I am against Bitcoin Cash and here is why

[olubams]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

You are not the only one who is against BCC others are equally against it with some school of thought concluding its some set of people wanting to hijack bitcoin, aside that even some release by some exchange site was ''group of small developers'' which I see connotes something. All I can say is the outcome of BCC whether its going to be successful or not is going to be determined by the community. Those who believed in it have their utmost reasons why they are doing so and it then fall back to the issue of which side control the highest population with the highest volume of BTC.

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[cramcram21]

Yeah seems like there is no one who is in favor for BCC,
Seems that it would be just like a new alt-coin and no one is interested for it.

[hv_]

Dude, bitcoin is not a charity, the protocol doesn't exist to help 'the poor', this is a technical issue and should be treated as such and solved amongst the experts, which are the Bitcoin Core developers.

^ mindsets like this is where you give over your free will to dictators because you "trust" them purely because they MIGHT be better than a sheep.
its not about 'helping the poor' its about not letting certain cartel from restricting/ignoring/avoiding and prohibiting the poor from using it

I tried, but I could not have said it better.

The classical issue is that there are billions of sheeps, millions of wolfes and just a few Gandalfs for protection.  

But the biggest shit you can think of is, having a wolf sitting at the entrance core door of the safe home where all sheeps have to pass by...

[stupid_seb]

Yeah seems like there is no one who is in favor for BCC,
Seems that it would be just like a new alt-coin and no one is interested for it.

A new coin, created out of thin air, with a lot of hash power held "hostage"

It's a new form of ICO. The only mean of existence to BCC is that Bitmain will create massive amounts of money out of nothing.

BCC market cap is a heist.

[Rinaze]

Is there a chance for BCC developers / miners (and from what I understand this stands at 40%+ atm?) / supporters to dump all their BTC and buy back their BCC? If they do that (which I highly doubt so) I think there's a high chance of swaying the majority community. It's an all out war though if this happens!

[crazyivan]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

Exactly. Majority of us here are against it and for sure that this altcoin won't survive or would be irrelevant in the future. They just want to disrupt and cause commotion in the market and I think they will not succeed because its plain and simple: They are all greedy and just want to gain profit out of bitcoin's name. I hope that newbies will not fall for this and realize that this is a trap so better exit early and stick with bitcoin only.

YES! This is +1

Not only they re greedy fucks trying to make money on this reinventing BTC, they re trying to disrupt the entire crypto. Imagine where would cryptocurrency be if BTC immutability would be destroyed and some fucker would be able to fork BTC and gets accepted by the market as the new BTC every time they want. No trust, no crypto.

So, just dump that shit as soon as you get it and never touch BCC again.

[Bitforking]

seems this is the very weakness if Bitcoin, that it allows change and not able to stop self distruction.

all the goodies of BTC that is out of touch of any authorities, is now destroyed by its creators.

that is why the world have dictators

[erep]

It doesnt matter what we are supporting. No coin can replace Bitcoin, even if the great Satoshi Nakamoto comes and order everyone to leave Bitcoin then also I would say majority of the people will be standing with Bitcoin. Its just free money guys, claim them and sell them for more Bitcoins. 

[Arindava]

Bitcoin Unlimited tried it and now Bitcoin Cash.
It seems like they are loving to use the name for a different purpose.
A high popularity bitcoin is being tried to be cloned and yet no one succeeded.
This will just have the same faith as how the BU ends up.
Trying to somehow pull some users is a good strategy. But they will be back.

Back to bitcoin you mean ?? Yes now there are many many new designations for bitcoin whether it is BU or BCC but I am sure all will go back to bitcoin, I agree with you ..

[Kwelstr]

I have created a poll to see how the community views the fork and the future of bitcoin. Please answer the poll so we can have a statistically significant number of responses.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2048167.0;all

I am trying to be fair on that poll and included as many answers as I could think of. I will keep the poll open until a couple of hours before the Aug 1st fork. Let's see if the wisdom of the forum is indicative of how it will turn out.

Thank you for participating.

[JohnMacaron]

Go fork yourselves Bitcoin Cash unbelievers. We Shall Prevail!

[pooya87]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?


So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...


