Craig W. only claims to be Satoshi, because he knows the real Satoshi is dead?

[Rufsilf]

The way people fight over this matter, man, I wonder if the world will go into explosion if they don’t come up with the person behind that name: Satoshi Nakamoto. Now someone has decided to claim he’s the real SN, and people are still doubting. Infact the real thing is this: nobody is Satoshi Nakamoto, it’s just a code name (as in a username).

Right, actually a lot has been coming out claiming they are Satoshi Nakamoto but people is doubting them all that is why the debate of who Satoshi Nakamoto is always on the run, I think this will be a never ending debate. It could be that's like a group of people collaboration and all wanted to take credits that is why they are coming out but who knows, for me it doesn't really matter because bitcoin survived without Satoshi coming out into the light.

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[Vishnu.Reang]

I don't think that this is a possible scenario. One of the reasons for believing so is that there are others who are aware of the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, such as Michael Marquardt (username Theymos). In case Craig Wright claims that he is Satoshi and if the real Satoshi is dead, then what prevents Marquardt from coming up with the proof? I am sure that he is not doing that only because the real Satoshi is alive and he don't want to reveal his identity.

[Google+]

I don't think the real satoshi nakamoto is not just dead, but they still maintain their privacy so that they are not known by people, Craig W only wants to try to create a sensation and can also provoke the original Satoshi Nakamoto to come out showing who Satoshi Nakamoto is.

[Moiyah]

No one knows if Satoshi Nakamoto is dead or not. All I think is that CSW is just claiming something that is impossible to happen. SN just want to maintain it's privacy , dead or not no one can actually prove that. What proof can Craig wants to present? It should be strong evidence then to make us believe that he is the real Satoshi.

[Bitcoinqubit]

Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof?  

1. alot of people call craig wright SOSHITA and make fun from him, and he mentally unhealthy,,,so how even people think that he part of the team of satoshi , its just uneducated people very simple.

2. its people behind the bitcoin operation and not one person, the name is just as it is.

3. its not the first time or the last time people do great projects on the web and spread it under one name...wiki leaks work like this and other.

so simple

[lordmeen]

Craig w. & team socail bully to mr. hodlnaut in twitter on early 2019. The real satoshi naver do like that.

[pooya87]

it is simply a safe and calculated bet that Craig Scammer Wright made.
it as been many years since Satoshi went away. all this time we have not heard a work from him, there is no other signs from him either like moving a single satoshi from the coins he had mined in early years. so logically it s a safe bet to say he won't come back. and we are talking about a scammer here. he has the audacity to lie on such a big scale, he doesn't care even if Satoshi came out!
considering the rewards of this lie, i'd say it was a good bet for him so far.

[mrquackquack]

Just a thought, CW can be the false flag of the crypto world, if anything CW and SN may know each other and they might even be working together.. Keyser Soze anyone?

[Ridwan Fauzi]

Honestly most of user bitcoins have a confident that Craig W is fake Satoshi. I'm just thinking if most user of bitcoins believe that he is the real Satoshi then the real Satoshi will come with a proof that can't be imagine by all user but most users will believe him. The real Satoshi is still there, but he doesn't intend to make himself be popular IMO.

[fortunecrypto]

Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof? 

You have a good point unless the real Satoshi has an agreement with Craig to poised as Satoshi so he can hide his identity, but until now Craig cannot prove he is the real one because he cannot transfer the funds the real Satoshi is holding or even log in to his old account here, if the real Satoshi is dead no one can come out claiming to be the real Satoshi anymore.

[Kakmakr]

He can claim all he wants, but until he signs one of Satoshi's early Bitcoin addresses, nobody will believe him. Satoshi might be dead, but everyone has some family or friend that knows about their secrets. Satoshi could even have left a clue or something for people to find him, but it has not been found yet.  

I would have also silently disappeared into the shadows, if I was in his shoes, but I would have left some clues for people to find the coins in the future.. Why would you hoard over a million of coins, if you wanted people to use your technology as a alternative currency.  

The truth will come out eventually and then CW will have a lot to explain. 

[Searing]

I wonder what are the consequences of the trial by Dave Klieman's brother for 1/3 of a Billion Dollars.

Unsure that if he loses, he will not go to a country without extradition and suffer nothing for his lies.

Also, if he was in a Satoshi Group with Dave Kleinman and Hal Finney and himself, and as a result is the last man standing,

he likely would know that the inventor(s) of Bitcoin are indeed dead, in that both the other 2 men have passed away.

I suspect he will lose the case, continue to state he has no access to the coins till 2020 and beyond, and go to a country

where he can't be extradited on a 'civil manner' like this. Thus, he will declare 'Victory' and FML if Bitcoin SV won't go up another 33%

because from what I can tell from this whole farce is humans are idiots and will believe anybody almost.

Brad

[xtraelv]

I wonder what are the consequences of the trial by Dave Klieman's brother for 1/3 of a Billion Dollars.

Unsure that if he loses, he will not go to a country without extradition and suffer nothing for his lies.

Also, if he was in a Satoshi Group with Dave Kleinman and Hal Finney and himself, and as a result is the last man standing,

he likely would know that the inventor(s) of Bitcoin are indeed dead, in that both the other 2 men have passed away.

I suspect he will lose the case, continue to state he has no access to the coins till 2020 and beyond, and go to a country

where he can't be extradited on a 'civil manner' like this. Thus, he will declare 'Victory' and FML if Bitcoin SV won't go up another 33%

because from what I can tell from this whole farce is humans are idiots and will believe anybody almost.

Brad

It is a civil case - not a criminal case - so no extradition will happen. There will only be a large monetary award.

