What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg?

[bcnaranjo]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

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[killgald]

The chicken came first.

[helars2008]

It has already been answered....
Evolution cannot happen when a creature is still on its egg state...
Therefore chicken transformed/evolved into what is chicken right now when it is already a chicken...

[degaga15]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

This is the question when I was a kid, if I choose to choose which first I will choose the first chicken, the reason is because the chicken can emerge from other animals, it is confusing that must be the first chicken.

[criptix]

The banana

[bikihabana]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.
What do you think about it?

Are you sure you are not a little convoluted yourself?  

To the question: Chickens and their eggs came later; it were protozoa that first appeared (I think).

[goldade]

This is has been a question of debate for a very  long time, with so many people people supporting either sides. Some believed that without the egg, there wouldn't be a chicken, while others believed that without the chicken, there wouldn't an egg. But to me, I believe that without the chicken, there wiuldn't be an egg, so the chicken comes first

[Arahara0230]

They said the chicken comes first before the egg, because the eggshell tissue is produce by chicken

[Wa(t)ch_night()]

Quite an interesting question and I think that no one can find an exact answer to it. I think that God created a chicken and she then began to carry the eggs from which the chickens appeared.

[Gozie51]

This is a thought provoking debate; thus ,I would attempt it from different angles.

Hence, in the beginning, there was chicken & after wards, there was egg which chicken was made from.

Is just like humans too, like father / son / boy. Mother / daughter / girl.

In other words, there has always been a beginning.

[Xester]

Quite an interesting question and I think that no one can find an exact answer to it. I think that God created a chicken and she then began to carry the eggs from which the chickens appeared.

We all know that God is the most powerful in the world. He created all living things including us human, animals, and other spheres. Me I think chicken comes first. Because like what I said, God created animals like chicken. This chicken will be pregnant and if it is release the egg will be place in a incubator then when it hatch chicken will form.

[Jasad]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I think this is an old question that has been answered. Chickens come earlier than eggs because there are cells from the eggshell that is only produced when it is still in the chicken which means the egg will not exist if it does not come from the chicken's stomach.

[mvidetto]

Chicken first 

[Buttercup123]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

The answer is the "Chicken", please read the sentence again. In scientific analysis, the chicken came first because if the egg came first then their is no one who will warm the egg - incubate, and also if the egg came first then how can you be sure that the egg came from a chicken if the chicken does not exist at first.

[Lancusters]

I think that first appeared a few eggs from mutant embryos. Of them were born chickens and began to produce the same beings. And there was the chicken. Maybe the chicken is underdeveloped lizard.

[attentionSicker]

Chicken came first!, isn't it too obvious?
An egg is just a product of a hen and a rooster that have sex together or maybe by some dna-based food used to alter reproduction of a chicken.

[bryant.coleman]

I believe in evolution, over creation. Therefore, according to me the chicken came first. The chicken was evolved from other birds, just like the humans evolved out of primates. After the chicken was evolved, it laid eggs and more chickens came to life. That said, even if you believe in the theory of creation, it is the chicken which came first.

[Babyrica0226]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

This question is really funny, but I would say chicken came first of course. But to others philosophy answers if chicken came first where does chicken came from?

[Senkuli]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I am convinced that the chickens are ahead of the eggs, God created living things earlier than his descendants, such as Adam and Eve who later gave birth to their offspring, the chicken lay eggs so as to produce the next chicken offspring.

[Jannn]

What do you think about it?

Ofcourse chicken came first into this world, why? base on the conclusion of a scientist ; the eggshell of an egg cant made without a protein , protein came from a chicken

[Malaya]

It's chicken that came first.

[Anonaneadone]

In the bible
The chicken came first

[Xester]

In the bible
The chicken came first

I agree to you. According to the book of Genesis, God created the world with humans, animals, trees, mountains and many more. With that we can say that chicken come first before it lays some egg that will be hatched in a right time. So chicken come first.

[Flyyyy]

I think that there began to appear living beings such as a chicken and then they already started to carry eggs or multiply for the continuation of the genus to create more like themselves.

[mellorbo]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Definitely the chicken!, an microorganism cannot evolve into an egg. Maybe its possible but its about 2% possibility. Chicken can possibly came from a microorganism. Evolution occurs when a microorganism turn in a chicken while chickens produce eggs. Also, God created animals therefore chicken is the one that came first.

[robbylove]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

If the universe is a projected hologram of what we understand as reality then the egg is a computer simulation of a chicken in a state of quantum fluctuation trapped in the even horizon of a massive black hole.


 

[Bytemama]

Without a chicken there is no egg. In this case the chicken comes first

[darkangel]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Do you think that if you do not have eggs, how do you hatch? But if there are no children how to lay eggs. Interestingly, this issue is not monologue. Like having a mother without a father, why do we create a father without mother, then we are born.

[Xester]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Do you think that if you do not have eggs, how do you hatch? But if there are no children how to lay eggs. Interestingly, this issue is not monologue. Like having a mother without a father, why do we create a father without mother, then we are born.

For me, chicken comes first. God created all living things including animals like chicken. Before eggs hatch, they come from chicken. And we all know that there will be no eggs if chicken does not exist in this world. So chicken comes first.

[The_prodigy]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Obviously the chicken came first, because if the egg would come first then who would sit on them so they can hatch. With the chicken, they can form an egg and be able to lay on it and it would be a chick. It would be almost impossible for the egg to survive without being in the protection of the chicken which would be needed to exist so that it may hatch.

[ChickenBacon]

I started it all. Bacon was involved.

[piash.tanjin]

I think chicken comes first with a egg inside it and it died and after that a chicken born from the egg and it also died with out a chicken after than another chicken comes and anyhow it continue to do that process but one day it faces a unfortunate death and it died after than another egg come and chicken born and trust me all those things are nonsense what i have written as like as  the question .Just think how u have come ? with out your parents so how a egg comes?

[Xester]

I think chicken comes first with a egg inside it and it died and after that a chicken born from the egg and it also died with out a chicken after than another chicken comes and anyhow it continue to do that process but one day it faces a unfortunate death and it died after than another egg come and chicken born and trust me all those things are nonsense what i have written as like as  the question .Just think how u have come ? with out your parents so how a egg comes?

Chicken comes first because before egg comes out,  chicken get pregnant then the egg will release.  According to the book of genesis,  God created all the living organisms including chicken.  So chicken comes first if we based on bible.

[gabmen]

I think chicken comes first with a egg inside it and it died and after that a chicken born from the egg and it also died with out a chicken after than another chicken comes and anyhow it continue to do that process but one day it faces a unfortunate death and it died after than another egg come and chicken born and trust me all those things are nonsense what i have written as like as  the question .Just think how u have come ? with out your parents so how a egg comes?

Chicken comes first because before egg comes out,  chicken get pregnant then the egg will release.  According to the book of genesis,  God created all the living organisms including chicken.  So chicken comes first if we based on bible.

Wow you really made this conclusion about which came first based on the bible? This is a timeless question that i think we'll never know the answer to and i don't think it really matters. It's not going to affect us in any way.

[ScriptYoYo]

This is an endless question for which you can not give an exact answer. At first there could be an egg from which the chicken got out and then started to carry eggs or a chicken could appear and take down the egg.

[joebrook]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Its definitely the Chicken, God will not risk the other big animals stepping and crushing the egg when its all alone there. And up to now, Evolutionist have not really proven anything its all theories with them.

[kodes88]

Eggshells are formed depending on the protein substances that exist only in the chicken uterus. This means egg shells will form only if it is in the chicken.
Proteins called ovocledidin-17, or OC-17 - act as catalysts to accelerate the development of eggshells and convert calcium carbonate into calcite crystals that form egg shells. Calcite crystals exist in various bones and shells but they form faster in the chicken. The poultry is able to produce 6 grams of egg shells every 24 hours. While the computer used by scientists, named HECToR it proves that OC-17 is very important in starting the crystallization or early stages of egg shell creation.

[Thyaga]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

This question is too boring because the answer is already known that the chicken first existed than the eggs, Some theories say, the ancestors of chickens created the eggs of the age of Dinosaurs.

[eidoscore]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

chicken came first, because if not any chicken the egg can't be hatch and the egg should rot

[Xester]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

chicken came first, because if not any chicken the egg can't be hatch and the egg should rot

Humans, animals and other living organisms comes first in this world. God created all matter that includes animals like chicken. Chicken comes first if we based on the book of Genesis. It is impossible to think that egg comes first because egg come from chicken because chicken come from God. So chicken comes first.

[supine]

The chicken came first.

I do agree chicken came out first before egg, because in the bible saying that man came first and at the story of Noah's arc it never said an egg was save and only animals in partners was in the Noah's arc.

[xwshamim]

i think the chicken came first . because there is a process to make an egg for the chickens so it cant grow any how . chickens came first then they produced eggs and then they slowly increased their numbers simple

[BADecker]

Must have been the egg. Why? You would have to have at least 2 chickens to get an egg. So the egg would be easier.

 

[tyger4x]

its life circle  they are equally important and non is first before the other .

[BADecker]

its life circle  they are equally important and non is first before the other .

They both popped into existence at the same time?     

[criptix]

Such fucking smart people here.
I bet everyone posting before me must be a nobel prize laureate with 200+ iq

[Jacko234]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Of course my answer is chicken because the first created is the creature of his life.
Because there will be no eggs when there is no chicken.

[Bunsomjelican]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I laughed in this question, hahahah. Of course, some said Chicken came from eggs, then other philosophers reason if that so, where does egg comes from? But for me, Egg is the one came first not chicken because we already have that eggs to our body
Just kidding

[SugoiSenpai]

To think logically without a Chicken to nest its egg, it would not reproduce thus it would come to a conclusion that Chicken comes first before the egg. Actually a more better perspective to understand this mystery question is to think, "where do the eggs come from?" This way you'll instantly think of a logical answer which is, the egg came from the Chicken thus in your question, the Chickens came first before the egg.

[Wagenx]

Chicken first 

how woylld have chicken come?

[criptix]

3rd world education came first 

[citizenh-ssd]

Maybe the chicken came along with the egg. Only God can answer this question precisely, because he created this world and thought out all the details that should appear first to continue existence.

[Glorious04]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

If i say egg then i will be asked from where did the egg come from and also the same with chicken it also came from eggs. My answer will be chicken. Because God did not create sperms and eggs to be human being instead He created the first man and woman so i also believe He has not created egg but the chicken.

[Shikaina]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I go for chicken. Eggs were not included in creation only the chicken.

[Lumining]

When you have no other choice than "chicken" and "egg", the answer is the egg, because it contains the DNA. No DNA, no chicken.

[Vod]

Humans, animals and other living organisms comes first in this world. God created all matter that includes animals like chicken. Chicken comes first if we based on the book of Genesis. It is impossible to think that egg comes first because egg come from chicken because chicken come from God. So chicken comes first.

lol

The egg came first, because all chickens must come from the egg.

All eggs must not come from the chicken.  A non-chicken laid a mutated egg that hatched into a chicken.

It's simple when you are not brainwashed with fairy tales.

[BADecker]

Humans, animals and other living organisms comes first in this world. God created all matter that includes animals like chicken. Chicken comes first if we based on the book of Genesis. It is impossible to think that egg comes first because egg come from chicken because chicken come from God. So chicken comes first.

lol

The egg came first, because all chickens must come from the egg.

All eggs must not come from the chicken.  A non-chicken laid a mutated egg that hatched into a chicken.

It's simple when you are not brainwashed with fairy tales.

The chicken came first in the creation.

No mutations exist that can turn from one species to another.

[Lumining]

Humans, animals and other living organisms comes first in this world. God created all matter that includes animals like chicken. Chicken comes first if we based on the book of Genesis. It is impossible to think that egg comes first because egg come from chicken because chicken come from God. So chicken comes first.

lol

The egg came first, because all chickens must come from the egg.

All eggs must not come from the chicken.  A non-chicken laid a mutated egg that hatched into a chicken.

It's simple when you are not brainwashed with fairy tales.

The chicken came first in the creation.

No mutations exist that can turn from one species to another.

A dinosaur which looks like a bird might have evolved to a chicken. His DNA changed over millions of years and became closer to the DNA of a chicken and at one point in time the dinosaur laid aan egg containing the DNA closer to a chicken being than to an dinosaur and from there on we call it chicken. So it clearly comes from the egg.

[Vod]

The chicken came first in the creation.

No mutations exist that can turn from one species to another.

Ugh, I wish people wouldn't quote this braindead fool...

We're not talking creation - we are talking facts.

Every time one species evolved into another, mutation was involved.

Again, facts.  

[BADecker]

The chicken came first in the creation.

No mutations exist that can turn from one species to another.

Ugh, I wish people wouldn't quote this braindead fool...

We're not talking creation - we are talking facts.

Every time one species evolved into another, mutation was involved.

Again, facts.  

Thank you.

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutations, evolution is fictional. But the fact of entropy shows that there was a beginning to the universe.

[Vod]

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

The only way you can respond to my facts are with lies? 

Mutations have been observed millions of times.

One only has to look at dogs to see how man's hand has evolved them over time due to mutations.

[BADecker]

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

The only way you can respond to my facts are with lies? 

Mutations have been observed millions of times.

One only has to look at dogs to see how man's hand has evolved them over time due to mutations.

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

All mutations have been programmed by cause and effect, to happen just the way that they happened. All mutations are change, and that is the only thing that "evolution" means... change. There is no change of one species to another. There isn't really even any evidence of such. Evolution in this sense is 100% guesswork.

[Vod]

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

I'll respond only with facts.

When you disregard fairy tales, the egg came first.

No words you can twist will make that statement untrue. 

[BADecker]

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

I'll respond only with facts.

When you disregard fairy tales, the egg came first.

No words you can twist will make that statement untrue. 

