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December 04, 2010, 05:25:07 AM
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http://wlcentral.org/node/482

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December 04, 2010, 05:35:53 AM
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Looks like bitcoin's time has come to step up to the plate.  Smiley

Can you imagine what will happen if wikileaks starts accepting it?  *shivers

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December 04, 2010, 05:39:17 AM
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The media will want interviews with Satoshi Nakamoto but we have no idea who he is.

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December 04, 2010, 05:45:04 AM
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This makes me hate Paypal even more than I already do. I didn't even think that was possible.
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December 04, 2010, 06:13:25 AM
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Did anyone expect any different?  Like any corporation, PayPal is a child of the state.  Very few are willing to stand up to Big Daddy on principle, even when it's obvious to everyone who isn't either an agent of the state or a cheerleader that these leaks are evidence of official malpractice.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 04, 2010, 06:49:18 AM
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Like I used Paypal anyway. Let them rot into oblivion. Everyone knows they're a criminal company and are decaying.

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December 04, 2010, 07:17:32 AM
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Did anyone expect any different?  Like any corporation, PayPal is a child of the state.

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That's why it is important to NOT be a corporation. 'Limited liability' is for thieves. Run UNlimited! Wink
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December 04, 2010, 09:12:52 AM
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Paypal already had a pretty bad reputation of banning accounts for weird reasons, or without giving reasons at all. They are an unreliable company.


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December 04, 2010, 02:26:00 PM
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JULIAN ASSANGE IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO !
HE INVENTED BITCOIN TO ANONYMOUSLY ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR HIS SITE WIKILEAKS !

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December 04, 2010, 02:54:09 PM
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JULIAN ASSANGE IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO !
HE INVENTED BITCOIN TO ANONYMOUSLY ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR HIS SITE WIKILEAKS !

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Eh no, Julian would use his own name.

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December 04, 2010, 03:03:41 PM
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Eh no, Julian would use his own name.
If not, then someone would leak it.
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December 04, 2010, 03:09:19 PM
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If not, then someone would leak it.

We can't have this for the community do we?

It's more fun to think of Satoshi as the awesome badass hacker with a secret mission to destroy money monopoly rather than just an ordinary hacker who got a really good idea how to destroy money monopoly and decided it would be risky..

hmm....

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December 04, 2010, 06:55:46 PM
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If not, then someone would leak it.

We can't have this for the community do we?

It's more fun to think of Satoshi as the awesome badass hacker with a secret mission to destroy money monopoly rather than just an ordinary hacker who got a really good idea how to destroy money monopoly and decided it would be risky..

hmm....

haha, somehow I never made the connection that we are actually playing with 'monopoly money'.

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December 04, 2010, 10:45:55 PM
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Won't be enough IMO.  They still can receive donations from cash in the mail or Bank wire.

They might turn into bitcoin once Governments cease Wikileaks's bank accounts.
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December 04, 2010, 10:52:21 PM
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They might turn into bitcoin once Governments cease Wikileaks's bank accounts.


At that point, wouldn't it be too late?  Isn't it best to build up the alternative donation methods now so that Wikileaks doesn't have to shut down its servers and operations once the government does cease Wikileaks's bank accounts?


Looks like bitcoin's time has come to step up to the plate.  Smiley


Yes...bitcoin's time has come to step up to the plate.

What if we do nothing?

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December 05, 2010, 01:05:43 AM
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Quote from: em3rgentOrdr link=topic=2069.msg26891#msg26891
What if we do nothing?

The end result is likely to be the same.  It doesn't matter if someone in this community proposes to Wikileaks or not, they are very net savy.  Someone in their structure is going to propose bitcoin to them, and there is no way for us, or anyone, to prevent them from using it.  Hopefully they will also be willing to commit as much of their own resources to the security of bitcoin if they do so openly.  We still don't have the strength to withstand the full force of the US government.

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

- Carroll Quigley, CFR member, mentor to Bill Clinton, from 'Tragedy And Hope'
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December 05, 2010, 01:15:29 AM
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They need a new dns provider and hosting.....PrivacyShark?

Which companies who accept bitcoin are outside the sovereignity of the US ?



What if you didnt donate to wikileaks itself but donated to their hosting providers?

Who can argue that your purpose was to support wikileaks?

Unless I have things wrong and they now think you are guilty of "thought" crimes.
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December 05, 2010, 01:43:30 AM
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The end result is likely to be the same.  It doesn't matter if someone in this community proposes to Wikileaks or not, they are very net savy. 

They are net stupid, according to Wired:  WikiLeaks Attacks Reveal Surprising, Avoidable Vulnerabilities

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December 05, 2010, 01:47:14 AM
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JULIAN ASSANGE IS SATOSHI NAKAMOTO !
HE INVENTED BITCOIN TO ANONYMOUSLY ACCEPT DONATIONS FOR HIS SITE WIKILEAKS !

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No.   http://cryptome.org/  preceeded wikileaks by a decade and created by John Young (the co founder of wikileaks ).
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20011106-281.html here he is critisizing wikileaks at a hacker conference in New York.

http://cryptome.org/cryptome-sar.htm  they have even been accused of money laundering and had their account pulled by paypal .


http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/04/42860
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The prosecution also called John Young, a New York City architect who runs cryptome.org and is a frequent participant in the cypherpunks discussion list. The group, featured on the second cover of Wired magazine, is devoted to discussions of privacy, anonymity and free speech -- and now is regularly monitored by the feds.

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If John isnt a candidate for "satoshi" I will eat my hat. He actually is a real life character from cryptonomicon!




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December 05, 2010, 02:03:27 AM
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Quote from: em3rgentOrdr link=topic=2069.msg26891#msg26891
What if we do nothing?

The end result is likely to be the same.  It doesn't matter if someone in this community proposes to Wikileaks or not, they are very net savy.  Someone in their structure is going to propose bitcoin to them, and there is no way for us, or anyone, to prevent them from using it.  Hopefully they will also be willing to commit as much of their own resources to the security of bitcoin if they do so openly.  We still don't have the strength to withstand the full force of the US government.

Good point...Wikileaks would find about bitcoin by themselves (or likely already know about it) anyway, and would thus make a decision on their own whether or not they thought bitcoin would be beneficial to them.  And the argument could be made that it would be best if there were no formal connection from the bitcoin community to the wikileaks organization, whereby a bitcoin "representative" or "leader" speaks to a Wikileaks "representative" or "leader".  

"We will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks, but pure P2P networks are holding their own."
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