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[Yza_azY]

Hello,

I think is NOT legal this fact:

Germany’s Largest Bitcoin Exchange Gave Police User Details Without Court Order.

My think:
The protection of our unscrupulous customers and their bitcoins is more important to us than the protection of the data of offenders.

and, Another interesseting thing:
We only issue data from customers to investigating authorities if they can inquire in writing in specific cases and can demonstrate a legitimate interest in specific criminal offenses. This has always been the case from our point of view.


The real question here: So they've done it several times?

Germany’s largest Bitcoin exchange Bitcoin.de gave police sensitive user data on request without being obliged to by law, a report has revealed.

An exclusive piece by Vice published Tuesday unveils “at least eight cases” in which Bitcoin.de, under pressure from police but not the law, handed over personal details of customers.

Those involved in January were allegedly under suspicion of having used Bitcoin to acquire drugs from the now-defunct Chemical Love online marketplace.
“I’m speechless”
“In total, Bitcoin.de [...] relaid personal details associated with eight addresses, which included real names and nicknames, place of residence, email addresses, phone numbers, order totals, bank details, account transactions, login histories and IP addresses,” Vice writes.

The Bitcoin addresses involved had no proven links to Chemical Love, but were merely of interest to police and “could have” ties required to make a conviction.

Bitcoin.de had at first refused to cooperate without a court order, documents seen by the publication explain.

After a telephone call from police, however, “on the same day [...] it was arranged and agreed that company would at least investigate the first Bitcoin address without a court order.”

“I’m speechless,” one Bitcoin.de and Chemical Love user said reacting to the revelations. “I thought this is a serious business and that my data was safely preserved.”

https://cointelegraph.com/news/germanys-largest-bitcoin-exchange-gave-police-user-details-without-court-order-report

[darkangel11]

The real question here: So they've done it several times?

Yes. They said they issue data, not that that they have issued in the past, which implies that it's an ongoing thing. Their database is open if anyone wants anything, completely no privacy. I think they shouldn't do it and are giving people grounds to a lawsuit. People should boycott their exchange, since they are more interested in ass kissing than customers and their rights.

[Yza_azY]

The real question here: So they've done it several times?

Yes. They said they issue data, not that that they have issued in the past, which implies that it's an ongoing thing. Their database is open if anyone wants anything, completely no privacy. I think they shouldn't do it and are giving people grounds to a lawsuit. People should boycott their exchange, since they are more interested in ass kissing than customers and their rights.

FULL AGREE!

Whenever you open a bank account (in this case in a exchange, bitcoin.de), join a social networking website or book a flight online, you hand over vital personal information such as your name, address, and credit card number.
What happens to this data? Could it fall into the wrong hands? What rights do you have regarding your personal information?
Everyone has the right to the protection of personal data.
Under EU law, personal data can only be gathered legally under strict conditions, for a legitimate purpose. Furthermore, persons or organisations which collect and manage your personal information must protect it from misuse and must respect certain rights of the data owners which are guaranteed by EU law.
Every day within the EU, businesses, public authorities and individuals transfer vast amounts of personal data across borders. Conflicting data protection rules in different countries would disrupt international exchanges. Individuals might also be unwilling to transfer personal data abroad if they were uncertain about the level of protection in other countries.
Therefore, common EU rules have been established to ensure that your personal data enjoys a high standard of protection everywhere in the EU. You have the right to complain and obtain redress if your data is misused anywhere within the EU.
The EU's Data Protection Directive also foresees specific rules for the transfer of personal data outside the EU to ensure the best possible protection of your data when it is exported abroad.

[audaciousbeing]

Hello,

I think is NOT legal this fact:

Germany’s Largest Bitcoin Exchange Gave Police User Details Without Court Order.

My think:
The protection of our unscrupulous customers and their bitcoins is more important to us than the protection of the data of offenders.

and, Another interesseting thing:
We only issue data from customers to investigating authorities if they can inquire in writing in specific cases and can demonstrate a legitimate interest in specific criminal offenses. This has always been the case from our point of view.

Its really shameful thing for the exchange site to have carried out such activity without the court order then what they are saying is that if any other person other than the Police put pressure on them then they will cave in? And not just one case but several, its should not be heard of, and I think they should be sued and others should also stop using their services for privacy sake.

[Yza_azY]

Hello,

I think is NOT legal this fact:

Germany’s Largest Bitcoin Exchange Gave Police User Details Without Court Order.

