What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg?

[Vod]

I have shown you the scientific proof that God exists.

I am very interested in seeing it!

All that I ask is that is not be tied to your fairy tales.

Until you provide this proof, I will stick with science that says the egg came first.  

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[BADecker]

I have shown you the scientific proof that God exists.

I am very interested in seeing it!

All that I ask is that is not be tied to your fairy tales.

Until you provide this proof, I will stick with science that says the egg came first.  

My question is, what fairy tales are you talking about. I have offered no fairy tales.

The scientific proof that God exists is the start to understanding that evolution as the standard evolutionists understands it, is flawed. Why is it flawed? The simple answer is cause and effect programming. This is basic science. Google it. Programming changes the whole idea of evolution.

Entropy suggests devolution rather than evolution.

Your desires are the things that are fictional. Turn to God, so that you can find some hope that has a real foundation.

[Vod]

My question is, what fairy tales are you talking about. I have offered no fairy tales.

When you lie, you need a good memory.  

I am talking about your fairy tale about a god that created the chicken.

Ring a bell, or are you just not interested in debating the truth?

[Lumining]

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

The only way you can respond to my facts are with lies? 

Mutations have been observed millions of times.

One only has to look at dogs to see how man's hand has evolved them over time due to mutations.

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

All mutations have been programmed by cause and effect, to happen just the way that they happened. All mutations are change, and that is the only thing that "evolution" means... change. There is no change of one species to another. There isn't really even any evidence of such. Evolution in this sense is 100% guesswork.

Some time ago, a very intelligent man walked on our earth. His name is Charles Darwin.
He made an expedition to the Galapagos Islands and he found out, that there were turtles whith lots of similarities and with a few differences. He found out that these turtles were ancestors of the same turtle breed. He started his research to find out why however these turtles had different mouths and noses.
His results showed, that a vulcanic erruption many years before his arrival divided the island in two parts. The turtles on the one side of the island could not get to the other side anymore because the magma blocked their way. That's why the turtles in the jungle developed longer necks and sharper mouths, to be able to eat fruits easier. The turtles on the other side of the magma developped flat noses to pick up food from the even rocks and beaches. The turtles had to evolve to be able to survive. Their environment changed and that's why the turtles themselves changed.

Please don't tell me that God made this vulcano explode and that it was planned to cut off the turtles from one side of the island.

Please do some research, especially on this case from Darwin on the Galapagos Islands.
I'd rather believe a man who wrote a book a dozen years ago instead of believing a book that has been written 2000 years ago and which was translated multiple times.

[Mojacko]

The chicken came first.

I do agree chicken came out first before egg, because in the bible saying that man came first and at the story of Noah's arc it never said an egg was save and only animals in partners was in the Noah's arc.

An old fashioned question that most of us is confuse. Because of confusion, scientist butt in in the discussion and do further studies. According to them and their findings, chicken came first.

[Vod]

An old fashioned question that most of us is confuse. Because of confusion, scientist butt in in the discussion and do further studies. According to them and their findings, chicken came first.

Ok newbie, just ignore that facts - are you able to read?  Scientists have said the egg came first. 

[Vod]

Please do some research, especially on this case from Darwin on the Galapagos Islands.
I'd rather believe a man who wrote a book a dozen years ago instead of believing a book that has been written 2000 years ago and which was translated multiple times.

Common sense, right??

The key to enduring badecker is to not argue against his fairy tale, but instead gently try to point him back to the facts.

I have been doing that tonight and in his desperation he tried many tricks - including putting words in my mouth and calling science a fairy tale.

Just gently point out it's all in his head, and point him back to the facts.  Don't try to argue his mental dementia - there are no rules and you will lose.

 

[Lumining]

Vod you're totally right.
I've just seen a thread in the off topic section with the title: Thank you God for...
And of course he posted the same "evidence" of the existence of god in there.

But one thing might be interesting? About which god are we talking about?

In my eyes there's only one god: mother nature. She gives birth to everything and she offers us a perfect environnment. She evolved over millions of years into perfection. Every insect has it's task and every animal lives in complete harmony with nature. Evolution created the perfect nature, which might be very fragile, bit which is balanced by thousands of little influences which all together create an environment in which we're able to live.

God should've told Jesus to preach about climate change so we would not be fucked today.

[Xester]

An old fashioned question that most of us is confuse. Because of confusion, scientist butt in in the discussion and do further studies. According to them and their findings, chicken came first.

Ok newbie, just ignore that facts - are you able to read?  Scientists have said the egg came first. 

