[ANN] CROAT - THE CATALAN ALTCOIN - EGALITARIAN COIN OF THE CATALAN PEOPLE

[eugenekey]

http://i66.tinypic.com/2edusye.jpg
Look at this, out of ~55Mh total network hash rate you have these top miners with the top 1 at 47MH/s. Would you call this EGALITARIAN ? Would you call this healthy? Do you think this can attract more users? Yes, you need much more users than miners but miners are the foundation of the network. Without normal miners but mainly ASIC whales I don't see how it can thrive.

As mentioned by other folks here that forking is a no brainer. Forking for sure makes a healthier coin but does not guarantee an immediate better price. The price of other coins is an outcome of current market. Bashing others does not make croat look better. What's the cost of forking? Fixing things before it's too late is probably priceless. I think the devs are either don't care about the future of croat or just sheer laziness. I can't think of other good reasons unless this is a scam hijacking the will of catalan people from the very beginning.

Look at price of Monero, Electroneum, Graft before and after fork, they are still behind expectations. Electroneum has unusable transactions, Graft costs about 10% of ICO price. Sumo probably forked back to pure original Cryptonight? Who should pay the costs of fork, Mr. Duelo again? We have about 200 of miners and about 2000 people is using Croat Core android ledger. The current software work excelent. What we need is to have far more users than miners.

Miners are people! If you think ASIC is great, good for you! But it stinks for most people. That's why most cn coins forked to ASIC resistant variants.

EGALITARIAN for MINERS or PEOPLE? CROAT is EGALITARIAN. Anybody now can buy 1000 CROATs for around 10 Euro. It is a GREAT oportunity! If You just want to mine CROAT for buying BTC, then CROAT is not for You. Of course it is nonsense to compete with ASIC machines with GPU or CPU. In case You want to earn some CROATs, it is better to mine something else and exchange it to CROATs. I am mining different coins and I am changing them completely to BTC and to CROATs. Difficulty is still rising, so price will go UP. Sooner or later.

I stopped mining when network hashrate went insane. If it was due to popularity that would be fine. However, most of the hash rate came from only a few miners with ~Mh/s each. This is exactly against what they claim to be "EGALITARIAN COIN OF THE CATALAN PEOPLE". As a result, this coin is not gonna get anywhere it was supposed to be(half Euro per croat?) unless they introduce some level of ASIC resistance. We all waited but nothing happened. So good luck holding!

Im holding my croat now. I wait for big exchange 

[spfoo]

Just pulled the last version from github, compiled (on Ubuntu) and got:
"Configuration error: Cannot open configuration file"

Which is correct. There is no config file anywhere. Any example of what the config should contain?  

Update: so there is no config file in github. Only int he Croatcore package.

[ptrs]

Hello, I am affraid, that till now nobody invented EGALITARIAN algoritm. After possible fork to CryptoNightV7, there will be still lot of peaks like this one on the picture, which is probably from Nicehash.

For me DERO is an example of successfull coin which did not forked till now to CN7. The price of DERO is more than 1.5Euro for coin with total supply 18M coins. CROAT has limit of supply 100M coins, so it could cost in the future 30 Eurocents easily. Now is price about 1 eurocent. I think, that the current holders of CROAT could have 3000% of gain in the future. We only need the BIG reliable, secure exchange. This is the reason  why I do not want to sell the single CROAT, which I have.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/dero/btc

and example of unsuccessfull coin fork is Electroneum. Please compare charts for last 60 days. The holders are still loosing value against BTC.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/electroneum

I think, that risk of fork is so high, that it could kill the CROAT completely. But CROAT is child of Mr. Gerard Duelo, it is up to him to consider what to do.

In the last couple of days, someone bought about 0.5M of CROATs on the stocks.exchange. For me it is a promise, that there are still potential investors and the CROAT is on the right path.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2edusye.jpg
Look at this, out of ~55Mh total network hash rate you have these top miners with the top 1 at 47MH/s. Would you call this EGALITARIAN ? Would you call this healthy? Do you think this can attract more users? Yes, you need much more users than miners but miners are the foundation of the network. Without normal miners but mainly ASIC whales I don't see how it can thrive.

