nahtnam
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March 23, 2014, 05:51:26 PM |
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Guys I'm very upset I deposited .91 earlier, proceeded to roll a few bets and won. I got to .96, planned to get 1btc then cashout. Only 20 rolls or so after my deposit I noticed a bet didn't go through. I decided to bet again and got an error popup. I was forced to refresh the page and continued betting. 12 rolls later after refreshing the page I had lost everything on 80% win chance. If the site had not bugged out, the client seed would have been different and I likely wouldn't have lost. Not very impressed, how can these errors appear out of nowhere? This was all my BTC and I'd just recovered from another big loss I can't believe it. First of all that thinking about if client seed did not changed i woulda won is so slim thinking . Its like saying if i bought another ticket for lottery i woulda won . And for those errors its something to do with ur browser or internet connection, i bet there full day, and leave autobet over night , never got any error. And third, u should never bet more than u can afford to lose. Actually you are wrong, its technically PD's fault. Once the error comes up, you have to refresh the page which resets the seed and the server seed. I was betting 0.045 once and the error came up 3 times. Then on the fourth time I lost because I didnt set a seed. EDIT: The error comes up for me frequently even though I am connected VIA ethernet at 30-50 mbps speeds.
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March 23, 2014, 05:53:14 PM |
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Guys I'm very upset I deposited .91 earlier, proceeded to roll a few bets and won. I got to .96, planned to get 1btc then cashout. Only 20 rolls or so after my deposit I noticed a bet didn't go through. I decided to bet again and got an error popup. I was forced to refresh the page and continued betting. 12 rolls later after refreshing the page I had lost everything on 80% win chance. If the site had not bugged out, the client seed would have been different and I likely wouldn't have lost. Not very impressed, how can these errors appear out of nowhere? This was all my BTC and I'd just recovered from another big loss I can't believe it. First of all that thinking about if client seed did not changed i woulda won is so slim thinking . Its like saying if i bought another ticket for lottery i woulda won . And for those errors its something to do with ur browser or internet connection, i bet there full day, and leave autobet over night , never got any error. And third, u should never bet more than u can afford to lose. Actually you are wrong, its technically PD's fault. Once the error comes up, you have to refresh the page which resets the seed and the server seed. I was betting 0.045 once and the error came up 3 times. Then on the fourth time I lost because I didnt set a seed. U rely believe in that . Every roll is independent . No matter if u change seed or not. That is only superstition .
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 05:54:33 PM |
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Guys I'm very upset I deposited .91 earlier, proceeded to roll a few bets and won. I got to .96, planned to get 1btc then cashout. Only 20 rolls or so after my deposit I noticed a bet didn't go through. I decided to bet again and got an error popup. I was forced to refresh the page and continued betting. 12 rolls later after refreshing the page I had lost everything on 80% win chance. If the site had not bugged out, the client seed would have been different and I likely wouldn't have lost. Not very impressed, how can these errors appear out of nowhere? This was all my BTC and I'd just recovered from another big loss I can't believe it. First of all that thinking about if client seed did not changed i woulda won is so slim thinking . Its like saying if i bought another ticket for lottery i woulda won . And for those errors its something to do with ur browser or internet connection, i bet there full day, and leave autobet over night , never got any error. And third, u should never bet more than u can afford to lose. Actually you are wrong, its technically PD's fault. Once the error comes up, you have to refresh the page which resets the seed and the server seed. I was betting 0.045 once and the error came up 3 times. Then on the fourth time I lost because I didnt set a seed. U rely believe in that . Every roll is independent . No matter if u change seed or not. That is only superstition . My internet connection is fine, primedice gave the error. I really don't think its fair that I was forced to change the client seed and then lose it all so soon after. It's slim thinking yes, but its true. On the old seed I had a string of losses at <80 which I based my all in bet on. It wasn't until after I realised the seed was different, after checking the bet ids. The seed has a massive impact on the result of rolls
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nahtnam
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March 23, 2014, 05:54:45 PM |
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Guys I'm very upset I deposited .91 earlier, proceeded to roll a few bets and won. I got to .96, planned to get 1btc then cashout. Only 20 rolls or so after my deposit I noticed a bet didn't go through. I decided to bet again and got an error popup. I was forced to refresh the page and continued betting. 12 rolls later after refreshing the page I had lost everything on 80% win chance. If the site had not bugged out, the client seed would have been different and I likely wouldn't have lost. Not very impressed, how can these errors appear out of nowhere? This was all my BTC and I'd just recovered from another big loss I can't believe it. First of all that thinking about if client seed did not changed i woulda won is so slim thinking . Its like saying if i bought another ticket for lottery i woulda won . And for those errors its something to do with ur browser or internet connection, i bet there full day, and leave autobet over night , never got any error. And third, u should never bet more than u can afford to lose. Actually you are wrong, its technically PD's fault. Once the error comes up, you have to refresh the page which resets the seed and the server seed. I was betting 0.045 once and the error came up 3 times. Then on the fourth time I lost because I didnt set a seed. U rely believe in that . Every roll is independent . No matter if u change seed or not. That is only superstition . Yes, every roll is independent, BUT changing the seed makes the site ACTUALLY provably fair. If you dont change the seed then the site is not provably fair.
