

You overestimate yourself. A thinking person will never take into account your messages.
It has long been clear to everyone that you are a spammer or an unsuccessful competitor and an envious person

http://rus.err.ee/590236/ak-rasskazala-o-golovokruzhitelnom-uspehe-it-firmy-hashcoins

Google translate:

There is an opinion that in Estonia not everyone can succeed, that there is a glass ceiling that does not allow to break up. The "AK +" reporter Konstantin Sviridovsky in his story, aired on ETV + on April 16, tells of the dizzying success of five friends who managed to destroy this stereotype. The company Hashcoins today is one of the three largest enterprises in the field of crypto-currency production.

The company appeared in 2013, and then no one thought of creating a bank. At that moment a group of enthusiastic friends saw the future in the crypto currency, in the so-called bitcoins. It was interesting for them to collect special computers that, similar to printing machines, obtained virtual money.

At that time there were only 5 people working in the company. At night they gathered in the office, developed new schemes for composing the components, so that computers for mining bitcoins worked long and reliably. Then the company decided to create hundreds of such computers and lease their production facilities, since there were many who wanted to produce bitcoins, but they did not have money for expensive equipment. And pretty quickly, the customer base has grown to an incredible size. And today, as already mentioned, Hashcoins is one of the three largest companies in the world to provide this kind of services.

[IconFirm]

How to deal with aggressive Hashcoins/Polybius shill/fake/alt accounts who send threatening PM's to forum users:



Gotta love that ignore button 

[AlexMix]

How to deal with aggressive Hashcoins/Polybius shill/fake/alt accounts who send threatening PM's to forum users:

https://s11.postimg.org/latgylubn/ignore.png

Gotta love that ignore button  

Hahaha, lol)

If you are so sure of your beliefs, then be a man!!! open your name and send an official complaint to Hashcoins.

Now all your words are easily refuted by the positive information that is on the Internet in open access.

[lockept93]

 

[Donaldturp]

I was gonna invest in Polybius project but lots of people reminded me bad stories about EmerCoin massacre. Then I figured out that it's better to pass polybius.

[lockept93]

I was gonna invest in Polybius project but lots of people reminded me bad stories about EmerCoin massacre. Then I figured out that it's better to pass polybius.

It is, go safe and keep this watching. You can lern a lot!

[blurryeyed]

nixoid/ambiscam/polybius/hashcoins etc are still pushing out dodgy ICO to scam with:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1982115.msg19746060#msg19746060

[JasonXG]

I also notices that negative trust. Negative trust doesnt normally bother me but reading onto it there sandy behavior going on for sure. 8m not saying they a scam but I have been careful about them before reading this bi now I k ow I'm not the only one being very careful. Good discussion. We need to talk about these things.

[lockept93]

I also notices that negative trust. Negative trust doesnt normally bother me but reading onto it there sandy behavior going on for sure. 8m not saying they a scam but I have been careful about them before reading this bi now I k ow I'm not the only one being very careful. Good discussion. We need to talk about these things.

Talking, watching, warning. This is what we can do.
Everything shows when the devs must deliver.

[Wandika]

I read some article regaeding on the CEO of the polybius is an owner of a ponzi scheme site that turn into scam in the past.  Is this legit? It's alarming because polybius already raised 30+ million usd on their ICO.

[spatifilium]

wow  30+ million usd it looks like they strolled when they bring so much, maybe there is something there except money

[TomUyamot]

WTF! Is this for real? A lot of money is wasted here if that's the case. 

Investors are only giving away their hard-earned money!  I am not one of them but it concerns me too because the trust of huge investors to participate in ICOs of various alts will for sure be affected. They are critical for ICO success. And I think my bro is into polybius also. 

Thanks for this warning.

[Polybius Community]

So, lockept93, Any progress on these questions I answered to you in Telegram? Do you have any more? I thought I addressed all the concerns that you had, are you going to post any of it? Hit me up in Telegram if you need any more info.

All the best,
Pavel
Polybius.io Team

[IconFirm]

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

[gobbledygook]

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

wow! well done... that's kind of research btw, EY was removed already from their site. the bluff turned out quite fast.

[lockept93]

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

wow! well done... that's kind of research btw, EY was removed already from their site. the bluff turned out quite fast.

The interview is very interesting and now its clear why polybius devs kicked out this Daniel.
He confirms to much that he should not do. Thx for that research.

[R2-D2R2]

They running multiple ico scams always with the same false promises, that nix guy has been launching a lot of ico which always end up being a scam

[steampunkz]

I thought this will happen. Many people are telling and predicting this will be potentially became scam because of its  members connected to other multiple ICO scams.

[anahata]

Still they get their 30 million $'s. This is getting out of hand now. How people can be so naive that they shell out 10$ for a digital token, which has no real value in real life or even digital life. Whom of you really thinks that it will worth 10$ when this hits exchanges??

[lockept93]

Still they get their 30 million $'s. This is getting out of hand now. How people can be so naive that they shell out 10$ for a digital token, which has no real value in real life or even digital life. Whom of you really thinks that it will worth 10$ when this hits exchanges??

If so many believe it has a worth - it starts to get it. Thats the problem. People think, if there is a coin or ico on markets, it cant be a scam.

[blurryeyed]

Still they get their 30 million $'s.

Don't believe the figures they post - everything they posted so far has proven to be a lie, I'm sure their numbers are no different.

Remember, this is Hashcoins we're talking about. Lies, deception, fraud & theft are their game.

[invo]

Still they get their 30 million $'s.

Don't believe the figures they post - everything they posted so far has proven to be a lie, I'm sure their numbers are no different.

Remember, this is Hashcoins we're talking about. Lies, deception, fraud & theft are their game.

is that actually true? if that so, i feel sorry for the participants of this campaign, especially to my friend, because he joined in signature campaign of polybius and looking forwards to this project.

[rugger86]

This is a huge red flag. Thanks for sharing.

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

[ThePromise]

is this for real? i see a good feedback in polybius thread and i thought its a good one, if its a scam project why would the investors still invest? and support this project? maybe it is not?

[kissmemissme]

Looks like we are going for 100M -_-

[IconFirm]

**snip**_-

Wrong thread....lol

Do you seriously believe those BS numbers?

[kissmemissme]

**snip**_-

Wrong thread....lol

Do you seriously believe those BS numbers?

I was surprised to see another steps after 25M lol))) and i dont think, that i've chosen wrong thread))

[u129912]

I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

[lockept93]

I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

[ct1aic]

I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

One day I will try to understand why the death hatred that lockept93 and other bad-looking vomiters have of Polybius.

[lockept93]

I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

One day I will try to understand why the death hatred that lockept93 and other bad-looking vomiters have of Polybius.

Sry, i hate scammers and people who try to steal.
Anyway, i do not lose any money when they run. Just cant understand why people want to be so blind.

It is not only to call out its a scam, just give infos and let everybody decide alone.
I hope many people think twice about this after reading here and maybe we saved a little bit of personal money.

I really cant wait to send some  to different defenders of polybius & co.

[blurryeyed]

I saw Oleg was online on the Emercoin thread so I asked him:

**Oleg online**

How about you Oleg - care to answer?

Emercoin and Polybius are NOT the same organization.

You can assure everyone that this is the case by removing the Hashcoins scammers link from your website. After all, linking to & promoting proven scammers like them on your website is bound to create suspicion - don't you think?

No comment?

Well, seeing as Eugene Shumilov - Founder and CEO of Emercoin - has been so busy promoting Polybius & Hashcoins on medium lately:

https://medium.com/@emer.tech/polybius-bank-the-biggest-story-of-the-year-in-the-cryptocurrency-realm-634c9b1db57

..I can't say I'm surprised you can't (or won't) answer.

So it's true that Emercoin & Hashcoins/Polybius are the same team then.

Thanks for clarifying.

**Oleg logs off**

Amazing. Not a single answer from a single member of the Emercoin/Hashcoins/Polybius team either here or on medium, but they have no problem posting to advertise themselves.....

Guilty.

I got no reply from Eugene Shumilov or anyone else from Emercoin either. Nobody. They seem to have gone completely silent since all this came out.

I wonder why.........

[craslovell]

@blurryeyed (IconFirm)

The team has rarely used the forums for communication over the 3+ year history of Emercoin. Why don't you join the slack as I suggested. Or email us directly. Don't use the "it's not in public" excuse either because of course you would post any reply you got here if it fit your agenda.

[blurryeyed]

You again?

Copy/paste:

@blurryeyed (IconFirm)

It's called a universal don't feed the trolls policy. You can take all of your sock puppet accounts away from here now because you're not going to get what you're looking for.

Oleg's mouthpiece again? He logs off & you log on? That's funny.

You're still confusing me for someone else.....

So anyone who asks a simple question that you don't like or can't answer is classed as a troll?  If more than one person asks questions you don't like or can't answer then they're immediately classed as the same person?  If you want the questions to stop you should just answer them. That's what a forum is for.

