What to do with the wall observer thread?

[drbrockcoin]

How do I vote?

Vote for whichever option(s) is acceptable to you.

Keep in mind that if you vote for only one option, then you are giving all of the power of your vote to that one option; one other hand, if you vote for four items, then it would be as if you are voting against, the one item that you did not vote for..

Of course there are variations of how you could distribute your vote(s), but seems to be best just to consider which option(s) you believe are acceptable or most acceptable and vote accordingly.

I understand that, I mean where is the actual vote options. I dont see anywhere I can actually vote.. maybe Im being dumb

Maybe because I have a newbie account? I see the poll question and options at the top but there is no tick box or whatever for me to actually vote. Or is this voting system suppose to be like the US-style fake democracy where not everyones vote counts and voting can be restricted for minorities (non landlords) lol. Only joking. seriously though I dont know where I actually vote

[hilariousetc]

Newbies can't vote and it's to stop abuse because people would bot the results. Think of yourself as a minor and you're not old enough to vote yet.

[edgar]

Your alternative option of leaving the thread and having mods police it seems to be the exact reason why Theymos and/or mods locked the thread because that is what they had been doing for about a year or so, and they do not want to continue doing that.

Yep, I re-re-read the choices and see option 1 is that option. Edited my post accordingly, still resisting urge to start posting stupid things here. I have a choo choo train image.....

Don't do it... or next thing we will have roach complaining why silver and gold are not choices in the poll... and what's worse, trying to convince theymos those are way better choices and the current ones are stupid and won't go anywhere. If that happens we can kiss goodbye our beloved Wall Observer.

pmsl

[JayJuanGee]

How do I vote?

Vote for whichever option(s) is acceptable to you.

Keep in mind that if you vote for only one option, then you are giving all of the power of your vote to that one option; one other hand, if you vote for four items, then it would be as if you are voting against, the one item that you did not vote for..

Of course there are variations of how you could distribute your vote(s), but seems to be best just to consider which option(s) you believe are acceptable or most acceptable and vote accordingly.

I understand that, I mean where is the actual vote options. I dont see anywhere I can actually vote.. maybe Im being dumb

Maybe because I have a newbie account? I see the poll question and options at the top but there is no tick box or whatever for me to actually vote. Or is this voting system suppose to be like the US-style fake democracy where not everyones vote counts and voting can be restricted for minorities (non landlords) lol. Only joking. seriously though I dont know where I actually vote

Sorry.  I misunderstood.  You are probably correct that the voting requires you to be at least a Junior member or something like that.  

Otherwise, the voting option would have shown up at the top of the page when you first arrived at the page, and then once you vote, the top of the page then gives you the option to cancel your vote "remove vote," if you so chose.


PS:  Maybe you should go spam all around the forum, and hope that such spamming activities causes you to rank-up before the voting deadline on July 2... hahahahaha.... These mods have been ruthless lately.. so maybe I am going to get in trouble for such attempts at bad influencing?

[kurious]

Seems a number of forks already exist - fighting for the crowd.

I will delete my election suggestion - was probably daft anyway, I should have realised a fork was inevitable.

Ho hum!

[drbrockcoin]

How do I vote?

Vote for whichever option(s) is acceptable to you.

Keep in mind that if you vote for only one option, then you are giving all of the power of your vote to that one option; one other hand, if you vote for four items, then it would be as if you are voting against, the one item that you did not vote for..

Of course there are variations of how you could distribute your vote(s), but seems to be best just to consider which option(s) you believe are acceptable or most acceptable and vote accordingly.

I understand that, I mean where is the actual vote options. I dont see anywhere I can actually vote.. maybe Im being dumb

Maybe because I have a newbie account? I see the poll question and options at the top but there is no tick box or whatever for me to actually vote. Or is this voting system suppose to be like the US-style fake democracy where not everyones vote counts and voting can be restricted for minorities (non landlords) lol. Only joking. seriously though I dont know where I actually vote

Sorry.  I misunderstood.  You are probably correct that the voting requires you to be at least a Junior member or something like that. 

Otherwise, the voting option would have shown up at the top of the page when you first arrived at the page, and then once you vote, the top of the page then gives you the option to cancel your vote "remove vote," if you so chose.


PS:  Maybe you should go spam all around the forum, and hope that such spamming activities causes you to rank-up before the voting deadline on July 2... hahahahaha.... These mods have been ruthless lately.. so maybe I am going to get in trouble for such attempts at bad influencing?

haha ok thanks for clarification. Its ok, I never voted in my life so why start now right? Ill just join the largest fork when its been decided

[marcus_of_augustus]

The wall observer thread has been absolute fucking garbage dump for years.  I really don't understand why you care all of a sudden.  Just let it be the shithole it has grown to be.

That would be like ignoring the bitcoin cancer. Why do you think the trolls, haters and FUDsters are incentivised to turn it into a shithole?

Bitcoin has many enemies, the WO has become a natural focus for social media attacks on bitcoin.

[yermom]

Hello people

Long time lurker here. Just came to say that I appreciate so much your hard work guys. Most of the members in this thread (and WO of course) are doing a great job spreading the word, the truth!   You've taugh me a lot
Just registered a couple of days ago bc I saw the thread going nuts and wanted to say thanks to the honest people, mods included, that support it.
And I realized it was locked.

I cannot vote but I trust you'll know how to handle this situation

Let's make the humanity great again!! lol

[Globb0]

Agree the thread is a barometer.

Will vote now.

Thanks

[kurious]

If it is indeed option 1, then shouldn't we have a say in who it is?

