How to run an Anarchy

[JA37]

No, Not an A-team situation.

It's not a situation I'm particularly proud of, but one the Police being called did NOT improve.

Not knowing anything about your situation it's generally so that police aren't there to help the perpetrator of the crime. They're there for someone else.

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[myrkul]

True. But they didn't help the situation for anyone involved. They hardly ever do.

[AyeYo]

True. But they didn't help the situation for anyone involved. They hardly ever do.

So you did something wrong, got arrested for it, and you're butt hurt because the police suck.  The police do suck and we'd be better off if there were far fewer of them and they had much less power.  That's one thing I'll agree with you on.  However, that's no reason to do a 180* and throw the entire system down the drain.

[myrkul]

True. But they didn't help the situation for anyone involved. They hardly ever do.

So you did something wrong, got arrested for it, and you're butt hurt because the police suck.  The police do suck and we'd be better off if there were far fewer of them and they had much less power.  That's one thing I'll agree with you on.  However, that's no reason to do a 180* and throw the entire system down the drain.

You're right, it's not. The fact that You and I are forced to pay for that incompetence, and cannot hire competent ones with that money, instead, is. The fact that I have never once seen "Officer Jenkins" on a ballot, is.

[AyeYo]

True. But they didn't help the situation for anyone involved. They hardly ever do.

So you did something wrong, got arrested for it, and you're butt hurt because the police suck.  The police do suck and we'd be better off if there were far fewer of them and they had much less power.  That's one thing I'll agree with you on.  However, that's no reason to do a 180* and throw the entire system down the drain.

You're right, it's not. The fact that You and I are forced to pay for that incompetence, and cannot hire competent ones with that money, instead, is. The fact that I have never once seen "Officer Jenkins" on a ballot, is.

You can directly vote for a police chief/sheriff in many places.  Vote out of the incompetent one or run yourself.  If you can't vote directly, vote in local politicians that will appoint better police leaders or harass your local politicians until they do the same.  If all that fails, start gathering people together for a town-wide riot/strike and watch how fast change happens.  That'll never happen though because people are too lazy and self-absorbed.

The shitty situations we are in as a society are the fault of the apathetic society.  Until you get off your ass to actually do something to change it, you have no right to complain about how much it sucks.

[JA37]

You're right, it's not. The fact that You and I are forced to pay for that incompetence, and cannot hire competent ones with that money, instead, is. The fact that I have never once seen "Officer Jenkins" on a ballot, is.

I've had to do with the police a few times. Not once have I regretted it. Every single time they've been professional, courteous, and given assistance. Among those are car accidents, beaten by a gang, domestic accidents and caught speeding. The officers giving me a fine apologized for it, even though I was the one in the wrong.

And "Officer Jenkins" is done what he's told. Find a good leader for the police and you'll have a good force.

[myrkul]

I've had to do with the police a few times. Not once have I regretted it. Every single time they've been professional, courteous, and given assistance. Among those are car accidents, beaten by a gang, domestic accidents and caught speeding. The officers giving me a fine apologized for it, even though I was the one in the wrong.

And "Officer Jenkins" is done what he's told. Find a good leader for the police and you'll have a good force.

I'm glad you've had pleasant experiences with the Police. To continue that trend, stay off BART.

Just following orders didn't work at Nuremberg, It won't work in the US, either. Try again.

[JA37]

I'm glad you've had pleasant experiences with the Police. To continue that trend, stay off BART.

Just following orders didn't work at Nuremberg, It won't work in the US, either. Try again.

BART?

You're coming close to Goodwin's Law here. What I was saying was that with a rotten leader you get a rotten force. Put good leaders in and you'll have a good force.
I can agree that you need a better culture in law enforcement. Less macho would be a good start.

[myrkul]

BART?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKKQ-gzc_Yw

You're coming close to Goodwin's Law here. What I was saying was that with a rotten leader you get a rotten force. Put good leaders in and you'll have a good force.
I can agree that you need a better culture in law enforcement. Less macho would be a good start.

Personal responsibility. A bad leader shouldn't matter if you have good 'soldiers'. A good leader doesn't matter if you've got bad 'soldiers'.

Not encouraging cops to think of themselves as soldiers would help, too, of course.

[JA37]

Personal responsibility. A bad leader shouldn't matter if you have good 'soldiers'. A good leader doesn't matter if you've got bad 'soldiers'.

