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February 18, 2016, 07:36:11 AM
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First impression when I tried this a few days ago. Min to tray rather than taskbar doesn't seem to work on win10. Looked at the address generator code, perhaps clicked on a combo box thinking why a combo box? crash......
Several days later, still rebuilding index on an SDD write cached HDD, with no indication of progress. Looks like I would be better reinstalling it.
How did you perform the upgrade? which version exactly did you use before?
thanks!

2.0.1 -> 2.0.2. Run as administrator. Program installed in Program Files/Worldcoin and blockchain stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin. Upgrade using wallet upgrade feature, advanced options. Note: finish button of upgrade program did not appear to work, so was closed using 'x'.
This is the problem, as explained in release notes you should not install on privileged folders. The reason is that we continuously write with logs and settings in the same folder so you would need admin privileges to run the software. We designed this way so it would be very easy to have portable wallets (for example a USB that can be used as semi cold wallet and connect only when a transaction is required)

Please install it on a regular folder Smiley

Maybe the log files and other settings you talk about should be stored in the %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin folder that I have configured. How would this system work in a multi user environment?

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
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February 18, 2016, 07:54:50 AM
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First impression when I tried this a few days ago. Min to tray rather than taskbar doesn't seem to work on win10. Looked at the address generator code, perhaps clicked on a combo box thinking why a combo box? crash......
Several days later, still rebuilding index on an SDD write cached HDD, with no indication of progress. Looks like I would be better reinstalling it.
How did you perform the upgrade? which version exactly did you use before?
thanks!

2.0.1 -> 2.0.2. Run as administrator. Program installed in Program Files/Worldcoin and blockchain stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin. Upgrade using wallet upgrade feature, advanced options. Note: finish button of upgrade program did not appear to work, so was closed using 'x'.
This is the problem, as explained in release notes you should not install on privileged folders. The reason is that we continuously write with logs and settings in the same folder so you would need admin privileges to run the software. We designed this way so it would be very easy to have portable wallets (for example a USB that can be used as semi cold wallet and connect only when a transaction is required)

Please install it on a regular folder Smiley

Maybe the log files and other settings you talk about should be stored in the %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin folder that I have configured. How would this system work in a multi user environment?

The problem is there already because unless you have many chain folders (one for each user) you share your wallet.dat anyway, on the other hand logs never store sensible information like keys or passwords so it can be used by many users without problem.
As you see putting log files in different folders won't help to solve that problem anyway.
Another reason is that portability to other platforms  is a lot easier to achieve.
Having said that let's analyze this and debate it further, we are not close to do any necessary changes that we encounter in the road Smiley
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February 18, 2016, 08:11:10 AM
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First impression when I tried this a few days ago. Min to tray rather than taskbar doesn't seem to work on win10. Looked at the address generator code, perhaps clicked on a combo box thinking why a combo box? crash......
Several days later, still rebuilding index on an SDD write cached HDD, with no indication of progress. Looks like I would be better reinstalling it.
How did you perform the upgrade? which version exactly did you use before?
thanks!

2.0.1 -> 2.0.2. Run as administrator. Program installed in Program Files/Worldcoin and blockchain stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin. Upgrade using wallet upgrade feature, advanced options. Note: finish button of upgrade program did not appear to work, so was closed using 'x'.
This is the problem, as explained in release notes you should not install on privileged folders. The reason is that we continuously write with logs and settings in the same folder so you would need admin privileges to run the software. We designed this way so it would be very easy to have portable wallets (for example a USB that can be used as semi cold wallet and connect only when a transaction is required)

Please install it on a regular folder Smiley

Maybe the log files and other settings you talk about should be stored in the %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin folder that I have configured. How would this system work in a multi user environment?

The problem is there already because unless you have many chain folders (one for each user) you share your wallet.dat anyway, on the other hand logs never store sensible information like keys or passwords so it can be used by many users without problem.
As you see putting log files in different folders won't help to solve that problem anyway.
Another reason is that portability to other platforms  is a lot easier to achieve.
Having said that let's analyze this and debate it further, we are not close to do any necessary changes that we encounter in the road Smiley

So in my case, is the wallet.dat file being stored in the program files folder or the %APPDATA% folder? I thought it was in the latter? (the %APPDATA% folder being user specific).

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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February 18, 2016, 08:16:25 AM
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Also, if each user is running a WBC app, would their be a conflict with the log file? Wouldn't they want their own settings?

