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March 24, 2014, 08:23:44 AM |
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You're saying "if so then ... if so then ..." you can't be sure what you will do when a event is happening. except if you can predict future ofc.
No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters. I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
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March 24, 2014, 09:43:34 AM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument.
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March 24, 2014, 11:50:11 AM |
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If anyone cares..
Had I done the same amount of bets before going all in after the error, my client seed would have been 7446901-0041
With the same server seed (don't know if this would be the same) the resulting roll would have been 50.38 so I would have won. Either way I still don't believe what happened is fair, the error changed the outcome and I don't think anyone can argue with that.
That is in no way true. Ur server seed is different every bet. That WOULD'T BE THE OUTCOME if client seed would been the same.
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March 24, 2014, 12:03:53 PM |
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I figured out what is going to kill me. The suspense of waiting for PD 3. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
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March 24, 2014, 12:19:05 PM |
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I figured out what is going to kill me. The suspense of waiting for PD 3. ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) Try to live just a little bit longer, its VERY close ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) .
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March 24, 2014, 01:12:59 PM Last edit: March 24, 2014, 01:25:52 PM by spixel |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Check the bet id's to see the seed difference https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233153https://primedice.com/modals/bet.html?id=550233760![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYRqo6L0.png&t=665&c=3TK9oIzxZTF-eg)
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March 24, 2014, 01:25:48 PM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Patterns doesn't exist , 3x loss on 80% DOESN'T improve ur chance of wining 4th bet. That is only gamblers fallacy. And it doesn't warn u about seed change, coz it doesn't matter at all. Yes it will change outcome of that bet, but it will not change ur chance of wining that bet. U had same chance of wining it , without seed change or with it. And it had effect only on ur first bet after refresh, was that won or lost ? On bets after that MANY things had effect, but smallest effect had that seed change. Make peace with it already, it was not pd fault u lost that 12th bet. And that is 100% true. U can do provably fair, to prove that and that is it! And i can guarantee u 100% that u will not get ur money back. So just be done with it. I say again i am sorry for ur loss but what u asking here is just ridiculous , and we spammed this thread way to much talking nonsense. What is ur name, or id on pd ?
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March 24, 2014, 01:28:03 PM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Patterns doesn't exist , 3x loss on 80% DOESN'T improve ur chance of wining 4th bet. That is only gamblers fallacy. And it doesn't warn u about seed change, coz it doesn't matter at all. Yes it will change outcome of that bet, but it will not change ur chance of wining that bet. U had same chance of wining it , without seed change or with it. And it had effect only on ur first bet after refresh, was that won or lost ? On bets after that MANY things had effect, but smallest effect had that seed change. Make peace with it already, it was not pd fault u lost that 12th bet. And that is 100% true. U can do provably fair, to prove that and that is it! And i can guarantee u 100% that u will not get ur money back. So just be done with it. I say again i am sorry for ur loss but what u asking here is just ridiculous , and we spammed this thread way to much talking nonsense. What is ur name, or id on pd ? Gamblers fallacy is irrelevant, if the error affected my betting it affected it. Where's the disclaimer saying 'warning we may throw errors on your screen and freeze your betting at any time' If it changes the outcome, the chance is changed... micro your opinion is just wrong. The client seed completely changed the outcome of all my rolls afterwards. I do not know what would have happened if it didn't occur. I likely would have gone all in at 80% at that time.
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March 24, 2014, 01:31:24 PM |
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No I cant tell the future but the outcome would have been different had it not happened (because the seed would not have changed) and that's all that matters.
I had small plans when I deposited and things were going well until the error threw me off and resulted in a quick and nasty bust. Not a fair way for me to have lost my btc.
Whether or not the former seed you used would have won or not is irrelevant. You knowingly took the risk to gamble with your money - and you lost. All that matters is that Stunna did not intentionally cheat you of a win (ie faking results/using known server and client combinations). Unless your claiming that he is not probably fair (ie that the rolls are correct given a specific client and server seed) then you don't have legs to stand on in this argument. But I would not have bet if I knew the seed had been changed so the bets were not fair. There was no mention after the error that it had been changed. Like it says on primedice, the client seed is very important in your roll results. I still have no explanation why this error happened. How do I know it was harmless? It happened at the worst possible time considering my past betting patterns (after 3x loss on 80%) Normally I would go all in at this time but the error just froze my betting. Patterns doesn't exist , 3x loss on 80% DOESN'T improve ur chance of wining 4th bet. That is only gamblers fallacy. And it doesn't warn u about seed change, coz it doesn't matter at all. Yes it will change outcome of that bet, but it will not change ur chance of wining that bet. U had same chance of wining it , without seed change or with it. And it had effect only on ur first bet after refresh, was that won or lost ? On bets after that MANY things had effect, but smallest effect had that seed change. Make peace with it already, it was not pd fault u lost that 12th bet. And that is 100% true. U can do provably fair, to prove that and that is it! And i can guarantee u 100% that u will not get ur money back. So just be done with it. I say again i am sorry for ur loss but what u asking here is just ridiculous , and we spammed this thread way to much talking nonsense. What is ur name, or id on pd ? Gamblers fallacy is irrelevant, if the error affected my betting it affected it. If it changes the outcome, the chance is changed... micro your opinion is just wrong. The client seed completely changed the outcome of all my rolls afterwards. I do not know what would have happened if it didn't occur. I likely would have gone all in at 80% at that time. Micro is right. It changed the outcome, but the chance was still the same. However, this is not the case if primedice is doing this maliciously, which is entirely possible.
