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May 13, 2013, 07:17:25 AM
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FOR US ASSEMBLY PLEASE SEE - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=203388.0


You pay only the deposit now, the rest when boards are complete
Please read the sites t&c's
http://www.evilminers.net


Any queries, concerns etc, please post, I will answer quickly

Proposed things to come on the site :-
Expanding to include k1 and k64 (after batch 1)
Expanding to include ArdulonMiner Shield (sample chip being sent to developer)
Expanding to include complete boards (inc chips) (when I can get a local supply)
Expanding to allow payments via chips (board price drops with chip donation) (after batch 1)


UPDATE - 17 June
Well logo failed to arrive....but im opening the site up
http://www.evilminers.net

UPDATE - 13 June
Ok Im setting up a website for the ordering process...
I need 100 boards min for first run.

Im going to be doing this with paypal, and im not taking full payment UNTIL boards are built.
Im going to say the boards will cost 60£, so ill be asking for 6£/board as a deposit.
This deposit will be non refundable, and will go to tooling and buying in the heatsinks

This is not the final price...but its close I feel...
So stand by for next update, announcing site Cheesy

UPDATE - 11 June
Got another quote, again ex vat, ex heatsink, ex p&p

NON-RECURRING :
PCB Tooling                              180
SMT Screen                              220
Pick & Place Program                 188.64

Recurring
Setup and de-kit per run          238.35


10   x  Klondike 16 ASIC Miner Pcb           66.12 ea
100 x  Klondike 16 ASIC Miner Pcb           37.36 ea
200 x  Klondike 16 ASIC Miner Pcb           34.69 ea

 

UPDATE - 5 June
I have a decent quote at last..
Tooling 520gbp

boards - 1  - 168.50 ea
             10 - 59.49 ea
             100 - 43.20 ea

These are in gbp, not inc vat...and of course is subject to change, this does include all parts, but not the heatsink or the asic chips (obviously)

As the price of the boards is lower on the first 100, I suggest the tooling costs etc will be balanced into the costs, meaning the boards will be priced at the following :-
71.39 gbp (inc vat) + heatsink price + postage price
this equals 109.63 usd or 83.74 euro

The boards do need a firmware flashing, but I will sort this as part of my profits, and as stated a % of these profits will goto bkk for the design.

I have requests for quotes out for the heatsinks too Wink


UPDATE - 4 June
Arrow technical is out, too expnsive....

850 gbp tooling, then around 200gbp a board

UPDATE - 3 June
Icon wont do a run of anything less than a batch of 50 boards....
Im getting a quote from them for these runs, but after initial run, I doubt I can use them long term.

Ive rang another today, called Anode, and have another 3 requests outstanding....
There is one left out atm, so still got wiggle room, within my area Cheesy

Ive also contacted 2 more, slightly further afield but close to were I work rather than were I live Cheesy


UPDATE - 31 May
Well good news bad news.....
GSPK and a few others have declined production, due to not having a pick n place machine able to do 0402 components, meaning over 200 parts would have to be hand placed...
GSPK hope they will have the ability in a few months, but cant quote on the board or the lead time for the machine.....
but
They have passed on the info to another local company, that I didnt know about, called icon, who do have an 0402 capable pick n place...
Ill also be ringing up a few other places around me today, Im just going a little further out for delivery, but this wont affect you guys Cheesy
Im still working on this, and still have good hopes that everything will come off ok...

now onto the good news...
bkk has said in his klondike thread (for those not following it) that a k16 will be able to be under populated, as long as chips are in even numbers...
This means a k16 can be used for anything from 2 chips up, so you guys can get your spare chips mounted and hashing...
I feel there is an opportunity here to add chips at a later date, ie send board and chips back in, reflow the chips in place, send back....allowing for greater flexibility in expansion later.

Ill post more when I have more info

UPDATE - 24 May
Chasing down quotes...sadly due to personal circumstances progress got delayed
The quote at gspk has been handed off to gspk design, this also means I maybe be able to get solder mask from them, if I decide to bring this in house at a later date.

UPDATE - 15 May
Been onto another company (quick-teck) for pcb and assembly price...

This breaks down roughly to -
46.45£ (assembly) + 20£ pcb and parts meaning around 65£ each

or 76.48Euro
or 98.96usd

Bear in mind this is purely ball park figures atm
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May 13, 2013, 07:17:35 AM
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Current board count shown interest
150+

Some ppl have not said how many boards or chip their getting, so their not included in the number.
This currently represents 1216+ chips

This number is of course tentative, and subject to change


During the 24Hr test phase Ill also be setting a % of btc from this to goto BKK for developing the board, this is as a thankyou from us to him Cheesy
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May 13, 2013, 07:21:30 AM
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What about invoicing, VAT and using my own shipping account, for ex. ?
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May 13, 2013, 07:25:05 AM
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I can issue invoices.

