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Sorry, I made a big mistake.
I was using the primedice api, and when I get the information of a bet, it gives me the SHA encrypted version of the bet, and not the unhashed version.
Not sure why that happens, but I think @stunna should change it so that the unhashed version is sent VIA the API. If for some reason people wanted the hashed version, they can easily do it themselves.
In PD3 the same server seed is used for all of your bets until you ask for it to be changed. If you look at the 3 screenshots in my previous post you'll see that only the nonce (the number at the end of the client seed) changes - the seed is the same. That allows you to be sure there's no funny business going on. In PD2 the server seed changed with every bet you made, which was open to abuse by the site if you didn't change your client seed unpredictably every roll. I made a new version of the verifier script which verifies a range of rolls with a single click: http://jsfiddle.net/qv30b62u/embedded/result/Here it is verifying my 6 rolls - see how it generates the same rolled numbers? 
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August 25, 2014, 07:01:32 PM |
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Sorry, I made a big mistake.
I was using the primedice api, and when I get the information of a bet, it gives me the SHA encrypted version of the bet, and not the unhashed version.
Not sure why that happens, but I think @stunna should change it so that the unhashed version is sent VIA the API. If for some reason people wanted the hashed version, they can easily do it themselves.
In PD3 the same server seed is used for all of your bets until you ask for it to be changed. If you look at the 3 screenshots in my previous post you'll see that only the nonce (the number at the end of the client seed) changes - the seed is the same. That allows you to be sure there's no funny business going on. In PD2 the server seed changed with every bet you made, which was open to abuse by the site if you didn't change your client seed unpredictably every roll. I made a new version of the verifier script which verifies a range of rolls with a single click: http://jsfiddle.net/qv30b62u/embedded/result/Here it is verifying my 6 rolls - see how it generates the same rolled numbers?  Ahhh. Thanks. Sadly that means that I cant really verify all of the rolls automatically. 
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dooglus
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August 25, 2014, 07:05:10 PM |
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Sadly that means that I cant really verify all of the rolls automatically.  I'm not familiar with the PD API, but I expect there is a way to change your server seed using it. So all you would need to do would be to change your seed after every roll, revealing the previous seed. Or you could do that every N rolls instead.
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August 25, 2014, 07:08:13 PM |
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Sadly that means that I cant really verify all of the rolls automatically.  I'm not familiar with the PD API, but I expect there is a way to change your server seed using it. So all you would need to do would be to change your seed after every roll, revealing the previous seed. Or you could do that every N rolls instead. No, I was using using the API for something else  .
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August 26, 2014, 12:57:12 AM |
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Sadly that means that I cant really verify all of the rolls automatically.  I'm not familiar with the PD API, but I expect there is a way to change your server seed using it. So all you would need to do would be to change your seed after every roll, revealing the previous seed. Or you could do that every N rolls instead. No, I was using using the API for something else  . Underground API usage lol.
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August 26, 2014, 04:38:27 AM |
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maybe im wrong but im pretty sure its people like this that got min tip raised, and maybe getting pvp raised. looks like blatent abuse to me
tongats (77.04) beats tongat (8.31) in a 0.00005976 BTC dice duel!
tongat (91.06) beats stongats (66.29) in a 0.00002988 BTC dice duel!
all the same guy. all 3 accounts i would think
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dooglus
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August 26, 2014, 05:31:41 AM |
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maybe im wrong but im pretty sure its people like this that got min tip raised, and maybe getting pvp raised. looks like blatent abuse to me
tongats (77.04) beats tongat (8.31) in a 0.00005976 BTC dice duel!
tongat (91.06) beats stongats (66.29) in a 0.00002988 BTC dice duel!
all the same guy. all 3 accounts i would think
PVP can be used to transfer funds from account to account. If the account that wants to lose uses "L" as its seed and the one that wants to win uses "W" then L rolls 53.81 and W rolls 80.08. If min tip got raised, min PVP should be too, because it's open to abuse in all the same ways.
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August 26, 2014, 05:34:14 AM |
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Sadly that means that I cant really verify all of the rolls automatically.  I'm not familiar with the PD API, but I expect there is a way to change your server seed using it. So all you would need to do would be to change your seed after every roll, revealing the previous seed. Or you could do that every N rolls instead. No, I was using using the API for something else  . Underground API usage lol. Not really. You will see what its for in a few days!
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August 26, 2014, 09:44:02 AM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
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August 26, 2014, 11:19:54 AM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Was actually online watching when I saw you place that one off 10 BTC bet & won. Congratulations!
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August 26, 2014, 11:44:12 AM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Was actually online watching when I saw you place that one off 10 BTC bet & won. Congratulations! Yea, I'm still upset though. I had plans to win the 10 BTC and double for a 20 coin bet. I eventually realized betting $10,000 on a click is retarded. I then cashed-out and rolled a faucet bet to see whether I would have won or not and I rolled a 48 (I would have won as I only ever bet on under 49.5)!