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MICRO
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March 23, 2014, 06:03:07 PM |
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Yes it is provably fair, only if u change seed than u are 100% sure that it is probably fair. But i am pretty sure it is any way, so i never change seed.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 06:09:44 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
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MICRO
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March 23, 2014, 06:17:02 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
Sorry for me that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter what seed is.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 06:17:26 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
Sorry for me that doesn't make any sense. It doesn't matter what seed is. Yes it does
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Dogtanian
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March 23, 2014, 06:22:27 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 06:24:37 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed.
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MICRO
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March 23, 2014, 06:24:53 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. Its all about luck and probability. Every roll independent. Ur seed doesn't remember what u rolled last, if it stays the same, or if it changes, it doesn't matter. Yes it will roll different , but it doesn't matter .
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MICRO
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March 23, 2014, 06:26:16 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 06:28:49 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant.
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alabamafan1
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March 23, 2014, 06:59:34 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 07:01:35 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either. No, because is was their error.
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March 23, 2014, 07:02:37 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either. No, because is was their error. If you want, I'll offer you a 1:1 wager that primedice does not return your BTC from that bet to you. Choose an escrow if interested. Up to 1 BTC bet.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 07:05:36 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either. No, because is was their error. If you want, I'll offer you a 1:1 wager that primedice does not return your BTC from that bet to you. Choose an escrow if interested. Up to 1 BTC bet. I have no bitcoins. Last week I lost 1.39, and was trying to get to 1 btc and call it quits. Now its all gone again most likely because of the error. It was a 80% bet, if the seed was was not force changed a few moments earlier, there's a very high probability I wouldn't have lost.
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March 23, 2014, 07:26:55 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either. No, because is was their error. If you want, I'll offer you a 1:1 wager that primedice does not return your BTC from that bet to you. Choose an escrow if interested. Up to 1 BTC bet. But there's possibility you might have lost too. It's probably your responsibility to check things are as they were before you make the bet. I don't think you're gonna get your money back here.
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spixel
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March 23, 2014, 07:30:39 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either. No, because is was their error. If you want, I'll offer you a 1:1 wager that primedice does not return your BTC from that bet to you. Choose an escrow if interested. Up to 1 BTC bet. But there's possibility you might have lost too. It's probably your responsibility to check things are as they were before you make the bet. I don't think you're gonna get your money back here. I don't want to argue but I really don't see how this is fair. There's nothing for me to have checked. I guess some people just like to argue against the 'sore loser' Primedice's error most likely resulted in me losing over $500 worth of btc. I'm hoping for the best anyway, I appreciate your input but would you think the same if it happened to you?
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nahtnam
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March 23, 2014, 07:38:59 PM |
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I really don't think I lost this bet fairly. The client seed was forced to be changed because of a technical error. I did not realise this happened because of a page reset at the time of betting.
You wouldn't be complaining if you won. You might've lost if no error happened as well. That's not the point, the point is there was a technical error at pd which caused the client seed to be changed. I lost only 12 bets later and had based my bet on previous rolls on the old seed. U based ur bets on previous rolls. Google gamblers fallacy coz that is what that is. And like i said ur seed doesn't remember ur previous rolls even if it stays the same. I will wait for support to reply because there was a technical error at PD. My betting strategy is irrelevant. So question. If that client seed had won with the technical earlier causing the client seed to be changed, would primedice have a right to say "Uh the error caused you to win thus were taking back your bet"? No. And you don't have a leg to stand on either. No, because is was their error. If you want, I'll offer you a 1:1 wager that primedice does not return your BTC from that bet to you. Choose an escrow if interested. Up to 1 BTC bet. But there's possibility you might have lost too. It's probably your responsibility to check things are as they were before you make the bet. I don't think you're gonna get your money back here. I don't want to argue but I really don't see how this is fair. There's nothing for me to have checked. I guess some people just like to argue against the 'sore loser' Primedice's error most likely resulted in me losing over $500 worth of btc. I'm hoping for the best anyway, I appreciate your input but would you think the same if it happened to you? Guys its both PD's fault and Spixels fault. Its PD's fault for tech issues, and Spixels fault for betting in the first place (the house always wins) Thats life.
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