If you have a silly "universal don't feed the trolls policy", why are you breaking it?  Stop posting stupid replies on behalf of others & answer the simple questions, or don't post at all.

[colmonhs]

Darn..
I gave them $500..
I guess I'll keep you updated with what happens to my money..

[adhitthana]

@blurryeyed (IconFirm)

The team has rarely used the forums for communication over the 3+ year history of Emercoin. Why don't you join the slack as I suggested. Or email us directly. Don't use the "it's not in public" excuse either because of course you would post any reply you got here if it fit your agenda.

Can i have an invite to slack?

[adhitthana]

2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.

That is what Polybius has said all along. They said they will attempt to get one.

It is slightly deceptive of you to say "They don't hold a banking license." licence because you infer that they claimed they did.

I think the project is wildly ambitious, and should be viewed as such...but who knows?

[adhitthana]

I read some article regaeding on the CEO of the polybius is an owner of a ponzi scheme site that turn into scam in the past.  Is this legit? It's alarming because polybius already raised 30+ million usd on their ICO.

Is it legit?
Hard to say as you haven't posted a link to the article.

[irukandji]

No one knows whether this is a scam. Unless they know the future.

We know who the people are. We can see the addresses for the BTC and Ethereum.

I think it is just "wait and see" now.

If they do mange to get a licence it could be huge. But I don't know how difficult that will be.

banking is definitely going to get more "digital" in the future and may use blockchains, so they may be putting themselves in the right place at the right time.

Estonia is also a leader in the digital world too.

[IndexCoins]

It should be interesting to what happens when it hits the exchanges tomorrow

[ct1aic]

I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

One day I will try to understand why the death hatred that lockept93 and other bad-looking vomiters have of Polybius.

Sry, i hate scammers and people who try to steal.
Anyway, i do not lose any money when they run. Just cant understand why people want to be so blind.

It is not only to call out its a scam, just give infos and let everybody decide alone.
I hope many people think twice about this after reading here and maybe we saved a little bit of personal money.

I really cant wait to send some   to different defenders of polybius & co.

Why is lockept93 muted and silent, now that the Polybius tokens are being sold in some exchanges ... still considering it a SCAM

[lockept93]

I do not think this is a scam in terms of any criminal code. Polybius founders did not assure that market price of Polybius tokens will rise or that their bank will be profitable. They did not promise to register a bank successfully; they promised to try to register it depending on decision of regulator.

And then they, try and try and try and after all they say they fail?
Sorry to all investors, but we even dont promise!?

You can do this limitless - and there will be allways people who still believe.

If you go through everything you can see one big point - there only words!
Nothing real to show, nothing.
Dont be naive.

One day I will try to understand why the death hatred that lockept93 and other bad-looking vomiters have of Polybius.

Sry, i hate scammers and people who try to steal.
Anyway, i do not lose any money when they run. Just cant understand why people want to be so blind.

It is not only to call out its a scam, just give infos and let everybody decide alone.
I hope many people think twice about this after reading here and maybe we saved a little bit of personal money.

I really cant wait to send some   to different defenders of polybius & co.

Why is lockept93 muted and silent, now that the Polybius tokens are being sold in some exchanges ... still considering it a SCAM

You do not understand how this works.
It's not even difficult to bring something into some exchanges. Until now there is no proof of what they really do - just words.
And for words many people put in money.

This concept is designed for a long term play - you will see.

Anyway, it is in your hand to act with them or not.

[webmastax]

bought and sold with same price.. just earned the bonus 

[lockept93]

Prett interresting what happens now after the ICO ends.

Until now pretty noobie what a dev team with an 32$ m investment do anfter the funding ends.
Read the thread. 

[enhu]

Prett interresting what happens now after the ICO ends.

Until now pretty noobie what a dev team with an 32$ m investment do anfter the funding ends.
Read the thread. 

Well they do have the funds now and so I guess they can now make the project legit by hiring people to realize the project, 32M is enough to hire a CEO to handle all the works. They can operate more scam when trading is live on exchanges and just like the some team do, they pump and dump their own coin.

[JammyJimmy69]

Prett interresting what happens now after the ICO ends.

Until now pretty noobie what a dev team with an 32$ m investment do anfter the funding ends.
Read the thread. 

NOTHING will happen as they now have your money to enjoy!

[lockept93]

Whats the price atm of a 10$ buyed token?
Under 1$ 

No support or service right now, everybody flipped out and it only sounds the devs have much to do.

Funny to watch.

[IconFirm]

I wish more people had heeded the warnings & done a little more research - it was obvious this was always another Hashcoins scam, & it seems to have been pulled off again due to people being blinded by greed & promises of piles of magic internet money.....

Hashcoins have done what Hashcoins do & have gone silent since the ICO finished - no fanfare, no trumpets or back-slapping - silence.
Their thread has degenerated into name calling & accusations - more out of embarrassment for falling for it than anything else I think.
The only exchange that might list it is livecoin - because it's run by the same scammers.
There's no way on earth that they raised the millions they reported, all fake numbers with no proof.
The banking license will never be applied for & even if it is, they won't get it - not that they care, they got their money now.

The endless ICO scams go on......

[Getmon]

I saw Oleg was online on the Emercoin thread so I asked him:

**Oleg online**

How about you Oleg - care to answer?

Emercoin and Polybius are NOT the same organization.

You can assure everyone that this is the case by removing the Hashcoins scammers link from your website. After all, linking to & promoting proven scammers like them on your website is bound to create suspicion - don't you think?

No comment?

Well, seeing as Eugene Shumilov - Founder and CEO of Emercoin - has been so busy promoting Polybius & Hashcoins on medium lately:

https://medium.com/@emer.tech/polybius-bank-the-biggest-story-of-the-year-in-the-cryptocurrency-realm-634c9b1db57

..I can't say I'm surprised you can't (or won't) answer.

So it's true that Emercoin & Hashcoins/Polybius are the same team then.

Thanks for clarifying.

**Oleg logs off**

Amazing. Not a single answer from a single member of the Emercoin/Hashcoins/Polybius team either here or on medium, but they have no problem posting to advertise themselves.....

Guilty.

I got no reply from Eugene Shumilov or anyone else from Emercoin either. Nobody. They seem to have gone completely silent since all this came out.

I wonder why.........

This is another good reason for the remaining trust to totally vanish into thin air.

I am not into both projects. I am also not against them. But I think above all, there should be transparency. If those who are directly involved avoid confronting the issue up front, the following things will be a bit worrisome. A problem left unsolved will definitely get worse.

[JammyJimmy69]

I wish more people had heeded the warnings & done a little more research - it was obvious this was always another Hashcoins scam, & it seems to have been pulled off again due to people being blinded by greed & promises of piles of magic internet money.....

Hashcoins have done what Hashcoins do & have gone silent since the ICO finished - no fanfare, no trumpets or back-slapping - silence.
Their thread has degenerated into name calling & accusations - more out of embarrassment for falling for it than anything else I think.
The only exchange that might list it is livecoin - because it's run by the same scammers.
There's no way on earth that they raised the millions they reported, all fake numbers with no proof.
The banking license will never be applied for & even if it is, they won't get it - not that they care, they got their money now.

The endless ICO scams go on......

I can't agree more, if only the idiots on the other thread listened. I believe that Polybius received a lot of money as there's a lot of stupid people that would go head-first into scams like this. In the unlikely event of this NOT being a scam, it's certainly going to be a failure with PLBT reaching zero in the coming days.

It's now at its lowest of $2.22 - 77.8% loss!

[blurryeyed]

Nice to see people are slowly waking up to this latest hashcoins scam - unfortunately many have already been fooled & lost money though.

Still no response from hashcoins/polybius.
No posts since ICO ended.
No payments made (only fake claims from shills)

I reckon the whole crew will disappear within a month or 2 with everyone's money. Again.

[ct1aic]

Nice to see people are slowly waking up to this latest hashcoins scam - unfortunately many have already been fooled & lost money though.

Still no response from hashcoins/polybius.
No posts since ICO ended.
No payments made (only fake claims from shills)

I reckon the whole crew will disappear within a month or 2 with everyone's money. Again.

"Warning: Trade with extreme caution!" ... interesting... Undoubtedly, trustworthy member... or a paid troll?

I spoke several times with Pavel Tsihhotski via Telegram and I already received some more tokens from the Bounties.

Can you explain again what payments are you referring?

And what about the "no response from hashcoins/polybius", when I see Pavel Tsihhotski and Edgar Bers (both from the Executive Team) online at a dayly basis, at the official Telegram chat,  answering the questions of the 2605 members? Or are you asking them to answer in this libel and offensive thread?

A comment from the Telegram official Polybius thread:

Edgar Bers, [25.07.17 09:40]
[In reply to *******]
The funny thing is that our main newschannel is this group and our medium blog  moderation on Bitcointalk is inferior and I don't personally enjoy diving into that mess paid trolls are actively doing their job there

[lockept93]

I think it's pretty clear now it is a scam. Hope we could save some money from good guys. 

