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October 05, 2017, 12:25:25 PM
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What does the best ICO really mean, because it all depends on the criteria you are looking at, from what I can read here most people are concern about the amount of X something return they want to get in return

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Comsa seems like a promising one except the fact that they don't have no hardcap. On the other hand, i have very good feelings for Snip in the future  Cheesy

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October 05, 2017, 12:57:09 PM
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ICO now all the time don't mean a thing when it comes to the stock market price falls below it goes.

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We currently use AI and blockchain technologies in the energy sector to reduce cost and consumption of electricity in global markets. We currently manage over $140million of energy and cover over 1,100 sites across Europe and are continuing our growth. Our overall model will lead to:

1. A reduction in global energy consumption
2. A reduction in retail energy prices
3. The creation of an eco-system, including a transparent peer-to-peer platform to trade energy

Energi Token (ETK) is the next step in our revolution of the energy sector. Traditional incentives to reduce consumption previously have not worked, and we feel that the reason for this is that consumers need to see the monetary value of their change in behaviour before they are likely to act upon this. Our token will offer incentives for a range of energy-efficient behaviour such as taking low-carbon transport and buying energy-efficient appliances. ETK can then be re-used in our eco-system to trade energy or charge your EV.

ETK is designed as a reward mechanism to encourage energy efficient behaviour from consumers and there are various ways in which these can be obtained through different methods which we have outlined below.

The tokens will be based on the Ethereum ERC-20 standard and can be bought via coin exchanges for several purposes such as individual/company incentive schemes. For example, a company can buy x tokens from the exchange and distribute them amongst its employees for showing energy efficient behaviour that saved the company y amount on their energy bill.

Tokens can also be earned by individuals by implementing energy saving behaviour such as commuting via public transport, buying an electric vehicle or consuming less energy at home.

If an individual was to commute via public transport they would receive an amount of ETK for using a more energy efficient method of transport. If they purchase an electric car then the car manufacturer or the local authority would reward them with ETK for purchasing an energy efficient vehicle. If they consume less energy at home through behavioural change or more efficient appliances, they would be given ETK for showing energy efficient behaviour.

Ultimately the mechanism is designed to encourage energy efficient behaviour and as a by-product, the consumer will become more proficient in the energy industry, leading to more informed decisions being made. The tokens will have a market value and can therefore be exchanged for flat currency, or the consumer can choose to save the tokens and use them to pay for future energy bills and electric vehicle charging.

Energi Token has so far gone on to win at the ICOSummit Zurich and come in at 4th place at the d10e Conference on Kiev. We also have Lords Revesdale from the House of Lords on board (CEO of The Energy Managers Association) and are in talks with some of the biggest energy suppliers in the world alongside a major European city.

Please contact us for more information: www.energimine.com


Sounds interesting, I'll keep an eye out for that one

Have you read Energi’s short white paper?  They cite the main problem is:

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“A small number of large energy companies supply millions of customers who are price takers.”

Therefore, the solution is to create more energy suppliers, especially nuclear power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity. But Energi does not propose to create another supplier. They propose to enable consumers to sell their self-generated electricity directly to other consumers.

This is a TINY market. To do this, consumers need to have BOTH solar panels and batteries. Though solar panels are growing, it is still a tiny percent of the market and solar generated electricity is still much more expensive than nuclear generated.

Consumers with solar panels do not have that much surplus electricity to sell anyways. They use most of what they generate. There is strong evidence of this. Tesla and Enphase hyped up their batteries for solar panel owners to store their surplus electricity. (Batteries are needed in order to sell your extra electricity.) These batteries are NOT selling. Enphase spent over $100 million to develop their battery and partly because of the lack of battery sales, their stock has plummeted approximately 85%.  Do your own research.

Energi shows a diagram of Current System where consumers sell their surplus electricity to the Supplier and the Supplier sells it to other consumers. Then Energi shows a diagram of their solution, where consumers sell electricity directly to each other, to bypass the Supplier (middleman). How will consumers be able to do this? Will consumers hook up wires from their houses to the other houses that want to buy from them? No consumer is going to do this.

