Capitalism (continued from How do you deal with the thought about taxes)

[ktttn]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.

Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

[MoonShadow]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

That just means that someone else is paying those taxes on her behalf, not that taxes don't get paid.

[MoonShadow]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.

Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

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This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

The only two possible options are:
She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...
OR
She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...
I'm not really aware of any other options.

Never met her.  Could be one, both or neither.

[ktttn]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

Clever squatting and luck. I own only what I can temporarily maintain or carry.
I live in a house with wifi I know the password to at the moment.
Next week, who knows? Meow.

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Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.

Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're not nice -- that's worse

[ktttn]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.

Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're a cyberbully. Don't sue me bro.
Also, Hail Satan.

You should see my hairdo. You wouldn't call that ethical either.

Found an example of capitalism working yet?

/Off topic.

[ktttn]

This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

The only two possible options are:

She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...

OR

She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...

I'm not really aware of any other options.

Which applies most to yourself?
Thanks for the option of me not being subhuman I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.
Yup, I pay it forward pretty hard.

[MoonShadow]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.

Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're not nice -- that's worse

It may not be nice to point it out, but it is what she is.  She is an able bodied, young adult who lives off of the kindness of others and the forced taxation of others; by her own admission above.  No matter how I may feel about food stamps, the food assistance program was established to help out families who could not afford to buy enough healthy foodstuffs to feed their families.  Not only does she not have kids, (god help them if I'm wrong) she isn't incapable of supporting herself, she just chooses not to participate in her own support.  Other people give her things either because they feel sorry for her, like her enough to overlook her parasitical lifestyle, or are forced to by government taxation and redistribution schemes.  That is unethical, and the very definition of a parasite.

[Rassah]

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're a cyberbully. Don't sue me bro.
Also, Hail Satan.

You should see my hairdo. You wouldn't call that ethical either.

Found an example of capitalism working yet?

I think I found one. It's people willingly toiling to build a house, a fiberoptic network, and a web service, trading their toil for some money, and being forced to give up some of that money as taxes (last part not capitalism), just so you can have a house to squat in, internet to use, and $200ebt paid for with those taxes to buy food from. If you want to be a freegan, at least stop taking that $200 from the state. That's money produced by capitalism that someone else was forced to give up after toiling for.

[ktttn]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

This makes me even more curious.  How do you access this forum, if you neither own anything, nor buy time at a cybercafe?

She's one of those weird people with friends...

That just means that someone else is paying those taxes on her behalf, not that taxes don't get paid.

Do you pay taxes? If so, thanks for paying the cops to kick me in the head, and the NSA to watch me, and for me to get away with $200ebt in free food sometimes.
Have I ever bummed a cigarette of of you? I can't recall.

[MoonShadow]

You should see my hairdo. You wouldn't call that ethical either.

I saw your husband's hairdo.  At least I hope that was your husband.

Found an example of capitalism working yet?

As previously noted, several.  Posted them already, you didn't bother to read any of them.  Many of them predate your forum membership, just as that entire thread did before you got there.

Don't you have some evidence of my bad behavior to gather up?  The clock is ticking.

[Rassah]

The only two possible options are:

She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...

OR

She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...

I'm not really aware of any other options.

Which applies most to yourself?

Of those two options? The second one. But I also recognize it as the capitalism that it is.

If you truly want to be a freegan, please stop taking the $200, since it was created through other people toiling in capitalism, and was taken away from other people's toils by force. You are quite literally taking money from the mother that is having to toil to avoid starving her kids.

[MoonShadow]

Do you pay taxes? If so, thanks for paying the cops to kick me in the head, and the NSA to watch me, and for me to get away with $200ebt in free food sometimes.
Have I ever bummed a cigarette of of you? I can't recall.

Yes, I do pay taxes.  Against my own will, so that I don't get my own head kicked in also.  I also have the joy of paying the NSA to watch me, as well.

Here's an irony; up until very recently, I received EBT benefits as well.  I was required to accept them due to terms of a contract, with the state.  I know, a further irony.  The reason was because I was fostering two brothers, and the birth parents already received EBT, and I was obligated to maintain all benefits until such time as parental rights were terminated. 

They were terminated shortly after my wife & I adopted them, because there is no way that we qualify and no way that we were going to pursue them anyway.

I've never lived in Texas or Tennessee, nor do I smoke, nor do I frequent furry bars; so I seriously doubt I've ever given you a cigarette.

[Rassah]

Most people seem to struggle with the whole cancer correlation vs causation thing, even on this forum.

Please confirm or deny whether you believe that chemicals in sigaretes cause cancer, or whether smoking and getting cancer is just correlated and one doesn't actually cause the other. I'm really curious whether you are actually that stupid.

[MoonShadow]

Oh, come on, you can facepalm harder than that!  Try again!  You doing it?  Harder!  Pay attention:  Never said anything about richest men, never said muggers were rich, and i think you can facepalm harder if you tried.  If you don't understand something in the future, don't assume that it's nonsense -- know that you're simply not smart enough to understand it yet.  Oh, and protip:  You can stop facepalming now.

Careful. If you troll too hard for too long, you might get eventually banned. As much as I would just love to see that happen, I'm not sure I could do this epic chess battle on my own. Although I still haven't seen the whole process in action, it seems to go something like this: Libertarian mods try to have minimalist rules. Players play by "the rules". The mods try not to get annoyed. They eventually get annoyed and the rule-breakers get banned. Clear as miso soup?