The only fact that you are responding with is that you respond with non facts. It is shown in the fact that you avoid stating it directly.

[Vod]

The only fact that you are responding with is that you respond with non facts. It is shown in the fact that you avoid stating it directly.

Wordplay.  I guess that means I win.  :/

You don't really have a rebuttal.  What are you going to say - your fairy tale created the chicken?

Remember, facts only.

[BADecker]

The only fact that you are responding with is that you respond with non facts. It is shown in the fact that you avoid stating it directly.

Wordplay.  I guess that means I win.  :/

You don't really have a rebuttal.  What are you going to say - your fairy tale created the chicken?

Remember, facts only.

Since you want facts only, we need to go back to the fact of the existence of God as shown by science:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Vod]

Since you want facts only, we need to go back to the fact of the existence of God as shown by science:

Science has proven beyond a reasonable doubt your god does not exist.

I'm not interested in reading posts from YOU - you ignore facts for fairy tales.   I'm only interested in facts.

[BADecker]

Since you want facts only, we need to go back to the fact of the existence of God as shown by science:

Science has proven beyond a reasonable doubt your god does not exist.

I'm not interested in reading posts from YOU - you ignore facts for fairy tales.   I'm only interested in facts.

I'll repeat links to the scientific proof that God exists, here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

[Vod]

I'll repeat links to the scientific proof that God exists, here:

Isn't every single one of those links just you spewing out how you interpret your fairy tales?

Doesn't the  mean you know you have nothing, but you'll just be difficult?

Science says the egg came first.

If you have reason to disagree - please enlighten us!  

I'm looking for facts - can you provide any facts?

[BADecker]

I'll repeat links to the scientific proof that God exists, here:

Isn't every single one of those links just you spewing out how you interpret your fairy tales?

Doesn't the  mean you know you have nothing, but you'll just be difficult?

Science says the egg came first.

If you have reason to disagree - please enlighten us!  

I'm looking for facts - can you provide any facts?

In the links I provided, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity show that God exists, and started the universe. Until we get to the point of scientifically contacting God and asking Him about it, there is nothing but conjecture about which came first.

Oh, that's right. God already told us about it in the Bible indirectly. The chicken came first.

[Vod]

In the links I provided, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity show that God exists, and started the universe. Until we get to the point of scientifically contacting God and asking Him about it, there is nothing but conjecture about which came first.

Oh, that's right. God already told us about it in the Bible indirectly. The chicken came first.

You're missing everyone's point.  

All the links you provided, and the bible, are based on a fairy tale.  We want facts.

You can post a million times that god is real and he made the chicken first - but only brainwashed people will believe you.

The rest of us know the egg came first, because we see mutations and evolution happen everyday.  

You have never once seen any evidence of your fairy tale - it's what you believe, not what is real. 

[BADecker]

In the links I provided, cause and effect, entropy, and complexity show that God exists, and started the universe. Until we get to the point of scientifically contacting God and asking Him about it, there is nothing but conjecture about which came first.

Oh, that's right. God already told us about it in the Bible indirectly. The chicken came first.

You're missing everyone's point.  

All the links you provided, and the bible, are based on a fairy tale.  We want facts.

You can post a million times that god is real and he made the chicken first - but only brainwashed people will believe you.

The rest of us know the egg came first, because we see mutations and evolution happen everyday.  

You have never once seen any evidence of your fairy tale - it's what you believe, not what is real. 

No, it is you who are missing the point. Scientific facts (as close as anyone ever comes to facts in science) are found in basic understandings:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complexity;
3. Entropy.

If you don't realize that these are basics underlying all scientific study, you have a long way to go. No wonder you are mixing science up with religion.

[Vod]

If you don't realize that these are basics underlying all scientific study, you have a long way to go. No wonder you are mixing science up with religion.

I am very clear about science vs fairy tales.

One has been proven - the other is in your mind. 

I'd love for you to go back on topic and explain how the chicken came first WITHOUT invoking your fairy tale.

[BADecker]

If you don't realize that these are basics underlying all scientific study, you have a long way to go. No wonder you are mixing science up with religion.

I am very clear about science vs fairy tales.

One has been proven - the other is in your mind. 

I'd love for you to go back on topic and explain how the chicken came first WITHOUT invoking your fairy tale.

All science only understands a tiny fraction of what goes on in the universe. But you can't seem to understand that "things" which is outside of the universe have no explanation in terms that are used within the universe. In other words, the working that set cause and effect into place when there was nothing, is not understandable. Why not? Because we work with universe understanding, not with extra-universe understanding. We can barely grasp the concept of outside-of-the-universe.

[Vod]

All science only understands a tiny fraction of what goes on in the universe. But you can't seem to understand that "things" which is outside of the universe have no explanation in terms that are used within the universe. In other words, the working that set cause and effect into place when there was nothing, is not understandable. Why not? Because we work with universe understanding, not with extra-universe understanding. We can barely grasp the concept of outside-of-the-universe.

We don't understand all, but we do understand something as simple as evolution and mutation.

Science has proven the egg comes first based on our limited observations.   

Science has never proven that creatures just spontaneously created themselves in some fairy tale.

[BADecker]

All science only understands a tiny fraction of what goes on in the universe. But you can't seem to understand that "things" which is outside of the universe have no explanation in terms that are used within the universe. In other words, the working that set cause and effect into place when there was nothing, is not understandable. Why not? Because we work with universe understanding, not with extra-universe understanding. We can barely grasp the concept of outside-of-the-universe.

We don't understand all, but we do understand something as simple as evolution and mutation.

Science has proven the egg comes first based on our limited observations.   

Science has never proven that creatures just spontaneously created themselves in some fairy tale.

Evolution as simple change happens all the time. Mutation happens all the time. Entropy has a name for the combination of these two. That name is devolution. There is no proof for which came first in devolution.

[Vod]

Evolution as simple change happens all the time. Mutation happens all the time.

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

If you lie, you need to have a good memory. 

Yes, mutation and evolution happens all the time.  One only need look at dogs to see such proof in our lifetime.

That is how scientists can show the egg came first.  The animal that laid the egg was not a genetic chicken, but the animal that came out of the egg was.

[BADecker]

Evolution as simple change happens all the time. Mutation happens all the time.

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

If you lie, you need to have a good memory. 

Yes, mutation and evolution happens all the time.  One only need look at dogs to see such proof in our lifetime.

That is how scientists can show the egg came first.  The animal that laid the egg was not a genetic chicken, but the animal that came out of the egg was.

When you take things out of text like this, you are showing that you really don't know what you are talking about, and have to resort to twisting meanings just to feel comfortable with yourself.

[Vod]

When you take things out of text like this, you are showing that you really don't know what you are talking about, and have to resort to twisting meanings just to feel comfortable with yourself.

More wordplay?

I'm not interested.  You claimed the chicken came first - I'm asking for proof without referring to your fairy tale.

Everyone is watching.  I have proved the egg came first based on science.

Up to you now to prove to us why the chicken came first based on what you believe, and nothing else.

[BADecker]

When you take things out of text like this, you are showing that you really don't know what you are talking about, and have to resort to twisting meanings just to feel comfortable with yourself.

More wordplay?

I'm not interested.  You claimed the chicken came first - I'm asking for proof without referring to your fairy tale.

Everyone is watching.  I have proved the egg came first based on science.

Up to you now to prove to us why the chicken came first based on what you believe, and nothing else.

I have shown you the scientific proof that God exists. Yet you want to ignore this basic fact. However, if you accept it, the next step is to discover that the Bible is an impossible-to-exist book. You can see this by studying all the info surrounding how it came into being.

Like evolution, the coming together of a book like the Bible simply doesn't happen. Yet, we have the Bible, for a fact... many copies all over the place. But there is nothing certain about evolution.

[Vod]

I have shown you the scientific proof that God exists.

I am very interested in seeing it!

All that I ask is that is not be tied to your fairy tales.

Until you provide this proof, I will stick with science that says the egg came first.  

[BADecker]

I have shown you the scientific proof that God exists.

I am very interested in seeing it!

All that I ask is that is not be tied to your fairy tales.

Until you provide this proof, I will stick with science that says the egg came first.  

My question is, what fairy tales are you talking about. I have offered no fairy tales.

The scientific proof that God exists is the start to understanding that evolution as the standard evolutionists understands it, is flawed. Why is it flawed? The simple answer is cause and effect programming. This is basic science. Google it. Programming changes the whole idea of evolution.

Entropy suggests devolution rather than evolution.

Your desires are the things that are fictional. Turn to God, so that you can find some hope that has a real foundation.

[Vod]

My question is, what fairy tales are you talking about. I have offered no fairy tales.

When you lie, you need a good memory.  

I am talking about your fairy tale about a god that created the chicken.

Ring a bell, or are you just not interested in debating the truth?

[Lumining]

Since there are no factual "sitings" of evolution mutationa

The only way you can respond to my facts are with lies? 

Mutations have been observed millions of times.

One only has to look at dogs to see how man's hand has evolved them over time due to mutations.

Now, now. Responding as all the deceptive evolutionists will get you nowhere. Didn't you even notice that it was not mutations that I was talking about? Rather, it was evolution mutations.

All mutations have been programmed by cause and effect, to happen just the way that they happened. All mutations are change, and that is the only thing that "evolution" means... change. There is no change of one species to another. There isn't really even any evidence of such. Evolution in this sense is 100% guesswork.

Some time ago, a very intelligent man walked on our earth. His name is Charles Darwin.
He made an expedition to the Galapagos Islands and he found out, that there were turtles whith lots of similarities and with a few differences. He found out that these turtles were ancestors of the same turtle breed. He started his research to find out why however these turtles had different mouths and noses.
His results showed, that a vulcanic erruption many years before his arrival divided the island in two parts. The turtles on the one side of the island could not get to the other side anymore because the magma blocked their way. That's why the turtles in the jungle developed longer necks and sharper mouths, to be able to eat fruits easier. The turtles on the other side of the magma developped flat noses to pick up food from the even rocks and beaches. The turtles had to evolve to be able to survive. Their environment changed and that's why the turtles themselves changed.

Please don't tell me that God made this vulcano explode and that it was planned to cut off the turtles from one side of the island.

Please do some research, especially on this case from Darwin on the Galapagos Islands.
I'd rather believe a man who wrote a book a dozen years ago instead of believing a book that has been written 2000 years ago and which was translated multiple times.

[Mojacko]

The chicken came first.

I do agree chicken came out first before egg, because in the bible saying that man came first and at the story of Noah's arc it never said an egg was save and only animals in partners was in the Noah's arc.

An old fashioned question that most of us is confuse. Because of confusion, scientist butt in in the discussion and do further studies. According to them and their findings, chicken came first.

[Vod]

An old fashioned question that most of us is confuse. Because of confusion, scientist butt in in the discussion and do further studies. According to them and their findings, chicken came first.

Ok newbie, just ignore that facts - are you able to read?  Scientists have said the egg came first. 

[Vod]

Please do some research, especially on this case from Darwin on the Galapagos Islands.
I'd rather believe a man who wrote a book a dozen years ago instead of believing a book that has been written 2000 years ago and which was translated multiple times.

Common sense, right??

The key to enduring badecker is to not argue against his fairy tale, but instead gently try to point him back to the facts.

I have been doing that tonight and in his desperation he tried many tricks - including putting words in my mouth and calling science a fairy tale.

Just gently point out it's all in his head, and point him back to the facts.  Don't try to argue his mental dementia - there are no rules and you will lose.

 

[Lumining]

Vod you're totally right.
I've just seen a thread in the off topic section with the title: Thank you God for...
And of course he posted the same "evidence" of the existence of god in there.

But one thing might be interesting? About which god are we talking about?

In my eyes there's only one god: mother nature. She gives birth to everything and she offers us a perfect environnment. She evolved over millions of years into perfection. Every insect has it's task and every animal lives in complete harmony with nature. Evolution created the perfect nature, which might be very fragile, bit which is balanced by thousands of little influences which all together create an environment in which we're able to live.

God should've told Jesus to preach about climate change so we would not be fucked today.

[Xester]

An old fashioned question that most of us is confuse. Because of confusion, scientist butt in in the discussion and do further studies. According to them and their findings, chicken came first.

Ok newbie, just ignore that facts - are you able to read?  Scientists have said the egg came first. 

I don't believe that egg comes first. I think that chicken comes first because we all know that God created all living things in our world including chicken. Before egg come out there is already chicken. Egg comes from chicken. After that, the cycle between chicken and egg comes out so there is confusion between the two.

[Vod]

I don't believe that egg comes first. I think that chicken comes first because we all know that God created all living things in our world including chicken.

You are wrong.  There are billions of us who don't believe in your fairy tale.

[motiar]

The question is very difficult to answer.But i think very deeply and i am thinking that how an egg come before the chicken.Without a chicken an egg cannot come.So, lastly i want to tell that chicken came first and then egg.I think most of the people will agree with my reply.

[cigaLeider]

Nah its easy!! First comes the egg which is where they come from. And where does that egg come from? Easy, years and years of genetic evolution until the first chicken was born.
There is no programming, only adaptation to the environment

[BADecker]

What they are saying is that they don't really know how evolution works.

What they are indicating is that they don't really even know if there is any evolution in the sense that they are talking. Won't they be surprised when they find that natural selection is really complex programming on a scale of complexity unprecedented.

Meet 'Dark DNA' - The Hidden Genes That May Change How We Think About Evolution

DNA sequencing technology is helping scientists unravel questions that humans have been asking about animals for centuries. By mapping out animal genomes, we now have a better idea of how the giraffe got its huge neck and why snakes are so long. Genome sequencing allows us to compare and contrast the DNA of different animals and work out how they evolved in their own unique ways.

