What Came First, the Chicken or the Egg?

[BADecker]

Please pardon me. I had thought that I was speaking with someone with at least a little knowledge and ability. Check out kindergarten for one of their dictionaries.

Cool arguement bro!

Can we get back on topic now?

Science has proven a animal genetically close to a chicken laid an egg that was the first chicken.  The egg must come first, as no chicken can exist without the egg.

Can you provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tales?

Again? Are you half blind, paralyzed, almost deaf, and with a hair lip, so that the person who does your forum typing for you can barely understand what you are saying, while you can barely read what is being posted?

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[Vod]

Again? Are you half blind, paralyzed, almost deaf, and with a hair lip, so that the person who does your forum typing for you can barely understand what you are saying, while you can barely read what is being posted?

Not again - I'm asking you to provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tale.

All you have managed to post so far is the chicken came first because that is what your parents told you.

Please, to avoid looking like a total fool, post any evidence you have (not related to your fairy tale) that shows your chicken somehow formed outside an egg.

[BADecker]

Again? Are you half blind, paralyzed, almost deaf, and with a hair lip, so that the person who does your forum typing for you can barely understand what you are saying, while you can barely read what is being posted?

Not again - I'm asking you to provide a rebuttal that doesn't invoke your fairy tale.

All you have managed to post so far is the chicken came first because that is what your parents told you.

Please, to avoid looking like a total fool, post any evidence you have (not related to your fairy tale) that shows your chicken somehow formed outside an egg.

I could you ask you to do the same. To what point? since you ignore the most foundational of all science?

[Vod]

I could you ask you to do the same. To what point? since you ignore the most foundational of all science?

Let's make things a bit easier for you.

Don't post any proof.  Just explain in your own words, how a chicken formed without an egg. 

Please don't make any references to a fairy tale - just explain how it could happen.

I'm very interested in how you imagine this works.

[BADecker]

I could you ask you to do the same. To what point? since you ignore the most foundational of all science?

Let's make things a bit easier for you.

Don't post any proof.  Just explain in your own words, how a chicken formed without an egg. 

Please don't make any references to a fairy tale - just explain how it could happen.

I'm very interested in how you imagine this works.

Nobody knows the workings of God, the Programmer. They are outside of the things of this universe. The best we can say is what He has told us... He spoke things into existence as they are.

However, if God had wanted to program the egg to come first, He could have. So, show us how God doesn't exist, when cause and effect says that He does. Show us, also, how there is clear "standard" science knowledge of the chicken/egg question, without taking the fact of the existence of God and His operations into account.

[mklost]

For me the egg because cells joined to form the embryo and its shell to give way to the chicken.

[Vod]

Nobody knows the workings of God, the Programmer. They are outside of the things of this universe. The best we can say is what He has told us... He spoke things into existence as they are.

However, if God had wanted to program the egg to come first, He could have. So, show us how God doesn't exist, when cause and effect says that He does. Show us, also, how there is clear "standard" science knowledge of the chicken/egg question, without taking the fact of the existence of God and His operations into account.

Again, you are referring to your fairy tale.

Can you explain, in your own words, without referring to your fairy tale, how a chicken could form without an egg?

I'm very interested, as I am sure thousands of biologists as well.

Now is your chance to shine!

[BADecker]

Nobody knows the workings of God, the Programmer. They are outside of the things of this universe. The best we can say is what He has told us... He spoke things into existence as they are.

However, if God had wanted to program the egg to come first, He could have. So, show us how God doesn't exist, when cause and effect says that He does. Show us, also, how there is clear "standard" science knowledge of the chicken/egg question, without taking the fact of the existence of God and His operations into account.

Again, you are referring to your fairy tale.

Can you explain, in your own words, without referring to your fairy tale, how a chicken could form without an egg?

I'm very interested, as I am sure thousands of biologists as well.

Now is your chance to shine!

Again, you are referring to your science fiction.

The foundational science of cause and effect proves God. There is no science without God. Chicken/egg science is only such with God. Science says so.