As mentioned by other folks here that forking is a no brainer. Forking for sure makes a healthier coin but does not guarantee an immediate better price. The price of other coins is an outcome of current market. Bashing others does not make croat look better. What's the cost of forking? Fixing things before it's too late is probably priceless. I think the devs are either don't care about the future of croat or just sheer laziness. I can't think of other good reasons unless this is a scam hijacking the will of catalan people from the very beginning.

Look at price of Monero, Electroneum, Graft before and after fork, they are still behind expectations. Electroneum has unusable transactions, Graft costs about 10% of ICO price. Sumo probably forked back to pure original Cryptonight? Who should pay the costs of fork, Mr. Duelo again? We have about 200 of miners and about 2000 people is using Croat Core android ledger. The current software work excelent. What we need is to have far more users than miners.

Miners are people! If you think ASIC is great, good for you! But it stinks for most people. That's why most cn coins forked to ASIC resistant variants.

EGALITARIAN for MINERS or PEOPLE? CROAT is EGALITARIAN. Anybody now can buy 1000 CROATs for around 10 Euro. It is a GREAT oportunity! If You just want to mine CROAT for buying BTC, then CROAT is not for You. Of course it is nonsense to compete with ASIC machines with GPU or CPU. In case You want to earn some CROATs, it is better to mine something else and exchange it to CROATs. I am mining different coins and I am changing them completely to BTC and to CROATs. Difficulty is still rising, so price will go UP. Sooner or later.

I stopped mining when network hashrate went insane. If it was due to popularity that would be fine. However, most of the hash rate came from only a few miners with ~Mh/s each. This is exactly against what they claim to be "EGALITARIAN COIN OF THE CATALAN PEOPLE". As a result, this coin is not gonna get anywhere it was supposed to be(half Euro per croat?) unless they introduce some level of ASIC resistance. We all waited but nothing happened. So good luck holding!

Im holding my croat now. I wait for big exchange 

[eugenekey]

I'm sorry.

The unknown hashrate that dero claim to be from healthy private pools has been disturbing in the community. GPU mining with dero has long passed the tipping point of electricity cost that many claim GPU mining is dead for dero. The conversation was when the total hashrate was around 20MH back in march, now the total has is 1.3GH. It became so quiet now in the community. Suddenly so peaceful, people are happy mining now???

Electroneum has been controvertial in their operation too. I won't go into the gory details here since it got more attention from media anyways.

The point is there are shit coins out there that look legit/successful or whatever. Otherwise how and where do scammers scoop money from? They need to draw in lots of sheep and then harvest. Good luck.

Hello, I am affraid, that till now nobody invented EGALITARIAN algoritm. After possible fork to CryptoNightV7, there will be still lot of peaks like this one on the picture, which is probably from Nicehash.

For me DERO is an example of successfull coin which did not forked till now to CN7. The price of DERO is more than 1.5Euro for coin with total supply 18M coins. CROAT has limit of supply 100M coins, so it could cost in the future 30 Eurocents easily. Now is price about 1 eurocent. I think, that the current holders of CROAT could have 3000% of gain in the future. We only need the BIG reliable, secure exchange. This is the reason  why I do not want to sell the single CROAT, which I have.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/price_charts/dero/btc

and example of unsuccessfull coin fork is Electroneum. Please compare charts for last 60 days. The holders are still loosing value against BTC.
https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/electroneum

I think, that risk of fork is so high, that it could kill the CROAT completely. But CROAT is child of Mr. Gerard Duelo, it is up to him to consider what to do.

In the last couple of days, someone bought about 0.5M of CROATs on the stocks.exchange. For me it is a promise, that there are still potential investors and the CROAT is on the right path.

http://i66.tinypic.com/2edusye.jpg
Look at this, out of ~55Mh total network hash rate you have these top miners with the top 1 at 47MH/s. Would you call this EGALITARIAN ? Would you call this healthy? Do you think this can attract more users? Yes, you need much more users than miners but miners are the foundation of the network. Without normal miners but mainly ASIC whales I don't see how it can thrive.