But in some cases we're faced with a mystery. Some animal genomes seem to be missing certain genes, ones that appear in other similar species and must be present to keep the animals alive. These apparently missing genes have been dubbed "dark DNA". And its existence could change the way we think about evolution.

My colleagues and I first encountered this phenomenon when sequencing the genome of the sand rat (Psammomys obesus), a species of gerbil that lives in deserts. In particular we wanted to study the gerbil's genes related to the production of insulin, to understand why this animal is particularly susceptible to type 2 diabetes.

Read more at http://www.sciencealert.com/introducing-dark-dna-the-phenomenon-that-could-change-how-we-think-about-evolution.

[Vod]

What they are saying is that they don't really know how evolution works.

I understand perfectly how evolution works.

Using bold letters and big text does not make your point valid, and you won't win by putting words in my mouth. 

[BADecker]

I don't believe that egg comes first. I think that chicken comes first because we all know that God created all living things in our world including chicken.

You are wrong.  There are billions of us who don't believe in your fairy tale.

No. You are a liar. Just because you don't realize you are telling falsehoods, doesn't make them any less lies.

Cause and effect programming of everything shows that there isn't any mutation, even though some call it mutation. Rather, it is programming. Nothing random about it.

Programming indicates a programmer. Programming on a scale the size of our complex universe indicates God.

[Vod]

No. You are a liar. Just because you don't realize you are telling falsehoods, doesn't make them any less lies.

Ah, so me, and the billions like me that believe in science are liars?   

And you claim an old man filled a boat with two of every animal then killed every human on earth is the truth?

Wake up!  Next argument?

[BADecker]

No. You are a liar. Just because you don't realize you are telling falsehoods, doesn't make them any less lies.

Ah, so me, and the billions like me that believe in science are liars?   

And you claim an old man filled a boat with two of every animal then killed every human on earth is the truth?

Wake up!  Next argument?

Believing something isn't what makes you a liar. Do I have to lead you to the definitions?

What's the matter? Can't get around the most basic of all science laws, so you have to steer the conversation away from it?

What do you have so against God that you don't even want to acknowledge science if it means that you won't see Him by doing so?

[Vod]

Believing something isn't what makes you a liar. Do I have to lead you to the definitions?

Please do.  I'd like to know the definition of "liar" from someone that believes everyone got their different languages when they tried to build the tower of babel.

Remember, I am only interested in facts.  Using recursive arguments (god tells me there is a god) is not proof for anybody.

[BADecker]

Believing something isn't what makes you a liar. Do I have to lead you to the definitions?

Please do.  I'd like to know the definition of "liar" from someone that believes everyone got their different languages when they tried to build the tower of babel.

Remember, I am only interested in facts.  Using recursive arguments (god tells me there is a god) is not proof for anybody.

Please pardon me. I had thought that I was speaking with someone with at least a little knowledge and ability. Check out kindergarten for one of their dictionaries.

[Vod]

Please pardon me. I had thought that I was speaking with someone with at least a little knowledge and ability. Check out kindergarten for one of their dictionaries.

Cool arguement bro!

Can we get back on topic now?

Science has proven a animal genetically close to a chicken laid an egg that was the first chicken.  The egg must come first, as no chicken can exist without the egg.

Can you provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tales?

[BADecker]

Please pardon me. I had thought that I was speaking with someone with at least a little knowledge and ability. Check out kindergarten for one of their dictionaries.

Cool arguement bro!

Can we get back on topic now?

Science has proven a animal genetically close to a chicken laid an egg that was the first chicken.  The egg must come first, as no chicken can exist without the egg.

Can you provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tales?

Again? Are you half blind, paralyzed, almost deaf, and with a hair lip, so that the person who does your forum typing for you can barely understand what you are saying, while you can barely read what is being posted?

[Vod]

Again? Are you half blind, paralyzed, almost deaf, and with a hair lip, so that the person who does your forum typing for you can barely understand what you are saying, while you can barely read what is being posted?

Not again - I'm asking you to provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tale.

All you have managed to post so far is the chicken came first because that is what your parents told you.

Please, to avoid looking like a total fool, post any evidence you have (not related to your fairy tale) that shows your chicken somehow formed outside an egg.

[BADecker]

Again? Are you half blind, paralyzed, almost deaf, and with a hair lip, so that the person who does your forum typing for you can barely understand what you are saying, while you can barely read what is being posted?

Not again - I'm asking you to provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tale.

All you have managed to post so far is the chicken came first because that is what your parents told you.

Please, to avoid looking like a total fool, post any evidence you have (not related to your fairy tale) that shows your chicken somehow formed outside an egg.

I could you ask you to do the same. To what point? since you ignore the most foundational of all science?

[Vod]

I could you ask you to do the same. To what point? since you ignore the most foundational of all science?

Let's make things a bit easier for you.

Don't post any proof.  Just explain in your own words, how a chicken formed without an egg. 

Please don't make any references to a fairy tale - just explain how it could happen.

I'm very interested in how you imagine this works.

[BADecker]

I could you ask you to do the same. To what point? since you ignore the most foundational of all science?

Let's make things a bit easier for you.

Don't post any proof.  Just explain in your own words, how a chicken formed without an egg. 

Please don't make any references to a fairy tale - just explain how it could happen.

I'm very interested in how you imagine this works.

Nobody knows the workings of God, the Programmer. They are outside of the things of this universe. The best we can say is what He has told us... He spoke things into existence as they are.

However, if God had wanted to program the egg to come first, He could have. So, show us how God doesn't exist, when cause and effect says that He does. Show us, also, how there is clear "standard" science knowledge of the chicken/egg question, without taking the fact of the existence of God and His operations into account.

[mklost]

For me the egg because cells joined to form the embryo and its shell to give way to the chicken.

[Vod]

Nobody knows the workings of God, the Programmer. They are outside of the things of this universe. The best we can say is what He has told us... He spoke things into existence as they are.

However, if God had wanted to program the egg to come first, He could have. So, show us how God doesn't exist, when cause and effect says that He does. Show us, also, how there is clear "standard" science knowledge of the chicken/egg question, without taking the fact of the existence of God and His operations into account.

Again, you are referring to your fairy tale.

Can you explain, in your own words, without referring to your fairy tale, how a chicken could form without an egg?

I'm very interested, as I am sure thousands of biologists as well.

Now is your chance to shine!

[BADecker]

Nobody knows the workings of God, the Programmer. They are outside of the things of this universe. The best we can say is what He has told us... He spoke things into existence as they are.

However, if God had wanted to program the egg to come first, He could have. So, show us how God doesn't exist, when cause and effect says that He does. Show us, also, how there is clear "standard" science knowledge of the chicken/egg question, without taking the fact of the existence of God and His operations into account.

Again, you are referring to your fairy tale.

Can you explain, in your own words, without referring to your fairy tale, how a chicken could form without an egg?

I'm very interested, as I am sure thousands of biologists as well.

Now is your chance to shine!

Again, you are referring to your science fiction.

The foundational science of cause and effect proves God. There is no science without God. Chicken/egg science is only such with God. Science says so.

[Vod]

The foundational science of cause and effect proves God. There is no science without God. Chicken/egg science is only such with God. Science says so.

Again, you referenced your fairy tale.   

I think it's safe to assume that without your god, the egg came first.

Do you want to post more about your fantasies and how you created science?

[BADecker]

The foundational science of cause and effect proves God. There is no science without God. Chicken/egg science is only such with God. Science says so.

Again, you referenced your fairy tale.   

I think it's safe to assume that without your god, the egg came first.

Do you want to post more about your fantasies and how you created science?

Are we building our rating up, or what?     

You are talking science fiction when you ignore God in science.

[Vod]

You are talking science fiction when you ignore God in science.

Unless your fairy tale is real, science does not exists.  Got it. 

Now, can anyone argue how a chicken formed without an egg?

[BADecker]

You are talking science fiction when you ignore God in science.

Unless your fairy tale is real, science does not exists.  Got it. 

Now, can anyone argue how a chicken formed without an egg?

By what is know as the Great First Cause to some people.

[Vod]

By what is know as the Great First Cause to some people.

Explain how it works.  Explain how a chicken formed without the egg.

Use science and not your fairy tale.

[Vod]

Apologies to everyone for the long discussions.  I'm honestly trying to help him understand reality.  I know your contributions get lost. 

I'll try and leave the "is my fairy tale real" discussions for the other thread, so in this thread we can discuss the topic.

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first

Anyone else?

[popcorn1]

I said the egg must come first to say oh look there is a chicken for it to the first chicken..

BUT what would happen if it had some kind of accident like this would it then pass it to the next bird..
Let me show you what i mean..

From mullet to math genius after a concussion | New York Post
nypost.com/2014/04/20/how-a-brain-injury-turned-a-college-dropout-into-a-genius/
20 Apr 2014 - Math genius Jason Padgett says that a blow to the back of the head made him ... Flash back 12 years: Padgett had dropped out of Tacoma (Wash.) ... There, two men attacked him from behind, punching him in the back of the ... only pre-algebra in high school, soon became “obsessed with every shape in my ..

would this guy now pass his smartness to his off spring would they be traits in his genes
even though before the accident he wasn't a maths genius ..

So did a bird have a accident and all the other birds said he got chickened 
then when he had a baby it popped out just like him a chickened bird..

I still think the egg BUT it's one way possible how a chicken can be a chicken before it was a chicken..

Fell off it's perch and the other birds said oh no he got chickened and now he is a chicken..

Mentioning chickened ..

What part of a cabbage can you not eat?..

The wheel chair ^^^ ..

[BADecker]

By what is know as the Great First Cause to some people.

Explain how it works.  Explain how a chicken formed without the egg.

Use science and not your fairy tale.

Science has no explanation for the way God made the chicken first. God's methods are beyond science.

However, any scientific explanation explaining why the egg came first, is ... wrong... due to limited scientific understanding. What is this limited scientific understanding? Science proves that God exists and made the universe.

Cause and effect is the way to begin to understand the existence of God, scientifically.

[Vod]

Science has no explanation for the way God made the chicken first. God's methods are beyond science.

All science has proven is that your fairy tale does not exist.

Can we keep this discussion to the other thread please, and let this one be about which came first?

We don't need this back and forth in two threads.

[BADecker]

Science has no explanation for the way God made the chicken first. God's methods are beyond science.

All science has proven is that your fairy tale does not exist.

Can we keep this discussion to the other thread please, and let this one be about which came first?

We don't need this back and forth in two threads.

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

[Vod]

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

We get it - you are brainwashed.  :/

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

[BADecker]

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

We get it - you are brainwashed.  :/

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first
Science: God made the chicken first
Godless scientists: Either way

[Vod]

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

Thank you for the (redundant) update, but your vote can't count as 3. 

[BADecker]

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

Thank you for the (redundant) update, but your vote can't count as 3. 

Poor little Vod. It's so hard to kick against the truth, isn't it? Do you actually have a conscience in there somewhere?

 

[Vod]

Poor little Vod. It's so hard to kick against the truth, isn't it? Do you actually have a conscience in there somewhere?

I understand your need to insult when you are losing.

But don't worry, I've still counted your vote.  

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

[marinomario]

my choice is still chicken first, just as god creates man is adam, he was created directly adult humans instead of babies. But depending on your opinion

[Lumining]

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

We get it - you are brainwashed.  :/

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first
Science: God made the chicken first
Godless scientists: Either way

I'll add my vote to nature developed the DNA (which is transmitted in the egg) until it became a chicken

[Sadlife]

This question has already been answered by scientists an egg cannot be created without a chicken to create it because the proteins which make the egg shells can only be produce by a hen.
Now you know, now we dont to have worry about it and move with our lives cause the problem has already been solve.  All we have to think about is chicken's are really delicious especially fried chicken.
I wonder, why did sciencetist took to long to answer this?

[Vod]

This question has already been answered by scientists an egg cannot be created without a chicken to create it because the proteins which make the egg shells can only be produce by a hen.

You must have misread.  Most animals have eggs - including humans.  Human eggs do not need a hen to create them.  :/

It was an animal genetically close to a chicken that created a mutated egg that became a chicken.

It is the only way to explain without the sky fairy nonsense.

Look at men's height.  Women like tall men, they have more babies with tall men, as a result humans are getting taller.  Evolution in action.  

[Babylon]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I don't think so my answer but i think first creation of god than egg because how to make the egg survive when no hen can maintain and care for it. Imagine if the egg first had some heat they might die or eat other wild animals. Let's say that if the egg lived and became a chick? They will live without the mother who will care for them.They just die and now we have no chicken in our day, right? There are so many questions that we think we have no answer, but we can do it if you can make a way.

[Vod]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I don't think so my answer but i think first creation of god than egg because how to make the egg survive when no hen can maintain and care for it. Imagine if the egg first had some heat they might die or eat other wild animals. Let's say that if the egg lived and became a chick? They will live without the mother who will care for them.They just die and now we have no chicken in our day, right? There are so many questions that we think we have no answer, but we can do it if you can make a way.

The egg would have a protector just like any other egg.  The creature that laid it would care for it.

[BADecker]

There is no example in nature of one species laying an egg that another species hatches out of. Rather, "like begets like." Science has a difficult time of causing DNA changes to a species in a lab without killing it. And this work is so new that we don't know if any of our changes will last.

All ideas of the egg coming before the chicken are speculation. We don't have a clue from the standard science of the day where a chicken or its egg came from... which one came first.

When we combine the basic sciences of cause and effect, with complexity, with entropy, they show that there was a great intelligence of some form that put this whole universe together. What is the logical thing to do when starting a load of different species of creatures? To make the young and let them fend for themselves? Or to make the adult, and let it have children to take care of?

The egg-first idea is entirely without credibility in the real world. Same said for all scientists who think that God doesn't exist.