Even if a few deranged consumers spend the thousands of dollars to do this, why do they need a new token? Why can't they use BTC, ETH, NEM, PIVX, DASH, etc.?

Then Energi tries to mislead you by telling you that

Quote
“Total global electricity consumption was 21,190 TWh (Terawatt hours) in 2016…Power traded globally is a market worth around $2 trillion per annum”.

But this is mostly nuclear and coal generated electricity and has nothing to do with consumers selling their solar, self-generated electricity.

Solar generated electricity is still more expensive than from the utility companies. The main reason people put up solar panels is because of government subsidies. If debt-ridden governments stop subsidizing, solar industry will crash. Think of Solyndra, which drained $535 million from taxpayers and still went bankrupt.

Energi cites this problem as well:

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Lack of incentives to use less energy
Energy companies make money from selling more energy, so consumers are not incentivised to change behaviour.

This is so ridiculous, it’s essentially a lie. EVERY company in the world makes more money from selling more. This does not mean that consumers are not incentivised to change behavior.

Energi cites this problem as well:

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Lack of competition
Barriers to entry are high, with complexity of regulation and costs of entry being the two main reasons for the monopolies operating in all major power markets globally.

That’s because it costs $9 billion to build another nuclear power plant. How will Energi lower this barrier? By creating a token? You’re a sucker if you believe this.

Energi’s team is in the UK. Does that make them experts on how the energy trading business works in the other 100 countries? To try to replace the existing businesses in all these countries will take hundreds of millions or billions of dollars and decades.

Spend 5 minutes to do some research and you'll find serious problems with most ICOs. Most of these white papers are so empty that it takes less time to read them than business plans.
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October 05, 2017, 02:18:55 PM
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Hello, I recommend you to take a closer look to Confideal. It is an anonymous service, which allows you to carry out quick, cheap and safe transactions without the participation of third parties.
The platform is based on Ethereum Smart Contracts that are optimized for use by non-programmers.
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October 05, 2017, 02:26:38 PM
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Reality clash a great ICO,  you can check it out
Reality Clash will be the most comprehensive and advanced social augmented reality combat game in the market, backed by the Etherum Blockchain.

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October 05, 2017, 03:57:04 PM
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Reality clash a great ICO,  you can check it out
Reality Clash will be the most comprehensive and advanced social augmented reality combat game in the market, backed by the Etherum Blockchain.

Dear,
I know Reality clash is a good one but already it's ICO is over.
there is a new good one ICO is coming this is SPECTRE ICO
I think SPECTRE have a good future.
Check this link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2199275.0

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October 05, 2017, 04:21:41 PM
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Most of the recommendations seem to be for projects that cannot prove that they can build anything.

Crowdholding’s big team means nothing. I’ve seen projects that have stacked their teams with a dozen useless people and then they lie, such as Change-Bank.

I don't get your point, You look at the team and they have a CMO who used to work for Google, a CTO who worked for Oracle and a COO who used to work for HP and Skype. That's just the top people. Then you have solid developers, marketers and legal staff members.

You can only go on the white paper, website, and what they state. Simply saying that a big team means nothing, it's better than having a small one!

One top of the team, they have a working beta according to their road map so they actually have a product before the ICO (which is unheard of 99% of the time)

I don't know about Change-bank but judging one ICO to another and saying that they both have one similar characteristic and one failed (especially when it is about the size / quality of the team) so the other one will isn't the smartest move.

Augur had Vitalik Buterin on their team. Vitalik is the best person in the entire crypto industry that you can add to your team. After raising millions and after two and a half years, all they’ve released is a simple beta that is barely usable.

There are a number ICOs, that haven’t raised anything yet and they already have more software built. Enjin, Funfair and Stockbet already have much more than Augur’s beta.