Prices will include the vat, as Im not vat registered atm.
I can supply copies of gspk invoices if required for your board production.

You may use your own shipping if you wish
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May 13, 2013, 07:28:12 AM
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Interested
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May 13, 2013, 08:20:08 PM
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Where are you located? I would like to add you to my dev-list (see my sig) but need a bit data. Let me know once you have the prices. Though i will watch this thread from now.

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May 16, 2013, 01:53:16 AM
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do you work together with someone selling chips to ?
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May 16, 2013, 01:57:08 AM
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not currently...

I suspect when chips are actually released, someone will be selling them in smaller numbers, but atm, can only get from the batch orders....
There is a batch buy on atm, if you havnt got chips yet
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May 16, 2013, 11:47:02 AM
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Interested in this but sadly unless someone does have the chips easily in the UK then I'm kind of screwed
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May 16, 2013, 11:49:37 AM
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Interested, although ditto above

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May 16, 2013, 12:00:18 PM
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join the group buy :-
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192916.0;topicseen

I suspect some have bought many chips to resell at profit in smaller batches...
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May 16, 2013, 12:05:32 PM
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do you work together with someone selling chips to ?

I agree someone needs to do UK finished boards! Seems so odd buying components and sending them off to be affixed to boards - you could make more of a markup and have wayyyyy more customers if you just got some chips! Less responsibility with collecting them in the post, keeping track of who's is who's etc.
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May 16, 2013, 12:09:27 PM
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I thought about it, and tbh if I had the spare gbp I poss would, but I dont....
You need upfront capital to invest in getting complete boards to market....


but then if I had the spare gbp, id setup my own pcb assembly line..
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May 16, 2013, 01:35:09 PM
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Potentially interested - I'm still researching this and not up to speed on the specifics, but if I had chips then I'd send them to you to put them onto your boards, then they would be ready for mining right? Or would there be something else that needs doing before they are mine-able?
Where are you located by the way? I'm 30 minutes NW of Birmingham.

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Potentially interested - I'm still researching this and not up to speed on the specifics, but if I had chips then I'd send them to you to put them onto your boards, then they would be ready for mining right? Or would there be something else that needs doing before they are mine-able?
Where are you located by the way? I'm 30 minutes NW of Birmingham.

Well you need a computer to connect the board to I believe unless I'm wrong
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Potentially interested - I'm still researching this and not up to speed on the specifics, but if I had chips then I'd send them to you to put them onto your boards, then they would be ready for mining right? Or would there be something else that needs doing before they are mine-able?
Where are you located by the way? I'm 30 minutes NW of Birmingham.

Afro25, I'd take the time to swot up more on the specifics, because aside a computer to link them to (or a rasberry pi, running a lightweight Linux as quite a few probably will) and of course your chosen means of cooling and how you intend to house the boards, especially if you own pets with loose hair and static. There's also going to be a fair amount of tinkering with mining software and not a huge amount of support when/if hardware fails until people have worked through complications as and when they arise first hand. Such is to be expected with anything DIY, let alone emerging tech and DIY...

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bitcoinorama is correct, there are other bits n bats to think about, but as far as the boards go
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but if I had chips then I'd send them to you to put them onto your boards, then they would be ready for mining right?

to answer that :-
You will need to sort software, and housing for the boards
You will need to sort heat sink and fans for the boards (ill be looking into supplying them)
You will need to sort a PSU for the boards
You will need a USB lead

but this is similar to how fpga boards arrive....no fan, no case, no psu...and I see these as just an extension of these
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bitcoinorama is correct, there are other bits n bats to think about, but as far as the boards go
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but if I had chips then I'd send them to you to put them onto your boards, then they would be ready for mining right?

to answer that :-
You will need to sort software, and housing for the boards
You will need to sort heat sink and fans for the boards (ill be looking into supplying them)
You will need to sort a PSU for the boards
You will need a USB lead

but this is similar to how fpga boards arrive....no fan, no case, no psu...and I see these as just an extension of these


It's a shame no one made a kind of medium sized board that would  have wholes for a PCI back plate so you can basically get a load of them and place them in typical ATX case at the same time probably just building in a cheap atom motherboard for managing them probably about as low powered as you'll get without having more unreliable builds anyways
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May 16, 2013, 07:59:18 PM
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Hey.
Where are you based? And what country would I have to send the chips to?
If in the Uk, where in the UK?

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May 16, 2013, 08:50:28 PM
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Hey.
Where are you based? And what country would I have to send the chips to?
If in the Uk, where in the UK?

I'm hazarding a guess as his sig. states; "Yorkshire man....nuff said", that he's based in...

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