[ct1aic]

I think it's pretty clear now it is a scam. Hope we could save some money from good guys. 

I still can't see where is the SCAM... The licenses for the Polybius Bank can't be on hand of the Founders before several month, perhaps years... Until then, I think there is no increased value for the Tokens.

Also, the Tokens would never be intended to be coins, any form of digital currency. Only representation of more or less 20% of profits of a bank that does not yet exist.

But I must be very dumb.

[ct1aic]

News from the Polybius Bank:

Life after the ICO: how are things now at Polybius
The Polybius ICO ended on 5th July, immediately ranking among the top five largest ICOs of 2017, raising $31 million with 27,000 participants. So what has the team behind this next generation financial institution project been doing over the last three weeks, and what are Polybius’ plans for the near future? Read in this article.

Completed activities
Immediately upon closure of the ICO, all surplus tokens were burned. Out of the initial 20 million PLBT (Polybius Tokens) issued, just under 4 million are left, 3,969,565. It is unfortunate, of course, that we didn’t reach a more rounded number.

The team spent the next few days accepting the last bank payments granting the tokens in return.

Meanwhile, all payments received remain in their accounts, as before, allowing anyone who so wishes to check the contents of their Ethereum, Emercoin, and our bitcoin-escrow wallets.

What is happening now?
The distribution of PLBT within the framework of the bounty campaign is coming to an end. In total, 79,391.299996 (or 2% of the total number) PLBT have been distributed as bounties for various support services provided to the project and the Polybius ICO sales.

Currently, there is an internal audit of the ICO underway. During the audit, our accountants will verify the tokens accrued in relation to the money received to ensure that all transactions are in good order. As the Polybius Foundation has raised more than $30 million this fiscal year, under Estonian law, it is required to undergo an obligatory accounting audit at the beginning of 2018.

Hunting, Will Hunting, where Polybius gets its bankers
Polybius is already a popular place to work. Bankers, lawyers, security and compliance specialists, as well as cryptographers and developers, are actively providing us with their CVs.

But the number one question for the Polybius team right now is “what exactly is the set up of a strong banking team?” Why is this so important?

• To establish a bank — you need to get a license.
• To get a license — you need to get a great team together.
• To get a great team together — you have to entice them from their current jobs.

And this is where it gets fascinating!

During the ICO we were often accused of appearing to lack experienced and successful bankers in the project. That was only half-true, they really were not there, but not because we did not have them.
Polybius’ ‘Will Hunting” started long before the opening of the ICO. Of course, Polybius was nowhere near hiring bankers, but that did not stop us from getting to know highly skilled specialists who were interested in the project, many of whom declared their interest in switching to Polybius in the event of a successful ICO.

Now that the Polybius funding targets have not only been achieved but even exceeded, the departure of bankers from mighty, but inflexible old school financial institutions has begun. However, this process takes time, from one to six months. Bankers are not people who change their jobs at the click of a button, some need to provide a month’s notice, others two, and others six.

The ‘Hunting’ process is ongoing — lawyers are in negotiations, drawing up employment contracts. Building the bank’s team will start from the top. The first recruits will be the CEO and senior management of the bank, and they will take the main strategic decisions, formulate the core development parameters, and then recruit the necessary staff.

Among the decisions to be taken will be making a final choice regarding Polybius country of jurisdiction, making arrangements with regulators and obtaining a banking license, whether that is done by starting from scratch or by purchasing an already existing bank.

We regard the purchase of an existing bank as our second choice regarding obtaining a banking license. We began receiving proposals of this nature before the completion of the ICO. We are looking into a Maltese bank with particular interest. However, it is important to understand that when you buy an existing bank, you also buy its entire history. As such the most rigorous checks must be carried out. For this reason, we would prefer to start from scratch and create our own bank.

We plan to announce the name of the Polybius CEO this fall, followed by appointments to other key positions. The Polybius team (for the time being without a bank) will then start its work.

Why is there no need to worry about the token price drop
Immediately upon the listing of PLBT on several cryptocurrency exchanges on July 5, its price began to fall precipitously. It reached a low of $3.60 from a starting value of $10. However, a simple analysis shows that this has nothing to do with “panicked investors fleeing tokens for cash.” Polybius tokens have a total capitalization of ~ $18 million at current exchange rates, yet the volume of trading in PLBT rests between $100,000–150,000 per day, which is less than one percent of the total value of tokens. So what accounts for this single percent? It is most probable that it is simply a trade in tokens issued as bounties (i.e. free of charge)

In accordance with the above, we can see that those investors who paid real money for PLBTs did not succumb to panic selling and herd mentality. They realize that putting money into something like Polybius is a long-term investment. As such, 99% of tokens remain in their original buyers’ wallets. The token value has already begun to rise gradually, and will probably grow further following this publication. It will inevitably continue growing as more news emerge from Polybius.

Cool, you’ve been on TV!
For sure, HashCoins and Polybius have been inundated with various requests for help in organizing ICOs. We certainly cannot answer every one of them in detail. It is unlikely we will even be able to read all of them in full. We shall just have to select the most interesting proposals.

As an example of the above, after the hype regarding the success of the Polybius ICO (it should not be forgotten that the ICO has been conducted by an Estonian company, and by Estonian standards a crowdfunding campaign raising over $30 million is explosive), the heads of Estonian banks started contacting us. They invited HashCoins to give lectures and presentations on blockchains and cryptocurrencies. We have already begun visiting them and sharing our experience for free. If you represent a European bank or a major Russian bank, you are welcome to contact us by email at info@hashcoins.com. Let’s be friends!

[lockept93]

I could write the same - but at least nothing to see. Since month it says: To much work.
But noone ever see something real happen, only organizing money and investors (at least the badest support and community activity all time).
Nothing happend, tokens are worthless numbers atm.

[adhitthana]

I think it's pretty clear now it is a scam. Hope we could save some money from good guys. 

I still can't see where is the SCAM... The licenses for the Polybius Bank can't be on hand of the Founders before several month, perhaps years... Until then, I think there is no increased value for the Tokens.

Also, the Tokens would never be intended to be coins, any form of digital currency. Only representation of more or less 20% of profits of a bank that does not yet exist.

But I must be very dumb.

There is actually no evidence of a scam. That doesn't mean it is not a scam, it just means people calling it a scam don't understand how to use evidence to form a conclusion.

[ct1aic]

From Edgar Bers of Polybius on btctalk:

Hello everyone,

I am happy to see that trolls are now fading away with more common sense being driven into this thread. Once again I need to remind you that Bitcointalk is not the #1 priority place for us to be in, as we are heavily focused on our Telegram groups. In fact, you can see my presence there on a daily basis.

English – t.me/polybius_eng
Russian – t.me/polybius_rus

All our news and latest publications can be found on our Facebook page – https://www.facebook.com/projectpolybius/
We also have Twitter where we post info regarding all our updates – https://twitter.com/polybiusbank

Many of you have participated in our Bounty campaign and you are now waiting for us to pay out the Facebook bounties. Unfortunately we had an issue with Facebook, especially with the way user IDs are provided and matched with some other info. Yesterday we've written a script to automate the matching process and we are now finalizing our sheets. Once done, we will send out the bounties in a single batch, so do not worry and stay tuned.

Those of you who participated in other parts of the Bounty campaign but did not receive their tokens – please contact our support through Intercom.

I will continue monitoring this thread but I highly suggest switching over to our Telegram groups.

[adhitthana]

Those of you who participated in other parts of the Bounty campaign but did not receive their tokens – please contact our support through Intercom.

What is intercom?

[cnupo]

Emercoin legit 100% stop trolling

[blockchainmarketus]

The coin isn't scam. It is traded in etherdelta. I think the scam is the project. Polybius have no real project. I mean Polybius bank. It is just a way to attract investors. Investors will earn the token, It use erc20 token. It is easy to create tokens and no need high money. Do you know that most ICOs projects are scam. The real is the coins but the projects of most ICOs are scam.

[Filmmmakerr]

The coin isn't scam. It is traded in etherdelta. I think the scam is the project. Polybius have no real project. I mean Polybius bank. It is just a way to attract investors. Investors will earn the token, It use erc20 token. It is easy to create tokens and no need high money. Do you know that most ICOs projects are scam. The real is the coins but the projects of most ICOs are scam.

Even though I agree with you however, some projects do need time to develop.

[McNulty]

Read here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.0

Just warning.

Oh, really just warning?


kilo17 = lockept93 = blurreyed = iconfirm - attackers and scammers, which want to get cheap tokens of legit and strong company


Just look how this guys posted at the same time on EMERCOIN thread


look also on trust rating of iconfirm - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=841288

blurreyed  - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=885996

Trusted feedback

This user operates at least 28 accounts and is permabanned from the site: IYFTech = PatMan = cathoderay = deleterase = .....Really? = lobogil = megahash = PatManCan = John1965 = John1900 = YourBlondFriend = Rustiga = FraudSquad = smokem = patSNL = meono = blarneystone = p3yot33at3r = biefstuk = k9control = madk9control = useragent = dogiecontrol = vatfraudster = novatforyou = youliealot = novatforyou = IconFirm = blurryeyed. See the referenced thread for more details.