Change Bank stacked their team with a lot of people. Then they lie. Their “Blockchain Expert” worked as an Inside Sales Rep until 1.5 months prior. Their “Blockchain Developer” never developed a blockchain before.

There have been several ICOs with large, impressive teams. After raising millions, they haven't released anything yet.

If Crowdholding has a working beta, then that is good news. However, I can’t find it on their website. Have you used it? Have lots of people used it to help guide a startup to success?

Their white paper says that the problem is that too many startups fail due to lack of market need. Their solution is that funders (YUPIE token holders) will be able to tell the startups how to find market needs.

This is ridiculous. If this is the case, then companies would be asking their shareholders on what the market needs. Google, Apple, Facebook and the hundreds of thousands of companies should be asking their shareholders about market needs. They don’t. Why not? Because the shareholders do not know. The only people who will know are the end-users and customers. That’s why companies spend billions on market research, focus groups, free samples, surveys, trial products, etc., etc. The only people who knows and will tell the truth are those who have to part with their money and will get enough value in return to justify it. Anyone who has studied Marketing knows this.

Let’s say that there is a startup that wants to sell Japanese seaweed snacks. How much are you willing to pay for the snacks? What would you recommend to the startup? Even if you wouldn’t eat this, how would you know others won’t? You may never have tasted it before, so you will have no idea.

Even if this idea has merit, how do you, as a YUPIE token holder, know for sure that startup companies will reward you after they succeed? The tokens are not legal contracts. You cannot get a judge to force the company to pay.

Startups take many years before they are financially successful. Most companies are still losing money when they go IPO on the stock market. Amazon is barely making any profits. Twitter is still losing money. Facebook took way longer than most companies to IPO and they barely showed a profit. How long will you wait before Crowdholding’s startups start rewarding you?

Crowdholding is simply a stupid idea, and will fail. Most people do not see this because they haven’t spent enough time in the business world and are impressed by lots of jargon and big teams with fancy titles.

Many people who recommend on these forums are pump and dumpers, or lack knowledge about business, technology or the blockchain.
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October 05, 2017, 06:14:18 PM
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We currently use AI and blockchain technologies in the energy sector to reduce cost and consumption of electricity in global markets. We currently manage over $140million of energy and cover over 1,100 sites across Europe and are continuing our growth. Our overall model will lead to:

1. A reduction in global energy consumption
2. A reduction in retail energy prices
3. The creation of an eco-system, including a transparent peer-to-peer platform to trade energy

Energi Token (ETK) is the next step in our revolution of the energy sector. Traditional incentives to reduce consumption previously have not worked, and we feel that the reason for this is that consumers need to see the monetary value of their change in behaviour before they are likely to act upon this. Our token will offer incentives for a range of energy-efficient behaviour such as taking low-carbon transport and buying energy-efficient appliances. ETK can then be re-used in our eco-system to trade energy or charge your EV.

ETK is designed as a reward mechanism to encourage energy efficient behaviour from consumers and there are various ways in which these can be obtained through different methods which we have outlined below.

The tokens will be based on the Ethereum ERC-20 standard and can be bought via coin exchanges for several purposes such as individual/company incentive schemes. For example, a company can buy x tokens from the exchange and distribute them amongst its employees for showing energy efficient behaviour that saved the company y amount on their energy bill.

Tokens can also be earned by individuals by implementing energy saving behaviour such as commuting via public transport, buying an electric vehicle or consuming less energy at home.

If an individual was to commute via public transport they would receive an amount of ETK for using a more energy efficient method of transport. If they purchase an electric car then the car manufacturer or the local authority would reward them with ETK for purchasing an energy efficient vehicle. If they consume less energy at home through behavioural change or more efficient appliances, they would be given ETK for showing energy efficient behaviour.

Ultimately the mechanism is designed to encourage energy efficient behaviour and as a by-product, the consumer will become more proficient in the energy industry, leading to more informed decisions being made. The tokens will have a market value and can therefore be exchanged for flat currency, or the consumer can choose to save the tokens and use them to pay for future energy bills and electric vehicle charging.