As mentioned by other folks here that forking is a no brainer. Forking for sure makes a healthier coin but does not guarantee an immediate better price. The price of other coins is an outcome of current market. Bashing others does not make croat look better. What's the cost of forking? Fixing things before it's too late is probably priceless. I think the devs are either don't care about the future of croat or just sheer laziness. I can't think of other good reasons unless this is a scam hijacking the will of catalan people from the very beginning.

Look at price of Monero, Electroneum, Graft before and after fork, they are still behind expectations. Electroneum has unusable transactions, Graft costs about 10% of ICO price. Sumo probably forked back to pure original Cryptonight? Who should pay the costs of fork, Mr. Duelo again? We have about 200 of miners and about 2000 people is using Croat Core android ledger. The current software work excelent. What we need is to have far more users than miners.

Miners are people! If you think ASIC is great, good for you! But it stinks for most people. That's why most cn coins forked to ASIC resistant variants.

EGALITARIAN for MINERS or PEOPLE? CROAT is EGALITARIAN. Anybody now can buy 1000 CROATs for around 10 Euro. It is a GREAT oportunity! If You just want to mine CROAT for buying BTC, then CROAT is not for You. Of course it is nonsense to compete with ASIC machines with GPU or CPU. In case You want to earn some CROATs, it is better to mine something else and exchange it to CROATs. I am mining different coins and I am changing them completely to BTC and to CROATs. Difficulty is still rising, so price will go UP. Sooner or later.

I stopped mining when network hashrate went insane. If it was due to popularity that would be fine. However, most of the hash rate came from only a few miners with ~Mh/s each. This is exactly against what they claim to be "EGALITARIAN COIN OF THE CATALAN PEOPLE". As a result, this coin is not gonna get anywhere it was supposed to be(half Euro per croat?) unless they introduce some level of ASIC resistance. We all waited but nothing happened. So good luck holding!

Im holding my croat now. I wait for big exchange 

[Koenig15]

I will support some reports, protection against ASIC will remove the monopoly on CROAT, and manipulating the coin for one person will be harder, and really need a large exchanger, it will give big sales volumes and greater volatility, otherwise the coin will die when the developer's enthusiasm is over ...

[ptrs]

Anyone could manipulate the coin, which has low overal hashrate. From CryptoNightV7 coins only Monero is more immune to peaks caused by miners, which instead of investment into the new HW (btw unprofitable) prefer to buy GPU hashrate from the market. But Monero is another level.

DERO is successful project for users which are HOLDING the coins. Electroneum was successfull till they deceided to fork. Then miners which invested into the ASIC machines took over  DERO mining, so DERO is now successfull. Sumo after unsuccesfull fork to CryptoNight Heavy algo lost all loyal ASIC miners, now is back and is fighting for the ASIC hashrate with DERO and BYTECOIN

The situation was very optimistic during the winter, till CROAT was not on the exchanges... The PR finished, since RATE dropped from "expected" 50 eurocents to 1.. What we need exactly is to have more holders, which prefer to buy and hold CROATs. The FORK to ASIC resistant algo is not the solution for everything.

I will support some reports, protection against ASIC will remove the monopoly on CROAT, and manipulating the coin for one person will be harder, and really need a large exchanger, it will give big sales volumes and greater volatility, otherwise the coin will die when the developer's enthusiasm is over ...

[ptrs]

The price of CROAT is rising just now on the stocks.exchange !!! The rate is now 0.00000197BTC/CROAT
In the last 2 hours about 90000 CROATS was bought.  Since BTC is down, it is a mark, that some investors consider the price of CROAT to be undervalued! HOLD Your CROATs, do not sell Your future so cheap !!!

Anyone could manipulate the coin, which has low overal hashrate. From CryptoNightV7 coins only Monero is more immune to peaks caused by miners, which instead of investment into the new HW (btw unprofitable) prefer to buy GPU hashrate from the market. But Monero is another level.

DERO is successful project for users which are HOLDING the coins. Electroneum was successfull till they deceided to fork. Then miners which invested into the ASIC machines took over  DERO mining, so DERO is now successfull. Sumo after unsuccesfull fork to CryptoNight Heavy algo lost all loyal ASIC miners, now is back and is fighting for the ASIC hashrate with DERO and BYTECOIN

The situation was very optimistic during the winter, till CROAT was not on the exchanges... The PR finished, since RATE dropped from "expected" 50 eurocents to 1.. What we need exactly is to have more holders, which prefer to buy and hold CROATs. The FORK to ASIC resistant algo is not the solution for everything.