They take it in their own hands


So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

if you think increasing the block size is going to make the transactions cheap and keep them that way then you are the "sheep".

no my friend. you may have a short period of fun and cheap transactions before mining cartel decides they are missing out on profit.
the first thing they will do is to change their minRelayTxFee to a higher number in their own modified code and start rejecting any transaction that is "cheap" to force the fees to go up.
next thing they will do is to spam attack the chain like they (or anybody else who were doing it and just taught everyone how to successfully do it) have been doing in the past 6 months to force the fees to go up.

and do you honestly think the mining cartel is going to give up the (12.5+fees) * $2700 and rising and go for (12.5+ cheap to no fees) * $100

wake up

[Yakamoto]

BCC is just adding to the mass autism that is the crypto market and is essentially proving why a truly decentralized platform is completely impossible to work with if there is not a completely aligned vision for the project. It's a mass of people who simply don't want to go along with the hashing power, namely the primary portion of the network, just because they don't want to, when they have a full right to get involved and have their own voice to be heard. If they really cared about the project then they would have their own hashing power and be participating in the decision-making process, but instead they just follow along with whatever the contrarian thing is because they're either in it solely for money, or they are uninterested with actually making themselves part of the project.

[hajimasan]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

Here if you can see the moment in the Etherium fork that happened in the last year back , where the majority were in the opposition of the decision to make new coin as ETH and real coin to ETC . But still they made the same that what they declare in the starting .
Now a big factor is that what will happen here , it btc will BCC of BCC will be named as BTC .
Here personally I don't like this decision ( if made by the team of this experiment ) .
Here it will be more better to remain the bitcoin only bitcoin and new coin should be at his own place .
Every coin has own value and we are happy with bitcoin and if we would like BCC then we will collect them .But still I think happen will be according to minority that thought to make , and here may be happen same regardless of the majority and minority of the support network .
We'll wait for the result until everything happened perfectly .

[The One]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

For me, I think that it is the perfect time for Nakamoto to show up to the world. And tell us that he is against this BCC, it is against on his work the bitcoin. Why they want to have a hard fork when they can refer to the original? The bitcoin. I am also against this actually. Our coins might be at high risk rather than bitcoin.

Does bitcoin core follows Satoshi's whitepaper? NO.
Does bitcoin cash follows Satoshi's whitepaper? Yes.

[Oo ako to]

Yeah seems like there is no one who is in favor for BCC,
Seems that it would be just like a new alt-coin and no one is interested for it.

I have seen many exchanges that are not in favor and will not support bitcoincash. I do agree that this will make a major confusion in the future. It's not just going to split  the bitcoin but also the community.

[Sniper150]

bcc will be meaningless altcoin, don't waste time on it 

Why are you saying it is meaningless altcoin? I don't get your point here. Well, thank for this information, now I know the meaning of BCC. If the question is about against about bitcoin cash, then my answer is nope, because if ever that the bitcoin would become a cash, for me it is ok because from that point you can hold your own bitcoin and you are 100% sure that your bitcoin is safe by your hand unlike in an online wallet that is prone to hack by the hackers. With this, we can feel the fruit of our hardwork.

[Bitforking]

Yeah seems like there is no one who is in favor for BCC,
Seems that it would be just like a new alt-coin and no one is interested for it.

I have seen many exchanges that are not in favor and will not support bitcoincash. I do agree that this will make a major confusion in the future. It's not just going to split  the bitcoin but also the community.

sounds like exchanges can make decisions on whether to decentralise bitcoin after forking, it also sounds like a political decision so the miners who has less capacity could share with Jihan's machines. a bit communist to me.

the reason behind the forking is so obvious and it is against powerful miners, and who eventually control more coins.

'does not respect' ? my ass!

[Joohansson]

Exchanges are using BCH for bitcoin cash, not BCC as it is already taken by BitConnectCoin (https://bitconnectcoin.co/).
Please start using BCH, using BCC is retarded and confusing!

[Viscoat]

This post is worth reading if you have any doubt that bcc is a fraud.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2050936.0

I think there is little difference between BCC and other altcoin. So it is just a new coin with many existing users. So it is not a fraud.