Energi Token has so far gone on to win at the ICOSummit Zurich and come in at 4th place at the d10e Conference on Kiev. We also have Lords Revesdale from the House of Lords on board (CEO of The Energy Managers Association) and are in talks with some of the biggest energy suppliers in the world alongside a major European city.

Please contact us for more information: www.energimine.com


Sounds interesting, I'll keep an eye out for that one

Have you read Energi’s short white paper?  They cite the main problem is:

Quote
“A small number of large energy companies supply millions of customers who are price takers.”

Therefore, the solution is to create more energy suppliers, especially nuclear power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity. But Energi does not propose to create another supplier. They propose to enable consumers to sell their self-generated electricity directly to other consumers.

This is a TINY market. To do this, consumers need to have BOTH solar panels and batteries. Though solar panels are growing, it is still a tiny percent of the market and solar generated electricity is still much more expensive than nuclear generated.

Consumers with solar panels do not have that much surplus electricity to sell anyways. They use most of what they generate. There is strong evidence of this. Tesla and Enphase hyped up their batteries for solar panel owners to store their surplus electricity. (Batteries are needed in order to sell your extra electricity.) These batteries are NOT selling. Enphase spent over $100 million to develop their battery and partly because of the lack of battery sales, their stock has plummeted approximately 85%.  Do your own research.

Energi shows a diagram of Current System where consumers sell their surplus electricity to the Supplier and the Supplier sells it to other consumers. Then Energi shows a diagram of their solution, where consumers sell electricity directly to each other, to bypass the Supplier (middleman). How will consumers be able to do this? Will consumers hook up wires from their houses to the other houses that want to buy from them? No consumer is going to do this.

Even if a few deranged consumers spend the thousands of dollars to do this, why do they need a new token? Why can't they use BTC, ETH, NEM, PIVX, DASH, etc.?

Then Energi tries to mislead you by telling you that

Quote
“Total global electricity consumption was 21,190 TWh (Terawatt hours) in 2016…Power traded globally is a market worth around $2 trillion per annum”.

But this is mostly nuclear and coal generated electricity and has nothing to do with consumers selling their solar, self-generated electricity.

Solar generated electricity is still more expensive than from the utility companies. The main reason people put up solar panels is because of government subsidies. If debt-ridden governments stop subsidizing, solar industry will crash. Think of Solyndra, which drained $535 million from taxpayers and still went bankrupt.

Energi cites this problem as well:

Quote
Lack of incentives to use less energy
Energy companies make money from selling more energy, so consumers are not incentivised to change behaviour.

This is so ridiculous, it’s essentially a lie. EVERY company in the world makes more money from selling more. This does not mean that consumers are not incentivised to change behavior.

Energi cites this problem as well:

Quote
Lack of competition
Barriers to entry are high, with complexity of regulation and costs of entry being the two main reasons for the monopolies operating in all major power markets globally.

That’s because it costs $9 billion to build another nuclear power plant. How will Energi lower this barrier? By creating a token? You’re a sucker if you believe this.

Energi’s team is in the UK. Does that make them experts on how the energy trading business works in the other 100 countries? To try to replace the existing businesses in all these countries will take hundreds of millions or billions of dollars and decades.

Spend 5 minutes to do some research and you'll find serious problems with most ICOs. Most of these white papers are so empty that it takes less time to read them than business plans.


Thanks for explaining man. I was at work when I read this on my phone so I didn't even do 5 seconds of research lol I just replied so I'd get a notification and I'd remember this.

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One project which seems quite interesting to me is Ambrosus. does anyone have any study made on this one?

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October 05, 2017, 06:59:38 PM
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Hi experts,

1)which all are the upcoming ICO's.
2)which all re worthy in upcoming icos.