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August 26, 2014, 11:50:16 AM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Was actually online watching when I saw you place that one off 10 BTC bet & won. Congratulations! Yea, I'm still upset though. I had plans to win the 10 BTC and double for a 20 coin bet. I eventually realized betting $10,000 on a click is retarded. I then cashed-out and rolled a faucet bet to see whether I would have won or not and I rolled a 48 (I would have won as I only ever bet on under 49.5)! Jee, you have balls of steel. Can I ask what you would have done had you've lost the bet? Would you have bet again or cut your loses?
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August 26, 2014, 11:52:18 AM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Was actually online watching when I saw you place that one off 10 BTC bet & won. Congratulations! Yea, I'm still upset though. I had plans to win the 10 BTC and double for a 20 coin bet. I eventually realized betting $10,000 on a click is retarded. I then cashed-out and rolled a faucet bet to see whether I would have won or not and I rolled a 48 (I would have won as I only ever bet on under 49.5)! Jee, you have balls of steel. Can I ask what you would have done had you've lost the bet? Would you have bet again or cut your loses? If I were to of lost the 10 or 20 Btc bet, I'd of deposited another 10 and tried to double to 40. If I lost that I'd of been done.
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August 26, 2014, 11:58:53 AM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Wow, nice win, congratulations!
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August 26, 2014, 12:00:10 PM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Was actually online watching when I saw you place that one off 10 BTC bet & won. Congratulations! Yea, I'm still upset though. I had plans to win the 10 BTC and double for a 20 coin bet. I eventually realized betting $10,000 on a click is retarded. I then cashed-out and rolled a faucet bet to see whether I would have won or not and I rolled a 48 (I would have won as I only ever bet on under 49.5)! Jee, you have balls of steel. Can I ask what you would have done had you've lost the bet? Would you have bet again or cut your loses? If I were to of lost the 10 or 20 Btc bet, I'd of deposited another 10 and tried to double to 40. If I lost that I'd of been done. Damn, you like to live dangerously. Are you going to quit now? I think a lot of people who win big sadly try again then lose a lot of it if not all or more. Congrats and hope you can keep hold of it.
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August 26, 2014, 12:22:36 PM |
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I withdrew 20 BTC earlier, and was in my blockchain wallet in under 1 second. So I guess that's the reason cash-outs took as long as they did with me because I wasn't using blockchain. Either way, impressive cash-out time.
Was actually online watching when I saw you place that one off 10 BTC bet & won. Congratulations! Yea, I'm still upset though. I had plans to win the 10 BTC and double for a 20 coin bet. I eventually realized betting $10,000 on a click is retarded. I then cashed-out and rolled a faucet bet to see whether I would have won or not and I rolled a 48 (I would have won as I only ever bet on under 49.5)! Jee, you have balls of steel. Can I ask what you would have done had you've lost the bet? Would you have bet again or cut your loses? If I were to of lost the 10 or 20 Btc bet, I'd of deposited another 10 and tried to double to 40. If I lost that I'd of been done. Damn, you like to live dangerously. Are you going to quit now? I think a lot of people who win big sadly try again then lose a lot of it if not all or more. Congrats and hope you can keep hold of it. I'll still have the occasional dice duel if I can find people to do 0.5+. For now I'll be taking a break though.
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August 26, 2014, 12:48:09 PM |
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Probably a wise idea, though dueling at 0.5 could soon lead to some big losses  . I'll battle you for 0.05 if I ever see you on  .
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August 26, 2014, 02:04:26 PM |
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Probably a wise idea, though dueling at 0.5 could soon lead to some big losses  . I'll battle you for 0.05 if I ever see you on  . Yea, I just hope that doesn't happen lol.
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August 26, 2014, 02:18:17 PM |
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maybe im wrong but im pretty sure its people like this that got min tip raised, and maybe getting pvp raised. looks like blatent abuse to me
tongats (77.04) beats tongat (8.31) in a 0.00005976 BTC dice duel!
tongat (91.06) beats stongats (66.29) in a 0.00002988 BTC dice duel!
all the same guy. all 3 accounts i would think
PVP can be used to transfer funds from account to account. If the account that wants to lose uses "L" as its seed and the one that wants to win uses "W" then L rolls 53.81 and W rolls 80.08. If min tip got raised, min PVP should be too, because it's open to abuse in all the same ways. Yeah i said the same thing , but they want people to be able to try out pvp with anything they have . Luckily its easily noticeable when somebody is abusing it, since pvp outcome is public on pvp chat .
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August 26, 2014, 03:37:25 PM |
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Are people actually abusing the faucet? Is the payout really high enough to make it worthwhile?
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