[Douglasyukanov]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

In my opinion the chicken is ahead of the egg, because God created the living beings who then have offspring and breed.
Chickens breed from the eggs they produce, then they hatch and grow to produce more eggs to multiply.

[immortal7000]

I think that everything was vice versa, the first was the egg. In the process of evolution, some kind of reptile has taken down the egg and from it a chicken-like creature has already hatched, and over time it evolved into a chicken.

[Vod]

There is no example in nature of one species laying an egg that another species hatches out of.

Of course there is.  There are millions, and we see it every day.

Look at dogs - humans have evolved dogs for many generations.

At one point, an animal that wasn't a genetic bulldog gave birth to a mutation that was a genetic bulldog.

We don't need fairy tales to explain science. 

[BADecker]

There is no example in nature of one species laying an egg that another species hatches out of.

Of course there is.  There are millions, and we see it every day.

Look at dogs - humans have evolved dogs for many generations.

At one point, an animal that wasn't a genetic bulldog gave birth to a mutation that was a genetic bulldog.

We don't need fairy tales to explain science. 

There you go with your science fiction. Even if there is a touch of logic to it (which there probably isn't), there is no evidence for what you say ever having happened.

[Vod]

There you go with your science fiction. Even if there is a touch of logic to it (which there probably isn't), there is no evidence for what you say ever having happened.

Of course there is.    You can see the evidence all around you.  Do you have dogs where you live?  Do you see there are more kinds of dogs than the one kind your fairy tale took on his boat before drowning everything else?

Look at horses.  Men have been evolving horses for millennia for our various needs.   You can go to a farm any day and see evolution in action!

There is no evidence for your fairy tales.  There is overwhelming evidence of evolution.

 

[BADecker]

There you go with your science fiction. Even if there is a touch of logic to it (which there probably isn't), there is no evidence for what you say ever having happened.

Of course there is.    You can see the evidence all around you.  Do you have dogs where you live?  Do you see there are more kinds of dogs than the one kind your fairy tale took on his boat before drowning everything else?

Look at horses.  Men have been evolving horses for millennia for our various needs.   You can go to a farm any day and see evolution in action!

There is no evidence for your fairy tales.  There is overwhelming evidence of evolution.

 

Did you ever hear the word "breeding?"

No evolution. Just breeding.

We all know that you know better than that. This is a forum, so there is no requirement for you to speak truthfully.

[Vod]

Did you ever hear the word "breeding?"

Of course!  I understand science well.  Breeding is evolution.

A person takes the genetic parts of a dog he likes, and evolves those into a new type of dog.

The evidence is all around you. 

 

[BADecker]

Did you ever hear the word "breeding?"

Of course!  I understand science well.  Breeding is evolution.

A person takes the genetic parts of a dog he likes, and evolves those into a new type of dog.

The evidence is all around you. 

 

Consider some simple change that has not happened. For example. Your avatar could be upside down, or even sideways. But it isn't. Why not? Because it is a change that hasn't happened. It might happen if you make the change. But so far, there isn't any evidence of it happening.

Same with one species converting into another, or one species laying an egg that turns out to be a different species. So far, those changes, along with the abiogenesis change, are science fiction.

[Vod]

Consider some simple change that has not happened. For example. Your avatar could be upside down, or even sideways. But it isn't. Why not? Because it is a change that hasn't happened. It might happen if you make the change. But so far, there isn't any evidence of it happening.

My avatar is a human creation.  It will not change unless I change it.

We can't say the same about evolution.  While man can control evolution today (through selective breeding and killing), evolution also happens naturally.

After all, it is the reason we exist. 

[BADecker]

Consider some simple change that has not happened. For example. Your avatar could be upside down, or even sideways. But it isn't. Why not? Because it is a change that hasn't happened. It might happen if you make the change. But so far, there isn't any evidence of it happening.

My avatar is a human creation.  It will not change unless I change it.

We can't say the same about evolution.  While man can control evolution today (through selective breeding and killing), evolution also happens naturally.

After all, it is the reason we exist. 

The point isn't your avatar. That was only an example. The point is change. Some changes happen, some potential changes don't. We don't have any evidence for species to species change in nature. And I am not saying that it couldn't happen. Nature is simply so complex that we don't have enough knowledge of how it works to determine if this kind of change took place.

So far that we factually understand, evolution is guesswork. As far as applying science to the chicken/egg question, we don't have enough knowledge to understand which came first, the chicken or the egg. This is where we need to look in a different science direction. We need to look at the science that proves God exists.

If we can scientifically prove that God exists, then we can look at nature as being something that God set up as it is. This changes, entirely, how we consider the question of what came first.

The scientific proof for the existence of God can be found here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

This is basic science. It's the desires of people and scientists that has turned their eyes away from considering it. If you search for it, you can find people discussing these things on the Internet, even though they may not be popular.

[Vod]

If we can scientifically prove that God exists, then we can look at nature as being something that God set up as it is.

Right.  But science cannot prove your fairy tale exists.  That's where it falls apart.  

Science has proven evolution.  I don't know why you are fighting this - you can't refute a fact.

[BADecker]

If we can scientifically prove that God exists, then we can look at nature as being something that God set up as it is.

Right.  But science cannot prove your fairy tale exists.  That's where it falls apart.  

Science has proven evolution.  I don't know why you are fighting this - you can't refute a fact.

The fact that evolution is called a theory, shows that it has not been proven. Even if it were proven possible, it would take a lot more to prove it actually happened in nature.

If you set aside religious details about God, and look only at the basics, science has proven God exists as shown by the science in the links in my previous post.

[Vod]

Billions of people believe in evolution.  It has been proven many times over in countless books that YOU can read and learn from.

There is no proof, other than in your mind, that your fairy tale has any reality.

I understand you have been brainwashed for some time, but even you must admit you are not the smartest person on the planet.   

[Pandu Gleen]

the chicken came first, because God created it. God created all of the animals and one of them was the chicken. There couldn't be an egg until there was a chicken to create an egg. Even believing evolution, there would still have to be a chicken before there could be an egg.

[Vod]

So far every person has voted for the egg, or invoked a fairy tale.

No one can explain how the chicken would come first.

 

Even believing evolution, there would still have to be a chicken before there could be an egg.

You don't have a clue about evolution.  Where would the chicken come from without an egg, in evolution?

[bbcolex]

According to google eggs come first , I graduated with the help of google so I trust google's answer!
End of the debate egg came first

[blackhawkeye1912]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I am convinced that the chickens are ahead of the eggs, God created living things earlier than his descendants, such as Adam and Eve who later gave birth to their offspring, the chicken lay eggs so as to produce the next chicken offspring.

God made everything's Perfect, which means If God made Man He also also created Man's partner which is Eve. Same thing with the other creatures, Therefore, chicken made first than eggs because chicken has a partner which is Hen

[BADecker]

^^^ In addition, it doesn't make sense for God to make the egg first. There would be nothing to raise the new chick that hatched out. God made the chickens first, and probably several of them at the same time.

[Kawasanz]

First place, chicken or egg? chicken
But where did the chicken come from?
Some theories say, the ancestors of chickens created the eggs of the age of Dinosaurs.
"Our discovery is very potential because the eggshell is formed from many small crystals.we can use this information to find out how to create and destroy other crystal structures. "
For example, to remove the crust on the kettles or pipes. The study also has medical implications.
"Because our bodies use the same method to make teeth and bones, we can learn more about how to rebuild human bones."

[Vod]

^^^ In addition, it doesn't make sense for God to make the egg first. There would be nothing to raise the new chick that hatched out. God made the chickens first, and probably several of them at the same time.

Your fairy tale didn't make the egg first.

Nature did.

[rfj]

Chicken. Because God creates animals first, right?

[Vod]

Chicken. Because God creates animals first, right?

Without referring to a fairy tale, explain how a chicken could be born without an egg?

[amazinggonio]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Of course it's the chicken that came first.  It's just what I believe in.  Then egg comes afterwards.

[Vod]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Of course it's the chicken that came first.  It's just what I believe in.  Then egg comes afterwards.

Then explain how a chicken was born without an egg?

[amazinggonio]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Of course it's the chicken that came first.  It's just what I believe in.  Then egg comes afterwards.

Then explain how a chicken was born without an egg?

To be honest I don't know either.  All I know is that chicken came first. Maybe the eggs will not hatch without the hen way back from the existence of living things in this world.

[Vod]

To be honest I don't know either.

We have scientific proof that the egg came first.  Educate yourself, and then you WILL know.   

[amazinggonio]

To be honest I don't know either.

We have scientific proof that the egg came first.  Educate yourself, and then you WILL know.   

Okay thanks I will. 

[Vod]

To be honest I don't know either.

We have scientific proof that the egg came first.  Educate yourself, and then you WILL know.   

Okay thanks I will. 

It is refreshing to see a non-brainwashed response. 

[splendor23]

The egg.
The first chicken, genetically, as we understand it, was born of something that was almost but not quite a chicken.
The first chicken, therefore, was born from an egg laid by an almost but not quite chicken.

[Vod]

The egg.
The first chicken, genetically, as we understand it, was born of something that was almost but not quite a chicken.
The first chicken, therefore, was born from an egg laid by an almost but not quite chicken.

It's not often we see a newbie with common sense. 

[skyrace_]

The chicken came first, according to bible God created animals and humans not egg.

[soulripper]

what come first is the meat and the bakon..haha. it sure taste yummy. what question is more nonsense..

[BADecker]

The egg.
The first chicken, genetically, as we understand it, was born of something that was almost but not quite a chicken.
The first chicken, therefore, was born from an egg laid by an almost but not quite chicken.

It's not often we see a newbie with common sense. 

And we still haven't. Certainly not with splendor23's post. Here's what the solid response is >>> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1917510.msg21537294#msg21537294.

[ndcm]

The chicken.

[dany_]

I'm sure it was chicken that came first.

[dracarys_]

The egg

[basyang]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

     When I was a first year college student, My instructor told us that the first came first, the chicken or the egg was chicken because God did not create eggs. But in scientific explanation the first came was eggs. And I am too curious about it too.

[CasualSam]

After reading through thread I must say this still remains to be mysterious lol.

[Loveydovey04]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I go for chicken. Back in the creation in the Bible i haven't read in there that God created eggs but only animals of all  kinds.

[acener]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

This question has been asked a lot and it's really hard to answer. Who knows what came first, I think that both came first. Evolution did it! Since this thread is a little hilarious, maybe chicken was a different before and it just evolved into a chicken, maybe it was a dragon that evolved.

[arya_]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I've been hearing this question for a decade and ny answer will always be the "chicken came first".

[0Pirats0]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

It has already been said that God created the animals and chickens first which grew into a chicken and a rooster, and then it raced and rushed away. And now we are grateful to all participants of the process, for a delicious and hearty breakfast (scrambled eggs with chicken).

[AlexandrInt]

It all depends on what the person believes in. If he believes in evolution, then it will be long to think that the first has appeared. If he does not believe in the theory of evolution, then the first was a chicken. I think so.

[galestorm]

I think its the chicken that came first for a number of particular reasons. It can be similar to how humans came into place. Humans were fully functioning when brought upon to this world. So, in the case of chickens its the same. Now lets alter the situation.. if by means it existed as an egg then how could it possibly survive? It needs heat and genetic properties to exist. Eggs came from a chicken just like babies came from a fully functioning human

[KhanFelix]

Chicken came first.  Should we call for a voting on tgis in order to conclude onve and for all what came first hahaha

[FiveReels]

Chicken please. Haha.  Undoubtedly.!!!

[SushGo]

Is this right forum to ask such questions ?

Grow Up dude.

[imking]

When you trust in the evolution, it's the egg. Species kept developing into new kind. On some point, an animal that was not yet what we observe as a chicken, laid an egg that contained the primary chicken. If you accept as true in creationism still, the chicken originated first, meanwhile "God" formed entirely the animals, and this contains the original is the chicken.

[Mr.John19]

Chickens might remain the only animal that can produce the protein for a chicken egg but then again does not mean the egg didn’t originate first. It covers the hereditary evidence necessary to “produce” a biologically current chicken.
 

[Papsie]

This old, antique and ancient question is still fun to answer. Of course the chicken is the first because according to bible, God created animals, He did not create foods first.

[MukulTaneja]

studied somewhere that scientist have proved chicken came first because the protein that is used to make eggs and it shells only came from chicken and no where else.so ya chicken came first.

[BADecker]

studied somewhere that scientist have proved chicken came first because the protein that is used to make eggs and it shells only came from chicken and no where else.so ya chicken came first.

Seems that some scientists think that some other animal laid a mutated egg that had a chicken inside - the chicken was the mutation. So, they think that the egg came first. Personally, I think that something like that is belief in magic. But they say it.

[MommyElsa]

Chicken comes first than egg. God created humans and animals.. It never said God created human and eggs.

[Rhosadah]

I say chicken before egg, according to a darwin scientist

[patarfweefwee]

If you consider what paleontologists say. I will answer the egg. Dinosaurs all come from the egg, chickens however came a million or two solid years after that; also the first species on this earth are fishes, fishes lay eggs hence egg came first.

If the question however is "who came first, the chicken or the chicken egg" well that is something to talk about

[tushin4]

If there has been a first man he must have been born without father or mother – which is repugnant to nature. For there could not have been a first egg to give a beginning to birds, or there should have been a first bird which gave a beginning to eggs; for a bird comes from an egg.

[squog]

If you consider what paleontologists say. I will answer the egg. Dinosaurs all come from the egg, chickens however came a million or two solid years after that; also the first species on this earth are fishes, fishes lay eggs hence egg came first.

If the question however is "who came first, the chicken or the chicken egg" well that is something to talk about

arguments really are compelling. i mean what kind of egg are we talking about? fish eggs? insect eggs? lizard eggs? i mean if were talking of only the general "egg" then eggs come first because long dinosaurs evolved to a chicken there are fish eggs and insect eggs, heck even dinosaurs come from eggs.