Airtoken ICO is ongoing right now.
I think Airtoken is one of the best icos because it is dealing with mobile internet
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October 05, 2017, 07:24:35 PM
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There is an upcoming Ico named Spectre.
Spectre is world's first broker less financial trading platform.
It is giving power to the retail traders.
You can have a look into it
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2169122.0

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October 06, 2017, 02:57:10 PM
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We currently use AI and blockchain technologies in the energy sector to reduce cost and consumption of electricity in global markets. We currently manage over $140million of energy and cover over 1,100 sites across Europe and are continuing our growth. Our overall model will lead to:

1. A reduction in global energy consumption
2. A reduction in retail energy prices
3. The creation of an eco-system, including a transparent peer-to-peer platform to trade energy

Energi Token (ETK) is the next step in our revolution of the energy sector. Traditional incentives to reduce consumption previously have not worked, and we feel that the reason for this is that consumers need to see the monetary value of their change in behaviour before they are likely to act upon this. Our token will offer incentives for a range of energy-efficient behaviour such as taking low-carbon transport and buying energy-efficient appliances. ETK can then be re-used in our eco-system to trade energy or charge your EV.

ETK is designed as a reward mechanism to encourage energy efficient behaviour from consumers and there are various ways in which these can be obtained through different methods which we have outlined below.

The tokens will be based on the Ethereum ERC-20 standard and can be bought via coin exchanges for several purposes such as individual/company incentive schemes. For example, a company can buy x tokens from the exchange and distribute them amongst its employees for showing energy efficient behaviour that saved the company y amount on their energy bill.

Tokens can also be earned by individuals by implementing energy saving behaviour such as commuting via public transport, buying an electric vehicle or consuming less energy at home.

If an individual was to commute via public transport they would receive an amount of ETK for using a more energy efficient method of transport. If they purchase an electric car then the car manufacturer or the local authority would reward them with ETK for purchasing an energy efficient vehicle. If they consume less energy at home through behavioural change or more efficient appliances, they would be given ETK for showing energy efficient behaviour.

Ultimately the mechanism is designed to encourage energy efficient behaviour and as a by-product, the consumer will become more proficient in the energy industry, leading to more informed decisions being made. The tokens will have a market value and can therefore be exchanged for flat currency, or the consumer can choose to save the tokens and use them to pay for future energy bills and electric vehicle charging.

Energi Token has so far gone on to win at the ICOSummit Zurich and come in at 4th place at the d10e Conference on Kiev. We also have Lords Revesdale from the House of Lords on board (CEO of The Energy Managers Association) and are in talks with some of the biggest energy suppliers in the world alongside a major European city.

Please contact us for more information: www.energimine.com


Sounds interesting, I'll keep an eye out for that one

Have you read Energi’s short white paper?  They cite the main problem is:

Quote
“A small number of large energy companies supply millions of customers who are price takers.”

Therefore, the solution is to create more energy suppliers, especially nuclear power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity. But Energi does not propose to create another supplier. They propose to enable consumers to sell their self-generated electricity directly to other consumers.

This is a TINY market. To do this, consumers need to have BOTH solar panels and batteries. Though solar panels are growing, it is still a tiny percent of the market and solar generated electricity is still much more expensive than nuclear generated.

Consumers with solar panels do not have that much surplus electricity to sell anyways. They use most of what they generate. There is strong evidence of this. Tesla and Enphase hyped up their batteries for solar panel owners to store their surplus electricity. (Batteries are needed in order to sell your extra electricity.) These batteries are NOT selling. Enphase spent over $100 million to develop their battery and partly because of the lack of battery sales, their stock has plummeted approximately 85%.  Do your own research.

Energi shows a diagram of Current System where consumers sell their surplus electricity to the Supplier and the Supplier sells it to other consumers. Then Energi shows a diagram of their solution, where consumers sell electricity directly to each other, to bypass the Supplier (middleman). How will consumers be able to do this? Will consumers hook up wires from their houses to the other houses that want to buy from them? No consumer is going to do this.