Also look
lockept93 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=519483


Iconfirm start spamming Emercoin thread at page 67 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.1320 and finished at page 84


Look please at 80 page of Emercoin thread - lockept93 and Iconfirm spam it - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.1580,

then next page - 81 blurreyed joins them - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.1600

Look scam warning thread the same guys everywhere - lockept93 + Iconfirm -https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.20, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.100, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.160 and others....

lockept93 + Iconfirm + blurryeyed https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.140, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.180

On this scam thread also all together - lockept93 + Iconfirm + blurryeyed -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971023.0


lockept93 so active, did you forgot that created 4 threads same day? Are you on drugs?
 

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971023.0
2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970884.0
3. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.0
4. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1952266.0


Well, do you still think they are here to warn you?
No, it was an attack to buy tokens cheaper.

EMERCOIN NEVER EVER ASKED T INVEST IN THEM, THEY NEVER DO AN ICO, SO HOW THEY CAN SCAM THEIR INVESTORS? THERE MORE THAN 5-8 ICO COMING EVERY DAY, SO YOU THINK THEY SO LEGIT? WHY NOT WARN ABOUT THAT?

YES, BECAUSE YOU KNOW HUGE POTENTIAL OF EMERCOIN.

[WALKEN-COIN]

Read here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.0

Just warning.

Oh, really just warning?


kilo17 = lockept93 = blurreyed = iconfirm - attackers and scammers, which want to get cheap tokens of legit and strong company


Just look how this guys posted at the same time on EMERCOIN thread

.............................................................

it is very sad that many people believe in this

[IconFirm]

Well, do you still think they are here to warn you?

Yes.

No, it was an attack to buy tokens cheaper.

I don't & never will buy anything from known scammers or from any group who promotes scam organisations on their website.

[septian123]

Well, do you still think they are here to warn you?

Yes.

No, it was an attack to buy tokens cheaper.

I don't & never will buy anything from known scammers or from any group who promotes scam organisations on their website.

Scammer here is only you, Emercoin never ever asked you to buy something, especially their coins and technologies, all made by their team without investors, if you dont know, so go to do concert it another place

[Jwok]

MS Azure is still providing those EMC services and it looks good from that point - ya its experimental like all the others. I like the timeline of EMC as well. Not many coins have a history like that. We'll see =)

I'm good at the DINO, no big deal.



Cheers.

[blurryeyed]

It's funny reading through the Hashcoins/Polybius thread - it was a scam all along. Of course.

[IconFirm]

It's funny reading through the Hashcoins/Polybius thread - it was a scam all along. Of course.

Now Confirmed.

Stay away from any ICO involving Ambisafe/Hashcoins/Emercoin - Propy, Worldcore, Compcoin, Orderbook, LevelNet, Micromoney, Polybius, Orocrypt, Cryptaur, etc, etc.

[gobbledygook]

confirmed. true scam. it's pity these bastards put shadow and distrust into ICO and crypto in general. i am sure they will get what they truly deserve!

[dwgscale11]

What's going on with Bitfury & this EmerCoin scam now? Does anyone know details?

[blurryeyed]

Now that Hashcoins/Hashflare/Emercoin have scammed 100's of investors for 1000's of BTC it looks like they are now looking for something to spend their ill-gotten gains on & are probably using the stolen funds to buy hardware from Bitfury?

Whatever they're up to - it's another scam for sure.

[maxihatop]

Please, sell out this scam coin ASAP! Now is great chance to dump out this scam, and exchange to real Bitcoin!
Contact trader in the Telegramm: @k_amantidis
And he'll buy huge lot from you by current pumped market price!

[colmonhs]

Please, sell out this scam coin ASAP! Now is great chance to dump out this scam, and exchange to real Bitcoin!
Contact trader in the Telegramm: @k_amantidis
And he'll buy huge lot from you by current pumped market price!

 I should of sold it.
I bought 50 PLBS for $500 valued at $300 now.
Darn

[TheAlchemist]

Cost Polybius went up 2 weeks ago before the market fell. However, after ICO passed almost a year, and they did not do anything at all. It's not really a scam. They just do not do anything and the price does not grow. And the faith of investors also falls and the credibility of the project itself.

[gartmah]

Polybius is going to Brussels!

The first month of the new year is coming to an end, so it's time to share new results of our work and the long-awaited January news - Polybius opens an office in the city of chocolate and international conventions, Brussels.
The choice in favor of Belgium and in particular Brussels was made because of the close proximity to the headquarters of the main institutions of the European Union, and also because of the incredibly attractive dynamics of the Benelux banking market for our project. The successful work of Polybius as a financial institution directly depends on European directives and regulations, in particular PSD2 and eIDAS . Their development is in full swing and will continue through 2018, which is why there can be no better place for the office than at the very epicenter of the new regulations.

Choosing a place to open an office, we started buying all domains in the zones in which we will work, and in whose languages ​​we will offer services.

Having determined the jurisdiction, we also accelerate the expansion of the team of our specialists. In January, the team was joined by Head of Platform and Innovation , who, like no other, understands how to build a modern digital business. The decision to join Polybius was taken after acquaintance with our business model and ambitions. At the moment, he is working on a Belgian global corporation, where he deals with the digitalization of processes. The transition of one of the key elements of the company is a slow process, but we expect that it will take no more than three months. We make every effort to minimize this period as much as possible.

The selection of people in the Polybius team is one of our main priorities. At the moment, we continue to search for three more members of the team - the STO , Head of Legal & Regulatory and Head of Communications - and we are developing DigitalPass and working with partners who will audit the financial statements for 2017, which includes ICO fees.

We until the last expected that we would announce the name of the CEO in mid-January, but there were working and legal moments on the side of Credit Suisse, which will take about a month to resolve. Fortunately, this will not affect the development of the project in any way - lawyers, developers and HR agencies are already engaged in their work, and we are planning to announce the long-awaited name of the CEO by February 20 . In addition to the announcement of the CEO's title, by the end of February we are going to finalize the preparation of MVP DigitalPass, for which we are already developing a frontend and private blockade. In the next months, we will pass a closed test, after which we will begin integrating DigitalPass into our services. Unfortunately, due to the need to patent all the technologies we create, we can not yet disclose the technical details of the development.

https://cryptor.net/news/polibius-edet-v-bryussel-470

[blurryeyed]

**snip the BS**

Why are you posting this crap in one of their many scam threads? Go post it in their official thread....oh wait, you can't because moderators deleted it. 

Shill.

[SparkIt]

I congratulate those who managed to sell PLBT in zero. You can even find in this a some consolation. At least if it was the fiat currency in start ICO, then you successfully bought the crypto currency without a fee. Although it's anyway sad.

[inillo]

Thank you for the warning, is good that this forum serves also to expose scams. Just an advice, try to make it shorter and state more clearly why is a scam. Then is fine to provide proof, again, orderly.

[nixon778]

If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*
first im not involved or invested in Polybius or Emercoin in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i found some really open and easy to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.I have nothing from degrade a kindly fair company - nothing. So think about why i should say all this, if it isn't the truth in my opinion and others.This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.Also i see many fake accounts pushing that and try to give it a real feeling.Here is everything i found so far.So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius & Emercoin scam.

[nixon778]

Please, sell out this scam coin ASAP! Now is great chance to dump out this scam, and exchange to real Bitcoin!
Contact trader in the Telegramm: @k_amantidis
And he'll buy huge lot from you by current pumped market price!

[nixon778]

*If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*

Hi,

first im not involved or invested in Polybius or Emercoin in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i found some really open and easy to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.

I have nothing from degrade a kindly fair company - nothing. So think about why i should say all this, if it isn't the truth in my opinion and others.

This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.

Also i see many fake accounts pushing that and try to give it a real feeling.

Here is everything i found so far.

So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius & Emercoin scam.
I just copy some qoutes and pls read this and check it for yourself.

Here is a very indepth scam investigation posted on a Russian blog that exposes the Hashcoins/Polybius scam for what it is:

Original Russian version:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%2Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto&newwindow=1&gbv=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Google translated version:

https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search%3Fq%3Dcache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%252Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto%26newwindow%3D1%26gbv%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk

As the report states, Hashcoins somehow got the original post deleted (payment or legal threats?) but thanks to the webz we can still access it.

Enjoy Smiley

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?
If this is True- it cant be Scam! This is awsome. <3

I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

https://s12.postimg.org/t4j1mhwlp/HC1.pngfree photo hosting

Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

https://s30.postimg.org/kovjkjy7l/image.pngimage ru

Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.

"Powered by HASHCOINS"

*close


Another quote:

just newbies reviews

Yup - shill accounts from the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank "Team".

A quote from the Emercoin thread FYI:

No I am not a spokesman for Oleg, I'm a spokesman for logic and reason.