My think:
The protection of our unscrupulous customers and their bitcoins is more important to us than the protection of the data of offenders.

and, Another interesseting thing:
We only issue data from customers to investigating authorities if they can inquire in writing in specific cases and can demonstrate a legitimate interest in specific criminal offenses. This has always been the case from our point of view.

Its really shameful thing for the exchange site to have carried out such activity without the court order then what they are saying is that if any other person other than the Police put pressure on them then they will cave in? And not just one case but several, its should not be heard of, and I think they should be sued and others should also stop using their services for privacy sake.

Someone write this about this... problem.

In my personal opinion, it is not a problem. If the police strongly suspects a specific criminal activity and the terms of service allow sharing of some information, then I don't see why it should not be done.
Those exchanges are committed to protecting our privacy, not the secrecy of a couple of criminals.
Unless, of course, you prefer trading your bitcoins on an exchange that may go down tomorrow... With your money.

i DONT agree, It is a violation of the users right to privacy. This right is not absolute and has to be weighted against the public interest to fight drugs and other rights. The weighting is the job of a judge, not the police or bitcoin.de

Remember we have fight too much for the user privacy, if bitcoin.de do this, BOICOTT!
No more word...

[Yza_azY]

Here the most important points:

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Police investigation into the users of darknet drug trading site Chemical Love.

Bitcoin.de gave out the user data (Name, user name, address, IP address, phone number, E-Mail, order amounts, order history, usage history and connected bank account) of a Bitcoin address found in the server data of the darknet site to the police after first declining to do so w/o a court order "because of the number of inquired addresses" when asked via a letter but cooperated after the police called them once.

Bitcoin.de first claimed that anti money laundering laws would force them to give data over but when pushed stated that they have also done so because of the "good relationship they have with the German police".

According to Hamburg's privacy agency (government organization) Bitcoin.de was not forced by law to hand over data w/o a court order, even with the cited anti money laundering laws in tact.

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[maeusi]

Here the most important points:

-

Police investigation into the users of darknet drug trading site Chemical Love.

Bitcoin.de gave out the user data (Name, user name, address, IP address, phone number, E-Mail, order amounts, order history, usage history and connected bank account) of a Bitcoin address found in the server data of the darknet site to the police after first declining to do so w/o a court order "because of the number of inquired addresses" when asked via a letter but cooperated after the police called them once.

Bitcoin.de first claimed that anti money laundering laws would force them to give data over but when pushed stated that they have also done so because of the "good relationship they have with the German police".

According to Hamburg's privacy agency (government organization) Bitcoin.de was not forced by law to hand over data w/o a court order, even with the cited anti money laundering laws in tact.

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That sounds different to the news about bitcoin.de
So give they out all user data or only the investigated adress?

[Yza_azY]

Here the most important points:

-

Police investigation into the users of darknet drug trading site Chemical Love.

Bitcoin.de gave out the user data (Name, user name, address, IP address, phone number, E-Mail, order amounts, order history, usage history and connected bank account) of a Bitcoin address found in the server data of the darknet site to the police after first declining to do so w/o a court order "because of the number of inquired addresses" when asked via a letter but cooperated after the police called them once.

Bitcoin.de first claimed that anti money laundering laws would force them to give data over but when pushed stated that they have also done so because of the "good relationship they have with the German police".

According to Hamburg's privacy agency (government organization) Bitcoin.de was not forced by law to hand over data w/o a court order, even with the cited anti money laundering laws in tact.

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That sounds different to the news about bitcoin.de
So give they out all user data or only the investigated adress?

They give FULL data, remember, Bitcoin.de was not forced by law to hand over data w/o a court order.
Just a calling whit telephone!
Bitcoin.de gave out the user data (Name, user name, address, IP address, phone number, E-Mail, order amounts, order history, usage history and connected bank account.. thi's full data at my home.

[maeusi]

You are right. That should go the legal way. Its a NoGo how customers are threatend by this service.

[countryfree]

Smart move from bitcoin.de.

They're saying out loud that if you deal drugs on the dark web, bitcoin.de doesn't want to do business with you. White hat customers only!
I'm sure other exchanges will follow this example.

[GreenBits]

Smart move from bitcoin.de.

They're saying out loud that if you deal drugs on the dark web, bitcoin.de doesn't want to do business with you. White hat customers only!
I'm sure other exchanges will follow this example.

And they would be right to, if only to survive. AML and KYC regulation affect companies worse than us, believe that they would not deal with the pita that is user verification if they wouldnt get in trouble for not doing it. Save the TOS, which most likely clearly says they can do this; if a crime is suspected a lot of your civil rights go out of the window instantly.

