I am against Bitcoin Cash and here is why

[dothebeats]

I'm not a BCC supporter and don't promote them in any way, but does that mean that even if a majority rules something decentralized, the minority couldn't present their own ideas and let the community decide? I know, it's just a stripped-down implementation with much of its code being copied from SegWit, but what they're exercising is voicing out their opinions and plans in re: scaling issue for bitcoin.

But seriously, why go for BCC unless you have other agenda in mind?

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[Xavofat]

What are u talking about at all? Who needs bitcoin if u need to wait hours on end for confirmation< there'll be no idiots to wait in coffeeshop till morning while your artificially congested like bloody toilet pipe network will spit off something. Bitcoin is dying and segwit is compared to sticking leeches to dying kranke, while he agonizing his last hours.

and that still doesn't explain why you don't make something from scratch like the rest of normal human beings.

It's quite clear why they're not starting from scratch.  It's because they want all Bitcoin holders to automatically have the opportunity to use their new coin if they want to spend with larger blocks.

I don't even think they'll succeed, but having that opportunity is not a problem.  It's not comparable to Presidents because BTC is not a government, it's the people, and people do not all do the same thing regardless of what you would like them to do.

Did you make the same complaint about UASF?

those who support BCC were the spammers themselves...

There's no evidence or reasoning behind this at all.  Tinfoil hat level stuff.

[iamTom123]

Why don`t Bitcoin Cash suporters create a brand new altcoin.(Somehting from scratch,like the OP said.)
They are using the name of Bitcoin to manipulate the newbies, who are not familiar with soft/hard forks.
Using the name "Bitcoin" gains some additional level of trust,which they don`t deserve.
Bitcoin Cash should be renamed to something different-Baitcoin,Betcoin or Batcoin...i don`t know.

It is becoming a big shame that a group of people prefer to create some havoc on Bitcoin and the Bitcoin community simply because they do not fully agree with the decision of the majority. No wonder many people are calling this as an attack -- an attack against the real Bitcoin and the small BTC holders we have around.

And they are even appropriating the name Bitcoin to their altcoin which can debut into the market soon. I am personally supporting Bitcoincash. It  would take a lot of convincing before I would go for BitcoinCash.

[Ekanenf]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

For me, I think that it is the perfect time for Nakamoto to show up to the world. And tell us that he is against this BCC, it is against on his work the bitcoin. Why they want to have a hard fork when they can refer to the original? The bitcoin. I am also against this actually. Our coins might be at high risk rather than bitcoin.

It is true that this is against Satoshi's reason why he made bitcoin. I don't know why they are keep on insisting this BCC thingy while bitcoin is perfectly working fine and it is better the way it is right now. There is no need for this kind of addition to bitcoin, we are contented that bitcoin is decentralized and don't have this BCC stuff.

[hv_]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?


So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...


They take it in their own hands


So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

[iram1011]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

So does the most of the community. BCC is most probably be dumped after 1st August. The fork wasn't needed anytime soon specially when the majority was happily supporting Segwit.

[feranenem12345]

1. The current Bitcoin protocol is Satoshi's vision and an increase in blocksize isn't against Satoshi's vision, but the question is, is it necessary at this point in time.

Prove.

[BrewMaster]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

i am going to give the same answer i gave to that throwaway account:
did you even read the topic! i doubt it.

and just FYI, i live in a third world country and compared to those imaginary Asians in your head is much poorer

[naughty1]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

So does the most of the community. BCC is most probably be dumped after 1st August. The fork wasn't needed anytime soon specially when the majority was happily supporting Segwit.

I think it will not fall, now it is carrying a very good value, I think it will have a stable step, it will be like the bitcoin child, but it is just adopted child. It can not carry the power of bitcoin.

[virasog]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

I just dont get one thing clear here that when everyone or atleast a majority agrees on BIP91 softfork and it is locked, then how it is possible that minority can still take their decision and start a hard fork. Will it impact the whole bitcoin or BCC will just be an altcoin ? Also if you see the price of BCC now at Viabtc (where is it available and exchanged), it has down by 50%, a 0.08 percent loss in its value, means people already rejecting BCC.

[izza123]

BCC is such a disappointment. A bunch of petulant children are angry that they arent getting their way yet so they think they can change the whole scene at the snap of their fingers. I hope it crashes and burns to 0 with a bullet.

[BrewMaster]

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I think it will not fall, now it is carrying a very good value, I think it will have a stable step,...

you need to do some research before making statements like this.
first thing you missed is that for the past 5 to 6 days that it was listed on an exchange the price has fallen about -30%
and this is all happening while the fork has not yet happened, in other words people don't even have their free BCC tokens!