Right. So you think that it's logical & reasonable to advertise, promote, endorse, defend & link to a proven scam company like hashcoins on your website & your thread then.  Got it.

You have no proof to back your accusation of Polybius being a scam, otherwise you'd have presented it.

The proof is on their website, it presents itself.

https://polybius.io/#team

That polybius "Team" are the same hashcoins "Team" who scammed customers for 1000's selling vapourware. Guess who's also on that list - good old Oleg Khovayko Blockchain CTO, Emercoin. He crops up quite a lot actually, along with a few other recognisable Hashcoins/Hashflare/Chronobank/Emercoin/Polybius profiles. Of course, Emercoin & Polybius are also advertised by these Hashcoins scammers, & it's no surprise that Polybius advertise Emercoin & Hashcoins also - is that some back scratching or because it's the same people I wonder....

Let's break it down & make it easier for you, open the following web pages in different tabs:

https://www.hashcoins.com/management
https://hashflare.io/team/
https://polybius.io/#team
https://emercoin.com/team

Apart from the obvious similarities in the website layouts, the same profiles crop up over & over again on each site, proving that the same people are behind them. This is not "FUD" as you call it - it is fact & it is displayed on the websites for all to see.

Oh, and who's involved with all of them?  You guessed it - Emercoin dev Oleg Khovayko.  Don't even think about denying it - it's there for all to see.

Total USD: 19,527,830$
Participants: 17269

That's not an answer - just numbers.

Wait - WHAT!?

So those lying, cheating, thieving scumbags Hashcoins have reared their scammy heads again & are pushing another scam under a different name eh? WTF!!!!

Those motherf*ckers disappeared years ago with everyone's money - now they're back pushing another scam thinking everyone's forgotten about it?  NOT A CHANCE!

Look at all the noob shill accounts they're using to avoid using their real Hashcoins account, not to mention the BS numbers they keep posting - unf*ckingbelievable - what a joke those c*nts are.

ANYONE & EVERYONE - DO NOT GIVE HASHCOINS/POLYBIUS A SINGLE CENT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW BEFORE THEY RUN OFF WITH IT AGAIN.

I can assure you this is another Hashcoins scam - GET OUT NOW!!!

Frankly, I do not see the point of your warnings here. The necessary amount has already been collected - and you can not do anything and have no influence whatsoever ...

What? Every single second this is running forward more people lose more money. Thats extremly annoying that u easy can see whats going on, but you dont want to see.





An other point:

Here is very important document: http://www.fi.ee/public/hoiatusteated/20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf

Translation: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi.ee%2Fpublic%2Fhoiatusteated%2F20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf&edit-text=

This shows that marketing is stronger then sober thinking.

A real banking project has to have real experience, with at least Payment Institution license with confirmations of that. Hope, soon, there will be a project that will bring a legal solution with full transparency. Not only marketing.

I will open a thread for this.

And here also the answer from my mailing with Ernest and Young:
(It's german)

"vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wie Sie schon zurecht in Erwägung gezogen haben, stimmt die von Ihnen beigefügte Nachricht nicht. EY  (Ernst & Young) stand und steht mit Polybius Cryptobank in keinerlei Geschäftsverhältnis. EY hat Polybius bereits aufgefordert, anderslautende Informationen von der Website des Unternehmens zu entfernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

EmerCoin is from the same organisation.

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated

https://s7.postimg.org/wi29j6j6j/ENAA.png

99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam

http://up.picr.de/29509311dq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29509312xt.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29509313pv.jpg




Sure we can find more, but for me the fact that the same people from Hashcoin team are part of the Polybius team makes me scary enought that i wouldn't recommend to put money into Polybius & EmerCoin!





Here a list of users i believe that are involved or fake accounts to publish and move forward this scam organisation:

- FreakSeaker Makes a few posts about saying anything about Eth and Waves defs and just say Emercoin is great - makes no sense

- mzn brand new poster in polybius thread like a old known boy - just created to push the buisness and keep everything cool

- b080180d 62/62 posts about polybius and in polybius thread - repeat every post that say scam and try to push it away




What did you think?

[mummybtc]

Many FUD during the ICO and the team was able to raise significant amount of money then, and since then I have not seen much from the team, banking is a very tricky thing but because Estonia Government is very friendly to fintech they are hiding in the company, they need to come out and justify the fund thay collected during the ICO, most of the people that invested in the ICO are now in red

[nixon778]

*If you do not want believe - please try it with trust me! Later you will maybe come and say thank you.*

Hi,

first im not involved or invested in Polybius or Emercoin in any way, i just find that thread a few days ago and i found some really open and easy to see aspects that this is a new Scam-Giant from the devs of the proofen scam Hashcoins.

I have nothing from degrade a kindly fair company - nothing. So think about why i should say all this, if it isn't the truth in my opinion and others.

This is so extremly obv. that i was shocked after i see how many people do believe in this and put much money into it.

Also i see many fake accounts pushing that and try to give it a real feeling.

Here is everything i found so far.

So i want to use this thread for warning, discussion and proofs about the Polybius & Emercoin scam.
I just copy some qoutes and pls read this and check it for yourself.

Here is a very indepth scam investigation posted on a Russian blog that exposes the Hashcoins/Polybius scam for what it is:

Original Russian version:

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%2Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto&newwindow=1&gbv=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

Google translated version:

https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search%3Fq%3Dcache:GZzOZ5WSs9AJ:https://bitnovosti.com/2017/05/29/radi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto/%252Bradi-bitcoyna-ostanovite-eto%26newwindow%3D1%26gbv%3D1%26hl%3Den%26ct%3Dclnk

As the report states, Hashcoins somehow got the original post deleted (payment or legal threats?) but thanks to the webz we can still access it.

Enjoy Smiley

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/amp/

Is this True?

Is polybius Backed/advised by ernst&young?
If this is True- it cant be Scam! This is awsome. <3

I hope you're all aware that the Hashcoins crew are behind this ICO.

The same Hashcoins who stole 1000's off of forum members by selling mining hardware that doesn't exist.

https://s12.postimg.org/t4j1mhwlp/HC1.pngfree photo hosting

Not a single item delivered.

Then they abandoned their thread:     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg19333790#msg19333790

The same Hashcoins are doing numerous ICO's on this forum.

https://s30.postimg.org/kovjkjy7l/image.pngimage ru

Research & use due diligence before throwing your hard earned cash at these people. If you are comfortable giving your money to these proven scammers, go ahead.

Just a friendly FYI. Good luck.

"Powered by HASHCOINS"

*close


Another quote:

just newbies reviews

Yup - shill accounts from the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin/Chronobank "Team".

A quote from the Emercoin thread FYI:

No I am not a spokesman for Oleg, I'm a spokesman for logic and reason.

Right. So you think that it's logical & reasonable to advertise, promote, endorse, defend & link to a proven scam company like hashcoins on your website & your thread then.  Got it.

You have no proof to back your accusation of Polybius being a scam, otherwise you'd have presented it.

The proof is on their website, it presents itself.

https://polybius.io/#team

That polybius "Team" are the same hashcoins "Team" who scammed customers for 1000's selling vapourware. Guess who's also on that list - good old Oleg Khovayko Blockchain CTO, Emercoin. He crops up quite a lot actually, along with a few other recognisable Hashcoins/Hashflare/Chronobank/Emercoin/Polybius profiles. Of course, Emercoin & Polybius are also advertised by these Hashcoins scammers, & it's no surprise that Polybius advertise Emercoin & Hashcoins also - is that some back scratching or because it's the same people I wonder....

Let's break it down & make it easier for you, open the following web pages in different tabs:

https://www.hashcoins.com/management
https://hashflare.io/team/
https://polybius.io/#team
https://emercoin.com/team

Apart from the obvious similarities in the website layouts, the same profiles crop up over & over again on each site, proving that the same people are behind them. This is not "FUD" as you call it - it is fact & it is displayed on the websites for all to see.

Oh, and who's involved with all of them?  You guessed it - Emercoin dev Oleg Khovayko.  Don't even think about denying it - it's there for all to see.

Total USD: 19,527,830$
Participants: 17269

That's not an answer - just numbers.

Wait - WHAT!?

So those lying, cheating, thieving scumbags Hashcoins have reared their scammy heads again & are pushing another scam under a different name eh? WTF!!!!

Those motherf*ckers disappeared years ago with everyone's money - now they're back pushing another scam thinking everyone's forgotten about it?  NOT A CHANCE!

Look at all the noob shill accounts they're using to avoid using their real Hashcoins account, not to mention the BS numbers they keep posting - unf*ckingbelievable - what a joke those c*nts are.

ANYONE & EVERYONE - DO NOT GIVE HASHCOINS/POLYBIUS A SINGLE CENT, YOU WILL NEVER SEE IT AGAIN. GET YOUR MONEY BACK NOW BEFORE THEY RUN OFF WITH IT AGAIN.

I can assure you this is another Hashcoins scam - GET OUT NOW!!!

Frankly, I do not see the point of your warnings here. The necessary amount has already been collected - and you can not do anything and have no influence whatsoever ...