I will support some reports, protection against ASIC will remove the monopoly on CROAT, and manipulating the coin for one person will be harder, and really need a large exchanger, it will give big sales volumes and greater volatility, otherwise the coin will die when the developer's enthusiasm is over ...

[spfoo]

So I got the blockchain synced overnight on the daemon (Ubuntu version). The tried opening my wallet (simplewallet) an got this:

2018-Jun-13 12:07:49.123020 ERROR   [BlockchainSynchronizer] Failed to query blocks: NodeErrorCategory:5, Internal node error

I then downloaded the blockchain and tried again with the --data-dir parameter. Same error. I'm using the latest CROATCore package.

Whats up with this? How to fix it?

[ridd]

So I got the blockchain synced overnight on the daemon (Ubuntu version). The tried opening my wallet (simplewallet) an got this:

2018-Jun-13 12:07:49.123020 ERROR   [BlockchainSynchronizer] Failed to query blocks: NodeErrorCategory:5, Internal node error

I then downloaded the blockchain and tried again with the --data-dir parameter. Same error. I'm using the latest CROATCore package.

Whats up with this? How to fix it?

Hi, you can try to download blockchain backup, take a look at this video

https://youtu.be/W_L4lHt-PE4

Latest backups are here https://croatpool.com/blockchain/

Good luck

[spfoo]

So I got the blockchain synced overnight on the daemon (Ubuntu version). The tried opening my wallet (simplewallet) an got this:

2018-Jun-13 12:07:49.123020 ERROR   [BlockchainSynchronizer] Failed to query blocks: NodeErrorCategory:5, Internal node error

I then downloaded the blockchain and tried again with the --data-dir parameter. Same error. I'm using the latest CROATCore package.

Whats up with this? How to fix it?

Hi, you can try to download blockchain backup, take a look at this video

https://youtu.be/W_L4lHt-PE4

Latest backups are here https://croatpool.com/blockchain/

Good luck

Well I tried every possible way but it seems the CLI wallets are not up-to.date. The desktop wallet worked.
 

[ridd]

So I got the blockchain synced overnight on the daemon (Ubuntu version). The tried opening my wallet (simplewallet) an got this:

2018-Jun-13 12:07:49.123020 ERROR   [BlockchainSynchronizer] Failed to query blocks: NodeErrorCategory:5, Internal node error

I then downloaded the blockchain and tried again with the --data-dir parameter. Same error. I'm using the latest CROATCore package.

Whats up with this? How to fix it?

Hi, you can try to download blockchain backup, take a look at this video

https://youtu.be/W_L4lHt-PE4

Latest backups are here https://croatpool.com/blockchain/

Good luck

Well I tried every possible way but it seems the CLI wallets are not up-to.date. The desktop wallet worked.
 

Cli wallet?

You need to start daemon first

Code:

./croatd --config-file configs/croat.conf

And then start simplewallet

Code:

./simplewallet --config-file configs/croat.conf

[XramTJ]

You have a warm heart trying to help people. And using just a personal computer to mine Croat? That's terrific! Very ecological and economical.

[ptrs]

2nd official pool pool.croat.cat should be fixed again... 1th pool croat.pool.cat is far more stable

[psihotoc]

What's new ? Will there be new exchanges for Croats?

[ptrs]

Hello, of course GPU mining is waste of resources for original CryptoNight. But former Dero miners, which did not used Dero only for change to BTC, they are happy now. VERY happy. If You have PC with total of only  1KH/s You can easily mine something else i.e. Monero and then buy  100 CROATs every day.

The ASIC miners, which are on the croat.pool.cat are selling CROAT for very low price. They have currently 10MH/sec together, so difficulty will never drop down. But this also define current bootom price of CROAT which is about 150 Satoshi. It is a very low risk to invest into CROAT. If we will have more ASIC miners (ie. duble of current hashrate), within several weeks, then the price of CROAT will double, so everyone from the HOLDERS will be happy.  Our competitors are now DERO, SUMO, BYTECOIN etc. We only need reliable pools, reliable exchange and nothing else, some PR will be needed..