In my opinion CSW is already so deep into the deception that a few more lies won't make it any worse for him.He has nothing more to loose.

Those that believe him will only continue to believe him if he keeps lying. If he admits the truth then he looses that following.

He has been caught out on so many lies already that IF the Australian or US Government decide to take action there is ample evidence already.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/revealed-the-ato-hit-suspected-bitcoin-creator-craig-steven-wrights-company-with-a-1-7-million-penalty-2015-12
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/the-australian-who-may-have-invented-bitcoin-claimed-to-have-landed-54m-in-taxpayer-funded-rebates-2015-12
https://www.grantcentral.com.au/big-numbers-involved-in-rd-tax-incentive/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5215128.msg53827716#msg53827716
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.msg53826866#msg53826866
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5149062.0

[Dabs]

I don't think that this is a possible scenario. One of the reasons for believing so is that there are others who are aware of the real identity of Satoshi Nakamoto, such as Michael Marquardt (username Theymos). In case Craig Wright claims that he is Satoshi and if the real Satoshi is dead, then what prevents Marquardt from coming up with the proof? I am sure that he is not doing that only because the real Satoshi is alive and he don't want to reveal his identity.

I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.

So far, no one has done so.

[1Referee]

I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.

So far, no one has done so.

I was also in the 'sign a message' camp, but even if it's done eventually, it's still no concrete evidence that we're dealing with the 'real' satoshi.

Private keys can exchange hands, either on a voluntary or non-voluntary basis. As long as nobody signs from any of those ancient 50BTC reward addresses it's safe to say that the real winner is the market (i.e. the holders of Bitcoin), which I add a whole lot more weight to than finding out who or what satoshi is. In other words, people shouldn't want x/y/z entity to ever sign a message.

This however also means that losers such as CSW have free game to claim that they are the inventor of Bitcoin. Rather this than the price crashing hard.

[AGD]

I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.

So far, no one has done so.

I was also in the 'sign a message' camp, but even if it's done eventually, it's still no concrete evidence that we're dealing with the 'real' satoshi.

Private keys can exchange hands, either on a voluntary or non-voluntary basis. As long as nobody signs from any of those ancient 50BTC reward addresses it's safe to say that the real winner is the market (i.e. the holders of Bitcoin), which I add a whole lot more weight to than finding out who or what satoshi is. In other words, people shouldn't want x/y/z entity to ever sign a message.

This however also means that losers such as CSW have free game to claim that they are the inventor of Bitcoin. Rather this than the price crashing hard.

You are contradicting yourself. One one hand you say, that private keys can exchange hands and it would be no concrete evidence, on the other you would believe somebody who signs with one of the ancient Bitcoin addresses (with the private keys nessecary to do this - which could have exchanded hands).

Sure it would be no 100% evidence, but what else would Satoshi have to prove he is the real one?
If somebody signs his PGP or with one of the old addresses, most people would believe him. No doubt.

[xtraelv]

I don't think theymos, or anyone else for that matter, knows who the real Satoshi is. All we can do is verify a message signed with the PGP key or any of the known early bitcoin addresses.

So far, no one has done so.

I was also in the 'sign a message' camp, but even if it's done eventually, it's still no concrete evidence that we're dealing with the 'real' satoshi.

Private keys can exchange hands, either on a voluntary or non-voluntary basis. As long as nobody signs from any of those ancient 50BTC reward addresses it's safe to say that the real winner is the market (i.e. the holders of Bitcoin), which I add a whole lot more weight to than finding out who or what satoshi is. In other words, people shouldn't want x/y/z entity to ever sign a message.

This however also means that losers such as CSW have free game to claim that they are the inventor of Bitcoin. Rather this than the price crashing hard.

You are contradicting yourself. One one hand you say, that private keys can exchange hands and it would be no concrete evidence, on the other you would believe somebody who signs with one of the ancient Bitcoin addresses (with the private keys nessecary to do this - which could have exchanded hands).

Sure it would be no 100% evidence, but what else would Satoshi have to prove he is the real one?
If somebody signs his PGP or with one of the old addresses, most people would believe him. No doubt.

These are some of the ways Satoshi could validate themselves.

PGP signature from Satoshi
Old bitcoin address signed message
In depth detailed knowledge of bitcoin
Demeanor and writing style
Knowledge of private messages sent to various contributors
Convince Theymos and others that were part of the early core team.

Someone who genuinely wants to verify themselves does so patiently and welcomes public scrutiny - knowing it will be met with skepticism.

[nicecrypto]

Or perhaps because people keep talking about him and given him the reason to even behave like that, the man is feeling on the attention people are paying on him, when people choose to ignore him then he won't have enough interest to pursue, 
I think it is time people learn to pay less attention to this homo sapien.

[magneto159]

There are way too many theories about this. We can only assume and speculate. But in the end, I think it doesn't even matter.

[tbterryboy]

Just an idea. If Craig Wright is NOT Satoshi Nakamoto, he would definitely risk the real Satoshi come up with a proof, that Craig is not SN. Is it possible, that CW explicitly knows about the death of the person behind SN, so he can make his claims without backing them up with a proof? 

I don’t really think so. Craig Wright isn’t the only person that have claimed to be Satoshi Nakamoto and he’s not even the first that has done that. He did it because he knew the real Satoshi is not ready to reveal himself, but unfortunately for him he doesn’t have any proof that shows he’s the real Satoshi Nakamoto, so he ended up embarrassing himself.

We don’t even know whether the real person is still alive or not, and even if Craig was one of part of the team he wouldn’t be the only one, so others would have come out as well and stop him acting selfishly. They will even stop him before he goes public with this BS.