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August 11, 2017, 02:38:22 PM
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This must be a joke:

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So many questions Smiley But it's rare that I encounter truly
revolutionary ideas. The last time I was this excited about a new
monetary scheme was when I discovered Ripple. If you have any thoughts
on Ripple, I'd also love to hear them.

Ripple?

funny how mike hearn and satoshi are time travellers talking about XRP in 2009 when it wasnt even a thing until 2012

The original Ripple didn't even have XRP. That was added when I changed form a good idea to a scam.

The e-mails say nothing about XRP - only Ripple.

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The good thing about Bitcoin is, we dont need Satoshi nakamoto anymore. Bitcoin has a dozen of developers already. Unlike other coins, when their founders or developer die. Their business will pause, and its coin price drops.


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August 11, 2017, 02:46:47 PM
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That's really cool! "It's nice that anyone with a PC can play without worrying about what video card they have, and hopefully it'll stay that way for a while"!
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August 11, 2017, 02:56:00 PM
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Thanks for sharing, it would likely be part of history of bitcoin. Those email sailed satoshi nakamoto as master of crypto currency. It will also be in debate for many years who really is satoshi nakamoto. Can't wait soon his identity be in public.
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August 11, 2017, 03:03:21 PM
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I am very hesitant to accept this as "original" {unedited} emails from Satoshi, if Mike Hearn is involved. I do not trust

anything where he is involved in. In the first email Satoshi says this : " 65.The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide.  Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling.  If you're interested, I can go over the ways it would cope with extreme size. "

....Forward about 8 years and "scaling" is the biggest issue we had to deal with in Bitcoin. He might not have seen this

coming, if he really said that.  Roll Eyes

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August 11, 2017, 03:05:17 PM
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Well I really like the thing about the conversation of mike hearn and satoshi especially how mike started in learning what bitcoin can really do, and Satoshi started in explaining how the Visa credit card network processes about 15 million internet purchase per day and how bitcoin will top it up I can see the question mark on mike hearn's face while reading it but yeah he is now a developer, and in every interview with mike he would sai something like this "Bitcoin is an experiment and like all experiments, it can fail. So don’t invest what you can’t afford to lose". there is really a warning in giving your all to bitcoin and there is still a risk in investing it, although it became successful throughout the years.














 

 

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August 11, 2017, 03:22:42 PM
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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

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August 11, 2017, 03:32:03 PM
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Well I don't know how could Satoshi expect Bitcoin to be a replacement of Visa and other payment processors while even a 8MB block size is not

Merely enough to process %20 of the transactions Visa is processing every day. the only comments I believe are truly from Satoshi himself are the

Posts which he submitted in this forum alone, the rest could be very well forged. if you recall ever since Bitcoin's price increased past $600 there has

Been all sorts of claim, from fake claims of being Satoshi to mining Bitcoin cash with the same "Unknown" nick name to indicate that the same person

Mining under this name is the same unknown entity that mined genesis block of Bitcoin.
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August 11, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

Mike shared the first one publicly before (https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/), and has quoted bits and pieces of some of the others.

He actually thought they had been published already.  He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191508.0), who never did anything with them.

I'm learning that, even though hundreds of people have spent countless hours speculating about Satoshi, few people actually asked the original developers to share what they knew.

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August 11, 2017, 03:44:15 PM
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I won't be clicking on any unknown links. I'll wait for the Satoshi movie.

Yes, you have the right choice, we should not trust any email. They can be fake ones. In this world, there are many bad guys trying to take advantage of us. Be sober!

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August 11, 2017, 03:50:11 PM
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glad that these messages still safe I remember seeing those emails when I just joined the Bitcoin system. it was back on 2011.i trust Pastebin links so relax there are no virus or infection in those texts. if anyone spends a little time reading those conversations between Satoshi then they can get a clear picture of what kind of stuff is implemented into bitcoin.


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Shameful. Shameful if they're legit, shameful if they're edited.

Here was my response to "CipherionX"'s attempts at getting leaks.

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Publishing someone's private messages without their consent is
generally considered unethical.  In some situations it is less of a
big deal and may be excusable, in others it is a really big deal.

Satoshi didn't make those emails public and I think it's not really
anyone elses right to do so. If he wanted them public, presumably he
would have made them public or would make them public now.  Breaking
his trust is a disrespect to the great contribution he made to the
world.

Publication of his private emails may create personal risk of theft or
physical harm for him and his family. The damage created from a loss
of privacy can't be undone and it may not be obvious from even careful
analysis what elements of a message may be revealing. Even the
smallest of details could be potentially identifying. Disclosure of
his private correspondence may have terrible consequences, far worse
than publishing most other person's private emails.

From message which have previously been leaked, we know that Satoshi
complained about the fixating and focusing on him and his identity.
Too bad the people he complained about doing this did not respect his
wishes.

His private messages have also been utilized by scammers to aid their
inept impersonations.

Obsession with Bitcoin's creator detracts from the greatness of his
accomplishment: he built a system where it doesn't matter who created
it or why-- because we don't have to trust it or each other.

I hope that people will delete private messages they have and forever
protect them from disclosure rather than publish them.