CPU, GPU mining is over for CROAT. In case of switch to CN7, we will not have more than 1Euro for 1kH/s from CROAT mining. From my point of view, every ASIC miner is welcome. Every Nicehash miner is welcome. Everything which could cause rise of difficulty = rise of PRICE is GOOD. Buying of CROAT on the exchange is GOOD. Every investemnt into the CROAT is GOOD. About 15% of CROATS were premined, so  nobody could make a fortune with laptop only with CROAT even after possible CN7 switch

So I see no sense to switch to CN7 now for present HOLDERS of CROAT. Again for PRESENT HOLDERS. CROAT has no miners currently. Some pools are not able to find a block during the whole day. Currently the risk of switch to CN7 is too high.

Let's count: 15M CROATs premined (DEVs, PR, charity etc), about 25M CROATs mined since 10 Months. It means that about 20M od CROATS were mined by CPU, GPU. Let's say that 2-3Milions of CROATs were mined by ASICs, since CN7 Monero switch and Electroneum CN7 switch. 

Mr. Duelo invested to CROAT too much money end effort. I hope that he is reading this thread.

The finall message for present HOLDers: "Do not sell Your future, HOLD Your CROATs!"

The unknown hashrate that dero claim to be from healthy private pools has been disturbing in the community. GPU mining with dero has long passed the tipping point of electricity cost that many claim GPU mining is dead for dero. The conversation was when the total hashrate was around 20MH back in march, now the total has is 1.3GH. It became so quiet now in the community. Suddenly so peaceful, people are happy mining now???

[spfoo]

So I got the blockchain synced overnight on the daemon (Ubuntu version). The tried opening my wallet (simplewallet) an got this:

2018-Jun-13 12:07:49.123020 ERROR   [BlockchainSynchronizer] Failed to query blocks: NodeErrorCategory:5, Internal node error

I then downloaded the blockchain and tried again with the --data-dir parameter. Same error. I'm using the latest CROATCore package.

Whats up with this? How to fix it?

Hi, you can try to download blockchain backup, take a look at this video

https://youtu.be/W_L4lHt-PE4

Latest backups are here https://croatpool.com/blockchain/

Good luck

Well I tried every possible way but it seems the CLI wallets are not up-to.date. The desktop wallet worked.
 

Cli wallet?

You need to start daemon first

Code:

./croatd --config-file configs/croat.conf

And then start simplewallet

Code:

./simplewallet --config-file configs/croat.conf

Yes I synced the daemon both over the network and from a blockchain snapshot. But I didn't know I needed the conf file for the wallet-clli as well. I just used the --daemon-port parameter and that doesn't work. 

Thanks for the info.

[eugenekey]

ASIC is against decentralization and is exactly the opposite of  EGALITARIAN.

It's ok if you endorse ASIC, please remove the word EGALITARIAN. It just feels disgusting. In fact I'm not sure if all catalan people endorse centralism. Do not call it catalan altcoin! Do not do evil under the name of catalan.

Hello, of course GPU mining is waste of resources for original CryptoNight. But former Dero miners, which did not used Dero only for change to BTC, they are happy now. VERY happy. If You have PC with total of only  1KH/s You can easily mine something else i.e. Monero and then buy  100 CROATs every day.

The ASIC miners, which are on the croat.pool.cat are selling CROAT for very low price. They have currently 10MH/sec together, so difficulty will never drop down. But this also define current bootom price of CROAT which is about 150 Satoshi. It is a very low risk to invest into CROAT. If we will have more ASIC miners (ie. duble of current hashrate), within several weeks, then the price of CROAT will double, so everyone from the HOLDERS will be happy.  Our competitors are now DERO, SUMO, BYTECOIN etc. We only need reliable pools, reliable exchange and nothing else, some PR will be needed..