Even if a few deranged consumers spend the thousands of dollars to do this, why do they need a new token? Why can't they use BTC, ETH, NEM, PIVX, DASH, etc.?

Then Energi tries to mislead you by telling you that

Quote
“Total global electricity consumption was 21,190 TWh (Terawatt hours) in 2016…Power traded globally is a market worth around $2 trillion per annum”.

But this is mostly nuclear and coal generated electricity and has nothing to do with consumers selling their solar, self-generated electricity.

Solar generated electricity is still more expensive than from the utility companies. The main reason people put up solar panels is because of government subsidies. If debt-ridden governments stop subsidizing, solar industry will crash. Think of Solyndra, which drained $535 million from taxpayers and still went bankrupt.

Energi cites this problem as well:

Quote
Lack of incentives to use less energy
Energy companies make money from selling more energy, so consumers are not incentivised to change behaviour.

This is so ridiculous, it’s essentially a lie. EVERY company in the world makes more money from selling more. This does not mean that consumers are not incentivised to change behavior.

Energi cites this problem as well:

Quote
Lack of competition
Barriers to entry are high, with complexity of regulation and costs of entry being the two main reasons for the monopolies operating in all major power markets globally.

That’s because it costs $9 billion to build another nuclear power plant. How will Energi lower this barrier? By creating a token? You’re a sucker if you believe this.

Energi’s team is in the UK. Does that make them experts on how the energy trading business works in the other 100 countries? To try to replace the existing businesses in all these countries will take hundreds of millions or billions of dollars and decades.

Spend 5 minutes to do some research and you'll find serious problems with most ICOs. Most of these white papers are so empty that it takes less time to read them than business plans.


Thanks for explaining man. I was at work when I read this on my phone so I didn't even do 5 seconds of research lol I just replied so I'd get a notification and I'd remember this.

Hello,

"They propose to enable consumers to sell their self-generated electricity directly to other consumers." this is but one aspect, we want the consumer to be able to purchase the energy via the trading floor but in a way that's easy to understand rather than going direct to the suppliers and paying whatever they charge.

Consumers don't need to hook up wires or anything, the platform is one in which the trade is done with through the generators themselves, making it a decentralised system where you can where you can make transactions that suit you rather than relying on the premiums of suppliers.

We are currently in talks with the largest energy supplier in the US and a few suppliers within the UK and Europe and are progressing in talks to make this a viable reality for consumers. We are also in talks with one of the largest cities in Europe who wants to trial the token. We are also in talks with some of the biggest energy regulators to try and make the energy sector a more secure place for consumers.  

Our CEO has over 15 years experience within the energy sector and has worked for some of the largest energy companies such as Vattenfall where he was dealing with over $4bn of energy. He has seen the way that energy companies work and they don't generally work for the public and we want this to change so that the consumers benefit as well.

At the moment the business itself deals with corporate clients to reduce energy costs and consumption using AI. The corporate companies understand how much they're saving by using trading methods rather than going to suppliers directly and we want to be able to bring this to the general consumer whereby they can take the benefits of being able to manage their own energy usage and prices.

I think reading the white paper yourself and doing some research would be beneficial as some people may only take away one single point rather than seeing the overall picture. The token is called EnergiToken and not Energi they are two completely different things.
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We currently use AI and blockchain technologies in the energy sector to reduce cost and consumption of electricity in global markets. We currently manage over $140million of energy and cover over 1,100 sites across Europe and are continuing our growth. Our overall model will lead to:

1. A reduction in global energy consumption
2. A reduction in retail energy prices
3. The creation of an eco-system, including a transparent peer-to-peer platform to trade energy

Energi Token (ETK) is the next step in our revolution of the energy sector. Traditional incentives to reduce consumption previously have not worked, and we feel that the reason for this is that consumers need to see the monetary value of their change in behaviour before they are likely to act upon this. Our token will offer incentives for a range of energy-efficient behaviour such as taking low-carbon transport and buying energy-efficient appliances. ETK can then be re-used in our eco-system to trade energy or charge your EV.