Not encouraging cops to think of themselves as soldiers would help, too, of course.

A horrible accident with a gun and someone dies. But I thought you wanted more guns on the street?

You're not dealing a lot with groups as a leader are you? Leadership matters. It matters a lot.
Agreed, cops aren't soldiers. Or shouldn't have to be. I wonder if there's something wrong with US culture? Switzerland has more guns per person than the US does, yet they have very few shootings, and the police there are quite nice.

[Anonymous]

I don't think any of us disagree about the fact that Switzerland is a country to look up to.

[myrkul]

A horrible accident with a gun and someone dies. But I thought you wanted more guns on the street?

You're not dealing a lot with groups as a leader are you? Leadership matters. It matters a lot.
Agreed, cops aren't soldiers. Or shouldn't have to be. I wonder if there's something wrong with US culture? Switzerland has more guns per person than the US does, yet they have very few shootings, and the police there are quite nice.

Guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people.

Maybe those bold things have something in common?

[JA37]

I don't think any of us disagree about the fact that Switzerland is a country to look up to.

Why? It's a very socialistic country. Free healthcare. High taxes. Hard regulations on labour and environment. Very democratic. Doesn't seem like a country you'd like.

[JA37]

Guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people.

Maybe those bold things have something in common?

Oh please, not that old "guns dont..." it's boring.

What are you suggesting, that the police are nice because people have guns? You're aware that you're generally not allowed to carry a gun in Switzerland, right? The police can be as nasty as they please because the guns people have are locked in their houses.
I think the police have a better culture and better leaders in Switzerland. And they don't have to worry as much about being shot from a random idiot with a gun whenever they stop someone.

[LastBattle]

I don't think any of us disagree about the fact that Switzerland is a country to look up to.

Why? It's a very socialistic country. Free healthcare. High taxes. Hard regulations on labour and environment. Very democratic. Doesn't seem like a country you'd like.

Freer monetary system. Far less centralized.

"In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king"

But I thought you wanted more guns on the street?

If guns kill people, do pencils make mistakes?

[myrkul]

Guns don't kill people, idiots with guns kill people.

Maybe those bold things have something in common?

Oh please, not that old "guns dont..." it's boring.

What are you suggesting, that the police are nice because people have guns? You're aware that you're generally not allowed to carry a gun in Switzerland, right? The police can be as nasty as they please because the guns people have are locked in their houses.
I think the police have a better culture and better leaders in Switzerland. And they don't have to worry as much about being shot from a random idiot with a gun whenever they stop someone.

Boring don't stop it from being true.

And maybe the police are nice because they're less overworked because there's less crime because all the houses are protected... by owners with guns?

[JA37]

Freer monetary system. Far less centralized.

"In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king"


If guns kill people, do pencils make mistakes?

Far less centralized than the US? Perhaps. But isn't Anarchy the goal? Switzerland is very far from anarchy. It's at the other end of the spectrum.
A very strong government, central bank, a wellfare state. It seems to be pretty much everything AnCaps/Liberts hate.
A previous thread of mine brought up Sweden, which is quite similar to Switzerland, but that country isn't something to look up to. I was told.

It's easier to write with a pen than without one.

[JA37]

Boring don't stop it from being true.

And maybe the police are nice because they're less overworked because there's less crime because all the houses are protected... by owners with guns?

It's only true if you're a member of the NRA or so. Guns make it very easy to kill someone, far easier than any other tool, so in effect guns do kill people. Most people recognize this. Only those with an agenda does not.

So you want more police and more social programs for the poor? More officers makes each one less overworked, and more social programs, like they have in Switzerland, reduce crime.

[Anonymous]

When everybody has a weapon, there is far less death to be found.

[LastBattle]

Freer monetary system. Far less centralized.

"In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king"


If guns kill people, do pencils make mistakes?

Far less centralized than the US? Perhaps. But isn't Anarchy the goal? Switzerland is very far from anarchy. It's at the other end of the spectrum.
A very strong government, central bank, a wellfare state. It seems to be pretty much everything AnCaps/Liberts hate.
A previous thread of mine brought up Sweden, which is quite similar to Switzerland, but that country isn't something to look up to. I was told.

It's easier to write with a pen than without one.

I told you already. In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

Sweden is very different from Switzerland, which you would know if you bothered looking into either country.

Again: if guns kill people, do pencils make mistakes?