I have done so, and whatever I have or find I will not disclose and
will continue to endeavor to secure so that I cannot disclose it
through error or future weakness.  Perhaps if you sit back and
consider this some you will realize that there is some merit to these
points, and you'll choose to abandon this project. I hope you do.

Cheers,

Bitcoin will not be compromised
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I am very hesitant to accept this as "original" {unedited} emails from Satoshi, if Mike Hearn is involved. I do not trust

anything where he is involved in. In the first email Satoshi says this : " 65.The existing Visa credit card network processes about 15 million Internet purchases per day worldwide.  Bitcoin can already scale much larger than that with existing hardware for a fraction of the cost.  It never really hits a scale ceiling.  If you're interested, I can go over the ways it would cope with extreme size. "

....Forward about 8 years and "scaling" is the biggest issue we had to deal with in Bitcoin. He might not have seen this

coming, if he really said that.  Roll Eyes


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I don't buy this for a millisecond! there is no way to prove that any of these transcripts are authentic.  Specially coming from someone like Mike.  Sorry, but we already have Nakamoto institute where all of satoshi's actual provable conversations are available for everyone to read.  Anything "personal" I'm going to pass on it.   If you guys want, give me a few week and i'll find the conversation I had with satoshi myself!  It's a great read. 

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Wow!

This is pretty neat to see actual replies back and forth.

Are these brand new, as in nobody has ever seen them before besides Mike? Why did Mike decide to give you these anyways?

Still, very nice to read through these and we can see a glimpse into how Satoshi was and  how he corresponded. That gives us all insight into how BTC was designed better and some behind the scenes extras!

Mike shared the first one publicly before (https://bitcoinfoundation.org/forum/index.php?/topic/54-my-first-message-to-satoshi/), and has quoted bits and pieces of some of the others.

He actually thought they had been published already.  He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191508.0), who never did anything with them.

I'm learning that, even though hundreds of people have spent countless hours speculating about Satoshi, few people actually asked the original developers to share what they knew.



>He had previously forwarded them to Charles Hoskinson

Charles. Hoskinson. Another red flag! Now I know this is BS.

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Shameful.

Here was my response to "CipherionX"'s attempts at getting leaks.

Quote
Publishing someone's private messages without their consent is
generally considered unethical.  In some situations it is less of a
big deal and may be excusable, in others it is a really big deal.

Satoshi didn't make those emails public and I think it's not really
anyone elses right to do so. If he wanted them public, presumably he
would have made them public or would make them public now.  Breaking
his trust is a disrespect to the great contribution he made to the
world.

Publication of his private emails may create personal risk of theft or
physical harm for him and his family. The damage created from a loss
of privacy can't be undone and it may not be obvious from even careful
analysis what elements of a message may be revealing. Even the
smallest of details could be potentially identifying. Disclosure of
his private correspondence may have terrible consequences, far worse
than publishing most other person's private emails.

From message which have previously been leaked, we know that Satoshi
complained about the fixating and focusing on him and his identity.
Too bad the people he complained about doing this did not respect his
wishes.

His private messages have also been utilized by scammers to aid their
inept impersonations.

Obsession with Bitcoin's creator detracts from the greatness of his
accomplishment: he built a system where it doesn't matter who created
it or why-- because we don't have to trust it or each other.

I hope that people will delete private messages they have and forever
protect them from disclosure rather than publish them.

I have done so, and whatever I have or find I will not disclose and
will continue to endeavor to secure so that I cannot disclose it
through error or future weakness.  Perhaps if you sit back and
consider this some you will realize that there is some merit to these
points, and you'll choose to abandon this project. I hope you do.

Cheers,

That is an interesting point from the Privacy Perspective ...

I am doing some research on protected health information (PHI) and reading some HIPAA rules ... there is an interest debate on how to share medical information without share personal information (De/RE-identification problem)

http://www.worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0218488502001648

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August 11, 2017, 06:09:48 PM
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Shameful. Shameful if they're legit, shameful if they're edited.
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I appreciate your perspective, Greg.  I had these e-mails for a couple of weeks now, and I took the time to analyze each sentence closely before sharing.  I was unable to find anything that points in one person's direction, although that's not to say there isn't something there.  There's just so much history in these e-mails that I really didn't want to disappear.

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August 11, 2017, 06:44:49 PM
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Wow, thanks op. Once again i proved to myself how stupid i am when it comes to these things. But damn! I also realized how smart/intelligent a human can really be, not just because he  managed to make bitcoins but also by the way he addresses questions and answer them appropriately wow, just wow, and also mike is really amazing he was so eager to learn and you can see that he is really sincere on his questions.. this right here is pure gold. Even if I didn't understand a lot of what they were talking about, i could sense the importance of this convo in the history of btc.. i hope a lot of people will also be able to get to read this convo between satoshi amd mike..
Thanks again op for sharing this very important part of history..

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August 11, 2017, 07:05:15 PM
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Thank you very much. It is very interesting to learn from original and beginning on. Now I am beginning to understand the technical aspects of bitcoin and blockchain. Was also not aware, that also ripple existed already.
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August 11, 2017, 08:20:40 PM
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Started a new thread based on this thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080936.new#new

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August 11, 2017, 09:11:46 PM
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What else are you going to put on your website? Will there be any videos? Thank you for your contribution to our community!

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