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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February 18, 2016, 08:18:54 AM
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First impression when I tried this a few days ago. Min to tray rather than taskbar doesn't seem to work on win10. Looked at the address generator code, perhaps clicked on a combo box thinking why a combo box? crash......
Several days later, still rebuilding index on an SDD write cached HDD, with no indication of progress. Looks like I would be better reinstalling it.
How did you perform the upgrade? which version exactly did you use before?
thanks!

2.0.1 -> 2.0.2. Run as administrator. Program installed in Program Files/Worldcoin and blockchain stored in %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin. Upgrade using wallet upgrade feature, advanced options. Note: finish button of upgrade program did not appear to work, so was closed using 'x'.
This is the problem, as explained in release notes you should not install on privileged folders. The reason is that we continuously write with logs and settings in the same folder so you would need admin privileges to run the software. We designed this way so it would be very easy to have portable wallets (for example a USB that can be used as semi cold wallet and connect only when a transaction is required)

Please install it on a regular folder Smiley

Maybe the log files and other settings you talk about should be stored in the %APPDATA%/roaming/Worldcoin folder that I have configured. How would this system work in a multi user environment?

The problem is there already because unless you have many chain folders (one for each user) you share your wallet.dat anyway, on the other hand logs never store sensible information like keys or passwords so it can be used by many users without problem.
As you see putting log files in different folders won't help to solve that problem anyway.
Another reason is that portability to other platforms  is a lot easier to achieve.
Having said that let's analyze this and debate it further, we are not close to do any necessary changes that we encounter in the road Smiley

So in my case, is the wallet.dat file being stored in the program files folder or the %APPDATA% folder? I thought it was in the latter? (the %APPDATA% folder being user specific).
It is in the folder where you have chosen for the installer to download the block chain. If you don't remember/know, enter your wallet and open the component Daemon Settings -> Data directory

 
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February 18, 2016, 08:25:32 AM
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Also, if each user is running a WBC app, would their be a conflict with the log file? Wouldn't they want their own settings?

Log files are more useful to us that for our users, we use them  for support. But if you would like to have different logs for each user, the recommended option is to copy WBC folder to another place, one for each user.
Don't forget to edit the option in Daemon Settings -> Data directory to tell the wallet where the wallet.dat file  for each user(folder) is located.
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February 18, 2016, 08:30:15 AM
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Keep in mind that having multiple wallets for different users in the same machine is not recommended for any coin, although we understand that in practice there is one family computer, so we decided that the best trade off could be to have one computer and for example  one USB for each family member, with its own wallet.dat and if necessary it's own WBC folder (for separate logs)
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February 18, 2016, 08:30:55 AM
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It is in the folder where you have chosen for the installer to download the block chain. If you don't remember/know, enter your wallet and open the component Daemon Settings -> Data directory

I chose to put it in the user specific %APPDATA/Roaming/Worldcoin folder, like all other core wallets. Unfortunately, if I remember correctly, this gets stored in a config file in the program files folder. It my user profile becomes corrupt (a common occurrence during early win 10 release), I simply move my wallet folders from one users folder to the other and all other wallets work. I think for WDC I then have to remember to change the config in program files, so I'm not sure this app supports multiple users very well unless they store their app in their own folder.
By default, WDC put the blockchain in the user folder. I didn't want the blockchain clogging up my cloud user backup space.
My memory might be a bit sketchy though.

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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February 18, 2016, 08:33:57 AM
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Keep in mind that having multiple wallets for different users in the same machine is not recommended for any coin.

The reason being? Unfortunately it does mean multiple block chains, but I haven't tried it yet.

EDIT: Perhaps an incoming port conflict?

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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February 18, 2016, 08:42:04 AM
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Keep in mind that having multiple wallets for different users in the same machine is not recommended for any coin.

The reason being? Unfortunately it does mean multiple block chains, but I haven't tried it yet.