What? Every single second this is running forward more people lose more money. Thats extremly annoying that u easy can see whats going on, but you dont want to see.





An other point:

Here is very important document: http://www.fi.ee/public/hoiatusteated/20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf

Translation: https://translate.google.pl/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fi.ee%2Fpublic%2Fhoiatusteated%2F20170606_Hoiatusteade_Polybius.pdf&edit-text=

This shows that marketing is stronger then sober thinking.

A real banking project has to have real experience, with at least Payment Institution license with confirmations of that. Hope, soon, there will be a project that will bring a legal solution with full transparency. Not only marketing.

I will open a thread for this.

And here also the answer from my mailing with Ernest and Young:
(It's german)

"vielen Dank für Ihre Anfrage. Wie Sie schon zurecht in Erwägung gezogen haben, stimmt die von Ihnen beigefügte Nachricht nicht. EY  (Ernst & Young) stand und steht mit Polybius Cryptobank in keinerlei Geschäftsverhältnis. EY hat Polybius bereits aufgefordert, anderslautende Informationen von der Website des Unternehmens zu entfernen.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

Just translating the German text to English:
"Thank you for your request. As you already thought the message you attached is wrong. EY  (Ernst & Young) does not and has never had a business relation with Polybius Cryptobank. EY already requested Polybius zo remove different informations from their website.

Best regards
Dag-Stefan Rittmeister"

I found a very interesting recording of a telephone interview with Daniel Haudenschild, who is described as a Partner to Ernst & Young on their website (https://webforms.ey.com/ch/en/industries/financial-services/ey-contact-implementing-new-regulatory-requirements), on Soundcloud dated 6th June 2017, just after this Hashcoins/Polybius ICO scam started. The interviwee is a long time Bitcoin adopter & is very knowledgable in the field - this comes across very clearly in the interview with the questions he asks, which Daniel Haudenschild fails on all fronts to give an answer to.  Have a listen (ignore the first 30 seconds of silly music!):

https://soundcloud.com/junsethsworld/daniel-haudenschild-of-ernst-young-discusses-polybius-ico-6617-1151

There are several points of interest in the interview, here are a few that are relevent to this scam accusation:

1) 04.35 - Hashcoins confirmed as the people behind Polybius.
2) 06.30 - They don't hold a banking license.
3) 07.40 - Daniel Haudenschild admits that even he doesn't know who owns Polybius, which is not only strange coming from an "advisor" who works for Ernst & Young, but is also not disclosed in the white paper.
4) 09.10 - Ernst & Young did NOT endorse Polybius in any way & actions are underway to remove any Ernst & Young connection with Polybius. (*more on this below)
5) 09.30 - Hashcoins are a cludmining brand who sold miners that didn't exist.
6) 09.50 - Emercoin confirmed as partners & are described as a "non-sense project" (confirming the connection between Polybius, Hashcoins & Emercoin - which Emercoin have tried to deny on multiple occasions, despite me proving to them otherwise)

After the above & for the rest of the interview, Daniel Haudenschild seems unable to properly answer a single question, is often confused into silence & comes across as being pretty embarrassed about the whole thing. He must feel pretty stupid allowing not just himself, but the whole Ernst & Young brand name to be dragged into this whole scammy affair & I wouldn't be at all surprised if he loses his job at Ernst & Young for doing so.....

Wait, what's this?.......**MASSIVE UPDATE**

Daniel Haudenschild lost his job at Ernst & Young......

FT published a transcript of the above interview:

https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2017/06/07/2189826/building-blockchain-banks-with-icos/    (regtoread)

Updated at the bottom with:

Update (June 8th, 18:43 London time): EY have got in touch to say that “At publication of this story, Daniel Haudenschild is no longer with EY and his comments concerning EY’s Blockchain strategy are incorrect.”

*Ernst & Young have since instructed Polybius to remove all reference of Ernst & Young from the Polybius website & advertising. Polybius removed the Ernst & Young profiles from their website but continue to use it for advertising on various forums, websites & so called "news" outlets on the web:

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/05/15/swiss-ey-officially-joins-polybius-cryptobank-advisors-ico-follow/

https://www.cryptoninjas.net/2017/04/25/blockchain-startup-polybius-bank-setup-switzerland-ernst-young-agrees-advise/

If Ernst & Young are prepared to fire anyone who associates their brand with Polybius, I'm pretty sure they will also go after Hashcoins/Polybius too. I hope they do, it will save many people getting ripped of by Hashcoins again, but you can do your bit too by contacting Ernst & Young using the below link (Fraud Investigation):

https://webforms.ey.com/uk/en/services/assurance/fraud-investigation---dispute-services

Let's be honest here, if Polybius are prepared to lie about their association with Ernst & Young then brag about it on the web - what else are they lying about? Add to this the fact that Hashcoins (older crypto users will know about them) are behind all of this & you've got a scam the size of Mt Etna waiting to explode.

Another point to mention here is the OP of the Polybius thread, nixoid, aka: Andrey Zamovskiy, founder of Ambisafe. nixoid has posted many ICO posts lately & I've read reports on most of them being a similar type scam as Polybius. I'm not sure if Ambisafe are connected to Hashcoins/Polybius - but the fact that Ambisafe are promoting them here & on their website is cause enough for concern:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1848751.msg19734730#msg19734730

All these scam ICO's are the scurge of crypto. For every legit one, there are 100 scam ones. The sooner we cleanse crypto of them, the better crypto will be for it.

I'm sure I'll get more BS neg-reps from the multitude of Polybius shill accounts (they love posting about it on their thread:)), but I really don't care tbh. I believe that if I can stop one person getting scammed then it's worth it - & the intelligent forum users here will see straight through the false trust anyway.

OK. Bash away

EmerCoin is from the same organisation.

They are associated with hashcoins which never delivered any miners to there buyers
hashcoins is a cloud mining site
which is another red flag

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.820
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=362513.msg15540242#msg15540242
emercoin is not to be trusted
fake testimonials in hashcoins website
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.msg16172367#msg16172367
hashcoins exit scam proof
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1059735.20
proof of being associated

https://s7.postimg.org/wi29j6j6j/ENAA.png

99% Polybius is a scam . Centralized Bank LOL no one needs that they are just selling hopium
Estonia will never give a license for bitcoin bank
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4efdam/estonia_now_officially_worst_country_in_eu_for/

https://news.bitcoin.com/bitcoin-exchange-forced-move-estonia-supreme-court-decision/

http://blog.instantscamalert.com/2014/12/hashcoin-review.html


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=218926
go reviews which are untrusted and see


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851039.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=438135.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1040702.0
after this if they are asking for money again , I am sure it is a scam

http://up.picr.de/29509311dq.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29509312xt.jpg

http://up.picr.de/29509313pv.jpg




Sure we can find more, but for me the fact that the same people from Hashcoin team are part of the Polybius team makes me scary enought that i wouldn't recommend to put money into Polybius & EmerCoin!





Here a list of users i believe that are involved or fake accounts to publish and move forward this scam organisation:

- FreakSeaker Makes a few posts about saying anything about Eth and Waves defs and just say Emercoin is great - makes no sense

- mzn brand new poster in polybius thread like a old known boy - just created to push the buisness and keep everything cool

- b080180d 62/62 posts about polybius and in polybius thread - repeat every post that say scam and try to push it away




What did you think?

[blurryeyed]

Bumping this to remind the community that Hashcoins/Hashflare/Emercoin/Polybius is a scam.

[maxihatop]

Yeah, yeah, Emercoin is a scam, of course!

1. This scam has existed since 2013, and steadily grows by ~400% each year:
https://medium.com/@emer.tech/emercoin-2017-results-42bbc18b136e

2. This scam is used by Russian Railways to notarize cargo area status:
https://etpgp.rzd.ru/#news

3. This scam is used by Deloitte (on of big four auditors) in their product DOCSENSUS:
https://www.econotimes.com/Deloitte-demonstrates-new-solution-for-electronic-document-flow-based-on-Emercoin-blockchain-605619

4. This scam is used by grands from the Telecom industry:
http://ezuce.com/ezuce-emercoin-speed-adoption-blockchain-phone-video-services/
https://www.portaone.com/success-stories/portaone-emercoin-blockchain

5. And, this scam is used by Coca-Cola and U.S. State department:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-blockchain-coca-cola-labor/coca-cola-u-s-state-dept-to-use-blockchain-to-combat-forced-labor-idUSKCN1GS2PY

With these 5 points proving strong and undeniable evidence of Emercoin being a total scam!

[blurryeyed]

Yeah, yeah, Emercoin is a scam, of course!

Hello Oleg!

Still "advising" the Polybius scam are you? You know, the one that moderators here deleted? You & Eugene must have made a killing on that one, especially after all the promo work he done for them on medium on behalf of Emercoin.

Still advertising & working for Hashcoins are you? You know, the same Hashcoins who's entire thread has been moved to the scam section?

You're a busy little man aren't you.