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March 24, 2014, 01:31:53 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat. And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
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March 24, 2014, 01:33:07 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
Well we know the result of the roll had 0 chance to win as I lost. But had the error not happened my chance would have been different because it would have been a different roll. Again, where is the explanation for this error and why did it interfere in my betting.
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March 24, 2014, 01:35:43 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
Well we know the result of the roll had 0 chance to win as I lost. But had the error not happened my chance would have been different because it would have been a different roll. Again, where is the explanation for this error and why did it interfere in my betting. No ur chance to win on that bet was 80% not 0, also would been 80% if error did not occur . And in both cases u would have 20% chance to lose, witch is not small chance.
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March 24, 2014, 01:36:07 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
Well we know the result of the roll had 0 chance to win as I lost. But had the error not happened my chance would have been different because it would have been a different roll. Again, where is the explanation for this error and why did it interfere in my betting. No ur chance to win on that bet was 80% not 0, also would been 80% if error did not occur . And in both cases u would have 20% chance to lose, witch is not small chance. And the other question? Which is the one that matters.
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March 24, 2014, 01:36:35 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat. And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
The whole "They can't afford to cheat" mindset is what gets people to lose money. Let me be clear, i am not accusing PD of anything, but people like you that think PD is too big to cheat is part of the problem.
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March 24, 2014, 01:36:49 PM |
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The error affects everyone using the site including me and I lost .135 or so most like my due to error rolls do Zi stop playing until it's fixed because I kept rolling despite the error but if it's gonna keep fucking up I'm keeping my money. You seem to be the only person crying about it. Suck it up and chalk it as a loss cause you were gambling?
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March 24, 2014, 01:41:03 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat. And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
The whole "They can't afford to cheat" mindset is what gets people to lose money. Let me be clear, i am not accusing PD of anything, but people like you that think PD is too big to cheat is part of the problem. Well its simple those who think that site is fair, they play on it, including me. Those who think site is not fair, can go somewhere else, its simple as that. I don't think they cheat, coz if u do the math, of wagered on site they made 3000+ only on house edge. And we all know they make much more than that coz of addicted gamblers who always come back. So i rely think they don't need to cheat , and they don't cheat , its my opinion and i play there and love it. Every body have a choice.
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March 24, 2014, 01:42:40 PM |
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The error affects everyone using the site including me and I lost .135 or so most like my due to error rolls do Zi stop playing until it's fixed because I kept rolling despite the error but if it's gonna keep fucking up I'm keeping my money. You seem to be the only person crying about it. Suck it up and chalk it as a loss cause you were gambling?
I don't want to suck it up because it wasn't a fair loss. I at least want a legitimate explanation for the error and an apology, but I think the right thing to do is refund my deposit since it happened only a minute or 2 after I deposited and affected the outcome dramatically IMO. Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat. And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
The whole "They can't afford to cheat" mindset is what gets people to lose money. Let me be clear, i am not accusing PD of anything, but people like you that think PD is too big to cheat is part of the problem. The error DID happen, and I'm sure the pd tech guys could find out this. Why would I refresh the page otherwise lol
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March 24, 2014, 01:44:51 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat. And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
The whole "They can't afford to cheat" mindset is what gets people to lose money. Let me be clear, i am not accusing PD of anything, but people like you that think PD is too big to cheat is part of the problem. Well its simple those who think that site is fair, they play on it, including me. Those who think site is not fair, can go somewhere else, its simple as that. I don't think they cheat, coz if u do the math, of wagered on site they made 3000+ only on house edge. And we all know they make much more than that coz of addicted gamblers who always come back. So i rely think they don't need to cheat , and they don't cheat , its my opinion and i play there and love it. Every body have a choice. so whats the hurt of giving him back his btc due to the error, if they making tons then why not keep one happy customer happy and give them warning. Darenttt been long time member of the PD community, dont forget that guys, you should stick together not against one another. Cause if some shit happens to you, then whos gonna back you up? ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
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March 24, 2014, 01:47:51 PM |
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PD3 is not yet finished?
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March 24, 2014, 01:48:00 PM |
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Yes it changed outcome BUT NOT UR CHANCE TO WIN!
@RGBkey, i don't think that primedice gives that error to stop u from betting. They can't afford to cheat. And still he cant prove that he got error and not just refreshed page coz he wanted to.
The whole "They can't afford to cheat" mindset is what gets people to lose money. Let me be clear, i am not accusing PD of anything, but people like you that think PD is too big to cheat is part of the problem. Well its simple those who think that site is fair, they play on it, including me. Those who think site is not fair, can go somewhere else, its simple as that. I don't think they cheat, coz if u do the math, of wagered on site they made 3000+ only on house edge. And we all know they make much more than that coz of addicted gamblers who always come back. So i rely think they don't need to cheat , and they don't cheat , its my opinion and i play there and love it. Every body have a choice. so whats the hurt of giving him back his btc due to the error, if they making tons then why not keep one happy customer happy and give them warning. You guys dont know anything of running a business, customer is always right!!! The hurt is that every kid will then come here and cry about some error ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) . U know that he paid some btc to cheaters ![Wink](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/wink.gif) , so now he needs to be rely careful about it. I would never pay that . Even if i know 100% that error did occur, maybe if he lost all in first roll after error , than maybe i would at least think about it. But 12 rolls after. Not a chance !
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