[moanamakeway]

Yep I totally agree that this ia an age old question. But if you'll be basing your answer  on the Bible, you can conclude that the chicken came first. During the creation, God made the animals before the man. These animals were made to roam around the land.
Even when the time that God will destroy the earth through a flood, He appointed Noah to gather animals by pair and load them on the ark. After the flood, the animals were able to roam around again and procreate and saturate the earth.
It was all chicken. The chicken came first.

[renejean31]

hahaha i remember someone answered that question few years ago. He told me this " the egg comes first before the chicken because the question didn't mention if its the chicken eggs or not, just an egg. Dinosaur comes first before the chicken, dinosaur lay eggs. So the eggs comes first." hahaha he's so funny!!

[GayOfThrones]

The pancake came first.

[mbtc31]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I think both, a chicken with egg. 😂

[spongegar]

Oldest question... But come to think about it, when God created the world with animals in it.. He didn't say let there be an egg. When the flood came down and wiped out everything, Noah didnt have in his ark a pair of eggs. So i guess chicken comes first.

[ici_lemmy]

Oldest question... But come to think about it, when God created the world with animals in it.. He didn't say let there be an egg. When the flood came down and wiped out everything, Noah didnt have in his ark a pair of eggs. So i guess chicken comes first.

agree with you . chicken comes first

[kkent]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

A Chicken hatched out of an egg laid by the precursor species.

[dragonsnapper20]

Egg was first, gave a retarded bird, the parents called it chicken.                                                                                                                              

[Makingmoney2018]

It's chicken that came first.

The chicken, not the egg because the protein which the egg shells is only and can only be produced by a hen. Therefore, an egg can exist only if it has been inside a chicken.

[Haveyouseenthisgirl]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

It depends on your beliefs if you believe in science the egg comes first but if youre believing in bible the chicken comes first.

[yoseph]

As a Christian and a creationist, the thing that i believe is that the Chicken definitely came first and there is a logic as well if the egg came first, who warmed the egg for it to hatch and bring forth the kitchen. You all should think about it.

[salamyman]

First came the farmer. Then the omelette du fromage.

[Vod]

who warmed the egg for it to hatch and bring forth the kitchen. You all should think about it.

The animal that laid the egg?  YOU really need to THINK about it...  :/

[Hennesyy]

An ancient question but still hard to tell who comes first  I think that its chicken,  god created it already.

[MairaObergh]

The egg came first, from another life form slowly evolving into a chicken, from a single cell organism.

[swordling143]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Scientifically speaking, the chicken came first for the very reason that the chicken was able to produce continuously until now there are chickens, correct? The egg on the other hand, just imagine if it came first, the egg will not be able to survive because there's no one to incubate it. Furthermore, there would be no one to feed the chicks if ever they hatched successfully.

[Sithara007]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Chicken. Because the hen evolved out of similar species many millions of years ago (I read somewhere that the chicken evolved out of a particular type of dinosaur!!). The first hen came out of the egg laid by a different species. This hen laid more eggs, which gave birth to other hens. So you can say that the chicken came before the chicken egg.

[covfefe_]

A (different) animal layed its egg and came out a chicken. So is the egg be called the egg of the animal or the chicken?
The embryo inside that egg was of a chicken, though the animal layed it, it was a chicken egg by composition.

[Henz022]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I think Chicken because God created Animals in FirSt evolution

[abanansah]

The egg came first. It was the egg that gave birth to the chicken.

[Calypso Rossi]

Egg came before chicken. It was scientifically discovered last year that egg contains certain compound which is necessary for chicken to be born.

[bitcoinblog]

All the species came first before there next generation medium.

It is very simple to solve actually. Just check human race.

If you say Human evolved from Apes then i guess it is still not correct , as Apes are still there , monkeys chimpanzes .. They look similar to humans but not humans. So as per my own research it is not right to say Humans evolved from Apes. Then from where Human came ?

From same origin Hen came first and then there race 

[Yakult]

Chicken. I think an egg will not be develop alone as it requires warm to hatch.

[MisterPizza90]

I think the chicken comes first.

[dumbfounded22]

Scientists and philosophers believe that the first was an egg, theologians argue with it. Total - 2: 1 - in favor of the egg. From the scientists' point of view, the egg appeared long before the appearance of the hen in the process of evolution, besides, everyone knows that the origin of life occurs in the egg.

[Mahiyaing rosas]

Me and my siblings had argue about it and everyone has different opinion. But for me it's chicken. Chicken comes first. Because egg is from chicken.

[nebuch]

What came first Chicken or Egg is the question have a logical answer but ends to debate in other cases. In my childhood this was an interesting topic and my answer was egg because I thought that time that the egg came first. When my reasoning growth a little bit my answer was Chicken. Chickend came first because there wasn't an egg if there was no Chicken.
Everything that were created came first to the fullness. The reason is to multiply and multiply the numbers of every creation. Until now there are no eggs if no Chicken. . Seems like human the father and mother are the first creation than the children.
The conclusion is Chicken came first.

[BloodLine]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

This question have been devated for a long time but I heard some news that this mind blowing question has already been ended and came up that Chicken came first before the egg.

[saniales]

The chicken came first.

Agree, chickens first, then eggs

[Thepoint]

And what if these both came at the same time,I think that should also be part of the initial approach,In addition, the rooster is also needed so the three could have existed at the same time maybe,by the way which now should be irrelevant.

[princesspoppy]

I think chicken with a nest and eggs on it.

[kylekyle2000]

I think it is the chicken. I believe in the creation story that when God created the world, He also created animals, I mean living animals and not as eggs that needs to be hatched.

[Gdra467]

The EGG came first!!! This answer is in disguise and hiding in plane sight. The egg was there in the beginning and the chicken came out of the egg and the process continued from there.

[locsta123]

the egg.

[xena2]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Chicken. If it is egg, no one or nothing will be able to culture it. It needs a mothers warmth to be able to survive and be such. So it is chicken.

[SKRAAA]

I think it is the chicken. I believe in the creation story that when God created the world, He also created animals, I mean living animals and not as eggs that needs to be hatched.

Do you also think the Earth is flat? Serious question, I am genuinely interested in your opinion about Earth, because you believe that God created the world, not the Big Bang.

[Shimmiry]

The chicken came first because the protein from the eggs  is from the chicken which it really supports the way that chicken came first anr if evernthat the egg came first who did thr warming of the eggs and who raised the chick ? who fed it ?

[mgwm]

Chicken because God create the people and animals before they make eggs or babies 

[paras20]

The chicken came first.

I think comes first is the chicken without chicken theirs no eggs

[Guapongbadoy]

Chicken first and it is already answered by science. And if your second question is how it becomes chicken of it is not came first from egg? The answer for me is God. He created everything. 

[bobitza]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Many people are wondering whether the previous egg or chicken has precedence? If there is no chicken, then how to egg, if there is no egg, how to incubate the ivory. But according to folk there is the proverb: "Eggs that demand more duck than". So from then on I knew the chicken was first, the egg was after.

[Jeepney_koh]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Is your question a personification? But I will share my thoughts on it. Chicken came first before egg. I believe that God created animals in pair. A rooster and a hen to produce an egg. If the egg comes first, then who'll take care the chick. On the other views, maybe people shouldnt think on that anymore because what's more important is that we have chicken meat to cook.

[bernashka]

Scientists and philosophers believe that the first was an egg, theologians argue with it. Total - 2: 1 - in favor of the egg. From the scientists' point of view, the egg appeared long before the appearance of the hen in the process of evolution, besides, everyone knows that the origin of life occurs in the egg.

[Xising]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Well, If we are to answer in reference to the bible, the chicken would be the answer. If I am not mistaken, the Creator made animals in form of adults from the opposite genders in order to procreate. Just like Adam and Eve  were not created as babies.

[randal9]

perhaps something evolved into an egg, and from it already turned chicken...this is my answer

[ichsan ardi]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

ofcourse the egg hahha. in the age of dinosaurs no chicken yet. and dinosaurs multiply by laying eggs. so the egg come first before chicken: v now the question is.. who come first, chicken or chicken eggs?

[KwizatzHaderach]

The egg - probably from a dinosaur. Lol, should start from the very beginning - fishes.

[JCJr222]

Before chickens even evolve many animals 230 million years ago like snakes and reptiles lays egg. Chickens appear just 50 millions years ago. So the answer is egg. There is no debate, It is a fact.

[nagatraju]

Of course, the question "What appeared before?" rather philosophical and rhetorical. But I believe that of course the first was a chicken. This is quite obvious, since a parent must appear in order for the offspring to appear.

[phif3185]

in my opinion, the chicken is first created by the creator and then evolved to produce eggs

[len23]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.
What do you think about it?

Are you sure you are not a little convoluted yourself?  

To the question: Chickens and their eggs came later; it were protozoa that first appeared (I think).

[BADecker]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.
What do you think about it?

Are you sure you are not a little convoluted yourself?  

To the question: Chickens and their eggs came later; it were protozoa that first appeared (I think).

Some of the protozoa were chickens (cowardly). That's why their eggs came later. Convoluted doesn't have anything to do with it.

 

[zoom_rich]

This is one of those silly question that actually has a truth, because one had to come first.

We just have to retrace the steps of how animals evolved I guess. Eggs were being laid before chickens were in the planet.

[chicagobulls]

the egg come first.

[Pussycatdollsexy69]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken, no, the egg, no, the chicken, no, the egg. It's enough to make your head spin right off your neck.
God create the chickens, after that chickens breed the eggs. When the egg hatched, voila! baby chicken born.
Some researches said that egg contains the chemicals/hormone which come from chicken. That's mean, chicken came first. Then the chicken breed the egg. Simple!

[Ginosaur15]

This question about who comes first egg or chicken is really confusing because egg come from chicken and chicken come from egg.  But I read an article online said that eggs shells  have tissue that chicken only produce, so I believe chicken came first.

[wardssents]

I think chicken come first, if no chicken of course there's no egg. Chicken develop egg.

[bryanvillaverio]

or to the first true chicken, there were non-chickens. The DNA changes came about in cells housed in the egg. So the egg came first. In July 2010, British scientists, using a supercomputer, claimed to have come up with the final and definitive answer

I did my effort to Google itbhahahaha.

[CryptoClyde]

I feel like the "chicken" probably would have been an abnormal offspring that hatched from another creature's eggs, continued to reproduce and evolve, until it became the chicken we know today. So I would say that the egg can first.

[truenamek]

Let's conclude that chicken was first for a moment, and evolved from other kind of bird, so pushing this question even further - first bird on earth ever evolved from some other species, and was it able to lay the eggs, or evolved to it by the time? Or maybe first bird on earth ever was born from super egg came from other universe, who knows? It's very hard to answer this question, and in my opinion you can't answer it with full certanity because we are talking about things that happened too long ago to be certain of anything.

[Vod]

But I read an article online said that eggs shells  have tissue that chicken only produce, so I believe chicken came first.

So your dad had sex with a chicken?  Because you came from an egg...

[bibi91011]

The egg came first...the first chicken came from an egg that was laid by something that had almost evolved into a chicken

[S4roZa]

I think cock first and then reproduce by laying eggs.
Without chicken there would be no eggs.

[Vod]

Without chicken there would be no eggs.

All living creatures come from an egg.

[PEG-TOKEN]

They evolved from the sea... 

[Jahson420]

Chicken. God first created all living.

[mydreamforever]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

That's an interesting question . Personally , i think the chicken came first because i think why animals appear ? because animals came first then they produce their products

[rexanLAV]

Neither!
They need a rooster!

[kallen11]

the chicken came first.who will incubate the eggs if its first. and i believe god will not create egg. god created living things first

[posoa]

Definitely it is the chicken that came first,before the chicken began to produce eggs. The process of egg formation takes place within the chicken, without which there will be no chicken.It invariably mean that both the Cock and the Hen were in existence for the possibility of  production of the eggs. It is Chicken that comes  first before the egg.

[Zack14]

It is the chicken that came first . Coz god created animals not an egg . So chicken came first , then they produce an egg . 😁

[Ann Impas]

on the beginning of the world God created man, plants & animals. God first created chicken

[Herdawnia]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

In my opinion, chicken comes first. As simple as Alphabetically arranged. But seriously as God created heaven earth and everything on the 6th day God says "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: " He made animals on the land, it did not state of egg... because egg comes after Chicken gave birth. Funny but I have point right ?

[Mr.Jovetic]

The first was the chicken and it's obvious. Chicken evolved from the previous evolution level.

[Bobthethird]

Tough question. I think the chicken was first (or something similiar to a chicken)

[Simex]

The chicken obviously.

[mrhollis1]

The omelette came first. At least that;s what I;ve heard.

[Yalovtsev]

A very interesting question,as a joke))it does not look from one another appears,well, I think first had the germ,bacterium and so on,and it evolved into a chicken and chicken egg already))

[BADecker]

The egg came first. Here's why. The chicken used egg as a shield, rolling it ahead of her. How do we know? Because the bird in question was "chicken." Only after the eggs hatched out did the chicken become the leader. Government works the same way.

 

[BADecker]

The omelette came first. At least that;s what I;ve heard.

You might be right. After all, I never tried cramming an omelet back into the shell.

 

[sp01_cardo]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Chicken came first, without chicken there will be no egg.

[BADecker]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Chicken came first, without chicken there will be no egg.

But, but, but...

They will say that the egg of another animal (before there were chickens) mutated into the first chicken through evolution. So the egg came first. If they tell you that, you can respond with something like the wood carver carving a log into a chair.

The wood carver chips little chunks of wood off the log, gradually forming it into the chair. At which chip does the log become the chair? Obviously it isn't the first, because the first is only a chip off the log. And it isn't the last, because before the last is only an incomplete chair. Same with the egg. It would take a tremendous number of mutations in the innards of another animal's egg to convert these innards into a chicken.