[Biff_Tannen]

MORE EVIDENCE ON SCAM (NEW!!!)

me -> Turns on computer Windows 98

me -> Goes to a trash website built on php

me -> Screams that EmerCoin is a scam at the top of my lungs

me -> Pukes on the fucking keyboard

me -> Posts it

me -> Does this everyday

This is my life, jealous?

Despite there being no evidence (literally none), we, the dumb investors who sold all our emercoins a long time ago and now regret it because of how much profit we could of made if only we had kept on to them, and weren't just a bunch of greedy monkeys on a treadmill.

Do you want to prove me wrong? go ahead, but please do not reply to this if you dont have actual evidence that backs up any of your retarded and irrelevant claims, and no, a fake article that you wrote does not count as evidence, sorry.

I would also like to note that nobody in the emercoin team makes any major profit, as they dont sell their emercoins, or claim that it is set to grow and that you should invest in it/buy it from them, like bitconnect did

Total evidence proving emercoin is a scam: you guys screaming that it is

Total evidence proving your point, or backing up your claims: wait where is it?

[bitcoinvestor]

Many project are scam project. Be careful to invest in it. There are also legit project.
This is very importand that trusted people show newbies and unknown that this whole project is obv a scam and do not will deliver what they promise.
Everybody who spend money into this cant say he do not know this after they scam and run away

[maxihatop]

> Hello Oleg!

Hi blurryeyed (and maybe other accounts owner).

> Still "advising" the Polybius scam are you?

Your question is like: Have you stopped drinking cognac in the morning?

Your question already assumes "Polybius is a scam". This is not a fact. The token still exists, and trading on the market. The site still exists, too.
I really do not know, what is happening with them, since I do not have any interests in that business.
Yes, I am technical adviser of them.
And several times suggested their CTO, Nikolay Pavlovskiy, some technical solutions about cybersecurity and notarization, based on Emercoin blockchain.
And we together developed some IT architectures for future bank. And this is my role as adviser, and no more.
I do not control that business, do not have any interest in that, and do not response about their possible success or fail.
Maybe you know, 80% of regular startups fails in 3 years? Investing in startup - is normal business-risk.
Polybius has risks, as same other startup as. But, to blame the project as a "scam", you must prove intentional malice. I don't know any.

Anyway - since I am not participate in that startup, I do not responsible for their future. I did not got a penny from their ICO funds.

And I don't understand, why are you blame Emercoin as a scam, just based on your minds about Polybius.
Emercoin is not Polybius. Do you have facts, how Emercoin cheated someone? Please, share it here.


> You know, the one that moderators here deleted?

I don't know. But anyway, I don't understand, how deleting a moderator is related to Emercoin.

> You & Eugene must have made a killing on that one,

You accuse us - we killed moderator?! Are you serious?!

> especially after all the promo work he done for them on medium on behalf of Emercoin.

Maybe I do not understand something, but in my opinion, you are delirious.

> Still advertising & working for Hashcoins are you?

I never advertising and working for Hashcoins. maybe you are confusing me with someone?

> You know, the same Hashcoins who's entire thread has been moved to the scam section?

Don't know. And this is not interesting for me. Maybe moved. And - how does this relate in any way to me or Emercoin?

> You're a busy little man aren't you.

Yes, I'm busy. Very busy. Not a little. And why does this matter in any way?

[blurryeyed]

@Oleg:

I see your grasp of English is limited, let alone your typing skills, so it's probably better if you don't try to quote text you don't fully understand.....

Maybe that explains why you don't understand the mountain of evidence in the OP or quoted in the posts directly above yours, but I think you just choose to ignore it. Suggest you read it all again - if you still don't understand anything, ask me & I'll help you understand.

[maxihatop]

I looked at your "evidence". These are links to questionable and prejudiced forum posts and articles. Where, for example, the criterion for assessing my qualifications is a wallpaper (background image) on the monitor, next to which I was once photographed. Thanks, it has been funny to read such "strong" evidences.

In addition, I see that your claims are directed to Hashcoins / Polibius. Well, how is Emercoin related to it?
I repeat the question: Whom, when and how wronged Emercoin?

Regarding English:
Yes, you're correct, English isn't my native language, and maybe I missed something. OK, I followed your hint, and did not provided citations here.

[blurryeyed]

To quote from your Hashcoins scam thread:

Nice to see that this thread has finally been moved to the scam section - thank you moderators.

Quoting this from the unofficial Polybius (Hashcoins) thread as it is relevant & I'm too lazy to type it out again:

Are these the people who do not write here anymore and do not deliver any updates?

Yes, but there are a few more people of interest who are heavily involved:



Meet Oleg. As you can see, he's the Emercoin CTO who is part of the Polybius team & also works for Hashcoins/Hashflare -it's basically the same group of scammers behind these & other scams.

Then there's Eugene Shumilov, Founder & CEO of Emercoin:



He spent a lot of time posting on Medium about how great Polybius was, even spattering his Emercoin logo with Polybius's in an effort to give it some credibility, but keeping quiet about the fact that he & his Hashcoins cronies were behind it all along:

https://medium.com/@emer.tech/polybius-bank-the-biggest-story-of-the-year-in-the-cryptocurrency-realm-634c9b1db57

Now meet Andrey Zamovsky & the Ambisafe crew:



Andrey Zamovsky uses a few aliases on BCT, but his main one is nixoid, which he uses to promote his scam ICO's on behalf of Ambisafe. He's been busy deleting most of his scam ICO announcements lately, but have a look at the clients list of ICO's on their webpage - almost every one of their coin ICO's listed there are confirmed scams or soon to be confirmed scams with many accusations against them:

https://www.ambisafe.co/customers/

You'll notice Polybius there too, who's official thread was also deleted by moderators here for obvious reasons.

In case anyone didn't know already, the official Hashcoins thread was recently moved from the hardware section to the scam section by BCT moderators, albeit about 2 or 3 years too late. Hashcoins are well known by the more experienced BCT members for their scams & had their official (& abandoned by Hashcoins btw) thread been moved to the scam section earlier then Polybius/Hashflare/Emercoin would never have gotten off the ground to scam newer, less experienced members. I would usually say "better late than never", but in this case it simply isn't - as many forum members have now been scammed by the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin team.
I & many others posted many, many warnings about Polybius & the fact that Hashcoins/Hashflare/Emercoin were behind it & were not to be trusted - those who chose to ignore all those warnings & didn't do any research into Hashcoins shady history only have themselves to blame I'm afraid.

Wondering where all the Hashcoins/Hashflare/Polybius/Emercoin shills are........

As far as I can gather, all images are from the Polybius site - quite a few Emercoin members in there eh?

It's strange that you are now posting denials now that your Hashcoins/Polybius involvement has been exposed & both those threads have been confirmed as scams or deleted entirely - especially after repeatedly ignoring questions about it in your own Emercoin thread:

No comment from Oleg (maxihatop) on the Emercoin thread:

**Oleg online**

How about you Oleg - care to answer?

Emercoin and Polybius are NOT the same organization.

You can assure everyone that this is the case by removing the Hashcoins scammers link from your website. After all, linking to & promoting proven scammers like them on your website is bound to create suspicion - don't you think?

No comment?

Well, seeing as Eugene Shumilov - Founder and CEO of Emercoin - has been so busy promoting Polybius & Hashcoins on medium lately:

https://medium.com/@emer.tech/polybius-bank-the-biggest-story-of-the-year-in-the-cryptocurrency-realm-634c9b1db57

..I can't say I'm surprised you can't (or won't) answer.

So it's true that Emercoin & Hashcoins/Polybius are the same team then.

Thanks for clarifying.

**Oleg logs off**

Amazing. Not a single answer from a single member of the Emercoin/Hashcoins/Polybius team either here or on medium, but they have no problem posting to advertise themselves.....

Guilty.

Proof that Emercoin are Hashcoins are Polybius.

**helpful hint**   Click on the links & read carefully & slowly.

What other ICO scams are you & your Emercoin/Hashcoins team involved in?

[maxihatop]

1. On the Poybius page "team" I am just an adviser, and this is clearly explained on their site: https://polybius.io/#team
And I confirm this - yes, I provided technical advise to them, to help them to use our technologies. And no more.
Your claims about:
 - Meet Oleg. As you can see, he's the Emercoin CTO who is part of the Polybius team
 - there are a few more people of interest who are heavily involved:
this is competely false. I am not "heavily involved" nor "part of the Polybius team". You cited again your previous fantasies, and no more.
Maybe you are not aware, but adviser != team_member.
Your other "evidences" seem to be just simple attempts of slander.

2. Regarding your thesis "polibius=scam":
Again: To blame as a scam, you need to provide proof of malicious intentions before starting the project.
I do not see such obvious evidences, but your claims.

OK. I see, this topic (where we're claimed as a scam) has been started almost 1 year ago. During this discussion, neither Polybius, nor Emercoin was gone.
Moreover, Emercoin's value has been increased ~4x times for this period (as usual).
I am proud to participate in such "scam", which grows ~400% per year since 2013.