It's clear enough to me, and since I'm that libertarian mod you speak of, that works out fine.  It's not a requirement that you understand.

Most people seem to struggle with the whole cancer correlation vs causation thing, even on this forum. Maybe having prolonged Libertarian/An-Cap/other anti-government views actually causes cognitive decline?

It's at least as likely that exposure to libertarian thought causes significant cognative dissonance in those who don't understand the philosophy, including yourself.  Sometimes I actually try to soften the blow for some of you guys, because I feel sorry for you; it must hurt sometimes.  Other times I don't feel any such pity, because stupidity should hurt somewhat.

[ktttn]

Unless you live deep in the amazon jungle you have to pay taxes, anywhere in the world. Theres no getting away from it.

I pay no taxes and live in no amazon jungle.
Freeganism.

I thought you lived in the US, do you not pay sales taxes?  Do you never buy anything at all?

Hi.
Never. Anything. At all.

And no one buys anything on your behalf either, I suppose.

Complicated question. Technically yes and arguably no.
I rely on the gift economy.
I do not order at reastauants.
I encourage others to practice freeganism.
When I go to the store with my state permission to steal $200ebt of food, I do not incur debt to my person.
I do not handle federal reserve notes, as a rule.
If someone gives me something they bought "on my behalf", their purchase does not happen on my behalf or request.

Call it ethical bumming or boycotting of consumerism.

You're a parasite.  I wouldn't call that ethical.

You're not nice -- that's worse

It may not be nice to point it out, but it is what she is.  She is an able bodied,

Nope.

young adult who lives off of the kindness of others and the forced taxation of others;

Best way to live. I'd be much better off without the taxes, admittedly.

by her own admission above. 

You mean your assumptions and prejudiced conclusions?

No matter how I may feel about food stamps, the food assistance program was established to help out families who could not afford to buy enough healthy foodstuffs to feed their families. 

And my zero income, smash the state, end the fed anarchist ways are robbing little children. Okay. Normally, I'd be yelling very colorful obscenities at you irl.

Not only does she not have kids, (god help them if I'm wrong) she isn't incapable of supporting herself, she just chooses not to participate in her own support.

You're talking in the third person to degrade me. I recognize this. You are also drawing conclusions about me that are based in assumptions

Other people give her things either because they feel sorry for her,

Like you with your time and consideration?

like her enough to overlook her parasitical lifestyle,

Cyberbully. If I wasn't bored to tears, I'd cry.

or are forced to by government taxation and redistribution schemes.  That is unethical, and the very definition of a parasite.

I can, have and intend on continue on existing without respect for the state which props up the ACTUALLY parasitic behavior of capitalists.

[ktttn]

The point is don't use correlation, use method of how it happens. Smoking wasn't proven to cause cancer because of correlation, it was proven to cause cancer because of the specific methods discovered. So, I'll get you started on this:
"Capitalism is the cause of ((contemporary wage)) slavery because when people practice capitalism they need to exploit margins which leads to slavery.

Ah, thank you. So, can you explain what you mean by "wage slavery?" Does it involve being forced to do anything against his/her will?

By definition.
Wages are unneccessary to and prevent one from doing one's will.

[ktttn]

Do you pay taxes? If so, thanks for paying the cops to kick me in the head, and the NSA to watch me, and for me to get away with $200ebt in free food sometimes.
Have I ever bummed a cigarette of of you? I can't recall.

Yes, I do pay taxes.  Against my own will, so that I don't get my own head kicked in also.  I also have the joy of paying the NSA to watch me, as well.

Here's an irony; up until very recently, I received EBT benefits as well.  I was required to accept them due to terms of a contract, with the state.  I know, a further irony.  The reason was because I was fostering two brothers, and the birth parents already received EBT, and I was obligated to maintain all benefits until such time as parental rights were terminated.  

They were terminated shortly after my wife & I adopted them, because there is no way that we qualify and no way that we were going to pursue them anyway.

I've never lived in Texas or Tennessee, nor do I smoke, nor do I frequent furry bars; so I seriously doubt I've ever given you a cigarette.

How about NY, NJ, Philly, Baltimore, Hardy, AR, Raleigh or Asheville, ect,ect?
Have you given spare change to someone who used it to buy cigarettes I could have gotten to?
Or paid for a good or service from a smoker?
Do you know what a "snipe" is?

Edit: I hereby command you by the powers vested in me by whoever to start frequenting underground grindcore shows, SCUM lesbian bars, and furry conventions. I believe one of the latter was held ajacent to San Jose 2013.

[ktttn]

The only two possible options are:

She's one of those parasites with people who are willing to put up with her, for now...

OR

She's one of those weird people who trades labor and products with friends...

I'm not really aware of any other options.

Which applies most to yourself?

Of those two options? The second one. But I also recognize it as the capitalism that it is.

If you truly want to be a freegan, please stop taking the $200, since it was created through other people toiling in capitalism, and was taken away from other people's toils by force. You are quite literally taking money from the mother that is having to toil to avoid starving her kids.

>implying ebt is in any sense money on a mattress in the back room, and not permission to steal.
>implying products of toil are entirely avoidable.