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July 28, 2017, 06:05:50 PM
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I have just read this article about Pres Trump not allowing transgender to serve in military
I respect transgenders as long as they are physically fit and can do their duty, there is no problem.
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July 28, 2017, 06:22:44 PM
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There need special conditions for them. This leads to increased costs. Why do they need if you have normal soldiers? I am not a supporter but Tump in this direction, I support it. The army is not a place where you can play in democracy.

 
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July 28, 2017, 07:11:53 PM
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Quote from: Donald Trump
Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.
-Donald Trump

Someone should tell Trump that the T in LGBT stands for Transgender
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July 28, 2017, 07:14:17 PM
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There need special conditions for them. This leads to increased costs. Why do they need if you have normal soldiers? I am not a supporter but Tump in this direction, I support it. The army is not a place where you can play in democracy.

If you want to talk about facts, please present some... like this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/

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Typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.

The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.
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July 29, 2017, 12:18:07 PM
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Everyone should be free to serve their country. There are women soldiers, what's the big difference with trans people?

There need special conditions for them. This leads to increased costs. Why do they need if you have normal soldiers? I am not a supporter but Tump in this direction, I support it. The army is not a place where you can play in democracy.

If you want to talk about facts, please present some... like this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/07/26/the-military-spends-five-times-as-much-on-viagra-as-it-would-on-transgender-troops-medical-care/

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Typical health-care costs for gender-transition-related medical treatment, the Rand study estimated that these treatments would cost the military between $2.4 million and $8.4 million annually.

The military spends $41.6 million annually on Viagra alone, according to the Military Times analysis — roughly five times the estimated spending on transition-related medical care for transgender troops.

What?! The US military buys Viagra for their soldiers? Uh... shouldn't that just be their own expense? I mean, boners don't help the country win wars.
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July 29, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
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I have just read this article about Pres Trump not allowing transgender to serve in military
I respect transgenders as long as they are physically fit and can do their duty, there is no problem.

Why do they disregard transgenders? I mean, there is no gender when we talk about doing your best to serve the people. A soldier don't need to be measured by how the way they look but how the way then can protect the civilians. There are even soldiers who are straight up boys and girls but can't do their job correctly.
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July 29, 2017, 01:08:28 PM
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Most people don't think of serving in the military as a right, it's more of a duty or something that you do if you're in a bad situation in life. At least if there is a war going on. Anyway there are many reasons for why someone can be unfit for duty. Actually, you could look at it in a different way and say that transgenders are getting an unfair advantage by not being allowed in the military. Think of how many people get messed up mentally and physically from the military!
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July 29, 2017, 01:50:08 PM
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This is a good decision. Because if they are drafted in to the army, then the transgenders will ask for special privileges such as separate toilets for them. And the military might find it hard to accommodate all their demands. When they decide to become transgenders, these people forfeit certain rights. The possibility of becoming a soldier is one of those rights.
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July 29, 2017, 01:53:36 PM
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They will Kill enemies with their sexuality - it's gonna be the new secret weapon of the US Army  Grin
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July 29, 2017, 02:14:27 PM
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I am not a follower not hater of LGBT community and also not fond of President Trump but i can say trump was right on his decision because being soldier carries a huge burden on back. Thus i think that only straight men and women arw capable of doing that. Being soldier talks about war and not democracy.
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July 29, 2017, 02:31:13 PM
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I think transgender in military is not good idea, usually the mentality of transgender is not the same with normal people, and then usually there will be a pressure from the other guy, like teasing or bullying, and it can create an awkard condition for all people

I am not against transgender, it just that sometimes people can be cruel to transgender and cannot accept the transgender people
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July 29, 2017, 02:57:48 PM
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I am not a follower not hater of LGBT community and also not fond of President Trump but i can say trump was right on his decision because being soldier carries a huge burden on back. Thus i think that only straight men and women arw capable of doing that. Being soldier talks about war and not democracy.

Not all soldiers go to war, some of them secure a country and it's civilians. They protect people and serve the country not kill people just because they want to, everything has a reason.

So I can say that forbidding them from joining the army has a good reason. Transgenders carry a big burden ever since they did the surgery to become a transgender, but it is not a reason to forbid them to serve the country and it's nation. They just changed their way of life, they did not changed their way of thinking.

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July 29, 2017, 03:04:08 PM
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Being a soldier always has to be war.  And it always end up having a case of discrimination when disallowing a community when the truth is the truth. Transgender has some place of their own - let's just put it that way. War isn't for them.
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July 29, 2017, 03:05:20 PM
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I have just read this article about Pres Trump not allowing transgender to serve in military
I respect transgenders as long as they are physically fit and can do their duty, there is no problem.

Here in my country, they are also not allowed to become soldiers or army because it is considered as an abnormality. No offense to the LGBT community.

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July 29, 2017, 04:49:12 PM
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Being a soldier always has to be war.  And it always end up having a case of discrimination when disallowing a community when the truth is the truth. Transgender has some place of their own - let's just put it that way. War isn't for them.

I don't think we need them in the troops, but here's where I'd draw the line. If a male soldier has the surgery on his own money, what then?

No way he should get a dishonorable discharge.

But you can't have him on the Delta team, either.
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July 29, 2017, 05:06:32 PM
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I think Trump tweeting it out is not a public policy stance. A military general came out and said his tweet does not make it official.
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July 29, 2017, 05:15:26 PM
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I have just read this article about Pres Trump not allowing transgender to serve in military
I respect transgenders as long as they are physically fit and can do their duty, there is no problem.

I agree with you and respect transgenders as long as they pick up the rifle next to me when someone starts shooting my way! I think that's the attitude to have as well especially considering how much money the Dept. of Defense spends on Viagra every freaking year. Way more than they spend dealing with Transgender folks. God bless.
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July 29, 2017, 05:20:00 PM
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I think Trump tweeting it out is not a public policy stance. A military general came out and said his tweet does not make it official.

This is the real problem. Donald Trump thinks himself as the King of United States. In democracy, everything has a protocol. No offence to the Transgender community but I too think military is not the place for sexual equality.
You are really right and I believe that this issue can not be raised at all, because there are old limits of propriety and I am an Old Formation person. For me it is also unclear.
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July 29, 2017, 06:27:09 PM
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I think he could give them the chance to. If it doesnt's work... good then.
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July 30, 2017, 04:40:48 AM
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They will Kill enemies with their sexuality - it's gonna be the new secret weapon of the US Army  Grin

Yeah.... These transgenders may be of good use in places such as Syria and Libya. The Islamists will be horrified at the very sight of naked shemale soldiers with huge boobs and 9-inch long dicks holding guns. They will believe that the Yawm ad-Dīn (day of judgement) has happened, and everyone will prepare for the arrival of the Masih ad-Dajjal.

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