[Beymax08]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

For me chicken  came first. According to gods creation he created all, ligth & dark, earth, adam and eve, next is animals. Then chicken is first because egg is not animal.simple question need simple answer.

[BADecker]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

For me chicken  came first. According to gods creation he created all, ligth & dark, earth, adam and eve, next is animals. Then chicken is first because egg is not animal.simple question need simple answer.

But the evolutionist has evolution as his religion.   

[kingzues09]

CHicken came first before egg. God created as parents are the one who raise child to feed food,shelthers.

[awuku solomon]

This questions is very serious and funny. A chicken and an egg which one came first? I think the chicken came first to hatch the eggs.

[MGmahesh]

a unique question that makes people curious sapanjang era, I think the first chicken, then lay eggs and it became the generation of chickens until hereditary, if only the eggs existed first, I think the egg has many possibilities, either be chicken, duck, lizard , birds, insect fish and even reptile animals such as crocodiles and snakes.
in another dimension a question between eggs and chickens is a part of the philosophy of science, it can mean a figurative word or majas, in which the philosophy of eggs and chickens will not stop forever as long as thought, so in human affairs think about the reality of life and for what everything that happens in this world, but is a gift and a blessing to be grateful for its existence.

[irenejcolla]

 Egg came first and then hatched the chicken.

[janiirobins]

It's like this, the chicken evolved from something else, but that creature was obviously laying eggs, so the first mutation that we would now call a chicken came from an egg lain by a non-chicken.. Thus therefore, the egg came first.

[taraatedesco]

The chicken came first, because it creates enzymes needed to form the shell of the egg...fact

[tommierijnbout]

The chicken came first because the chicken sits on the egg in order for it to hatch.

[Vod]

The chicken came first, because it creates enzymes needed to form the shell of the egg...fact

All chickens MUST come from eggs.  So they egg HAD to come first.

[mylifeisorandom]

In my opinion, the chicken came first. In the beginning where God made His creations, he didn't made the animals from their infant stages but by their adult stage. The infant animals just came to earth because of mating.

[Lyne01]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Based from the life cycle of a chicken, I believe Chciken come first before egg. If egg comes first, then how will it be hatched without the mother hen? Egg needs the hen in oder for it to grow, and the hen will protect the egg so that it wont be broken.

[Kira Del Rosario]

The chicken came first. Just like in how God created man, He created Adam as an adult already. He did not create man as an infant, and I think this goes the same for all the animals.

[Vod]

The chicken came first.

How did the chicken happen without the egg?   All chickens MUST come from eggs.

[red00]

for me the answer is chicken came first thats the first god created before egg

[Vod]

for me the answer is chicken came first thats the first god created before egg

Do you bozos even bother reading?

All chickens MUST come from eggs.

[synapsisxxx]

Egg came first due to being single celled at one point, since when evolution took place. This question has made a lot of rounds for ages, but fact is evolution started from single cells.

[Enter name]

This has been an issue for a very long time. And to answer this, I am really not sure which comes first.

[kapa6ac]

The first one was chicken brought by aliens, who liked KFC

[camito]

Chicken, no eggs, oh chicken opps i don't no, maybe both, can't they both came at the same time?

[labs0918]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

A funny question but interested and exciting question too. I would choose the chicken comes first because it is like us . God creates us to multiply and God create also chicken to multiply in terms of egg and transform to another chicken.

[BADecker]

It's like this, the chicken evolved from something else, but that creature was obviously laying eggs, so the first mutation that we would now call a chicken came from an egg lain by a non-chicken.. Thus therefore, the egg came first.

The problem with this idea is, the mutation was so small that it is impossible to determine the difference between the critter that laid the egg, and the chicken that hatched out. So, the chicken came first.

The wood carver chips little chunks of wood off the log, gradually forming it into the chair. At which chip does the log become the chair? Obviously it isn't the first, because the first is only a chip off the log. And it isn't the last, because before the last is only an incomplete chair. Same with the egg. It would take a tremendous number of mutations in the innards of another animal's egg to convert these innards into a chicken.

[BADecker]

for me the answer is chicken came first thats the first god created before egg

Do you bozos even bother reading?

All chickens MUST come from eggs.

All chicken eggs MUST come from chickens.    

[BADecker]

Egg came first due to being single celled at one point, since when evolution took place. This question has made a lot of rounds for ages, but fact is evolution started from single cells.

Wrong! See https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2086906.msg27937847#msg27937847.

[meliodas]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

That's a logical question since I was a kid but I always have the same answer, it's the chicken that came first. In the creation, the Lord created the animals. It is written in the bible that God created the animals that produce. I belive thaf chicken came first because nothing will produce it's egg if it didn't exist first

[Clefnick]

I believe it is chicken before egg as parents exist before their children and not the other way round.

[BADecker]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

That's a logical question since I was a kid but I always have the same answer, it's the chicken that came first. In the creation, the Lord created the animals. It is written in the bible that God created the animals that produce. I belive thaf chicken came first because nothing will produce it's egg if it didn't exist first

Correct! But atheists and evolutionists like to argue the opposite, simply because the don't want to believe in God.

[Vod]

All chickens MUST come from eggs.

The egg had to come first, or else we invoke religious magic again - the sky fairy.

[gsarano]

Maybe the question we should be asking is: Which came first, the proto-chicken or the proto-chicken egg? 

[leppyj]

the chicken came before the egg

[Stradivarioos]

I think that the bacteria appeared first. And then the chicken, the egg, the chicken coops, the farms!))

[ayo_deji1]

The chicken came first according to creation.

[BADecker]

I think that the bacteria appeared first. And then the chicken, the egg, the chicken coops, the farms!))

In the later part of day 3, God created plants. In order for plants to live, they need ground bacteria to turn metallic minerals into ionic minerals - humic acid. Metallic minerals kill plants and animals when no bacteria is present to convert them. This means that, even though bacteria is never mentioned, they had to exist before or right along with the plants.

[BADecker]

All chickens MUST come from eggs.

The egg had to come first, or else we invoke religious magic again - the sky fairy.

There probably aren't any sky fairies. God created the first chickens. Then the first chickens laid the first eggs.

[raisulmushfeq]

Chicken came first by evolution of other same kind of species. An egg can not simply appear out of nowhere..

[BADecker]

Chicken came first by evolution of other same kind of species. An egg can not simply appear out of nowhere..

Did the other species die out? No. It is here. It's a different kind of chicken. Our problem is determining which came from which.

Evolution is a hoax.

[basel21]

in my thought hu came first the chicken or the egg.for me is the chicken because jesus christ create all kinds of every living things

[BADecker]

Chicken, no eggs, oh chicken opps i don't no, maybe both, can't they both came at the same time?

Basically, many, many moons ago there was a chicken-like bird. It was genetically close to a chicken but wasn't a full-blown chicken yet. The video calls it a proto-chicken. So proto-hen laid an egg, and proto-rooster fertilized it. But when the genes from ma and pa almost-chicken fused, they combined in a new way, creating a mutation that accidentally made the baby different from its parents. Although it would take millennia for the difference to be noticed, that egg was different enough to become the official progenitor of a new species, now known as... the chicken! So in a nutshell (or an eggshell, if you like), two birds that weren't really chickens created a chicken egg, and hence, we have an answer: The egg came first, and then it hatched a chicken.

If there was a proto-chicken, it must have been a bird, not a proto-anything. Evolution says that everything has a purpose, an advantage for becoming what it became, and existing. It was its own animal.

So, let's say this bird existed. Then it had an egg with a few mutations to modify it a little. Was that bird the chicken, or the next, or the next, or the next, or how far along before you could really call it a chicken?

The genetic modifications in a mutation that would make the change from some other bird to a chicken, are so great that they just don't happen all at once. So which chicken ancestor is not a chicken, but rather some other bird? And at which point do we start calling it a chicken?

Consider the wood carver in this link:

The wood carver chips little chunks of wood off the log, gradually forming it into the chair. At which chip does the log become the chair? Obviously it isn't the first, because the first is only a chip off the log. And it isn't the last, because before the last is only an incomplete chair. Same with the egg. It would take a tremendous number of mutations in the innards of another animal's egg to convert these innards into a chicken.

[markj113]

The genetic modifications in a mutation that would make the change from some other bird to a chicken, are so great that they just don't happen all at once. So which chicken ancestor is not a chicken, but rather some other bird? And at which point do we start calling it a chicken?

Not all chickens are the same even now though.  A quick google revealed there are over 500 different types.

[BADecker]

The genetic modifications in a mutation that would make the change from some other bird to a chicken, are so great that they just don't happen all at once. So which chicken ancestor is not a chicken, but rather some other bird? And at which point do we start calling it a chicken?

Not all chickens are the same even now though.  A quick google revealed there are over 500 different types.

Yes. And when we compare the kinds of differences that are found in a quail to those found in the various varieties of chickens, we see that those kinds of differences are vast.

There is essentially very little difference chicken to chicken. But there are vast differences chicken to quail.

This is more practical thinking, with much greater scope. It makes the whole idea of which came first, chicken or egg, to be a silly question posed by ignorant people.

[eann014]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

That's a logical question since I was a kid but I always have the same answer, it's the chicken that came first. In the creation, the Lord created the animals. It is written in the bible that God created the animals that produce. I belive thaf chicken came first because nothing will produce it's egg if it didn't exist first

Correct! But atheists and evolutionists like to argue the opposite, simply because the don't want to believe in God.

I agree, chicken came first, this is already been answered by the bible already because God really created the animals and not the egg. Duh? Chicken came first and not the egg. It is like Eve and Adam, they don't know everything first before they eat an apple, they are innocent and unembarrassed about their nakedness. However, a serpent deceives Eve into eating fruit from the forbidden tree, and she gives some of the fruit to Adam, that's the reason why they've got an additional knowledge and make them able to know their nakedness. it is also like the chicken they came first before the egg. 

[football998]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

The chicken came first ! Surely . Because I read it from a magazine , I don't think the amazine that write wrong  .

[joniboini]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

The chicken came first ! Surely . Because I read it from a magazine , I don't think the amazine that write wrong  .

and why do you believe what that magazine said?
you just can't believe what others said even if they said it in a magazine, don't you think?

[vicemi]

the farmer

[ShineftChaos]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Egg came first. Because of the DNA changing inside the egg. Scientist used supercomputer to provide proof for this argument. That's why they came up with the answer, egg came first.

[vicemi]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Egg came first. Because of the DNA changing inside the egg. Scientist used supercomputer to provide proof for this argument. That's why they came up with the answer, egg came first.

and how did the egg came to be?
I think there was an entity that evolved to lay eggs in time.
So the answer is NEITHER came first.

[shiki3226]

I think it is the chicken. I believe in the creation story and in God and I am convinced that when God created all things, they were already on their perfect condition. Not eggs, seeds or embryos.

[Leane Lee Natividad Cuenc]

The chicken came first.

Yes chicken came first....it started in chicken before the egg...

[rodrigomagracia]

of course, chicken without chicken there is no egg

[BADecker]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Egg came first. Because of the DNA changing inside the egg. Scientist used supercomputer to provide proof for this argument. That's why they came up with the answer, egg came first.

They didn't add the correct info to the computer for it to make correct calculations.

The quantity and quality of the mutation changes necessary, to change the innards of an egg of one animal to another, are far greater than any that evolution theory suggests could happen. This means that no egg innards can convert from some other creature to a chicken.

[BADecker]

the farmer

But he ate the egg for breakfast.     

[styleblue]

the chicken

[freakingcat]

the cow.
cow and chicken.

[Olivernelson]

I think the chicken came first before the egg.

[Vod]

This means that, even though bacteria is never mentioned, they had to exist before or right along with the plants.

Nonsense.

When you invoke your fairy tale magic, anything can happen.  There are no rules.

[Saksham]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I know this is a tricky question, i used to her it from my uncle when i was a young child but, the answer is that the first was the chicken.

[bravehearth0319]

I think Chicken came first before Egg. it's God creation just like Adam and Eve. they are created by God but built them as a human. So if your going to ask me what came first baby or parents? Psycho reversal ofcourse!

[tuliobrothers]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Chicken comes first,  it stated in the Bible. God created animals not eggs.

[novansantoso]

The protein needed to form hard shells the egg was exclusively NOT found in her ovaries of chicken. So easy concluded that the first, because it’s hard shells eggs can not made without the protein such.

[Andrianla]

This is a classic question I have ever heard from my childhood, I think Chicken first

[pombur]

Very simple and already solved issue.
Depends on your point of view. If we accept the theory of evolution, birds evolved from reptiles. Accordingly, it is an animal that You will agree to call the first bird hatched from eggs, laid reptiles. Conclusion: first there was the egg.
If you accept the theory of creationism, then the issue needs to be forwarded to the Creator. What He created was originally pre - chicken or the egg?

[Bit Tuka]

The chicken of course. I believe in the creation story this I believe that God created animals right away, not the younger versions.

[Algochain]

chicken

[maann23]

I believe it's the chicken, God created all animals wherein they need to multiply.

[mi56374100]

First chicken belongs to birds, and all the birds are evolved from reptiles, and this way of reproducing since amphibian egg to run reptiles evolution had to lay their eggs on land. Whether the chicken evolved from another bird or the reptile evolved directly, the chicken came out of the egg. So we have the egg. And if you ask the chicken or the egg first, you have the chicken first, because only the chicken can produce eggs.

[BADecker]

First chicken belongs to birds, and all the birds are evolved from reptiles, and this way of reproducing since amphibian egg to run reptiles evolution had to lay their eggs on land. Whether the chicken evolved from another bird or the reptile evolved directly, the chicken came out of the egg. So we have the egg. And if you ask the chicken or the egg first, you have the chicken first, because only the chicken can produce eggs.