[hv_]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

i am going to give the same answer i gave to that throwaway account:
did you even read the topic! i doubt it.

and just FYI, i live in a third world country and compared to those imaginary Asians in your head is much poorer

Sure, I did not say that there are not poorer regions.

I only say big number count. Asia has the biggest junk of poor people on earth.

No wonder that this is created there as a REACTION to rich-men shitty BScore politics full of hidden agendas and patents.

Eh?

[Cult]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?


So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...


They take it in their own hands


So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

Dude, bitcoin is not a charity, the protocol doesn't exist to help 'the poor', this is a technical issue and should be treated as such and solved amongst the experts, which are the Bitcoin Core developers.

[hv_]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?


So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...


They take it in their own hands


So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

Dude, bitcoin is not a charity, the protocol doesn't exist to help 'the poor', this is a technical issue and should be treated as such and solved amongst the experts, which are the Bitcoin Core developers.

Bitcoin is the world electronic internet of cash and about to be used by anybody, including the poor and the tech is there to do it right now!

So tell me a decent reason why it is protected by stupidity or agendas?

[northstarh]

BCC is such a disappointment. A bunch of petulant children are angry that they arent getting their way yet so they think they can change the whole scene at the snap of their fingers. I hope it crashes and burns to 0 with a bullet.

Absolutely agree, I feel hated BCC, I do not want it accepted, although it is currently carrying a good value. But compared to bitcoin, it is like a particle. It's just trying to sabotage bitcoin.

[franky1]

Dude, bitcoin is not a charity, the protocol doesn't exist to help 'the poor', this is a technical issue and should be treated as such and solved amongst the experts, which are the Bitcoin Core developers.

^ mindsets like this is where you give over your free will to dictators because you "trust" them purely because they MIGHT be better than a sheep.
its not about 'helping the poor' its about not letting certain cartel from restricting/ignoring/avoiding and prohibiting the poor from using it

[iqlimasyadiqa]

BCC is such a disappointment. A bunch of petulant children are angry that they arent getting their way yet so they think they can change the whole scene at the snap of their fingers. I hope it crashes and burns to 0 with a bullet.

I also hope the same thing. BCC will never exist, I'm afraid that BCC can disrupt a good bitcoin market share like this.
I do not want a nightmare like a bitcoin price reduction to happen.

[crypt0kid]

Great points! I think BCC is only about seizing power from the people and putting it into the hands of the greedy few. I hope people can look past their greed to see that this is a sham.

[DooMAD]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

Okay, and what would you like people to do with this information, exactly?  Smile and nod?  You can be opposed to whatever you like, but they're still perfectly entitled to do what they're doing.  I have no particular interest in BCC, but I won't abide people trying to tell others what software they can or can't freely choose to run.  You don't like Bitcoin Cash?  Great, don't run it.  That's about as far as your opposition goes, aside from expressing your dissatisfaction about it here on the internet, which doesn't carry a lot of weight.  

You seem to have some unique ideas about what consensus means, so I'll clarify that for you.  Firstly, just because the miners agreed on SegWit2x, that doesn't necessarily mean everyone did.  There are some people on these forums who like to make the argument that miners are the only important nodes, but I don't subscribe to that notion.  So it should be made quite clear that most non-mining nodes are not running the /btc1 code which the miners likely are.  It's far from a unanimous decision.  

Further to that point, even if 99% of the participants are running the same code (they aren't, but still), if you are part of the remaining 1% who doesn't agree with that code, no one can put a gun to your head and force you to run it.  Consensus doesn't mean you are required by some sort of law to follow along for the ride.  You are absolutely, 100%, completely free to fork away at any point you choose to.  That's your inalienable right in a permissionless environment.  You are therefore not in a position to deny that right to others.

Also, in case it wasn't obvious, consensus can only be achieved by actually running code.  Sure, it's unlikely consensus would ever result in BCC building the longest chain, but if they don't release the code to find out for sure, how would we ever know?  You can't preempt consensus.  It's not your call to make.  So just relax and let the chips fall where they may.

Lastly, as for why they don't make something from scratch, again, the answer is "permissionless" and "open source".  Try and stop them.  That's right, you can't.  They can do whatever they want, as can you.  I, for one, am more than a little tired of hearing about what everyone thinks Satoshi's vision is.  The only thing I can tell you is that Satoshi probably wasn't some tyrannical "thought-police" despotic type who likes telling people what to do.  Maybe everyone could incorporate a little more of that part of his vision and stop pretending to speak for them.