It won't be any good if its a divisive character. 

[Mongwapogi]

Chat section would be interesting. Why not all in the poll will not implemented?

[Muhammed Zakir]

If it is indeed option 1, then shouldn't we have a say in who it is?

It won't be any good if its a divisive character. 

I think theymos will transfer ownership to someone active in WO thread and you will also have a say in who should be it transferred to.

Chat section would be interesting. Why not all in the poll will not implemented?

You mean adding "all of the above" option in poll? Why would you want it? That would be conflicting!

Edit: Or do you mean to implement everything listed in the poll? That would also be conflicting! Just read options and you will understand! Why ask such obvious questions?

[hilariousandco]

The Wall Observer is now owned by the forum. The listed owner is responsible for maintaining it. If the owner fails to maintain it (ie. I start getting too many complaints), then they will be replaced.

Having some regular user do it will just become too much for them (and then there's the issue of what they choose to remove or not and cries of censorship). Just assign some mods to the Speculation section since it doesn't have any mods at all or promote another Global. If that board has some specific mods they can probably keep on top of it.

The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:

- Off-topicness (in relation to either Speculation or the topic itself).

Still don't understand why we should allow off topic postings. If people want to talk about something that isn't related to the wall charts then they can do it in any of the other relevant threads in Speculation.

- Double-posting etc., within reason.

I don't see any good reason why it should be allowed in there.

Signatures won't show up in the thread anymore.

If it still counts towards post-count/activity removing signatures wont do much. People might even try exploit it by spamming in there (especially if we allow double posting).

[yefi]

The Wall Observer is now owned by the forum. [...]

Nice. Will change my vote and approve of option 1 now.

[theymos]

Having some regular user do it will just become too much for them (and then there's the issue of what they choose to remove or not and cries of censorship). Just assign some mods to the Speculation section since it doesn't have any mods at all or promote another Global. If that board has some specific mods they can probably keep on top of it.

Official forum staff are bound by policies and a certain culture. I think that the WO people want some autonomy.

The thread is exempt from the following rules from the perspective of bitcointalk.org mods:

- Off-topicness (in relation to either Speculation or the topic itself).

Still don't understand why we should allow off topic postings. If people want to talk about something that isn't related to the wall charts then they can do it in any of the other relevant threads in Speculation.

- Double-posting etc., within reason.

I don't see any good reason why it should be allowed in there.

The point is to minimize what bitcointalk.org mods have to look at there.

If it still counts towards post-count/activity removing signatures wont do much. People might even try exploit it by spamming in there (especially if we allow double posting).

It doesn't make rational sense for sig campaigns to pay for posts there, since posters there won't actually be advertising anything. (Maybe they're insufficiently rational, I'm not sure...)

I don't view activity farming as a big deal since you can only get 1 point/day regardless.

It probably would be better to prevent post counts from increasing there, but I can't easily do that without putting it in a dedicated section.

[JayJuanGee]

It doesn't make rational sense for sig campaigns to pay for posts there, since posters there won't actually be advertising anything. (Maybe they're insufficiently rational, I'm not sure...)

I appreciate your describing your rationale, and even your willingness to reconsider your original decision of locking the thread.

Regarding the sig campaign matter:

Maybe you conclude that I am biased because I have been using a sig campaign for nearly 2 years, but my signature campaign does not really affect the quantity or quality of my posts.. the reason is that I easily post above the monthly pay limit of the campaign, and I was posting about the same quantity and quality before I began participating in the sig campaign.

Personally, even though you frequently  hear people complaining about signature campaigns and sig campaign spammers, I really doubt that is the thrust of any kind of trolling or spamming problem in the wall observer thread.

Like Marcus_de_augustus argued earlier, the large majority of problem in the WO thread comes from newbie corporate shill type accounts that are coming in to derail the topic and to talk about bullshit in order to spread Bitcoin FUD, pump alts or just go all over the place with non-topical distractions.  

Sure, several of the participants in the thread have built some thick skin and tolerance to these kinds of trolls, but my point is that that kind of troll has historically been the main nuisance in the thread, rather than supposed sig campaign motivations - which seems to be a mostly non-evidentiary allegation that some members are just either ideologically opposed to sig campaigns or just don't like the fact tha some members (including myself) are getting paid for their posts (up to a certain amount until reaching the pay limit of the sig campaign).  

In other words, I think that that turning sig campaigns off in the thread is just punishing sig campaign participants without any real justification because there is hardly any evidence that they are the trolling problem.. at least historically in that particular thread.

[empowering]

Don't kill the thread.... it is way too much fun the way it is- and besides there is the whole rest of the forum for everything else... this is an old timers thread - and its got history man!

Everyone knows what they are getting with this thread - and if they don't then they soon do.

Where is Adam anyways?

[empowering]

ps... what is the most popular thread on this site?

[BlindMayorBitcorn]

Don't kill the thread.... it is way too much fun the way it is- and besides there is the whole rest of the forum for everything else... this is an old timers thread - and its got history man!

Everyone knows what they are getting with this thread - and if they don't then they soon do.

Where is Adam anyways?

Adam went full big blocks and bounced to that other forum.

As an aside, I suggest we give moderation authority to your monkey.

[kurious]

ps... what is the most popular thread on this site?

+1

Theymos does want it to continue - just not be a pain in the ass he needs to get monitored all the time.

We need to take it on, to save him the trouble.

So maybe we elect a new Adam, who gets to dep some modding duties out (it's too much for one person).  But the 'mod' term is fixed, so at least we get a say and don't get totalitarian rule.