EDIT: Perhaps an incoming port conflict?
Port conflict only if many wallets tries to be run at the same time, the main reason is that wallet.dat should only be accessible by you and you only, if your PC is multiuser you can't know if all your family members are really being cautious on not openeing a malware that could steal your wallet.day and your coins.
Besides other coins are exactly in the same position as our because you would need to install many folders too and each folder detailing where exactly the wallet.dat file for each family member resides, our advantage is that we can put whole wallet and chain in a external device
This way the wallet.dat file could be located in each USB that belong to each family member
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February 18, 2016, 08:45:26 AM
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Small news updates http://worldcoin.global/wednesday-17-update/
Popularity on the rise!
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February 18, 2016, 09:00:08 AM
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Besides other coins are exactly in the same position as our because you would need to install many folders too and each folder detailing where exactly the wallet.dat file for each family member resides, our advantage is that we can put whole wallet and chain in a external device

I think most windows coin wallets have a registry setting pointing to the %APPDATA% folder, or others are hard coded to reside there. So I'm not sure there is an issue there. The conf file resides there too.

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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February 18, 2016, 09:25:26 AM
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Yeah that could work, we would not really like to use native installer options so porting is easier, but we will do it if demand is enough Smiley
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February 18, 2016, 09:58:44 AM
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Yeah that could work, we would not really like to use native installer options so porting is easier, but we will do it if demand is enough Smiley

What language is WDC BC built on? With a bit of creative thinking it would probably just require a few simple compiler code switches depending on O/S. Not really ideal as I agree with platform independent coding, but if WDC really takes off, you are going to have a lot of simple windows users.

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
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February 18, 2016, 10:13:01 AM
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It is done in C++, Qt, with QML (For scripting , components and theme engine)

Yeah maybe you are right, but probably we will delay a little htis implementation because we have very exiting features in the queue. But once we gain traction then probably people will ask for this and we will do it Smiley
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February 18, 2016, 10:35:03 AM
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It is done in C++, Qt, with QML (For scripting , components and theme engine)

Yeah maybe you are right, but probably we will delay a little htis implementation because we have very exiting features in the queue. But once we gain traction then probably people will ask for this and we will do it Smiley

Cool. For now perhaps I am better installing WBC (program files) in my user directory? WBC still seems to be reindexing with no indication of process. Even bitcoin does not take that long (I tried raising a discussion about that in the projects forum, but it just seems that the bitcoin environment is just full of paranoia and governance issues, so probably best avoiding for now). At least with a reinstall I can download the block chain bootstrap again.

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
Do not allow demand to exceed capacity. Do not allow mempools to forget transactions. Relay all transactions. Eventually confirm all transactions.
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February 19, 2016, 01:19:09 PM
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It is done in C++, Qt, with QML (For scripting , components and theme engine)

Yeah maybe you are right, but probably we will delay a little htis implementation because we have very exiting features in the queue. But once we gain traction then probably people will ask for this and we will do it Smiley

Cool. For now perhaps I am better installing WBC (program files) in my user directory? WBC still seems to be reindexing with no indication of process. Even bitcoin does not take that long (I tried raising a discussion about that in the projects forum, but it just seems that the bitcoin environment is just full of paranoia and governance issues, so probably best avoiding for now). At least with a reinstall I can download the block chain bootstrap again.
Yeah happily we have a more sane environment and community Smiley. Can you try to install to c:\worldcoin just to test?
Also i fixed the bug of the tray, meanwhile you can access 'wallets settings' and re enable  the option and saving and it will work!
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February 26, 2016, 04:40:32 AM
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WDC update for Thursday 27th.

New web page news. Feedback required

http://worldcoin.global/thursday-25th-update/
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February 26, 2016, 08:37:51 AM
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It is done in C++, Qt, with QML (For scripting , components and theme engine)

Yeah maybe you are right, but probably we will delay a little htis implementation because we have very exiting features in the queue. But once we gain traction then probably people will ask for this and we will do it Smiley

Cool. For now perhaps I am better installing WBC (program files) in my user directory? WBC still seems to be reindexing with no indication of process. Even bitcoin does not take that long (I tried raising a discussion about that in the projects forum, but it just seems that the bitcoin environment is just full of paranoia and governance issues, so probably best avoiding for now). At least with a reinstall I can download the block chain bootstrap again.
Yeah happily we have a more sane environment and community Smiley. Can you try to install to c:\worldcoin just to test?
Also i fixed the bug of the tray, meanwhile you can access 'wallets settings' and re enable  the option and saving and it will work!

Ok, its minimise to tray on close. This does work. The functionality I would really like is minimise to tray instead of taskbar. Hope you can add this to the list of things to do.

Scaling and transaction rate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=532.msg6306#msg6306
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February 26, 2016, 09:26:58 AM
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WDC update for Thursday 27th.

New web page news. Feedback required

http://worldcoin.global/thursday-25th-update/
good news to add to this thread, cheers

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