CPU, GPU mining is over for CROAT. In case of switch to CN7, we will not have more than 1Euro for 1kH/s from CROAT mining. From my point of view, every ASIC miner is welcome. Every Nicehash miner is welcome. Everything which could cause rise of difficulty = rise of PRICE is GOOD. Buying of CROAT on the exchange is GOOD. Every investemnt into the CROAT is GOOD. About 15% of CROATS were premined, so  nobody could make a fortune with laptop only with CROAT even after possible CN7 switch

So I see no sense to switch to CN7 now for present HOLDERS of CROAT. Again for PRESENT HOLDERS. CROAT has no miners currently. Some pools are not able to find a block during the whole day. Currently the risk of switch to CN7 is too high.

Let's count: 15M CROATs premined (DEVs, PR, charity etc), about 25M CROATs mined since 10 Months. It means that about 20M od CROATS were mined by CPU, GPU. Let's say that 2-3Milions of CROATs were mined by ASICs, since CN7 Monero switch and Electroneum CN7 switch.  

Mr. Duelo invested to CROAT too much money end effort. I hope that he is reading this thread.

The finall message for present HOLDers: "Do not sell Your future, HOLD Your CROATs!"

The unknown hashrate that dero claim to be from healthy private pools has been disturbing in the community. GPU mining with dero has long passed the tipping point of electricity cost that many claim GPU mining is dead for dero. The conversation was when the total hashrate was around 20MH back in march, now the total has is 1.3GH. It became so quiet now in the community. Suddenly so peaceful, people are happy mining now???

[Koenig15]

And I'm of the same opinion, success will not be from the complexity of ASIC in 10Mh, but from the complexity of the CPU and the GPU at 10 Mh (that it would produce a huge number of people), and yes, we need exchanges larger, so that all the extracted CROAT has already been redeemed, and there was his shortage

[ptrs]

I must strongly disagree with You, eugenekey.

>if you endorse ASIC, please remove the word EGALITARIAN. It just feels disgusting. In fact I'm not sure if all catalan people endorse centralism. Do not call it catalan altcoin! Do not do evil under the name of catalan.
>Miners are people!

The CROAT was not created for miners to make rich several catalan miners. The GOAL of CROAT is provide Catalan people alternative payment system to fulfill commercial and social aspect. Coin should be used by Catalan people (BUYERS) and Catalan merchants (SELLERS).

The list of present Merchants who are supporting CROAT is on the website https://croat.cat/comercos/
Mining is not a goal, it is a way how to create the strong CROAT. Buyers on the exchange invested theyr bitcoins to CROATs. Owners of ASIC invested into the HW several months ago, Owners of CPU, GPU mining RIGS invested into this HW last Year and in the beginning of this Year 2018.

Nobody clever will invest large amount of money into CPU, GPU mining just now. The GAME is over.

Monero has 500MH/s produced by GPU HW. Since Bitmain invented ASIC, the revenue of GPU owners started to decline. For protection of LOYAL GPU Monero miners, they adjusted algo to CNv7.

BUT CROAT has no LOYAL CPU, GPU miners with large portion of hashrate. They has only miners who are promising, that they will mine CROAT again. Croat peak was maybe 200kH. As I said, nobody clever will buy new mining RIG for several 1000 Euro for CN7 mining. It is very unresponsible to CUT current LOYAL ASIC miners, who are today supporting CROAT and start from ZERO with new algo again. It is not BAD thing to mine CROAT with ASIC. If CROAT will cut them off, they will start mine anything else.

Even if hashrate of CROAT from GPU rigs will be 10MH/s, the CROAT as a small coin will be toy in the hands of miners who are buyers of hashrate. The Nicehash marketplace has currently 400MH/s of CryptoNightv7 hashrate, provided by GPU hashrate sellers. Anybody could with 0.005 BTC investment buy this hashing power and create 100MH/s peak. Only Monero is more stable, since there is about 400MH of hashrate  provided by loyal miners.

I am not miner of CROAT anymore with my 1kH/s PC. It is only 1Euro for day. I do not believe, that it could be much more in the future. Nobody will pay more for the coin, which is possible to mine with cheap investment.

I like idea of CROAT, it something like small Catalan GRAFT coin. It is very special idea to have national altcoin with support of local merchants (existing real merchants).

Again the finall message for present HOLDers: "Do not sell Your future, HOLD Your CROATs!"

[btc077]

Hello dev's. In the Gui wallet the purse does not have the option Payment Id, how do I send money correctly? And where can I find Cli Wallet? Thanks for the help!