ETK is designed as a reward mechanism to encourage energy efficient behaviour from consumers and there are various ways in which these can be obtained through different methods which we have outlined below.

The tokens will be based on the Ethereum ERC-20 standard and can be bought via coin exchanges for several purposes such as individual/company incentive schemes. For example, a company can buy x tokens from the exchange and distribute them amongst its employees for showing energy efficient behaviour that saved the company y amount on their energy bill.

Tokens can also be earned by individuals by implementing energy saving behaviour such as commuting via public transport, buying an electric vehicle or consuming less energy at home.

If an individual was to commute via public transport they would receive an amount of ETK for using a more energy efficient method of transport. If they purchase an electric car then the car manufacturer or the local authority would reward them with ETK for purchasing an energy efficient vehicle. If they consume less energy at home through behavioural change or more efficient appliances, they would be given ETK for showing energy efficient behaviour.

Ultimately the mechanism is designed to encourage energy efficient behaviour and as a by-product, the consumer will become more proficient in the energy industry, leading to more informed decisions being made. The tokens will have a market value and can therefore be exchanged for flat currency, or the consumer can choose to save the tokens and use them to pay for future energy bills and electric vehicle charging.

Energi Token has so far gone on to win at the ICOSummit Zurich and come in at 4th place at the d10e Conference on Kiev. We also have Lords Revesdale from the House of Lords on board (CEO of The Energy Managers Association) and are in talks with some of the biggest energy suppliers in the world alongside a major European city.

Please contact us for more information: www.energimine.com


Sounds interesting, I'll keep an eye out for that one

Have you read Energi’s short white paper?  They cite the main problem is:

Quote
“A small number of large energy companies supply millions of customers who are price takers.”

Therefore, the solution is to create more energy suppliers, especially nuclear power plants, which is the cheapest source of electricity. But Energi does not propose to create another supplier. They propose to enable consumers to sell their self-generated electricity directly to other consumers.

This is a TINY market. To do this, consumers need to have BOTH solar panels and batteries. Though solar panels are growing, it is still a tiny percent of the market and solar generated electricity is still much more expensive than nuclear generated.

Consumers with solar panels do not have that much surplus electricity to sell anyways. They use most of what they generate. There is strong evidence of this. Tesla and Enphase hyped up their batteries for solar panel owners to store their surplus electricity. (Batteries are needed in order to sell your extra electricity.) These batteries are NOT selling. Enphase spent over $100 million to develop their battery and partly because of the lack of battery sales, their stock has plummeted approximately 85%.  Do your own research.

Energi shows a diagram of Current System where consumers sell their surplus electricity to the Supplier and the Supplier sells it to other consumers. Then Energi shows a diagram of their solution, where consumers sell electricity directly to each other, to bypass the Supplier (middleman). How will consumers be able to do this? Will consumers hook up wires from their houses to the other houses that want to buy from them? No consumer is going to do this.

Even if a few deranged consumers spend the thousands of dollars to do this, why do they need a new token? Why can't they use BTC, ETH, NEM, PIVX, DASH, etc.?

Then Energi tries to mislead you by telling you that

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“Total global electricity consumption was 21,190 TWh (Terawatt hours) in 2016…Power traded globally is a market worth around $2 trillion per annum”.

But this is mostly nuclear and coal generated electricity and has nothing to do with consumers selling their solar, self-generated electricity.

Solar generated electricity is still more expensive than from the utility companies. The main reason people put up solar panels is because of government subsidies. If debt-ridden governments stop subsidizing, solar industry will crash. Think of Solyndra, which drained $535 million from taxpayers and still went bankrupt.

Energi cites this problem as well:

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Lack of incentives to use less energy
Energy companies make money from selling more energy, so consumers are not incentivised to change behaviour.