Except for one major thing. If you have a non-chicken animal that lays an egg, and the egg hatches out a chicken, the number of mutations that would have to happen inside the egg to make this happen, is way beyond what evolution theory suggests.

This cannot happen. We have no theory of such a great number of beneficial mutations to happen in a egg that would make this possible. It can't happen. It is illogical on the face of it.

Besides, since we don't have any evidence of it - certainly no proof - such a thing is only a science fiction story. Find a different story that makes more sense.

[Hendralam18]

I love this question, many people may confuse if get this question 
First I will explain if we think Egg first how the egg will hatched 
So the conclusion was the chicken first than chicken produce egg,
Egg need incubate by the female chicken

[Gotumoot]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

We all know that many people been discussed this kind of issue , and many people been fighting which come first the egg or the chicken , as far as I know chicken come first because chicken created by our God and then comes with an egg that's my theory I guess. We all have various explanation and perspective through this kind of discussion.

[Vod]

Besides, since we don't have any evidence of it - certainly no proof - such a thing is only a science fiction story. Find a different story that makes more sense.

Just because something doesn't jive with your brainwashing doesn't make it untrue.  :/

Proof of evolution is all around us.  Even the major religions are accepting evolution as fact.

You are too dense to understand, so I post this with the hope others will.

[popcorn1]

First chicken belongs to birds, and all the birds are evolved from reptiles, and this way of reproducing since amphibian egg to run reptiles evolution had to lay their eggs on land. Whether the chicken evolved from another bird or the reptile evolved directly, the chicken came out of the egg. So we have the egg. And if you ask the chicken or the egg first, you have the chicken first, because only the chicken can produce eggs.

Except for one major thing. If you have a non-chicken animal that lays an egg, and the egg hatches out a chicken, the number of mutations that would have to happen inside the egg to make this happen, is way beyond what evolution theory suggests.

This cannot happen. We have no theory of such a great number of beneficial mutations to happen in a egg that would make this possible. It can't happen. It is illogical on the face of it.

Besides, since we don't have any evidence of it - certainly no proof - such a thing is only a science fiction story. Find a different story that makes more sense.

the number of mutations that would have to happen inside the egg to make this happen, is way beyond what evolution theory suggests.
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                                          ^
                            SO YOU DO BELIEVE
                                         

I knew one day we would make you better

[BADecker]

Besides, since we don't have any evidence of it - certainly no proof - such a thing is only a science fiction story. Find a different story that makes more sense.

Just because something doesn't jive with your brainwashing doesn't make it untrue.  :/

Proof of evolution is all around us.  Even the major religions are accepting evolution as fact.

You are too dense to understand, so I post this with the hope others will.

Thank you, again, for showing us how mixed up you are. First, this topic isn't about evolution. It's about the chicken or the egg. Second, my post wasn't an evolution or no-evolution post; it was the inconsistency of egg-came-first evolution with current evolution theory.

Go read it again. Those who use current evolution theory to say that the egg came first, are wrong according to current evolution theory. If they make better evolution theory, they might be able to use evolution theory to say the egg came first. Current evolution theory doesn't allow this.

[BADecker]

First chicken belongs to birds, and all the birds are evolved from reptiles, and this way of reproducing since amphibian egg to run reptiles evolution had to lay their eggs on land. Whether the chicken evolved from another bird or the reptile evolved directly, the chicken came out of the egg. So we have the egg. And if you ask the chicken or the egg first, you have the chicken first, because only the chicken can produce eggs.

Except for one major thing. If you have a non-chicken animal that lays an egg, and the egg hatches out a chicken, the number of mutations that would have to happen inside the egg to make this happen, is way beyond what evolution theory suggests.

This cannot happen. We have no theory of such a great number of beneficial mutations to happen in a egg that would make this possible. It can't happen. It is illogical on the face of it.

Besides, since we don't have any evidence of it - certainly no proof - such a thing is only a science fiction story. Find a different story that makes more sense.

the number of mutations that would have to happen inside the egg to make this happen, is way beyond what evolution theory suggests.
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                                          ^
                            SO YOU DO BELIEVE
                                        

I knew one day we would make you better

If you mean that I believe that evolution is reality, no, I don't believe that.

If you mean that I believe that evolution theory is inconsistent with egg-came-first the way it is said in this thread, that is not only believable, but can be easily demonstrated. Here's how.

Punctuated Equilibrium evolution theory was developed, because there is no evidence of a smooth, gradual climb in nature to match standard evolution theory. PE suggests that there were periods of little or no change, followed by periods of great evolutionary change. However, even the periods of great change have no change great enough to mutate the innards of an egg of one animal, into the innards of an egg of another animal.

Egg-came-first is impossible according to any available evolution theory. Does this mean that I believe evolution theory... just because I know something about it? Of course not.

You may have been joking, but if you were serious, you need to see your shrink (again).

[Vod]

Thank you, again, for showing us how mixed up you are.

You are the only person mixed up.  Tried to help you for over a year but you are still asking the most basic of questions answered many times.

You are too dense to understand life is not a fairy tale.  :/

[BADecker]

Thank you, again, for showing us how mixed up you are.

You are the only person mixed up.  Tried to help you for over a year but you are still asking the most basic of questions answered many times.

You are too dense to understand life is not a fairy tale.  :/

Go on out and play with the rest of the children, and let us adults consider chicken/egg questions... since you don't seem to be able to understand enough to stay on topic.

[Vod]

Go on out and play with the rest of the children, and let us adults consider chicken/egg questions... since you don't seem to be able to understand enough to stay on topic

Everyone on the planet is a child.  Only the one with the head in the sand has figured everything out.

:/

[engrdaver]

This old, antique and ancient question is still fun to answer. Of course the chicken is the first because according to bible, God created animals, He did not create foods first.

But chicken itself is food . But I agree that when men were created so were the animals. Eggs are not included among the animal group hence, the chicken came first.

[KnightinPink]

Chicken i gues just think about it god create the first humans in adult form not a baby so im guessing god did the same thing on animals aswell

[BADecker]

This old, antique and ancient question is still fun to answer. Of course the chicken is the first because according to bible, God created animals, He did not create foods first.

But chicken itself is food . But I agree that when men were created so were the animals. Eggs are not included among the animal group hence, the chicken came first.

Besides, all animals were originally domestic. It's only the lack of human control that allows an animal to become wild. Eggs can't be wild or domesticated.

[BADecker]

Go on out and play with the rest of the children, and let us adults consider chicken/egg questions... since you don't seem to be able to understand enough to stay on topic

Everyone on the planet is a child.  Only the one with the head in the sand has figured everything out.

:/

You aren't. You are only an egg.     

[killcoin]

Ancients question it's aged years back.. To me its the chick because that's from origin of creation.

[achikomimi]

That question makes me think though.  Chicken came from egg. Egg came from chicken. And it's so confusing.  I think, chicken comes first. Because according to the story of Noah's Ark, the animals there are mentioned. And no egg was mentioned. So chicken it is. 

[chicagobulls]

the egg come first.

[franzkie345]

Chicken comes first, according to the bible God first created living things such as the animals, he didn't create eggs. So, chicken lays eggs.

[anggoro manise]

Clearly the chicken came first, because without chickens there would be no eggs. Like his stuff man, human (prophet adam) was lowered into the earth with the shape as it is today, without going through the process of the sperm meet in the uterus. So I believe what has been created first by god directly in the form of a form or a physical process, a new once existed there was the process of breed

[BADecker]

But, but, but...

Think of that old movie, "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." I mean, what came first? The tomato or the tomato plant? After all, if killer tomatoes can roll around and kill, why not killer eggs?

 

[LivingDeath]

The chicken came first. Because the egg needs to be held warm. An egg which was absolutely alone could not survive.

[Kuja29]

You cannot have egg's without chicken, so chicken came first!

[Junel]

Many poeple today know not the truth. And when they know the truth as the bibke Say's ye shall know and the truth shall make you free. But because of the hardness of the heart of men to contradict the truth. And the truth is God create the animals and we can't read in the bible that God create egg. So the chicken was first.

[mekie]

Easy this one.. obviously the rooster came first

[KceoH]

Not a standard question, they write on the Internet: for hundreds of years it has been worrying philosophers, scientists and ordinary people. At first glance, the mystery is truly insoluble: after all, any chicken emerged from the egg, which, in turn, was torn down by another chicken. The circle closed, the question hung in the air. However, it seems that at last the world has become one less mystery, and the final answer is given to this question: first the egg appeared after all. And this answer is fully justified both from a scientific and philosophical point of view, and from a purely practical point of view. In the special discussion devoted to solving this problem, a genetic scientist, an expert in the field of philosophy of science and the owner of a poultry farm took part.
My purely personal opinion that all the same there was a Hen, I do not know why .. It's like with a man, God created someone first. not from where did we come from

[BADecker]

Nobody has the answer to this question just by looking at nature.

Evolution is not the answer, because there would have to be too much mutation change to turn the inside of a different animal's egg into a chicken. Science has no other answer than evolution, which is impossible by any evolution theory around today.

Because of this, the answer lies in religion. All the religions that answer this question say that the chicken came first.

[princess.tyche]

Chicken first. Without chicken there will be no egg.

[zedkiel08]

Of course the chicken came first because the egg came chicken. This question has made many people to argue because most said that the egg came first and most also said that tge chicken came first. But literaly we know that chicken came from egg, and the egg came fron chicken.

[s.mahmood]

No one can answer perfectly, either one say first chicken or another say first egg but I think first chicken because egg contains some minarels and camicals which comes from chicken body.So chicken is first.

[Blackmet]

It's really stupid question because doesn't matter what came first matter how many bitcoin do you have man But seriously egg was the first , think about it.

[Maren]

The egg and the chicken come into existence at the same time, when we started using concepts.

[RAMSHIVDEEPAK]

The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.

[setiawan101]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

this question for me is very simple. if you ask chicken or eggs it is definitely chicken first, no chicken where there may be eggs ..

[Claudyah]

eggs can not be produced without the OC-17 contained in the chicken's ovaries. So, this means that the chicken must be earlier than the egg. The chicken and egg puzzles were solved.

[bitcoin27]

for me chicken first  ^_^ because like the human the first is man and woman not a children. if you think who will care the egg if the egg is first came.. how they became chicken if no parent that will care ^_^

[snedyolo]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

Honestly, I feel that it is the chicken. If the egg was the first then there wasn't anyone to take care and hatch the egg, then it wouldn't be able to survive. That's why I am quite sure that the chicken came first. Otherwise, we wouldn't have an animal that we call chicken.

[jimmyvasquez27]

chicken is the first one there. This is because the eggs require a structure of certain proteins that are only produced by hens.

[daiminsho]

Of course its the chicken childrens might be confused with this question

[lovepale]

Even though some answer it already and shares some kinds of ideas. I would share too. Let us imagine for example that egg came first, who will care for the checks.? Who will take care for them? Who will lead and guide them how to eat and how to fly.? And what will be the response when there is predictors.? Nothing if the egg came first. But if Chicken came first is the most acceptable reasons to believe. They can do such things that normal to them. Do some fertilize and create more eggs to become chicken afterwards. So chicken came first.

[parvez01768]

dafinately  chickens will come first  ...and then chicken laid an egg ...

[Nati.Curiosa]

The question is indeed interesting but I cant make my brain to even think about it cos it seems so useless in my life...

[minhnguyen]

why do people have to care so much about this

[BADecker]

A chicken is more expensive than an egg. So the chicken came first, because people always look for a bargain. Then, once all the "cheep" stuff has been bought up, they take the expensive thing that is left.

On the other hand, the cheep stuff is the baby chick that has hatched out of the egg. So the cheep stuff is the chicken rather than the egg.

 

[shahadut_s232]

It is really interesting question for us.I think chicken came first not egg.Because without Parents we can't think Bron children like without chicken we can't think eggs. I think that Allah at first makes everything's a couples. So chicken came first not egg.

[nodtaut7]

Urggghhh... so confusing that I cant answer it

[potterbean5]

May be its the egg from which it hatched and formed a chicken

[Casual89]

Chicken came first in this world,  after that chicken produce an egg

[B4rk4d4]

Some of us believe that the the egg came first but the truth is the chicken came first. Because eggs won't hatch if there is no proteins that will give to the eggs from the chicken.

[oleksandr101]

B нaчaлe пoявилacь кypицa a пoтoм яйцo

[redentor03]

This is the question when I was a kid, if I choose to choose which first I will choose chicken. because We all know that God is the most powerful in the world. He created all living things including us human, animals, and other spheres. so for me  chicken comes first. Because like what I said, God created animals like chicken. This chicken will be pregnant and if it is release the egg will be place in a incubator then when it hatch chicken will form.

[preceptus11]

Chickens came first because I love chicken

[leopard2]

The egg, or why else would they say: Chikun arize. 

[daniel08]

This question is the one that people always ask , whether the chicken or the egg is first to come. In religious way , we all know that god has created everything in this world , with life. So it means that the chicken came first , because the egg is only produce by the chicken. But when scientifically explained , the egg comes first , because the chicken came from the egg itself.

[frank_loop]

In terms of evolution:

The first "chicken" to hatch from an egg would have to be genetically different from its mother.  The mother, therefore was not genetically a chicken when it laid the chicken egg.  The first "chicken" had to come from its egg.  Thus, the egg came before the chicken.  QED.

[LindsayWWW]

I think chickens are the first evolved animal which evolved over the course of time to become a modern chicken

[omarsir]

What an excellent IDEA! Actually we believe that chicken came first then egg. Both are important to. we  can't hatch if we don't get egg as well without a chicken

[James Backer]

 think that there began to appear living beings such as a chicken and then they already started to carry eggs or multiply for the continuation of the genus to create more like themselves.