OK, let future judge us.

[rumexx]

If Polybius (PLBT) is scam why is it still trading in almost all the exchanges ? If anyone has an issue with a project let him find a judicious way to sort the issues out and not to rush to the forum with  fake scam alert.

[IconFirm]

If Polybius (PLBT) is scam why is it still trading in almost all the exchanges ?

It is not traded on "almost all the exchanges" - only scam/Russian ones. A coin being traded does not mean it is not a scam - there are literally 100's of shitcoins being traded that are scams.

If anyone has an issue with a project let him find a judicious way to sort the issues out and not to rush to the forum with  fake scam alert.

The official Polybius thread was deleted by BCT moderators because it was a scam ICO.
They lied to their investors on multiple occasions.
They abandoned their thread as soon as the ICO was finished.
They used multiple fake/shill accounts.
It was run by Hashcoins - a known scam organisation who are still scamming.

Do a search for Polybius in the scam section or google "polybius scam" for more info.

It's fact & Oleg & his Hashcoins promoting Emercoin team knows it.

[jnns]

If you do a google search on the word "scam" for whatever, then you will find out that everything out there is a scam.

[nbo79]

HashFlare and Polybius - Scam

[deqert]

I thought this will happen. Numerous individuals are telling and anticipating this will be conceivably progressed toward becoming trick in light of its individuals associated with other various ICO tricks.

[Komireak]

I like the possibility of crypto bank, and the specific idea appears to be extremely intriguing, particularly for EU natives since something to that effect does not yet exist, I for one I have not contributed but rather I enlisted on the site to perceive what it was, I trust it won't be trick and will function admirably.

Nowadays there are an excessive number of issues with check card backers

[blurryeyed]

I like the possibility of crypto bank, and the specific idea appears to be extremely intriguing....

Then you have no idea about crypto.

Crypto came about to get rid of banks & their devious practices - a crypto bank goes against the very core nature crypto & serves no purpose apart from ripping off customers like the fiat banks do.

A crypto bank run by Hashcoins, one of cyrpto's biggest & most well known scammers is even more pointless.

The Polybius thread was deleted from the English section because it is a scam.

The Hashcoins thread was moved to the scam section because they are scammers.

Go ahead. Throw your coins at them......

[SeXy]

is it rattling polybius losing championing scam? in that I already connection championing the facebook and warble cause. I craving it was aint scam

[Suzemw]

I like the possibility of crypto bank, and the simple idea appears to be extremely fascinating, particularly for EU nationals since something to that effect does not yet exist, I for one I have not contributed but rather I enlisted on the site to perceive what it was, I trust it won't be trick and will function admirably.
Nowadays there are an excessive number of issues with check card guarantors

[Topilsimn]

The coin isn't trick. It is exchanged etherdelta. I think the trick is the venture. Polybius have no genuine task. I mean Polybius bank. It is only an approach to pull in financial specialists. Speculators will gain the token, It utilize erc20 token. It is anything but difficult to make tokens and no need high cash. Do you realize that most ICOs ventures are trick. The genuine is the coins however the ventures of most ICOs are trick.

[IconFirm]

Here's the latest lies from the Emercoin/Hashcoins thread, for the record:

Our offices are located in the United States, Spain, Germany, Ukraine and Russia.

Where exactly?

Sorry, due to security rules we can't tell such information.

You are required by law to provide your company office business addresses. If they exist of course.

We are still working on creating a foundation for structuring the project legally wise.

Doesn't matter. If you have business offices in the places you say you do, then you are required by law to provide those company office business addresses.

We are not obliged to provide this information.

BS 

Also, Emercoin are still proudly advertising Hashcoins on their ANN page, even though the entire Hashcoins thread was moved to the scam section many months ago:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.880

Why? - Because they are the same people.

[dadisde]

Thank you very much for warning. There are too much ICOs that are actually scam right now. People should make research before investing in any coin, but unfortunately nobody does so. Everybody is just buying alts without any investigation.

[Emercoin Official]

Thank you very much for warning. There are too much ICOs that are actually scam right now. People should make research before investing in any coin, but unfortunately nobody does so. Everybody is just buying alts without any investigation.

We'd say we are one of the most perspective and unique projects for new era.
Emercoin is based on Bitcoin’s original code, but while it inherits the same security and reliability, it also adds flexibility through a number of innovative additions.
Our distinctive features are high reliability, robustness and three-in-one hybrid mining (PoW+Merged Mining+PoS)

Emercoin’s Name-Value Storage (NVS) is a simple yet powerful concept that allows you to store arbitrary data within the blockchain. This has already allowed a range of distributed services, from a decentralized DNS to a free VoIP service.

We will also never sacrifice security for flexibility. Unlike “smart” contracts, which have already caused multi-million scams and security compromising in the past, Emercoin’s NVS logic is not Turing-complete and cannot be used to write malicious code.

[blurryeyed]

Thank you very much for warning. There are too much ICOs that are actually scam right now. People should make research before investing in any coin, but unfortunately nobody does so. Everybody is just buying alts without any investigation.

**snip the cr@p**

@Emercoin Official:

Instead of explaining yourself you choose to spout more BS marketing drivel for your scams.

Guilty as proven.

I have a feeling you're Sergei Potapenko - am I right?

[IconFirm]

More lies from Emercoin:

Do you have any update on the unprocessed payouts from the Emercoin Idea contest of 2016? There are several participants still waiting for the undistributed EMC of the contest.
I personally have as well contributed to the contest (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1415449.msg14419373#msg14419373) and have been waiting as well. I reached out several times to the Emercoin team but never got any response which shines quite a bad light on Emercoin as a whole. They do not seem to care much about their community as well as not realizing their promises.

We're looking into this issue and will update you ASAP.

Thank you.

Any update?

Any update?

You won't get an answer because they've scammed you & everyone else who is waiting for their coins. I suggest you open a scam accusation against them & post about it in their other scam threads:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1971023.msg46685310#msg46685310

&

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1970796.msg46655381#msg46655381

I will post this latest lie in those threads too, as well as every other lie they post until they answer the questions asked by (potential) investors:

We are the support team of Emercoin and we will gladly answer all your questions here,

Another lie.

Our offices are located in the United States, Spain, Germany, Ukraine and Russia.

Prove it. Tell us where your fairy tale business office addresses are then.

[gowobonyok]

why is there a lot of ico detected by a scam? I think nowadays many ico have appeared and their promising projects will be all successful.

[dumplingsandsushi]

Even if there is just a little bit of evidence that things are shady or scammy, it is best to just stay away.
Crypto is such a huge market that you can easily make your money in something else.
It's not like you are going to miss your chance to make profit just because you didn't invest in polybius or emercoin.
It is much better to just stay away from these.

The thing is, I would say most "scam" projects are not straight up scams at all.
Rather, they are projects run by unprofessional people who don't know what they are doing.
For example, promising something, then not delivering on it is very different than straight up taking your money and running away.

But, in the end, the result is the same, teh investor loses out.
From the beginning of time, people have taken advantage of ignorant, greedy, impulsive buyers.
Don't become one and just stay away from anything that smells even slightly fishy.

[blurryeyed]

Good advice of course.  However, scam threads are a very useful tool for warning any noob investors. With the availability scam threads, nobody can turn around & say "why didn't anyone tell me?".

The fact that they refuse to answer the allegations/questions is an admission of guilt:

Thank you very much for warning. There are too much ICOs that are actually scam right now. People should make research before investing in any coin, but unfortunately nobody does so. Everybody is just buying alts without any investigation.

**snip the cr@p**

@Emercoin Official:

Instead of explaining yourself you choose to spout more BS marketing drivel for your scams.

Guilty as proven.

I have a feeling you're Sergei Potapenko - am I right?

[IconFirm]

Update:

However, I followed the link. How do you know it's theirs? Created by some emerfund and Fixx which I never heard of.

Fixx is the OP of this thread & part of the Emercoin scammer team. Read the threads.

Don't you think it could be just scammers who wanted to use Emercoin? Looks suspicious from the very beginning.

No. They have already admitted it was them. You're right to be suspicious however - everything these guys do is suspicious, like working for & promoting scams like Hashcoins & Polybius for example, or telling users here that they have business offices in United States, Spain, Germany, Ukraine and Russia when they clearly don't. Read the threads.

upload your pics




When these scammers pay everyone who participated in their fake competition, divulge all their fairy tale business addresses that they gleefully lie about & come clean about their involvement with & why they promote the Hashcoins & Polybius scammers I will remove my negative feedback.

Since posting this the emercoin thread has been silent.....

[IconFirm]

I'm just trying to work out why a six year old noob account suddenly comes out of retirement to necromance various Hashcoins/Polybius/Emercoin threads with a plethora of posts in defence of these scammers, instantly doubling his post count.....lol

Enlighten me.

[blurryeyed]

@sysman:  Which one are you - Oleg Khovayko, George Kikvadze or Alex Petrov? I have a feeling you're Bitfury. Am I right?