If you dont like this, seriously consider using a different exchange/otc trading. but you will endure more risks with these platforms, as an exchange not following aml/kyc regulation is in violation in most jurisdictions. the law doesnt differ a lot concerning this in different places.

Also, the US is cracking down on cyber crime. This is a little bit of that, it seems to be a global initiative at the moment.

[Yza_azY]

You are right. That should go the legal way. Its a NoGo how customers are threatend by this service.

Boicott is the way!

Smart move from bitcoin.de.

They're saying out loud that if you deal drugs on the dark web, bitcoin.de doesn't want to do business with you. White hat customers only!
I'm sure other exchanges will follow this example.

I hope nooooo!!!!
I belive this:

IF someone use BTC for deal drug, army etc. in dark web, is CORRECT forced the exchange by law to hand over data w/o a court order.
BUT in full low!, need a court order!
In this case.. police calling whit telephone!, and maybe is just for status info...

[Yza_azY]

Smart move from bitcoin.de.

They're saying out loud that if you deal drugs on the dark web, bitcoin.de doesn't want to do business with you. White hat customers only!
I'm sure other exchanges will follow this example.

And they would be right to, if only to survive. AML and KYC regulation affect companies worse than us, believe that they would not deal with the pita that is user verification if they wouldnt get in trouble for not doing it. Save the TOS, which most likely clearly says they can do this; if a crime is suspected a lot of your civil rights go out of the window instantly.

If you dont like this, seriously consider using a different exchange/otc trading. but you will endure more risks with these platforms, as an exchange not following aml/kyc regulation is in violation in most jurisdictions. the law doesnt differ a lot concerning this in different places.

Also, the US is cracking down on cyber crime. This is a little bit of that, it seems to be a global initiative at the moment.

Not full agree.

Cyber crime? US is cracking down Anonymus and dont touch ISIS in telegram... what is this? i think is US Cyber terrorism.

Remember, share u personal info, here in UE is illegal, probably in US is legal then.
Police in UE CANT GRAB PERSONAL INFO IF U ARE LEGAL, they grab only if they have court order!
.DE Police say Bitcoin.de GIVE INFO for "Friendship"... LOL!!!

[xPPx]

Germans fear and respect the Polizei too damn much...

[botany]

Smart move from bitcoin.de.

They're saying out loud that if you deal drugs on the dark web, bitcoin.de doesn't want to do business with you. White hat customers only!
I'm sure other exchanges will follow this example.

Fair enough. But shouldn't they have followed proper procedure?
I always though the data protection and privacy laws of Europe were pretty strong.

[countryfree]

Smart move from bitcoin.de.

They're saying out loud that if you deal drugs on the dark web, bitcoin.de doesn't want to do business with you. White hat customers only!
I'm sure other exchanges will follow this example.

Fair enough. But shouldn't they have followed proper procedure?

No, the message wouldn't have been as powerful. After the seizure of BTC-E, I believe all exchanges are scared. They'll do whatever it takes to keep their business going.

[Nameless27]

Sad to hear this kind of news. From now on I'm gonna check for my wallet provider this kind of policies. That German exchange maybe legally accountable for her/his customers. I pity those been exposed by this. And thanks for sharing such information for others to be aware of.

[Netnox]

I have an account in Bitcoin.de, which I created long back in 2013. I haven't done any trades there and I signed up just because they were having some promotional offer. And if I am not wrong, I didn't gave them any personal ID documents.

[Yza_azY]

I have an account in Bitcoin.de, which I created long back in 2013. I haven't done any trades there and I signed up just because they were having some promotional offer. And if I am not wrong, I didn't gave them any personal ID documents.

Because, probably u trade just bitcoin. but for this u must send personal ID too.
Personal ID documents is used just for trade bitcoin to FIAT.
Well, by the way they send to the police u ID linked wallet and the other ( poor ) info.
And, maybe, if police wanna, they have the possibility to check u info. This is wrong too.
I hope u boicott this site

[Yza_azY]

Sad to hear this kind of news. From now on I'm gonna check for my wallet provider this kind of policies. That German exchange maybe legally accountable for her/his customers. I pity those been exposed by this. And thanks for sharing such information for others to be aware of.

U welcome, i'm sad too.
p.s. I DONT USE BITCOIN.DE (yes, my situation is same situation then @Netnox, i have account since 2014, but not personal ID documents because i have trade just bitcoin.)
By the way, i close account and start a BOICOTT campaign, fk this site.