[GentelMe]

Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The chicken, no, the egg, no, the chicken, no, the egg. It's enough to make your head spin right off your neck.

[annaaf4]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

The egg.

[lawalganiyu]

Yes of course its chicken came first and chicken product egg

[cr_liev]

I've read somewhere, that from the point of evolution, we all came from water: first Amphibia then Reptilia came and then the creatures populated the Earth, and as the Reptilia reproduce through eggs, eggs were the first to come, then the birds.

[Kikir leutik]

this question is very simple but very confusing. but in the environment usually the first is the egg because there are no chicken eggs chicken eggs.
so the first is the egg.

[lancelot0220]

I Don't really know what's came first, if the Chicken or the Egg, but for me the first came that I view is a Egg this is Only I see.

[crazydave]

same thing applies to humans
there was the first male and female and they started Reproduction
if the egg came first who would incubate it till it hatches ?
that means the chiken came first

[tsinelas]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I think eggs comes first. They tend to survive on their own then find their mate. But whichever comes first, it does not matter i think.

[unicorn19]

The Chicken came first, why did the chicken come first? Because of evolution. The chicken had to arise as a species before it could lay chicken eggs. So the so-called hard to answer question is actually quite easy if one has a simple understanding of biology and evolution. If you look at it from a perspective of evolution and genetics the chicken came from an egg however it was not a chicken egg but an egg of its processor, which the chicken had evolved from. Thus the first true chicken egg was laid by the first chicken.

[Levin23]

chicken first.

[jamieasf]

It must be chicken because if the egg came first, there is no hen to provide heat needed by the egg to incubate.

[Littlebunny88]

LOL.
the question has been answered, and the first one is chicken. logically how the eggs exist if the chicken is not there first?

[luckyslw2]

There was the first male and female and they started Reproduction
if the egg came first who would incubate it till it hatches ?
that means the chiken came first.  

[Mariksa]

The chicken came first because God created all animals

[doyyulto]

Which God created first must be the chicken in my opinion, because it was created to develop by way of laying. Male acids fertilize the hens to produce eggs

[Chulahk]

Chicken came first!, isn't it too obvious?
An egg is just a product of a hen and a rooster that have sex together or maybe by some dna-based food used to alter reproduction of a chicken.

Yes you're right. Chicken came first because God created chicken and egg is just produced through reproduction. God created chicken together with the other animal creatures.

[Vod]

Yes you're right. Chicken came first because God created chicken and egg is just produced through reproduction. God created chicken together with the other animal creatures.

Take magic out of the equation and you make no sense.  :/

[cungk84]

chicken first

[Choghonl]

My answer of the said question has two basis scientific and biblical references perhaps in science the answer is chicken because there are proteins in eggs that are only made by hens and someone has to incubate the eggs to which said the chicken came first and the bible also stated that God created animals which chicken is one of them.

Either one of the basis you choose chicken is the one who comes first.

[janecho25]

Definitely the CHICKEN came first than egg.. 

Without chicken,  there will be no egg.  Even in the bible stated,  God created pairs of ANIMALS, it never stated there that God created a pairs of egg...  😅

[gabmen]

Definitely the CHICKEN came first than egg.. 

Without chicken,  there will be no egg.  Even in the bible stated,  God created pairs of ANIMALS, it never stated there that God created a pairs of egg...  😅

Funny how a simple question like this can start an interesting discussion lol. I also believe the chicken came first since there were studies that a certain element required to make an egg can only come from chickens. Lol this can go round and round all day

[eyahia_fahmid]

Of course the chickens first came and the eggs came from the chicken.

[recycleembarrassM]

Chicken. It is the way it all functions.

[Tope559]

The Lord created everything perfectly. He created all animal kinds including we human and He blessed us to multiply. So I think chicken came first.

[BADecker]

^^^ Right. We have no example that we can positively point to where something changed from one kind of living organism into another. But we have countless trillions of examples of each kind producing more of its own kind. God didn't say anything about creating eggs. He only created birds, fish, and animals, and He made people. No eggs. Everything giving reproduction according to their own kind. No conversion from one kind to another kind.

Chicken absolutely came first.

[BADecker]

I'm not sure if your question have been answered in the thread, because i can't i won't read 22 pages -so far.

The obvious answer is: Eggs came first!!!!!
The reason why is: Dinosaurs  laid eggs

 

Look through Genesis chapter 1. God created fowl before He created land animals. The chicken came before the dinosaur, and therefore before the dinosaur egg.

[Sophia Audley]

Chickens might remain the only animal that can produce the protein for a chicken egg but then again does not mean the egg didn’t originate first. It covers the hereditary evidence necessary to “produce” a biologically current chicken.

[Chusnul]

Once upon a time, there was a prehistoric organism that was similar to modern-day chickens. Let's call this organism the pre-chicken. One day, a female pre-chicken catches the eye of a feisty male pre-chicken. After a quick shag, the female pre-chicken lays an egg. Due to a number of biological processes following initial conception (independent assortment, recombination and mutations), the DNA of the fertilised egg is such that the unborn creature can no longer be classified as a pre-chicken. Thus, the egg is a chicken egg. And then the organism that emerges from the egg is a chicken. So the egg came first.

[BADecker]

This whole question, chicken or egg, came about simply to show the stupidity of evolution.

[BADecker]

The chicken came first.

How come do you know that chicken was first to born though ? without the egg the chicken would not be born , this been debate all over the years , it causing a confusion on some people , but nevertheless in my perspective and what i believe is the egg came first.

When anyone tracks the formation and development of the chicken or the egg, he can see that the process is involved and complex. The formation of the chicken inside the egg, shows that the chicken is around even at the same time the egg exists. But when the egg has outgrown its usefulness, it is discarded, and returns into the dust of the earth. However, this ultimately happens to the chicken as well.

The point is, you always have the chicken, even if it is in development inside the egg. But the chicken goes on without the egg, often for more than a decade... sometimes more than two decades.

Since eggs are formed inside of chickens, but there is a new chicken forming inside the egg inside the chicken, chickens form inside chickens. Eggs are simply part of the process of the development of a chicken.

Understanding all this shows that the whole question is moot, and is a distraction from the real question >>> Where do chickens come from in the first place?

[BADecker]

The first was an egg, from which, under the influence of a temperature change or a gene mutation, a chicken appeared in the aftermath of the chicken.

What laid the egg that hatched out as a chicken? Let's, just for argument's sake, say it was a quail that laid the egg. If it was a quail that laid the egg that hatched out into a chicken, there would have to millions upon millions of mutations to convert a quail inside quail egg into a chicken. Evolution theory doesn't allow for that.

Okay, what about a "bird" that was a near chicken, that laid the egg that hatched the chicken out. Well, that "bird" would have to be so extremely near to being a chicken that nobody could tell the difference, anyway.

For example. If a wood sculptor wanted to sculpt a chair out of a log, he starts with the log, and chips a piece of wood out of the log. Then he chips another, and another and another, etc., until the log is a chair. What about the last chip of wood? Was it a chair before he chipped out the last piece of wood? Or was it still a log? How about the previous chip of wood. Actually, where is the point in which the log actually becomes a chair. Right from the start, because you can sit on a log just like you can sit on a chair?

Jokers like Dawkins might suggest that this animal evolved into that. But the mutation "chip" that changes the final animal from the previous animal, is so tiny that you couldn't tell the difference between the two animals. Like begets like, and that is all that we see. We have no example or experience of an animal that has converted from a different animal by mutation "chip." Like begets like. That's all we have experience and example of.

[agus_sna]

This age-old question really has a simple answer. Attempts to answer it, however, and attempts to get around implications of the simple answer are often quite convoluted.

What do you think about it?

I really agree with the eggs, because what?
Because I think the eggs existed at the time of the dinosaurs and hatch in the years after the dinosaurs, so the newly hatched chicks will adjust to the environment and over time the types of chickens appear to arrive at this time.

[BADecker]

Evolution is a story that we have not seen even one, factual example of. There are lots of stories about how it might be true. But there isn't one example of it. All the so-called evidence fits adaptation better then evolution.

God created the chicken before the chicken egg. Since that time, animals - and even plants - have offspring like their parents, not like some other creature.

There are countless billions (trillions?) of examples of like begets like, but not even one of evolution where an animal (be it egg or not) turned into a different animal.

[BADecker]

Nobody has ever found anything other than a chicken in a chicken egg. Since it is a chicken - even though it might be in developmental stages - the whole thing is a chicken, even the egg. This makes the chicken and the egg to have come about at the same time, since the egg is also the chicken in a non-adult chicken form.

The question is an entirely incorrect question.

[Vod]

Definitely the CHICKEN came first than egg.. 

Without chicken,  there will be no egg.  Even in the bible stated,  God created pairs of ANIMALS, it never stated there that God created a pairs of egg...  😅

So where did the chicken come from?

Your fairy tales aside, all chickens MUST come from eggs.  There is no evidence of chickens just spontaneously appearing.

[BADecker]

Definitely the CHICKEN came first than egg..  

Without chicken,  there will be no egg.  Even in the bible stated,  God created pairs of ANIMALS, it never stated there that God created a pairs of egg...  😅

So where did the chicken come from?

Your fairy tales aside, all chickens MUST come from eggs.  There is no evidence of chickens just spontaneously appearing.

Since the egg is only part of the chicken, how can you apply evolution?

In evolution, some other creature must have laid the egg which hatched out a chicken. This is against evolution theory because of the gigantically large number of mutations it would have taken to convert something else into a chicken inside the same egg.

In addition, there would have had to have been two of these conversions at nearly the same time... one a hen, and the other a rooster. This is the only way that future chickens could have come about. We're back to the same old question of evolution or no evolution.

Since we don't have any real evidence for evolution, and since all the evidence that is called evidence for evolution is only a bunch of people (some scientists) talking through their hats, the chicken came first. Why? Because no evidence for evolution means no evolution. Things were created by God, just like the Bible says. Chicken came first.

[Literally_farming_merits]

First came pussy before baby. facking lol.

[BADecker]

First came pussy before baby. facking lol.

But that doesn't answer the question, because the cat would eat the chicken.

 

[BADecker]

What is in an egg? A chicken, of course; a chicken with a shell. So, the question is really, "What came first, the chicken or the chicken?"

This thread is even more idiotic than the flat earth thread.

[Xester]

This is a very popular question; even as a kid this was always being asked by my friends and even older people. But up to now nobody won the argument  this may sound funny but this is very philosophical question in a very funny way.

For me both the egg and the chicken came at the same time.

In the bible you will read in Genesis that God created all living being including animals that flies and walks and that includes the chicken. There was no mention of eggs.

Evolutionist would argue that all living being came from a one celled organism and evolved. In the earlier stage there was no giving birth but it was eggs that were brought by the water creatures before it evolved and steps on land. When those organisms set forth on land and began to evolve that is the era where chickens are found. In this story eggs came first.

But both of the story were no clear evidence and thus there is no saying which came first so to make it fair let us just accept that probably they exist at the same time.

[Unlitinated]

The chicken and it was testy enough in McChicken menu Seriously - the chicken made by God, then another spouse chicken and finally the egg. Or there is another version - the egg was delivered by aliens then the first chicken made selfpregnancy to proceed the chicken being. Sounds realistic?)

[criza]

A question of "what came first, the chicken or egg?" is an issue of discourse since I was a child. And I must admit that until now, I still don't know what the exact answer is and what is the concrete explanation for that. But based on my hypothetical guess, I think that chicken came first. It is for the reason that the egg cannot evolutionize to chicken from different organism or animals. Unlike chicken, it can possibly came from or evolutionized from the other species. And when exposed to a harmful or strange environment, chicken is more likely to survive than the egg. Hence, there can be no chicken to reproduce egg if in the first place, it came from an egg that is so weak to survive.

[Inasal03]

No one can answer this but many peoples have a explanation just like me egg is first how the egg came if theirs no chicken but how is the chicken if their is no egg so i dont know if eeg or chicken.

[adamantasaurus]

chuck norris came first kicked the chicken and got so scared it shot out an egg... OBVI jeeeze

[queenstella]

The chicken was created first.

[BADecker]

Forget it. A chicken egg is simply a chicken with a shell around it. Which came first, the chicken or the chicken?

[Vod]

Referring to biblical reference, chicken came first because why would God create an egg if he can already make an evolved one.

Let's take away fairy tales for a moment, and concentrate on reality.

The egg came first, because all chickens must come from eggs.

Without invoking make believe, how did a chicken appear without being grown in an egg?

[_jshsnts]

Base from the Genesis or the creation of God, animals are one of his creations including the chicken (I guess) and I read some articles that the shell of the egg is made of proteins that the chicken produces. So I think chicken came first .

[BADecker]

Referring to biblical reference, chicken came first because why would God create an egg if he can already make an evolved one.

Let's take away fairy tales for a moment, and concentrate on reality.

The egg came first, because all chickens must come from eggs.

Without invoking make believe, how did a chicken appear without being grown in an egg?

Wrong. All chickens come from chicken eggs, which were laid by the chicken, first.

[AbaraUzo]

Chicken incubates and hatches eggs laid by the same.
In creation, chicken came first before egg.
In evolution chicken came first before egg, as what determines the fact of the matter is that egg must be incubated and hatched, and nothing does this then before science evolution than the chicken.

[ozanaksoy]

There is essentially very little difference chicken to chicken. But there are vast differences chicken to quail.

This is more practical thinking, with much greater scope. It makes the whole idea of which came first, chicken or egg, to be a silly question posed by ignorant people.
 

[cryptowhiz]

The question isn't answerable.
And it doesn't only apply to chicken but rather every living thing
You can say its a miracle from God.
He Planned and created everything the way he wanted to.
So just accept the fact and live on