I am against Bitcoin Cash and here is why

[25hashcoin]

You don't understand bitcoin. The market will decide.

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[BitcoinerXX]

You don't understand bitcoin. The market will decide.

the market will decide its another scamcoin soon. people will be scrambling to dump their bcc trash to buy more btc gold.

[bobitza]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

For me, I think that it is the perfect time for Nakamoto to show up to the world. And tell us that he is against this BCC, it is against on his work the bitcoin. Why they want to have a hard fork when they can refer to the original? The bitcoin. I am also against this actually. Our coins might be at high risk rather than bitcoin.

He will never appear, it's just a fake name, which was fabricated to hide the true identity of the bitcoin maker.

[hv_]

Maybe YOU guys don't need it, because YOU are rich compared to the poor billions living mostly in Asia.

They just cannot affort the tx fees.

SW will not help, at least not in a sudden and not really much.

2x will help quickly, but only if done quickly...eh?


So what the hack is your advice for the poor?

Pls not: use other scamcoins...


They take it in their own hands


So you see, not allowing on-chain scaling is really selfish and driven by some rich 'users'....eh?

if you think increasing the block size is going to make the transactions cheap and keep them that way then you are the "sheep".

no my friend. you may have a short period of fun and cheap transactions before mining cartel decides they are missing out on profit.
the first thing they will do is to change their minRelayTxFee to a higher number in their own modified code and start rejecting any transaction that is "cheap" to force the fees to go up.
next thing they will do is to spam attack the chain like they (or anybody else who were doing it and just taught everyone how to successfully do it) have been doing in the past 6 months to force the fees to go up.

and do you honestly think the mining cartel is going to give up the (12.5+fees) * $2700 and rising and go for (12.5+ cheap to no fees) * $100

wake up

I am wake since this scaling shit started.
The miners will OPTIMIZE the blocksize by many constraints. So it seems you know a little but not the entire economic + technological intermezzo. Its about non-linear optimization and finding some local extreme values.

Agreed we are all sheeps because this is complexity in its perfection.

Everybody trying  bribble this or that techy part is just wrong per definition of complexity. Free makrets will decide whats right not a single entitiy with too much to say yet. Getting to that free market is the correct way, allow maximum competition and freedom and evolutionary mechanics will acomplish our needs as they did for billions of years.

[rifatrony5]

So many scam coins are wanted to publish on Market.
It should be ban very soon otherwise Altcoins Market will also suffer by them.

[darthmaul]

The real work is always appreciated by talented people. The BCC is just waste stuff and one should not focus on it. The more we will think about it the more we are loosing control from the bitcoin itself. However, with BCC being on network with prelaunch price of 300-400 dollars it will still need big whales to invest in so that it could cross or come closer to bitcoin value. For the time being, I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

The increased size of block isn't the thing that everyone knows in perfect sense. There is still big learnings to be done for world to understand it. This is good for bitcoin and BCC won't get anything from it.

[BitcoinerXX]

So many scam coins are wanted to publish on Market.
It should be ban very soon otherwise Altcoins Market will also suffer by them.

dont worry, gov regulation otw to save the day 

[matuson]

It seems to me that the desire of people to have cash bitcoins due to the fact that the people have not rebuilt their thinking. They are too tied to stereotypes Fiat currency. They do not understand that bitcoin is not only currency, but also a special mindset. The highest expression of democracy.

[Adbitco]

My opposition is not because they are trying to hard fork
not because they are trying to increase the block size to 8 MB and open up many attack vectors.
not because they are effectively centralizing bitcoin.
not because they have the biggest scammer as their speaker.
not because they have been attacking bitcoin and trying to take over for more than 3 years.
...
these are all minor reasons.

the main reason that i am against bitcoinCash is because they are going against the majority. we voted, the nodes, the miners, the businesses, ... and got the majority on the current chain that you see and is called bitcoin.
but you could not accept and did not respect the majority's opinion and still insist on your minority hard fork.

and the worst part is you are going against "satoshi's vision", the very thing you pretend to support. which is a decentralized system that works based on consensus of the majority not what some small group of people want.

and here is a question for you:
you say your proposal is the best, you claim to be the satoshi's vision, and lots more. so why don't you make something from scratch? call it Satoshi's Vistion Coin or SVC for short.

When it's an established fact that the majority is with bitcoin and not with the bitcoin cash why are we even bothered about what minority is doing. Lett them do whatever they want to ultimately they have to fail in their efforts. Yes I agree that if they think what they are trying to come up with is satoshi's true vision then of course they should start from scratch instead of making changes to existing bitcoin.

[Aur3]

I'm not sure where to stand. If there's a thing as Bitcoin Cash, what does it do to make bitcoin the next supernova in currency? Can it help start-up companies such as IMMLA goo.gl/qeK3mQ in achieving their great mission? Last question is, what better changes can it make for the world?

From where I stand, I know bitcoin can seem to fight corruption due to its blockchain technology. It can also be a vehicle to improve the quality of education in school. We can encourage students to take risk and invest.  

[bgibso01]

You don't understand bitcoin. The market will decide.

the market will decide its another scamcoin soon. people will be scrambling to dump their bcc trash to buy more btc gold.

If everyone getting free BCC, then who will buy BCC from exchange
Also, current rate looks good, around 20% of bitcoin price.. but can it hold for long time after 1st Aug

[Hui8]

Indeed I'm against the BCC stuff. It's not just you and me but all the community I guess. I'm sure this will affect the launch of BCC for sure. These devs have violated the work of Satoshi and which is not worthy and they will have to repay it by not having any investors in the future.

[DooMAD]

seems this is the very weakness if Bitcoin, that it allows change and not able to stop self distruction.

all the goodies of BTC that is out of touch of any authorities, is now destroyed by its creators.

that is why the world have dictators

The only "weakness" is in peoples' heads if they naively think Bitcoin would work better as some sort of dictatorship.  Bitcoin doesn't want or need your pampered, mollycoddled, nanny-state, protectionist foolishness.  Bitcoin survives in the wild and grows stronger and more robust through adaptation and freedom of choice, selecting the best code available from the open market at any given time.  NOT through some centralised authority restricting its growth and limiting its potential by preventing people from running the code they want.  Go away and use Ripple if that's the kind of sheltered environment you want to confine yourself to.  No one in power is going to save you here, because no one is in power and you don't need saving, except from yourself:

The time of the cypherpunks was all too short, now only the cypherpussies remain, pleading for someone in power to trust with their hopes and dreams.

So stop trying to weaken Bitcoin by restricting the open-source ethos which empowers and fuels it.  Either you accept that anyone can modify the code and run whatever code they like, or you can sit around complaining about something which is never going to change.  This is how it is.

[LTU_btc]

I'm not supporting BCC ideas, mainly because of centralization, but I think that they have right to exist. People will show what they think about this coin and where is the place of BCC. If BCC will be dumped by BTC supporters, what is most likely will happen, it will be just failed attempt to create rival to bitcoin. And after few years mostly of will forget about Bitcoin Cash.

[bitcoinvestor]

Why don`t Bitcoin Cash suporters create a brand new altcoin.(Somehting from scratch,like the OP said.)
They are using the name of Bitcoin to manipulate the newbies, who are not familiar with soft/hard forks.
Using the name "Bitcoin" gains some aditional level of trust,which they don`t deserve.
Bitcoin Cash should be renamed to something different-Baitcoin,Betcoin or Batcoin...i don`t know.

I think they want to take the big name bitcoin.When they want to create new coin you will see in the ANN page bitcointalk. There will be many bounty hunters looking for BCC. In fact they don't do that. They want bigger profit by driving on BTC vehicle.