I don't believe that egg comes first. I think that chicken comes first because we all know that God created all living things in our world including chicken. Before egg come out there is already chicken. Egg comes from chicken. After that, the cycle between chicken and egg comes out so there is confusion between the two.

[Vod]

I don't believe that egg comes first. I think that chicken comes first because we all know that God created all living things in our world including chicken.

You are wrong.  There are billions of us who don't believe in your fairy tale.

[motiar]

The question is very difficult to answer.But i think very deeply and i am thinking that how an egg come before the chicken.Without a chicken an egg cannot come.So, lastly i want to tell that chicken came first and then egg.I think most of the people will agree with my reply.

[cigaLeider]

Nah its easy!! First comes the egg which is where they come from. And where does that egg come from? Easy, years and years of genetic evolution until the first chicken was born.
There is no programming, only adaptation to the environment

[BADecker]

What they are saying is that they don't really know how evolution works.

What they are indicating is that they don't really even know if there is any evolution in the sense that they are talking. Won't they be surprised when they find that natural selection is really complex programming on a scale of complexity unprecedented.

Meet 'Dark DNA' - The Hidden Genes That May Change How We Think About Evolution

DNA sequencing technology is helping scientists unravel questions that humans have been asking about animals for centuries. By mapping out animal genomes, we now have a better idea of how the giraffe got its huge neck and why snakes are so long. Genome sequencing allows us to compare and contrast the DNA of different animals and work out how they evolved in their own unique ways.

But in some cases we're faced with a mystery. Some animal genomes seem to be missing certain genes, ones that appear in other similar species and must be present to keep the animals alive. These apparently missing genes have been dubbed "dark DNA". And its existence could change the way we think about evolution.

My colleagues and I first encountered this phenomenon when sequencing the genome of the sand rat (Psammomys obesus), a species of gerbil that lives in deserts. In particular we wanted to study the gerbil's genes related to the production of insulin, to understand why this animal is particularly susceptible to type 2 diabetes.

Read more at http://www.sciencealert.com/introducing-dark-dna-the-phenomenon-that-could-change-how-we-think-about-evolution.

[Vod]

What they are saying is that they don't really know how evolution works.

I understand perfectly how evolution works.

Using bold letters and big text does not make your point valid, and you won't win by putting words in my mouth. 

[BADecker]

I don't believe that egg comes first. I think that chicken comes first because we all know that God created all living things in our world including chicken.

You are wrong.  There are billions of us who don't believe in your fairy tale.

No. You are a liar. Just because you don't realize you are telling falsehoods, doesn't make them any less lies.

Cause and effect programming of everything shows that there isn't any mutation, even though some call it mutation. Rather, it is programming. Nothing random about it.

Programming indicates a programmer. Programming on a scale the size of our complex universe indicates God.

[Vod]

No. You are a liar. Just because you don't realize you are telling falsehoods, doesn't make them any less lies.

Ah, so me, and the billions like me that believe in science are liars?   

And you claim an old man filled a boat with two of every animal then killed every human on earth is the truth?

Wake up!  Next argument?

[BADecker]

No. You are a liar. Just because you don't realize you are telling falsehoods, doesn't make them any less lies.

Ah, so me, and the billions like me that believe in science are liars?   

And you claim an old man filled a boat with two of every animal then killed every human on earth is the truth?

Wake up!  Next argument?

Believing something isn't what makes you a liar. Do I have to lead you to the definitions?

What's the matter? Can't get around the most basic of all science laws, so you have to steer the conversation away from it?

What do you have so against God that you don't even want to acknowledge science if it means that you won't see Him by doing so?

[Vod]

Believing something isn't what makes you a liar. Do I have to lead you to the definitions?

Please do.  I'd like to know the definition of "liar" from someone that believes everyone got their different languages when they tried to build the tower of babel.

Remember, I am only interested in facts.  Using recursive arguments (god tells me there is a god) is not proof for anybody.

[BADecker]

Believing something isn't what makes you a liar. Do I have to lead you to the definitions?

Please do.  I'd like to know the definition of "liar" from someone that believes everyone got their different languages when they tried to build the tower of babel.

Remember, I am only interested in facts.  Using recursive arguments (god tells me there is a god) is not proof for anybody.

Please pardon me. I had thought that I was speaking with someone with at least a little knowledge and ability. Check out kindergarten for one of their dictionaries.

[Vod]

Please pardon me. I had thought that I was speaking with someone with at least a little knowledge and ability. Check out kindergarten for one of their dictionaries.

Cool arguement bro!

Can we get back on topic now?

Science has proven a animal genetically close to a chicken laid an egg that was the first chicken.  The egg must come first, as no chicken can exist without the egg.

Can you provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tales?