This is so ridiculous, it’s essentially a lie. EVERY company in the world makes more money from selling more. This does not mean that consumers are not incentivised to change behavior.

Energi cites this problem as well:

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Lack of competition
Barriers to entry are high, with complexity of regulation and costs of entry being the two main reasons for the monopolies operating in all major power markets globally.

That’s because it costs $9 billion to build another nuclear power plant. How will Energi lower this barrier? By creating a token? You’re a sucker if you believe this.

Energi’s team is in the UK. Does that make them experts on how the energy trading business works in the other 100 countries? To try to replace the existing businesses in all these countries will take hundreds of millions or billions of dollars and decades.

Spend 5 minutes to do some research and you'll find serious problems with most ICOs. Most of these white papers are so empty that it takes less time to read them than business plans.


Thanks for explaining man. I was at work when I read this on my phone so I didn't even do 5 seconds of research lol I just replied so I'd get a notification and I'd remember this.

Hello,

"They propose to enable consumers to sell their self-generated electricity directly to other consumers." this is but one aspect, we want the consumer to be able to purchase the energy via the trading floor but in a way that's easy to understand rather than going direct to the suppliers and paying whatever they charge.

Consumers don't need to hook up wires or anything, the platform is one in which the trade is done with through the generators themselves, making it a decentralised system where you can where you can make transactions that suit you rather than relying on the premiums of suppliers.

We are currently in talks with the largest energy supplier in the US and a few suppliers within the UK and Europe and are progressing in talks to make this a viable reality for consumers. We are also in talks with one of the largest cities in Europe who wants to trial the token. We are also in talks with some of the biggest energy regulators to try and make the energy sector a more secure place for consumers.  

Our CEO has over 15 years experience within the energy sector and has worked for some of the largest energy companies such as Vattenfall where he was dealing with over $4bn of energy. He has seen the way that energy companies work and they don't generally work for the public and we want this to change so that the consumers benefit as well.

At the moment the business itself deals with corporate clients to reduce energy costs and consumption using AI. The corporate companies understand how much they're saving by using trading methods rather than going to suppliers directly and we want to be able to bring this to the general consumer whereby they can take the benefits of being able to manage their own energy usage and prices.

I think reading the white paper yourself and doing some research would be beneficial as some people may only take away one single point rather than seeing the overall picture. The token is called EnergiToken and not Energi they are two completely different things.

Every story has three sides, your side, my side, and the truth. I'll read the wp and decide for myself if I'd like to invest or not

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Yes dear a new best upcoming ICO

1.Root project.
Rocket project has great concept i think it's a good project. for a nonprofit institution and charity projects
A nonprofit powered by a very profitable cryptocurrency.

See here: https://www.rootproject.co
               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2048151.0

2. Spectre
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SPECTRE is the world's first broker-less trading platform

See here: https://spectre.ai
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One project which seems quite interesting to me is Ambrosus. does anyone have any study made on this one?

Ambrosus has very experienced team, probably the most experienced among ICOs. They have support in many countries around the world. There idea is very essential, but it'll take years to implement everything they plan. I'm sure that one day it'll be as big as Google or Apple, so I consider this as a very long investment. Buy and HODL and one day you'll become a millionaire.

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I like Zumminer (the set of tools for mining): here are understandable solutions, and adequate conditions for investors, and a strong team. And at least someone made a multi-currency wallet without any commission. I think that can invest reliably here.
Also Kappa.It is an ambitious project to record in the blockchain the whole history of mankind - a bomb, not a project)) I invested in order to be at least participant in this madness:)
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Yes dear a new best upcoming ICO

1.Root project.
Rocket project has great concept i think it's a good project. for a nonprofit institution and charity projects
A nonprofit powered by a very profitable cryptocurrency.

See here: https://www.rootproject.co
               https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2048151.0

2. Spectre
Speculative tokenized Trading Exchange
SPECTRE is the world's first broker-less trading platform

See here: https://spectre.ai
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