[Vod]

The foundational science of cause and effect proves God. There is no science without God. Chicken/egg science is only such with God. Science says so.

Again, you referenced your fairy tale.   

I think it's safe to assume that without your god, the egg came first.

Do you want to post more about your fantasies and how you created science?

[BADecker]

The foundational science of cause and effect proves God. There is no science without God. Chicken/egg science is only such with God. Science says so.

Again, you referenced your fairy tale.   

I think it's safe to assume that without your god, the egg came first.

Do you want to post more about your fantasies and how you created science?

Are we building our rating up, or what?     

You are talking science fiction when you ignore God in science.

[Vod]

You are talking science fiction when you ignore God in science.

Unless your fairy tale is real, science does not exists.  Got it. 

Now, can anyone argue how a chicken formed without an egg?

[BADecker]

You are talking science fiction when you ignore God in science.

Unless your fairy tale is real, science does not exists.  Got it. 

Now, can anyone argue how a chicken formed without an egg?

By what is know as the Great First Cause to some people.

[Vod]

By what is know as the Great First Cause to some people.

Explain how it works.  Explain how a chicken formed without the egg.

Use science and not your fairy tale.

[Vod]

Apologies to everyone for the long discussions.  I'm honestly trying to help him understand reality.  I know your contributions get lost. 

I'll try and leave the "is my fairy tale real" discussions for the other thread, so in this thread we can discuss the topic.

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first

Anyone else?

[popcorn1]

I said the egg must come first to say oh look there is a chicken for it to the first chicken..

BUT what would happen if it had some kind of accident like this would it then pass it to the next bird..
Let me show you what i mean..

From mullet to math genius after a concussion | New York Post
nypost.com/2014/04/20/how-a-brain-injury-turned-a-college-dropout-into-a-genius/
20 Apr 2014 - Math genius Jason Padgett says that a blow to the back of the head made him ... Flash back 12 years: Padgett had dropped out of Tacoma (Wash.) ... There, two men attacked him from behind, punching him in the back of the ... only pre-algebra in high school, soon became “obsessed with every shape in my ..

would this guy now pass his smartness to his off spring would they be traits in his genes
even though before the accident he wasn't a maths genius ..

So did a bird have a accident and all the other birds said he got chickened 
then when he had a baby it popped out just like him a chickened bird..

I still think the egg BUT it's one way possible how a chicken can be a chicken before it was a chicken..

Fell off it's perch and the other birds said oh no he got chickened and now he is a chicken..

Mentioning chickened ..

What part of a cabbage can you not eat?..

The wheel chair ^^^ ..

[BADecker]

By what is know as the Great First Cause to some people.

Explain how it works.  Explain how a chicken formed without the egg.

Use science and not your fairy tale.

Science has no explanation for the way God made the chicken first. God's methods are beyond science.

However, any scientific explanation explaining why the egg came first, is ... wrong... due to limited scientific understanding. What is this limited scientific understanding? Science proves that God exists and made the universe.

Cause and effect is the way to begin to understand the existence of God, scientifically.

[Vod]

Science has no explanation for the way God made the chicken first. God's methods are beyond science.

All science has proven is that your fairy tale does not exist.

Can we keep this discussion to the other thread please, and let this one be about which came first?

We don't need this back and forth in two threads.

[BADecker]

Science has no explanation for the way God made the chicken first. God's methods are beyond science.

All science has proven is that your fairy tale does not exist.

Can we keep this discussion to the other thread please, and let this one be about which came first?

We don't need this back and forth in two threads.

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

[Vod]

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

We get it - you are brainwashed.  :/

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

[BADecker]

Science has proven that your science fiction is fiction. Science fiction is fun. If it is done up well enough, it is often difficult to see how it is fiction.

We get it - you are brainwashed.  :/

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first

So far:

Vod:  Nature made the egg first through evolution
Badecker:  My god created the chicken first
hachiman13:  The god of the bible created the chicken first
Science: God made the chicken first
Godless scientists: Either way